No matter what Jude Law plays in he goes all in. Jude is a Brilliant Actor and he does not get enough Silver Screen roles these days...

I watched the first 3 Episodes of HBO's The Young Pope and I was bored out of my mind...Jude threw-down as the Lead Actor, The Legendary Diane Keaton held her own as a supporting Player but the Writers could not come up with a plot to keep the viewers attention...I tried to like it but there was nothing there to like about the Drama...

Jude plays a Straight-Pope looking down on a closeted Pope...Who wants to see that?...The viewers want to be entertained..We want to see the Elder Nun and Elder Cardinal shacking up or something. Watching two 70yr olds use Cuss words, drink Booze and Smoke Cigs is so PG... Make Jude Bisexual and throw in a secret affair with a Black, Latino, Asian or Albino Pastor...GIVE us Something juicy and Raunchy!!! Instead they give us many scenes of Jude sitting at a damn Desk being a Man-Bitch and throwing Shade at Men of the Cloth who are old enough to be his Gramps...BORING....

I deleted all 10 episodes....Surprisingly enough, HBO renewed the Show for a 2nd Season....

I've only seen the first episode but I found myself doing something else around the house in the middle of it, so I'd planned on re-watching it again but haven't been motivated to do so. I guess I didn't find it that interesting. But I'm still willing to give it a chance.

Sounds like a new show on the CW

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I snagged it when it aired in the UK, but eventually just watched it on HBO. It's so beyond a CW show, btw.

The ending had me messed up for a minute until I realized it'd been renewed for a second series/season. I still don't quite get him as a character. Is he mean-spirited, or just really strict? Does he believe in God, or not? He says he doesn't, but yet prays and things happen when he does.

There are only two things that bother me about the show. The really, really old cardinal, and the mole on the other one's cheek. I am not Catholic. I didn't sign up for this suffering! haha

Chancellor said:

No matter what Jude Law plays in he goes all in. Jude is a Brilliant Actor and he does not get enough Silver Screen roles these days...
I deleted all 10 episodes....Surprisingly enough, HBO renewed the Show for a 2nd Season....

Addendum to my other post: I do love Jude Law. I loved him in Wilde, and one of my all time favorite movies Music From Another Room. Sky TV produced the show originally, and it's them (I believe) who renewed it for a second season, not HBO. HBO just got the US airing rights.

morningsong said:

They're really pushing for it to succeed. It's on all the time. I haven't watched it I just noticed no matter when I'm flipping thru it's always on.

Well, we know that cable stations rerun the crap out of a show. However, they really put out the show in quick order. They were airing new episodes on Sunday and Monday nights, so in about 5 weeks the whole series aired. I'm not sure if they were trying to beat the need to download (probably failed), or just make a small pocket for it, especially with regular shows like Girls, Big Little Lies, and Crashing taking up the Sunday prime time slots.

TrivialPursuit said:

I snagged it when it aired in the UK, but eventually just watched it on HBO. It's so beyond a CW show, btw.

The ending had me messed up for a minute until I realized it'd been renewed for a second series/season. I still don't quite get him as a character. Is he mean-spirited, or just really strict? Does he believe in God, or not? He says he doesn't, but yet prays and things happen when he does.

There are only two things that bother me about the show. The really, really old cardinal, and the mole on the other one's cheek. I am not Catholic. I didn't sign up for this suffering! haha

Yes, it's nothing like the CW shows at all.

At first Pope Pius came across as Donald Trump-the Pope, but he was slowly given much more depth than that. I thought it ended quite well even with the cliffhanger.

It's beautifully filmed too. I loved director Paolo Sorrentino's last two movies, The Great Beauty and Youth so I was sold before the premiere even aired.

TrivialPursuit said:

I snagged it when it aired in the UK, but eventually just watched it on HBO. It's so beyond a CW show, btw.

The ending had me messed up for a minute until I realized it'd been renewed for a second series/season. I still don't quite get him as a character. Is he mean-spirited, or just really strict? Does he believe in God, or not? He says he doesn't, but yet prays and things happen when he does.

There are only two things that bother me about the show. The really, really old cardinal, and the mole on the other one's cheek. I am not Catholic. I didn't sign up for this suffering! haha

Just the title

sexton said:

At first Pope Pius came across as Donald Trump-the Pope, but he was slowly given much more depth than that. I thought it ended quite well even with the cliffhanger.

It's beautifully filmed too. I loved director Paolo Sorrentino's last two movies, The Great Beauty and Youth so I was sold before the premiere even aired.

It was originally supposed to be a short series, which is why the ending makes sense. But after ordering a second series, they'll obviously have to change the obvious of what happened.

I agree with the filming. There is some CGI in the overhead crowd shots, but other stuff is so well framed and shot. I just watched Youth a few weeks ago during a free Showtime preview. I enjoyed it.

morningsong said:

They're really pushing for it to succeed. It's on all the time. I haven't watched it I just noticed no matter when I'm flipping thru it's always on.

I knew The Young Pope was gonna be a sleeper when HBO RUSHED to air all 10 episodes in one month...I noticed my DVR recording it twice in one week...They would Air a New episode on Sunday night then the next episode on Monday night..HBO did that every week for 5 weeks....

HBO would NEVER-EVER air 2 new Episodes of Game of Thrones in the same week...

missfee said:

I've only seen the first episode but I found myself doing something else around the house in the middle of it, so I'd planned on re-watching it again but haven't been motivated to do so. I guess I didn't find it that interesting. But I'm still willing to give it a chance.

If you decide to binge watch all 10 episodes don't hold your breath waiting for Excitement, don't wait for the Mob to shoot up the church or anything like that...I lasted 3 episodes and all The Young Pope delivered on was a lot of Shade & Nasty azz Bitch....His azz took advantage of those Old Church Men that walk with canes...

Love this show, and this director/filmmaker is just rising (even though I didn't care about his last movie)!

This show is all about passionate filmmaking. To the extreme. Expressive and sometimes abstracted moments that you can't really put into words.

Those other shows are just regular series with regular plots and characters mostly shot conventionally. This is something very different.

ufoclub said:

Love this show, and this director/filmmaker is just rising (even though I didn't care about his last movie)!

This show is all about passionate filmmaking. To the extreme. Expressive and sometimes abstracted moments that you can't really put into words.

Those other shows are just regular series with regular plots and characters mostly shot conventionally. This is something very different.

I would fully agree. There is something very purposeful about how the show is shot. The length of the shots, the framing, the angles.

It reminds me a bit of how Prince talked about Joni teaching him the importance of silence in a song; that even those moments are just as musical as the notes. There are 'silent' moments in the series that perhaps a network like CW or Fox wouldn't take the time to shoot and edit that way.

The plus of a cable or streaming series is there are no commercials, and there is time to shoot things more artistically and deliberately.

Chancellor said:

morningsong said:

They're really pushing for it to succeed. It's on all the time. I haven't watched it I just noticed no matter when I'm flipping thru it's always on.

I knew The Young Pope was gonna be a sleeper when HBO RUSHED to air all 10 episodes in one month...I noticed my DVR recording it twice in one week...They would Air a New episode on Sunday night then the next episode on Monday night..HBO did that every week for 5 weeks....

HBO would NEVER-EVER air 2 new Episodes of Game of Thrones in the same week...

HBO's strategy in 2017 is to fill enough TV space to retain subscribers between seasons of Game of Thrones.

The format is not all that new. They aired In Treatment (one of the best shows ever aired on the network) 3-4 times a week.

As for the show, it's frustrating, slow, annoying, powerful, surprising and at times inspiring. As a Catholic who has made pilgrimages to Vatican City, I found the show fascinating. This is my favorite Jude Law performance. The doctrinal debates between Pope Pius and his mentor were fascinating.

So many of the acting performances the international cast were first rate. I wouldn't be surprised to see some Golden Globes noms come its way next winter.

I'd love to see Pope Pius XIII cross paths with President Frank Underwood. That would be a dream TV crossover.

namepeace said:

HBO's strategy in 2017 is to fill enough TV space to retain subscribers between seasons of Game of Thrones.

The format is not all that new. They aired In Treatment (one of the best shows ever aired on the network) 3-4 times a week.

As for the show, it's frustrating, slow, annoying, powerful, surprising and at times inspiring. As a Catholic who has made pilgrimages to Vatican City, I found the show fascinating. This is my favorite Jude Law performance. The doctrinal debates between Pope Pius and his mentor were fascinating.

So many of the acting performances the international cast were first rate. I wouldn't be surprised to see some Golden Globes noms come its way next winter.

I'd love to see Pope Pius XIII cross paths with President Frank Underwood. That would be a dream TV crossover.

Jude has not been nominated for any mainstream Awards in a long time. The Emmys, Golden Globes, SAGS & People's Choice Awards will nominate him and request his presence...

namepeace said:

Chancellor said:

I knew The Young Pope was gonna be a sleeper when HBO RUSHED to air all 10 episodes in one month...I noticed my DVR recording it twice in one week...They would Air a New episode on Sunday night then the next episode on Monday night..HBO did that every week for 5 weeks....

HBO would NEVER-EVER air 2 new Episodes of Game of Thrones in the same week...

HBO's strategy in 2017 is to fill enough TV space to retain subscribers between seasons of Game of Thrones.

The format is not all that new. They aired In Treatment (one of the best shows ever aired on the network) 3-4 times a week.

As for the show, it's frustrating, slow, annoying, powerful, surprising and at times inspiring. As a Catholic who has made pilgrimages to Vatican City, I found the show fascinating. This is my favorite Jude Law performance. The doctrinal debates between Pope Pius and his mentor were fascinating.

So many of the acting performances the international cast were first rate. I wouldn't be surprised to see some Golden Globes noms come its way next winter.

I'd love to see Pope Pius XIII cross paths with President Frank Underwood. That would be a dream TV crossover.

But GoT is going away either this season or next season, so they better find another hook for viewers soon. Personally, Catholic Church drama isn't appealing to me, there's enough of that already. The best I did were both Borgia series but never finished either of them when they got too freaky with dad and brother wanting to get up in the daughter/sister and that took center stage.

morningsong said:

But GoT is going away either this season or next season, so they better find another hook for viewers soon.

Indeed.

Personally, Catholic Church drama isn't appealing to me, there's enough of that already.

The history of the Church is often stranger than fiction.

The best I did were both Borgia series but never finished either of them when they got too freaky with dad and brother wanting to get up in the daughter/sister and that took center stage.

The Borgias was soapier than dishwater. So I hear you on that.

namepeace said:

The Borgias was soapier than dishwater. So I hear you on that.

It was fun at first seeing the different takes on the same person, and even getting some insight on the history, then it went off the rails into the accusations and got desparate.

Now I got Prince's song Pope stuck in my head now

Chancellor said:

No matter what Jude Law plays in he goes all in. Jude is a Brilliant Actor and he does not get enough Silver Screen roles these days...

I watched the first 3 Episodes of HBO's The Young Pope and I was bored out of my mind...Jude threw-down as the Lead Actor, The Legendary Diane Keaton held her own as a supporting Player but the Writers could not come up with a plot to keep the viewers attention...I tried to like it but there was nothing there to like about the Drama...

Jude plays a Straight-Pope looking down on a closeted Pope...Who wants to see that?...The viewers want to be entertained..We want to see the Elder Nun and Elder Cardinal shacking up or something. Watching two 70yr olds use Cuss words, drink Booze and Smoke Cigs is so PG... Make Jude Bisexual and throw in a secret affair with a Black, Latino, Asian or Albino Pastor...GIVE us Something juicy and Raunchy!!! Instead they give us many scenes of Jude sitting at a damn Desk being a Man-Bitch and throwing Shade at Men of the Cloth who are old enough to be his Gramps...BORING....

I deleted all 10 episodes....Surprisingly enough, HBO renewed the Show for a 2nd Season....

Sounds like a waste of talent.

purplethunder3121 said:

Chancellor said:

No matter what Jude Law plays in he goes all in. Jude is a Brilliant Actor and he does not get enough Silver Screen roles these days...

I watched the first 3 Episodes of HBO's The Young Pope and I was bored out of my mind...Jude threw-down as the Lead Actor, The Legendary Diane Keaton held her own as a supporting Player but the Writers could not come up with a plot to keep the viewers attention...I tried to like it but there was nothing there to like about the Drama...

Jude plays a Straight-Pope looking down on a closeted Pope...Who wants to see that?...The viewers want to be entertained..We want to see the Elder Nun and Elder Cardinal shacking up or something. Watching two 70yr olds use Cuss words, drink Booze and Smoke Cigs is so PG... Make Jude Bisexual and throw in a secret affair with a Black, Latino, Asian or Albino Pastor...GIVE us Something juicy and Raunchy!!! Instead they give us many scenes of Jude sitting at a damn Desk being a Man-Bitch and throwing Shade at Men of the Cloth who are old enough to be his Gramps...BORING....

I deleted all 10 episodes....Surprisingly enough, HBO renewed the Show for a 2nd Season....

Sounds like a waste of talent.

Everyone on this thread who watched the entire season said it was very good.

sexton said:

Everyone on this thread who watched the entire season said it was very good.

I just looked at your Original post in this thread and you NEVER said The Young Pope was Good or deserved a 2nd Season...You simply said the Drama was beautifully filmed...

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morningsong said:

namepeace said:

It was fun at first seeing the different takes on the same person, and even getting some insight on the history, then it went off the rails into the accusations and got desparate.

True. It veered off course and was cancelled before it could resolve itself.

Atheists think this is typical Christianity:

I'd kill that Pope.

Popes Gone Wild: What the Catholic Church Would Rather You Forget

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Pope Alexander VI

The man pictured above is the poster boy for Catholic debauchery. His name was Pope Alexander VI. He wasn't the first, nor the last, of a string of simply sinful popes. In fact if he had a trading card the back might read something like this:

"Achievements: Successfully started the world's first recorded crime family, sired at least four bastard children, hosted orgies within the walls of the Vatican, and shunned the poor in favor of flamboyant decadence.

Good Qualities: Severe loyalty to kith and kin (even to the point of almost plunging Italy into all out war just so his bastard children could have the life he wanted for them. Awe.)

Scandals: Still being accused of breaking up his daughter's marriage in favor if an incestuous relationship with himself, whispered to be involved in a few choice assassinations, and oh yes, there was that whole mistress and string of wild Vatican orgy parties...

God's Judgment: Death by slow intestinal bleeding."

Charming guy that pope Alexander VI. Rumor has it his entire bastard clan were murderous and drunk on power. And so the love spread, long after his death. Just the fact he wasn't stabbed or poisoned is a small miracle in itself. I'm just using him to illustrate a point. The papacy is full of scandals, rife for the pages of Catholic Inquirer.

More Papal Oopsies

• Pope Stephen VI was probably the perpetrator of the most bizarre event in papal history. After being elected to be pope he had his predecessor exhumed from his grave, brought into court, and tried for various crimes. The corpse was unsurprisingly found guilty as sin and his three blessing fingers were hacked off as punishment. He was then reburied before he was dug up once again in order to be thrown into the Tiber. Forgiveness anyone?
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• Pope John XII didn't even have a good start. He was said to have been born to a fourteen year old mother, sired by a man who was both his father and grandfather. Never one to shun tradition he continued this Oedipal cycle of dysfunction and also took his mother on as a lover. He was only eighteen when he became pope and only twenty-seven when he left it, by way of death. Rumor has it he was murdered during a jealous rage when the husband of one of his mistresses walked in on them in bed. This would indeed be a fitting end to a pope who was such a womanizer he was have said to have violated virgins and widows alike and had so many women filing in and out of the Vatican that everyone said it had been turned into a brothel. Sex wasn't his only downfall though; he was rumored to have murdered several people and was fond of hacking off his enemies limbs. Far from being a saint I think this pope was trying to reach a new record of depravity.
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• Pope Benedict IX: Depending on what sources you believe Pope Benedict IX was given the papacy anywhere between eleven and twenty years of age. St. Peter Damian accused him of routinely screwing other men and his four legged friends amongst other crimes. Apparently that wasn't even scratching the surface when it came to grievances thrust into his direction. Bishop Benno of Piacenza accused him of committing, "many vile adulteries and murders." He was also accused of rape and murder by his eventual successor before he decided to be the first and only pope to bring the free market to the papacy, selling his position to his Godfather John Gratian.
• Pope Boniface VIII decided to take the free market a bit further and was accused of simony (that's accepting cash for appointing religious positions) in Dante's infamous Divine Comedy. Though he was alive at the time he showed an uncharacteristic apathy and didn't order Dante tortured, maimed, or killed. Lucky Dante!
• Pope Urban II cowed France into attacking the Muslim world, throwing the region into five hundred years of religious warfare, which as you can see by the current day turned out remarkably well...
• Pope Urban VI is best remembered for his gratuitously violent nature. Like any true psychopath he was said to have complained when his enemies didn't "scream loud enough" under torture. God apparently likes screaming more then He likes hymns.
• Pope John XXII was the first to persecute "witches." Although he was the richest man in the entire world at the time he was still not happy with his lot in life. He deemed that all the "witches" and "heretics" could be accused after death and that all their land should be seized.

• Pope Sixtus IV authorized the Spanish Inquisition and all it's various forms of torture to gently convince the Jews, Moors, and Heretics that Catholic love and compassion were the way to God. While all this was going on it's rumored that Pope Sixtus IV was busy fathering children with his eldest sister and carrying on several bisexual relationships. Not surprisingly he was also said to have suffered from syphilis. God's wrath? Maybe for him.

• Pope Gregory XII burned John Huss of Bohemia at the stake after declaring his safety from such a fate. His crime? He spoke out against papal corruption. The pope's response? "When dealing with heretics, one is not obligated to keep his word."
• Pope John XXIII reigned for five years (1410-1415) before he pissed off so many other Catholics that he was striped of his title and declared anti-pope. So what was so bad about this mobsteresque pope? For one he decided to terrorize the students at the University of Bologna by demanding they pay a price to be protected from violent thugs who just happened to be under his order. That's not what earned him his anti-pope title though, that had to be credited to the accusations of murder, rape, sodomy, incest, and piracy.
• Pope Urban XIII struck up a friendship with a young Galileo which is probably what spared his life later on when the pope tried him for heresy. Galileo was sentenced to life imprisonment which was later changed into house arrest. He died nine years later still under house arrest for claiming that a spherical earth revolved around the sun. This decree of heresy was not lifted until 350 years later.
• Pius XII reputation comes from his lack of action rather then from anything he did personally. He was the pope during Hitler's reign of terror and didn't so much as speak one direct harsh word about the man who was slaughtering millions. Hitler was Catholic after all and never antagonized the papacy (which is apparently the one way to get excommunicated.) His continuing refusal to say anything against the Nazi party lasted throughout the war with lame excuses being put forth behind the reasoning as to why this was. He claimed he would not decry any individual atrocities publicly and when faced with the Holocaust he merely claimed there wasn't enough evidence it was actually happening. Perhaps he was afraid of pissing off a people who could easily kill him. But then again, for someone who is supposed to be the closest man to God his moral senses should have outweighed any thought of self-preservation. After all Jesus didn't seem particularly keen on pussyfooting around the corrupt people of his era. Catholicism and Christianity love martyrs!
• Pope John Paul II Publicly condemned all forms of birth control and gay marriage, his only reaction to the pedophile priest scandals was merely to issue a feeble apology for 2000 years worth of pedophile church swapping, record burying, and secret payoffs to families for not denouncing the church publicly. He never condemned the behavior and only started defrocking priests when the masses started to put intense pressure on him to do so. Even so not that many priests were let go compared to what are likely out there. Apparently pedophilia is a more forgivable sin then birth control.
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• Pope Benedict XVI - Our current pope was in all the papers when the media realized he was part of the Hitler Youth. Now I get comments like, "That wasn't a voluntary position" but that just doesn't cut it when you're talking about the man who is supposed to be closest to God. If he were really that holy he would have been a martyr, not a pope.

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