Star Wars: The Last Jedi

http://www.starwars.com/n...i-revealed


I do not like it... because 1 I breaks the 2nd title pattern... and 2) the reuse of the "Jedi!


I guess since I do not like it I will only see it 3 times...okay maybe 5.

And my plan is to NOT see any trailers!

What exactly is the second title pattern?

KoolEaze said:

What exactly is the second title pattern?

Attack (a Strike) of the Clones (Empire)

The Empire (clones) Strike (attack) Back

Hmm . . .

You would think "last Jedi" refers to Luke, but that would be too obvious. So, I'm guessing that
Luke dies in the second installment and Rey (Kenobi) is actually the last Jedi. The third installment
will feature Luke doing that Force astral projection thing Obi-Wan and others do.

The last Jedi title hid a HUGE swerve.

Return of the Jedi was not (just) about Luke's return, as we likely presumed before the premiere, but Anakin's return.

The Last Jedi may not be just about Luke, but Rey? Or, perhaps, Ben?

namepeace said:

Dasein said:

Hmm . . .

You would think "last Jedi" refers to Luke, but that would be too obvious. So, I'm guessing that
Luke dies in the second installment and Rey (Kenobi) is actually the last Jedi. The third installment
will feature Luke doing that Force astral projection thing Obi-Wan and others do.

remember what Yoda said "the last of the Jedi will you be" But yeah it could be a misdirect. I have New Hope I can resist watching any of the previews or reading any (or many) actual spoilers. (if the media is as reckless as they were for Rogue One where they had some minor spoiler in the title of their article... )


anyway, it is very possible the last Jedi could be someone other than Luke Mark has said he saw himself as there to hand over "Excalibur" to the next generation.

so Star Wars is in red letters: that may be a hint as to who the Last Jedi is! So Could very well be Ben!

Goddess4Real said:

namepeace said:

The last Jedi title hid a HUGE swerve.

Return of the Jedi was not (just) about Luke's return, as we likely presumed before the premiere, but Anakin's return.

The Last Jedi may not be just about Luke, but Rey? Or, perhaps, Ben?

Maybe its about Rey and her true identity?

That's a good guess as well.

But if VIII is in line with its original trilogy counterpart, V, then there is a HUGE twist waiting for us.

Which is why I think Ben is going to be involved.

oh boy

don't like it

it has been used and highlighted over the course of 20+ years already

It's alright

OnlyNDaUsa said:

Dasein said:

Hmm . . .

You would think "last Jedi" refers to Luke, but that would be too obvious. So, I'm guessing that
Luke dies in the second installment and Rey (Kenobi) is actually the last Jedi. The third installment
will feature Luke doing that Force astral projection thing Obi-Wan and others do.

remember what Yoda said "the last of the Jedi will you be" But yeah it could be a misdirect. I have New Hope I can resist watching any of the previews or reading any (or many) actual spoilers. (if the media is as reckless as they were for Rogue One where they had some minor spoiler in the title of their article... )


anyway, it is very possible the last Jedi could be someone other than Luke Mark has said he saw himself as there to hand over "Excalibur" to the next generation.

Yeah, but Yoda also replied to Obi-Wan, who was bemoaning Luke's poor decision to go fight Vader
with "That boy's our last hope", with "No, there is another" meaning Luke may be the last trained
Jedi, but not the last person who could be a Jedi.

I think Rey (Kenobi) is the Last Jedi. However, if this was the third installment, I would feel better
about that guess.

Dasein said:

EmmaMcG said:

Dasein said:

Yeah, but Yoda also replied to Obi-Wan, who was bemoaning Luke's poor decision to go fight Vader
with "That boy's our last hope", with "No, there is another" meaning Luke may be the last trained
Jedi, but not the last person who could be a Jedi.

I think Rey (Kenobi) is the Last Jedi. However, if this was the third installment, I would feel better
about that guess.

Wasn't Yoda only referring to Leia when he said that?

I assume it was yoda: but that was nonsense. there had to have been other force sensitive people yoda is just a lazy bastage

OnlyNDaUsa said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

so Star Wars is in red letters: that may be a hint as to who the Last Jedi is! So Could very well be Ben!

That's the first thing I thought: why is STAR WARS written in red? Never before...hmmm. As for "The Last Jedi", if we are to believe the opening crawl for Ep 7, the title is referring to Luke Skywalker and his return from exile. Counting the minutes...

I'm glad Disney had the Good sense to approve:

Star Wars VIII: The Last Jedi

....instead of.....

Star Wars VIII: The Last Jedi Volume 1

EmmaMcG said:

Dasein said:

Yeah, but Yoda also replied to Obi-Wan, who was bemoaning Luke's poor decision to go fight Vader
with "That boy's our last hope", with "No, there is another" meaning Luke may be the last trained
Jedi, but not the last person who could be a Jedi.

I think Rey (Kenobi) is the Last Jedi. However, if this was the third installment, I would feel better
about that guess.

Wasn't Yoda only referring to Leia when he said that?

Yes! And that's my point! If Yoda is recognizing Leia as being someone who could defeat Vader/
Palpatine, then clearly Luke is not the only person in the Star Wars universe who could be a Jedi.

Yoda is the most overrated Jedi in the Star Wars universe:


(1) He fought Count Dooku to a draw when Anakin beat his ass later.
(2) He fought Palpatine to a draw when Mace Windu had him beat.*
(3) He had the Sith Lord of all Sith Lords in his midst and didn't Force-sense it.




*I don't buy the "Well, Palpatine had to let Windu beat him so as to make it appear to
Anakin that the Jedi were actually desiring to take over the government" argument. There
is no indication in that fight sequence between those two that Palpatine was pulling his
punches.

Chancellor said:

I'm glad Disney had the Good sense to approve:

Star Wars VIII: The Last Jedi

....instead of.....

Star Wars VIII: The Last Jedi Volume 1

and then Star WarS IX the Last Jedi 2: Endor Boogaloo

Dasein said:

EmmaMcG said:

Dasein said: Wasn't Yoda only referring to Leia when he said that?

Yes! And that's my point! If Yoda is recognizing Leia as being someone who could defeat Vader/
Palpatine, then clearly Luke is not the only person in the Star Wars universe who could be a Jedi.

meh I think that was just a plot device

Dasein said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

remember what Yoda said "the last of the Jedi will you be" But yeah it could be a misdirect. I have New Hope I can resist watching any of the previews or reading any (or many) actual spoilers. (if the media is as reckless as they were for Rogue One where they had some minor spoiler in the title of their article... )


anyway, it is very possible the last Jedi could be someone other than Luke Mark has said he saw himself as there to hand over "Excalibur" to the next generation.

Yeah, but Yoda also replied to Obi-Wan, who was bemoaning Luke's poor decision to go fight Vader
with "That boy's our last hope", with "No, there is another" meaning Luke may be the last trained
Jedi, but not the last person who could be a Jedi.

Yes, especially since he knew of Leia

OnlyNDaUsa said:

EmmaMcG said:

Dasein said: Wasn't Yoda only referring to Leia when he said that?

I assume it was yoda: but that was nonsense. there had to have been other force sensitive people yoda is just a lazy bastage

Nope, Yoda was only refering to what he knew. He knew Luke was now trained, and he knew of Leia, but no one else.

Of course he knew their are other force sensitives out there "Pass on what you have learned"

Dasein said:

Yoda is the most overrated Jedi in the Star Wars universe:


(1) He fought Count Dooku to a draw when Anakin beat his ass later.
(2) He fought Palpatine to a draw when Mace Windu had him beat.*
(3) He had the Sith Lord of all Sith Lords in his midst and didn't Force-sense it.




*I don't buy the "Well, Palpatine had to let Windu beat him so as to make it appear to
Anakin that the Jedi were actually desiring to take over the government" argument. There
is no indication in that fight sequence between those two that Palpatine was pulling his
punches.

Far from it.

1. The movie did the fight a disservice. If you read the novel, Yoda was tearing him up and about to take him down. Of course for the sake of the story Darth Tyranus had to survive.

But also remember how easily he beat Anakins ass in that same movie.

There is a Star Wars novel:Dark Rendezvous(not a Prince outtake) where Count Dooku actually reaches out to Master Yoda for redemption. But they end up fighting and the Count is reminded why Yoda was his teacher.

2. Mace Windu fought Palpatine before Order 66. Master Yoda fought him with the weight of all the losses he felt and was feeling at that moment. The novel reveals more to why he left when he did. And of course for the sake of the story Darth Sidious had to survive.

3. I don't understand that much either. But that cannot be held only to Master Yoda. But there is a way for a force sensitive to hide their presence in the force. Which means they also cannot access it that moment.

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OldFriends4Sale said:

Dasein said:

Yoda is the most overrated Jedi in the Star Wars universe:


(1) He fought Count Dooku to a draw when Anakin beat his ass later.
(2) He fought Palpatine to a draw when Mace Windu had him beat.*
(3) He had the Sith Lord of all Sith Lords in his midst and didn't Force-sense it.




*I don't buy the "Well, Palpatine had to let Windu beat him so as to make it appear to
Anakin that the Jedi were actually desiring to take over the government" argument. There
is no indication in that fight sequence between those two that Palpatine was pulling his
punches.

Far from it.

1. The movie did the fight a disservice. If you read the novel, Yoda was tearing him up and about to take him down. Of course for the sake of the story Darth Tyranus had to survive.

But also remember how easily he beat Anakins ass in that same movie.

There is a Star Wars novel:Dark Rendezvous(not a Prince outtake) where Count Dooku actually reaches out to Master Yoda for redemption. But they end up fighting and the Count is reminded why Yoda was his teacher.

2. Mace Windu fought Palpatine before Order 66. Master Yoda fought him with the weight of all the losses he felt and was feeling at that moment. The novel reveals more to why he left when he did. And of course for the sake of the story Darth Sidious had to survive.

3. I don't understand that much either. But that cannot be held only to Master Yoda. But there is a way for a force sensitive to hide their presence in the force. Which means they also cannot access it that moment.

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Aw, c'mon! The novels are not canon! Yoda should have beat Dooku's ass like he owed him
rent. Anakin losing to Dooku in round one but easily defeating him in round two simply illustrates
Anakin's growth. If Anakin defeated Dooku so easily, and we would never claim him a greater
Jedi than Yoda, then Yoda, for the sake of continuity, should have beat the brakes off of Dooku
during their battle. But notice I said "continuity" in the context of George Lucas screenwriting,
which is a contradiction in terms.

That is a great point about Yoda fighting Palpatine to a draw post Order 66. However, if Windu
is beating Palpatine, then we must re-assess his abilities/talents as a Jedi.

Essentially, my beef with Yoda's depictions in the film's canon is an indication of Lucas' untidy
and unsystematic approach to clearly delineating Jedi/Sith abilities. I mean, Obi-Wan struggles
against Dooku but defeats Anakin who kicked Dooku's ass with ease?! The Force is one arbitrary
muthafucka!

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OldFriends4Sale said:

Dasein said:

Yoda is the most overrated Jedi in the Star Wars universe:


(1) He fought Count Dooku to a draw when Anakin beat his ass later.
(2) He fought Palpatine to a draw when Mace Windu had him beat.*
(3) He had the Sith Lord of all Sith Lords in his midst and didn't Force-sense it.




*I don't buy the "Well, Palpatine had to let Windu beat him so as to make it appear to
Anakin that the Jedi were actually desiring to take over the government" argument. There
is no indication in that fight sequence between those two that Palpatine was pulling his
punches.

Far from it.

1. The movie did the fight a disservice. If you read the novel, Yoda was tearing him up and about to take him down. Of course for the sake of the story Darth Tyranus had to survive.

But also remember how easily he beat Anakins ass in that same movie.

There is a Star Wars novel:Dark Rendezvous(not a Prince outtake) where Count Dooku actually reaches out to Master Yoda for redemption. But they end up fighting and the Count is reminded why Yoda was his teacher.

That . . . and Yoda was about 850 years old when he fought Dooku. As it played out in the film, Dooku escaped by making Yoda choose between finishing Dooku off or saving 2 of the Order's Franchise Players.

2. Mace Windu fought Palpatine before Order 66. Master Yoda fought him with the weight of all the losses he felt and was feeling at that moment. The novel reveals more to why he left when he did. And of course for the sake of the story Darth Sidious had to survive.

AGAIN . . . Yoda was about 850 years old when he fought Sidious. Now, he underestimated Sidious' power. And he allowed Sidious to dictate the battleground, though he had little choice.

3. I don't understand that much either. But that cannot be held only to Master Yoda. But there is a way for a force sensitive to hide their presence in the force. Which means they also cannot access it that moment

It's a fairly simple explanation -- Yoda's tragic flaw in the prequels was shared by the whole Order. He operated from FEAR.

- Fear of a little boy with messianic power, which caused him to shun him, then isolate him with a woefully inexperienced master, when the move should have been for YODA TO TRAIN HIM HIMSELF.

- Fear of allowing the Republic to know that the Jedi did not know -- or hid -- the existence of the Clone Project and Sifo Dyas' role in it, which of course would mean admitting the Sith had outmaneuvered them.

- Fear of the closeness of the Anakin-Palpatine friendship, so much so that Yoda greenlighted a project for Anakin to spy on Palpatine for the Council - not a Jediesque move.

- Fear of, as Sidious said in III, losing his power.

Ypda hints at this fear when he says in I, "hard to see the Dark Side is" and in II, "the shroud of the Dark Side has fallen." It's also a theme of the final episodes of Clone Wars.

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Dasein said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Far from it.

1. The movie did the fight a disservice. If you read the novel, Yoda was tearing him up and about to take him down. Of course for the sake of the story Darth Tyranus had to survive.

But also remember how easily he beat Anakins ass in that same movie.

There is a Star Wars novel:Dark Rendezvous(not a Prince outtake) where Count Dooku actually reaches out to Master Yoda for redemption. But they end up fighting and the Count is reminded why Yoda was his teacher.

2. Mace Windu fought Palpatine before Order 66. Master Yoda fought him with the weight of all the losses he felt and was feeling at that moment. The novel reveals more to why he left when he did. And of course for the sake of the story Darth Sidious had to survive.

3. I don't understand that much either. But that cannot be held only to Master Yoda. But there is a way for a force sensitive to hide their presence in the force. Which means they also cannot access it that moment.

[Edited 1/24/17 11:05am]

Aw, c'mon! The novels are not canon! Yoda should have beat Dooku's ass like he owed him
rent. Anakin losing to Dooku in round one but easily defeating him in round two simply illustrates
Anakin's growth. If Anakin defeated Dooku so easily, and we would never claim him a greater
Jedi than Yoda, then Yoda, for the sake of continuity, should have beat the brakes off of Dooku
during their battle. But notice I said "continuity" in the context of George Lucas screenwriting,
which is a contradiction in terms.

That is a great point about Yoda fighting Palpatine to a draw post Order 66. However, if Windu
is beating Palpatine, then we must re-assess his abilities/talents as a Jedi.

Essentially, my beef with Yoda's depictions in the film's canon is an indication of Lucas' untidy
and unsystematic approach to clearly delineating Jedi/Sith abilities. I mean, Obi-Wan struggles
against Dooku but defeats Anakin who kicked Dooku's ass with ease! The Force is one arbitrary
muthafucka!

Maybe Palpy ordered Dooku to lose?

Just don't go with Star Wars VIII: Dark Knight, if so we got a problem