XxAxX said:

morningsong said:

You know as gross as that idea is to me now, I'd rather that then cloning animals for food. If there's got to be change in the future why not just skip the whole killing thing.

agree. although, the question of does that lump of meat feel pain? experience life in any way? would arise. still, better that than killing animals the way we do

Okay "author", Imma let you run with that one.

I mean we don't think individual body parts when removed from the whole go through any of that, feel pain, think for themselves.

morningsong said:

purplethunder3121 said:

Too brave for me...

I've really mulled it over and have decided that if humankind is going to move forward there will have to be changes and a lot of them I'm not going to like but many more will be far more beneficial in the long run. Every generation thinks it's generation is the best. Even in Solomon's time people that they were living in an ideal environment, I know I wouldn't want to give up my conviences to be living in that time of "purity".

Yeah, but do we have the wisdom of Solomon's time when he was asked who was one of two mothers who claimed a child and he said to "cut the child in half" and the real mother tried to give the child to the fake mother rather than have her child cut in half. She was given the child. Solomon, in the story, knew what he was doing. I fear our leaders now don't know who to give "the child" to and, worse, don't care.

morningsong said:

purplethunder3121 said:

Too brave for me...

I've really mulled it over and have decided that if humankind is going to move forward there will have to be changes and a lot of them I'm not going to like but many more will be far more beneficial in the long run. Every generation thinks it's generation is the best. Even in Solomon's time people that they were living in an ideal environment, I know I wouldn't want to give up my conviences to be living in that time of "purity".

i agree. serious population control must (imo) be the foundation of that future. there will be twice as many humans using the same limited resources of planet earth in 2050.

the idea that just anybody can have children has to be modified, i'm afraid. not everyone should be allowed to reproduce (history of violence, abuse, psychopathic personality disorders etc.), nor should folks be allowed to bring twenty children into a crowded world.

then again, who makes the decision about who can breed? it's going to be nightmare complicated when push comes to shove.

unless, of course, another pandemic reduces our numbers to one fifth, at which point future generations could actually benefit from the technology available and maybe, just maybe turn things around.

otherwise, this planet is doomed and we along with it. we are bacteria outgrowing our petri dish....

debbie downer here saying sorry, folks. happy thoughts everybody! happy thoughts!!

XxAxX said:

morningsong said:

I've really mulled it over and have decided that if humankind is going to move forward there will have to be changes and a lot of them I'm not going to like but many more will be far more beneficial in the long run. Every generation thinks it's generation is the best. Even in Solomon's time people that they were living in an ideal environment, I know I wouldn't want to give up my conviences to be living in that time of "purity".

i agree. serious population control must (imo) be the foundation of that future. there will be twice as many humans using the same limited resources of planet earth in 2050.

the idea that just anybody can have children has to be modified, i'm afraid. not everyone should be allowed to reproduce (history of violence, abuse, psychopathic personality disorders etc.), nor should folks be allowed to bring twenty children into a crowded world.

then again, who makes the decision about who can breed? it's going to be nightmare complicated when push comes to shove.

unless, of course, another pandemic reduces our numbers to one fifth, at which point future generations could actually benefit from the technology available and maybe, just maybe turn things around.

otherwise, this planet is doomed and we along with it. we are bacteria outgrowing our petri dish....

debbie downer here saying sorry, folks. happy thoughts everybody! happy thoughts!!

Well, then my son and/or his desnedants will just have to do what they did in Gattaca! Thanks for reminding me of the movie title, morning!

morningsong said:

XxAxX said:

agree. although, the question of does that lump of meat feel pain? experience life in any way? would arise. still, better that than killing animals the way we do

Okay "author", Imma let you run with that one.

I mean we don't think individual body parts when removed from the whole go through any of that, feel pain, think for themselves.

okay rough outline: lump of flesh has rudimentary sentience and the unexpected ability to mutate, given the process involved in its creation. and upon consumption becomes a mind-control parasitical life form that turns the tables and slowly eats the human from the inside out, growing into a kind of replica of said human, but with some shocking new, and highly undesirable, qualities.

working title: soylent gross

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XxAxX said:

morningsong said:

Okay "author", Imma let you run with that one.

I mean we don't think individual body parts when removed from the whole go through any of that, feel pain, think for themselves.

okay rough outline: lump of flesh has rudimentary sentience and the unexpected ability to mutate, given the process involved in its creation. and upon consumption becomes a mind-control parasitical life form that turns the tables and slowly eats the human from the inside out, growing into a kind of replica of said human, but with some shocking new, and highly undesirable, qualities.

it's not that far-fetched; consider that there are lots of species which are literally 'zombie mind control' parasites. if said lump of flesh were to be created using a genetically related form of any of those parasitical life forms, the end result could be? soylent green meets jurassic park?

http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20150316-ten-parasites-that-control-minds

sorry. bit off-topic. i do think it's cool that three parents could combine their best qualities to make a disease free baby.

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purplethunder3121 said:

morningsong said:

I've really mulled it over and have decided that if humankind is going to move forward there will have to be changes and a lot of them I'm not going to like but many more will be far more beneficial in the long run. Every generation thinks it's generation is the best. Even in Solomon's time people that they were living in an ideal environment, I know I wouldn't want to give up my conviences to be living in that time of "purity".

Yeah, but do we have the wisdom of Solomon's time when he was asked who was one of two mothers who claimed a child and he said to "cut the child in half" and the real mother tried to give the child to the fake mother rather than have her child cut in half. She was given the child. Solomon, in the story, knew what he was doing. I fear our leaders now don't know who to give "the child" to and, worse, don't care.

Well Solomon was the one with the wisdom, so I'm sure there's a couple of folks around today that have wisdom "we" just have to be opened to it. I think the fact that we have open information is a good thing, we have some idea what's going as opposed to the past where decisions were made and "we" were none-the-wiser, but there's been a price to pay for it.

purplethunder3121 said:

XxAxX said:

okay rough outline: lump of flesh has rudimentary sentience and the unexpected ability to mutate, given the process involved in its creation. and upon consumption becomes a mind-control parasitical life form that turns the tables and slowly eats the human from the inside out, growing into a kind of replica of said human, but with some shocking new, and highly undesirable, qualities.

Imma have to let that generation deal with that problem when it arises.

morningsong said:

purplethunder3121 said:

Yeah, but do we have the wisdom of Solomon's time when he was asked who was one of two mothers who claimed a child and he said to "cut the child in half" and the real mother tried to give the child to the fake mother rather than have her child cut in half. She was given the child. Solomon, in the story, knew what he was doing. I fear our leaders now don't know who to give "the child" to and, worse, don't care.

Well Solomon was the one with the wisdom, so I'm sure there's a couple of folks around today that have wisdom "we" just have to be opened to it. I think the fact that we have open information is a good thing, we have some idea what's going as opposed to the past where decisions were made and "we" were none-the-wiser, but there's been a price to pay for it.

i think there are a lot of people who are wise, but unfortunately the people who seek power usually are not of that ilk.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kellyclay/2013/01/05/the-top-10-jobs-that-attract-psychopaths/#b58dfd14d80d

So what jobs are most attractive to psychopaths? Here's the list, originally published online by Eric Barker:

1. CEO (presidential candidates, anyone?)

2. Lawyer (presidential candidates, anyone?)

3. Media (Television/Radio)

4. Salesperson

5. Surgeon

6. Journalist

7. Police officer

8. Clergy person

9. Chef

10. Civil servant

XxAxX said:

morningsong said:

Well Solomon was the one with the wisdom, so I'm sure there's a couple of folks around today that have wisdom "we" just have to be opened to it. I think the fact that we have open information is a good thing, we have some idea what's going as opposed to the past where decisions were made and "we" were none-the-wiser, but there's been a price to pay for it.

i think there are a lot of people who are wise, but unfortunately the people who seek power usually are not of that ilk.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kellyclay/2013/01/05/the-top-10-jobs-that-attract-psychopaths/#b58dfd14d80d

So what jobs are most attractive to psychopaths? Here's the list, originally published online by Eric Barker:

1. CEO (presidential candidates, anyone?)

2. Lawyer (presidential candidates, anyone?)

3. Media (Television/Radio)

4. Salesperson

5. Surgeon

6. Journalist

7. Police officer

8. Clergy person

9. Chef

10. Civil servant

It ain't over for us yet. See now, that limit thing makes sense now. There are no kings in this neck of the woods.

morningsong said:

XxAxX said:

i think there are a lot of people who are wise, but unfortunately the people who seek power usually are not of that ilk.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kellyclay/2013/01/05/the-top-10-jobs-that-attract-psychopaths/#b58dfd14d80d

So what jobs are most attractive to psychopaths? Here's the list, originally published online by Eric Barker:

1. CEO (presidential candidates, anyone?)

2. Lawyer (presidential candidates, anyone?)

3. Media (Television/Radio)

4. Salesperson

5. Surgeon

6. Journalist

7. Police officer

8. Clergy person

9. Chef

10. Civil servant

It ain't over for us yet. See now, that limit thing makes sense now. There are no kings in this neck of the woods.

right you are! never give up hope. never stop moving forward

XxAxX said:

morningsong said:

It ain't over for us yet. See now, that limit thing makes sense now. There are no kings in this neck of the woods.

right you are! never give up hope. never stop moving forward

3-1/2 years from now voter turn out will be amazing.

morningsong said:

XxAxX said:

right you are! never give up hope. never stop moving forward

3-1/2 years from now voter turn out will be amazing.

One can only hope!!!

purplethunder3121 said:

morningsong said:

3-1/2 years from now voter turn out will be amazing.

One can only hope!!!

if the GOP hasn't removed all forms of democracy from the people, such as the right to vote! wait! i know!!!! in the 3.5 intervening years we will clone ourselves, so that each one of us has a zillion votes!! yessss! wwhat coulld ppossibly go wrrongg?

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XxAxX said:

purplethunder3121 said:

One can only hope!!!

if the GOP hasn't removed all forms of democracy from the people, such as the right to vote! wait! i know!!!! in the 3.5 intervening years we will clone ourselves, so that each one of us has a zillion votes!! yessss! what could ppossibly go wrong?

[Edited 3/16/17 19:00pm]

Hmm, reminders of "1984"...

purplethunder3121 said:

XxAxX said:

if the GOP hasn't removed all forms of democracy from the people, such as the right to vote! wait! i know!!!! in the 3.5 intervening years we will clone ourselves, so that each one of us has a zillion votes!! yessss! what could ppossibly go wrong?

[Edited 3/16/17 19:00pm]

Hmm, reminders of "1984"...

You all have devolved my thread into talking about Trump.

purplethunder3121 said:

XxAxX said:

if the GOP hasn't removed all forms of democracy from the people, such as the right to vote! wait! i know!!!! in the 3.5 intervening years we will clone ourselves, so that each one of us has a zillion votes!! yessss! what could ppossibly go wrong?

[Edited 3/16/17 19:00pm]

Hmm, reminders of "1984"...

foolproof plan. alternatively, we could clone trump secretly, then unleash dozens of him on the world, creating mass confusion and doubt. naturally, the trump clones would bicker amongst themselves and be too busy to throw shade at dissenters on twitter and rival politicians. problem solved.

XxAxX said:

purplethunder3121 said:

One can only hope!!!

if the GOP hasn't removed all forms of democracy from the people, such as the right to vote! wait! i know!!!! in the 3.5 intervening years we will clone ourselves, so that each one of us has a zillion votes!! yessss! wwhat coulld ppossibly go wrrongg?

[Edited 3/16/17 19:01pm]

yet it has been DEMs in 3 of the last 5 elections saying the results were fake! LOL

XxAxX said:

purplethunder3121 said:

Hmm, reminders of "1984"...

foolproof plan. alternatively, we could clone trump secretly, then unleash dozens of him on the world, creating mass confusion and doubt. naturally, the trump clones would bicker amongst themselves and be too busy to throw shade at dissenters on twitter and rival politicians. problem solved.

It could be the plan like in the movie Boys From Brazil! Oops, it ended like this though:

purplethunder3121 said:

XxAxX said:

foolproof plan. alternatively, we could clone trump secretly, then unleash dozens of him on the world, creating mass confusion and doubt. naturally, the trump clones would bicker amongst themselves and be too busy to throw shade at dissenters on twitter and rival politicians. problem solved.

It could be the plan like in the movie Boys From Brazil! Oops, it ended like this though:

Being fed to the dogs?

those dogs look hangry. let's not clone them

XxAxX said:

XxAxX said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

morningsong said:

XxAxX said:

i agree. serious population control must (imo) be the foundation of that future. there will be twice as many humans using the same limited resources of planet earth in 2050.

the idea that just anybody can have children has to be modified, i'm afraid. not everyone should be allowed to reproduce (history of violence, abuse, psychopathic personality disorders etc.), nor should folks be allowed to bring twenty children into a crowded world.

then again, who makes the decision about who can breed? it's going to be nightmare complicated when push comes to shove.

unless, of course, another pandemic reduces our numbers to one fifth, at which point future generations could actually benefit from the technology available and maybe, just maybe turn things around.

otherwise, this planet is doomed and we along with it. we are bacteria outgrowing our petri dish....

debbie downer here saying sorry, folks. happy thoughts everybody! happy thoughts!!

Now see I'm confused about the whole population issue. All my life I've heard about population problems. Then I hear things from Ray Kurzweil who says that the entire current population of the world could live in Texas quite comfortably. I can't wrap my head around that.

it isn't the amount of physical space we occupy, it's the resources we use to keep up our way of life. the amount of waste we generate individually, causing things like floating garbage piles in the ocean and the florida gulf dead zone. it's the pesticide-linked death blow to the bumblebees, the antibiotics we piss into the waterways that affect the entire food chain, it's the fact that people eat meat which requires so much acreage to raise, it's the forests we've decimated to make toilet paper, or farmland to raise cows, fresh water sources made foul by industrial waste, all the little things which each human being requires for his or her way of life cumulatively adversely affecting the envirinment.

nicola tesla did invent free, clean energy sources, but j.p. morgan wanted people to pay for their electricity so he stifled those designs.

basically, it's because humans are sort of stupid and short lived and destructive to the natural world. not to mention we're better off in fewer numbers because we also do not get along with each other very well and frequently war with each other, causing environmentally tragic consequences....

fewer humans means less demand on limited planetary resources, greater integrity of the web of life here that supports us

hi...

i haven't read any of this...

so my joke for now is.... wait for it...

GOD N GOVERNMENT!!!

(shit... now imma end up in p&r)

KingBAD said:

XxAxX said:

morningsong said:

KingBAD said:

hi...

i haven't read any of this...

so my joke for now is.... wait for it...

GOD N GOVERNMENT!!!

(shit... now imma end up in p&r)

You evooool.

yet no one paid attention.

what i gotta do???