kpowers said:

RJOrion said:

as usual, the Steelers defensive talent is/was overrated... Shazier, Dupree, and pretty much the whole secondary are so inconsisent...

Better than the Vikings

the Steelers as a team, are better than the Vikings, but their defense is not better than the Vikings defense... Steelers offensive line is WAY better, their QB is better, and LeVeon Bell behind that line is better than AAA>D> behind the Vikings HORRIBLE O-line...also Vikings dont have a WR like Antonio Brown...so youre...but yes, i do have to limit my shit-talking due to the 2016-2017 Vikings coming up so short... i'll be quiet now

RJOrion said:

kpowers said:

Better than the Vikings

the Steelers as a team, are better than the Vikings, but their defense is not better than the Vikings defense... Steelers offensive line is WAY better, their QB is better, and LeVeon Bell behind that line is better than AAA>D> behind the Vikings HORRIBLE O-line...also Vikings dont have a WR like Antonio Brown...so youre...but yes, i do have to limit my shit-talking due to the 2016-2017 Vikings coming up so short... i'll be quiet now

The Steelers defense is not overrated because for years people have called it old and slow. It has improved but no one is calling it one of the the elite defenses of the NFL. Statistically they gotten better after their loss to the Cowboys. Yes they got out coached by the Patriots. Vikings started off strong but imploded midway during the season.

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kpowers said:

RJOrion said:

the Steelers as a team, are better than the Vikings, but their defense is not better than the Vikings defense... Steelers offensive line is WAY better, their QB is better, and LeVeon Bell behind that line is better than AAA>D> behind the Vikings HORRIBLE O-line...also Vikings dont have a WR like Antonio Brown...so youre...but yes, i do have to limit my shit-talking due to the 2016-2017 Vikings coming up so short... i'll be quiet now

The Steelers defense is not overrated because for years people have called it old and slow. It has improved but no one is calling one the the elite defenses of the NFL. Vikings started off strong but imploded midway during the season.

Viking defense did implode, because it eventually wore down from being on the field so much...Vikings had no running game to sustain clock eating drives...either they were three & out or Bradford scored too quick... and left tackle T.J. Clemmings is easily the worst offensive lineman in the history of organized football...never seen anything like it/him... if the Vikings had a stud like Villanueva, on their left side, shit would be different...

kpowers said:

phunkdaddy said:

Let me paraphase, Bell and an improved defense is the Steelers best chance to get an aging

Big Ben a 3rd Super Bowl ring.

you think Ben will be back. Heard if he doesn't come back he owes the team 18 million????

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He's coming back. He's just exhausted. Maybe he's trying to send a message. Let's right the

ship I'm not getting any younger. Ben will hop his ass out there on one leg. He isn't trying to

pay the team 18 mil back.

kpowers said:

RJOrion said:

the Steelers as a team, are better than the Vikings, but their defense is not better than the Vikings defense... Steelers offensive line is WAY better, their QB is better, and LeVeon Bell behind that line is better than AAA>D> behind the Vikings HORRIBLE O-line...also Vikings dont have a WR like Antonio Brown...so youre...but yes, i do have to limit my shit-talking due to the 2016-2017 Vikings coming up so short... i'll be quiet now

The Steelers defense is not overrated because for years people have called it old and slow. It has improved but no one is calling it one of the the elite defenses of the NFL. Statistically they gotten better after their loss to the Cowboys. Yes they got out coached by the Patriots. Vikings started off strong but imploded midway during the season.

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Too bad Brady wasn't around during the 1995 Steeler era defense. They would have beat the shit

out of Brady. Greg Lloyd and Kevin Greene on the edge and Levon Kirkand and Chad Brown on the inside oh and they actually had a secondary then that could cover. Woodson, Figures, Perry, and Lake. Woodson would have knocked Brady ass out on a corner blitz like he did Warren Moon one year.

phunkdaddy said:

kpowers said:

The Steelers defense is not overrated because for years people have called it old and slow. It has improved but no one is calling it one of the the elite defenses of the NFL. Statistically they gotten better after their loss to the Cowboys. Yes they got out coached by the Patriots. Vikings started off strong but imploded midway during the season.

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Too bad Brady wasn't around during the 1995 Steeler era defense. They would have beat the shit

out of Brady. Greg Lloyd and Kevin Greene on the edge and Levon Kirkand and Chad Brown on the inside oh and they actually had a secondary then that could cover. Woodson, Figures, Perry, and Lake. Woodson would have knocked Brady ass out on a corner blitz like he did Warren Moon one year.

Oh hell yeah

kpowers said:

CarrieCee said:

You could have, too

You seem very defensive

Not at all! 20's CarrieCee....maybe. Older and wiser

uPtoWnNY said:

phunkdaddy said:

namepeace said: Well like the old Kleeer song Winners,Winners never quit and Quitters never win. I'm sure it's frustrating to get this close and not even be competitive in the AFC title game but don't deflect blame talk to the players and coaches and owners to see what needs to be done to take the next step. As far as Bell go he and an improved defense may be Ben's best chance to win the Super Bowl. Those young receivers will continue to grow meanwhile Bryant comes back. Remember if it wasn't for Terrell Davis we wouldn't be mentioning John Elway among the all time greats.

I would.....Elway put those Denver teams on his back and took them to Super Bowls. Thing was, those teams were mediocre and at that time, the NFC was the dominant conference. Can't blame Elway for that.

As for Pittsburgh, I've been listening to WFAN sports talk radio all day. Many Steeler callers are unhappy with Tomlin and his inability to adjust on defense.

A couple said Terry Bradshaw was right.

- Elway would still be considered an all-time great. Like u/t said, he carried 3 teams to the Super Bowl. And those teams were simply overmatched by the NFC.

- There's a good article on Deadspin about Brady's historical dominance of the Steelers. It didn't matter whether Cowher or Tomlin was coaching, whether LeBeau or Butler were calling the (same) defenses. Or the personnel on the field. Brady has picked them apart for darn near 15 years in the regular season and the playoffs.

- Bradshaw had an offense loaded with HOFers and the Steel Curtain. Loved him growing up, but it's easy for him to complain about Tomlin, who's not been blessed with the type of talent on defense that Noll had (and put together).

- That aside, Tomlin's got some work to do on and off the field with his team.

phunkdaddy said:

CarrieCee said:

THAT'S your response???

C'mon - Brady himself said it's the fans and his team that help

I know everyone hates them and I totally love busting everyone's balls about it. I hated Peyton Manning for years, I get it. The rivalries are fun and I just really love the game. I don't keep up on all the teams like I used to (I blame marriage) but at the end of the day....it's a game. I hope WE win the superbowl, but I'm not going to cry in my Cheerios if we don't. And I'm not going to go looking for something (like deflated balls) to blame it on!

Tom Brady = GOAT!!!!!! Yes yes yes!!!

Tom Brady ain't no damn GOAT! The GOAT doesn't lose 2 Super Bowls to the same team.

He'll be the only QB with 5 rings! And he's not slowing down any time soon!

GOAT!

CarrieCee said:

phunkdaddy said:

Tom Brady ain't no damn GOAT! The GOAT doesn't lose 2 Super Bowls to the same team.

He'll be the only QB with 5 rings! And he's not slowing down any time soon!

GOAT!

Careful about counting those chickens, Carrie. That's what got Pats Nation in trouble in 2007.

namepeace said:

uPtoWnNY said:

I would.....Elway put those Denver teams on his back and took them to Super Bowls. Thing was, those teams were mediocre and at that time, the NFC was the dominant conference. Can't blame Elway for that.

As for Pittsburgh, I've been listening to WFAN sports talk radio all day. Many Steeler callers are unhappy with Tomlin and his inability to adjust on defense.

A couple said Terry Bradshaw was right.

- Elway would still be considered an all-time great. Like u/t said, he carried 3 teams to the Super Bowl. And those teams were simply overmatched by the NFC.

- There's a good article on Deadspin about Brady's historical dominance of the Steelers. It didn't matter whether Cowher or Tomlin was coaching, whether LeBeau or Butler were calling the (same) defenses. Or the personnel on the field. Brady has picked them apart for darn near 15 years in the regular season and the playoffs.

- Bradshaw had an offense loaded with HOFers and the Steel Curtain. Loved him growing up, but it's easy for him to complain about Tomlin, who's not been blessed with the type of talent on defense that Noll had (and put together).

- That aside, Tomlin's got some work to do on and off the field with his team.

I'm surprised that Ben would throw everyone (including his coaches) under the bus like that. Is something going on in that locker room?

namepeace said:

CarrieCee said:

He'll be the only QB with 5 rings! And he's not slowing down any time soon!

GOAT!

Careful about counting those chickens, Carrie. That's what got Pats Nation in trouble in 2007.

The 2007 & 2011 Giants had what you need to throw Brady off, just like the Texans a couple of weeks ago - pass rush, pass rush, pass rush, preferably up the middle. If Atlanta can't do that, game over.

uPtoWnNY said:

I'm surprised that Ben would throw everyone (including his coaches) under the bus like that. Is something going on in that locker room?

I suspected that (Reply 30). Around that time, and since, stories have started to leak about his frustrations with Brown's antics and Tomlin and Haley. It must have been brewing for some time, with all of the suspensions and off-the-field stuff they've dealt with for 2 seasons.

Ben, who hasn't always been a choirboy himself, might have had enough.

Does anybody think the San Diego Chargers loss to the Browns was the last nail in the coffin?

kpowers said:

Does anybody think the San Diego Chargers loss to the Browns was the last nail in the coffin?

I think they're moving to LA, and I don't think they will last 10 years there. I wouldn't be surprised to see them end up in San Antonio.

RodeoSchro said:

kpowers said:

Does anybody think the San Diego Chargers loss to the Browns was the last nail in the coffin?

I think they're moving to LA, and I don't think they will last 10 years there. I wouldn't be surprised to see them end up in San Antonio.

You also have the Rams there as well. I think the weaker team (take your pick) will leave. If that's the case I hope it's Chargers back to San Diego. Wonder if the Padres will move to L.A as well.

CarrieCee said:

kpowers said:

You seem very defensive

Not at all! 20's CarrieCee....maybe. Older and wiser

Older yes!!!! but wiser.............. hmmm

kpowers said:

RodeoSchro said:

I think they're moving to LA, and I don't think they will last 10 years there. I wouldn't be surprised to see them end up in San Antonio.

You also have the Rams there as well. I think the weaker team (take your pick) will leave. If that's the case I hope it's Chargers back to San Diego. Wonder if the Padres will move to L.A as well.

I can't see the Chargers ever moving back to San Diego, but I guess never say never.

I don't think Los Angeles will support one team, much less two teams. And the Rams were there first, both back in the past and now. The Chargers in LA are going to be a gigantic flop, IMO.

San Antonio has been primed for an NFL team for a long, long time. I think their biggest obstacle is that they built an NFL stadium 20 years ago that isn't up to today's standards. They will have to build a brand new palace, which won't be easy to do. But as long as Red McCombs is alive, he can make it happen there.

I'm not up to date on the Padres situation but LA already has two baseball teams. Think they would take on a third?

RodeoSchro said:

kpowers said:

You also have the Rams there as well. I think the weaker team (take your pick) will leave. If that's the case I hope it's Chargers back to San Diego. Wonder if the Padres will move to L.A as well.

I can't see the Chargers ever moving back to San Diego, but I guess never say never.

I don't think Los Angeles will support one team, much less two teams. And the Rams were there first, both back in the past and now. The Chargers in LA are going to be a gigantic flop, IMO.

San Antonio has been primed for an NFL team for a long, long time. I think their biggest obstacle is that they built an NFL stadium 20 years ago that isn't up to today's standards. They will have to build a brand new palace, which won't be easy to do. But as long as Red McCombs is alive, he can make it happen there.

I'm not up to date on the Padres situation but LA already has two baseball teams. Think they would take on a third?

Sounds like you really want a team in San Antonio. How was the support when the San Antonio Gunslingers where there?

RodeoSchro said:

I can't see the Chargers ever moving back to San Diego, but I guess never say never.

I don't think Los Angeles will support one team, much less two teams. And the Rams were there first, both back in the past and now. The Chargers in LA are going to be a gigantic flop, IMO.

San Antonio has been primed for an NFL team for a long, long time. I think their biggest obstacle is that they built an NFL stadium 20 years ago that isn't up to today's standards. They will have to build a brand new palace, which won't be easy to do. But as long as Red McCombs is alive, he can make it happen there.

I'm not up to date on the Padres situation but LA already has two baseball teams. Think they would take on a third?

Just a joke since it seems like LA likes take San Diego pro teams

kpowers said:

RodeoSchro said:

I can't see the Chargers ever moving back to San Diego, but I guess never say never.

I don't think Los Angeles will support one team, much less two teams. And the Rams were there first, both back in the past and now. The Chargers in LA are going to be a gigantic flop, IMO.

San Antonio has been primed for an NFL team for a long, long time. I think their biggest obstacle is that they built an NFL stadium 20 years ago that isn't up to today's standards. They will have to build a brand new palace, which won't be easy to do. But as long as Red McCombs is alive, he can make it happen there.

I'm not up to date on the Padres situation but LA already has two baseball teams. Think they would take on a third?

Sounds like you really want a team in San Antonio. How was the support when the San Antonio Gunslingers where there?

No, I don't care one way or the other. I'm just trying to analyze the Chargers situation. I think they're destined to fail in LA and I highly doubt they'd go back to San Diego. So in that case, where would they go?

San Antonio seemed like the most likely destination.

None of the USFL teams did well. I went to a couple Houston Gamblers games. They weren't a lot of fun.

RodeoSchro said:

kpowers said:

Sounds like you really want a team in San Antonio. How was the support when the San Antonio Gunslingers where there?

No, I don't care one way or the other. I'm just trying to analyze the Chargers situation. I think they're destined to fail in LA and I highly doubt they'd go back to San Diego. So in that case, where would they go?

San Antonio seemed like the most likely destination.

None of the USFL teams did well. I went to a couple Houston Gamblers games. They weren't a lot of fun.

What about St. Louis? Or even Portland

RodeoSchro said:

kpowers said:

Sounds like you really want a team in San Antonio. How was the support when the San Antonio Gunslingers where there?

No, I don't care one way or the other. I'm just trying to analyze the Chargers situation. I think they're destined to fail in LA and I highly doubt they'd go back to San Diego. So in that case, where would they go?

San Antonio seemed like the most likely destination.

None of the USFL teams did well. I went to a couple Houston Gamblers games. They weren't a lot of fun.

Why was that?? Jim Kelly was the QB. There was talent there, Steve Young, Reggie White, Hershell Walker, and Doug Flutie who come to mind. I use to watch them on TV back in the day and they were fun to watch and seems like people were coming out to watch them (not like NFL Europe where only people in the stadium were family members of the players) Pittsburgh Maulers had a reasonable fan support. What killed the USFL was going against the NFL which caused alot of teams to fold or move. I wish the USFL would come back, it almost did a few years ago but the man behind it pulled out. I hate that long stretch of no football from February - September (not counting pre-season games) and if the USFL would play during that time it would really fill the void. Hey who knows Tebow and Manziel could be stars in that league. The Stars did well and they were overall the strongest team in the USFL.

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CarrieCee said:

phunkdaddy said:

Tom Brady ain't no damn GOAT! The GOAT doesn't lose 2 Super Bowls to the same team.

He'll be the only QB with 5 rings! And he's not slowing down any time soon!

GOAT!

Brady is the best QB of this era but of all time? Nope.

Otto Graham (the Bill Russell of pro football)

Johnny Unitas (the father of the modern-era QB)

Joe Montana ('nuff said)

Remember, you can't always look at numbers. Back in the day defenses were allowed to do more to QBs & WRs. In today's game, defenses have been neutered to allow more scoring. A QB with a 50% completion today is considered poor - not so in the old days.

As far as pure QB skill, the best I ever saw was Dan Marino. When it came to throwing the ball, no one could touch him. Unfortunately the one SB he went to, he lost to that 15-1 49er team. If Marino had what Elway had late in his career (Terrell Davis, Shannon Sharpe and a defense), he'd have a couple of rings.

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phunkdaddy said:

kpowers said:

you think Ben will be back. Heard if he doesn't come back he owes the team 18 million????

[Edited 1/24/17 20:44pm]

He's coming back. He's just exhausted. Maybe he's trying to send a message. Let's right the

ship I'm not getting any younger. Ben will hop his ass out there on one leg. He isn't trying to

pay the team 18 mil back.

Steelers are gonna need to draft a QB for the future. Landry Jones is not the answer and not sure if he will be back next year or not. Who do you see the Steelers getting as a QB if they go that route for the next draft?

Mitch Trubisky

Deshaun Watson

DeShone Kizer

Patrick Mahomes

Brad Kaaya

Nathan Peterman

Davis Webb

Jerod Evans

Chad Kelly

Joshua Dobbs

C.J. Beathard

Bart Houston

Seth Russell

Sefo Liufau

Cooper Rush

Alek Torgersen

Zach Terrell

Brady Gustafson

Ryan Higgins

Antonio Pipkin

Garrett Fugate

Austin Appleby

Philip Nelson

Tommy Armstrong Jr.

Trevor Knight

CarrieCee said:

As long as you're the only one who believes that. I see where he's slowing down now. Father Time will catch him sooner than later! Ask Peyton!
Joshua Dobbs sucks Batman. The better qb's are coming out in next year's class.
Watson and Trubisky will be gone and I'm not in love with Trubisky as a first rounder. I would pass on qb's this draft unless Landry isn't resigned. Rebuild the defense.
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Pro Bowl today. Yeah yeah I know who cares, hey there actually has been some good games over the years. It is great for a city to host them because it gives fans a great opportunity to get autographs from players. Glad it's back to AFC vs NFC again.

phunkdaddy said:

CarrieCee said:

As long as you're the only one who believes that. I see where he's slowing down now. Father Time will catch him sooner than later! Ask Peyton! Joshua Dobbs sucks Batman. The better qb's are coming out in next year's class. Watson and Trubisky will be gone and I'm not in love with Trubisky as a first rounder. I would pass on qb's this draft unless Landry isn't resigned. Rebuild the defense. [Edited 1/29/17 6:00am]

Landry Jones had a hard time against Clevland at home.

kpowers said:

RodeoSchro said:

No, I don't care one way or the other. I'm just trying to analyze the Chargers situation. I think they're destined to fail in LA and I highly doubt they'd go back to San Diego. So in that case, where would they go?

San Antonio seemed like the most likely destination.

None of the USFL teams did well. I went to a couple Houston Gamblers games. They weren't a lot of fun.

Why was that?? Jim Kelly was the QB. There was talent there, Steve Young, Reggie White, Hershell Walker, and Doug Flutie who come to mind. I use to watch them on TV back in the day and they were fun to watch and seems like people were coming out to watch them (not like NFL Europe where only people in the stadium were family members of the players) Pittsburgh Maulers had a reasonable fan support. What killed the USFL was going against the NFL which caused alot of teams to fold or move. I wish the USFL would come back, it almost did a few years ago but the man behind it pulled out. I hate that long stretch of no football from February - September (not counting pre-season games) and if the USFL would play during that time it would really fill the void. Hey who knows Tebow and Manziel could be stars in that league. The Stars did well and they were overall the strongest team in the USFL.

[Edited 1/27/17 16:52pm]

Rough crowd. Lots and lots and lots of drunk oilfield workers. They mainly wanted to fight anyone and everyone, and going to a cheap football game was their way of walking into a target-rich environment.

A friend of mine owned the Houston franchise in what was supposed to be the next USFL. I asked him about it and he said it (the new league) was a joke, and the league had recruited him to go on TV and say, "Spring football is coming back!" But he never thought spring football was ever coming back and it didn't.