uPtoWnNY said:

phunkdaddy said:

uPtoWnNY said: Add Baltimore and Denver to that list too. In the postseason the Ravens have always made it tough on Brady even in the match ups they lost by busting him in the mouth and playing man on the receivers. Denver has provided the blueprint in recently how to slow Brady and the Steelers come out with the same predictable defense with no adjustment. Tomlin needs to install his cover 2 with a 4-3 defense. It's time to move on from the 34 defense. The refs didn't cost the Steelers the game but NE damn sure got some home cooking. SMDH

Steelers have no one to blame but themselves. They didn't do the little things right (dropped passes) & WFAN's Mike Francesca just hammered the coaches for their defensive approach - they played pass defense like they were scared. They should have watched film of the Texans game.

Steelers have the talent to beat the Patriots. Yes there were dropped passes, mostly by the young WR's. Don't forget Wheaton and Bryant were not in the game. The fact is Belichick and his coaching staff is better than Mike Tomlin and his staff. Even when Brady was out the Patriots were still winning unlike when Landry Jones took over when Ben was out. Imagine what Belichick could do if he had Ben, Brown, and Bell on his team.

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phunkdaddy said:

babynoz said:

For the life of me I cannot fathom why we didn't make defensive changes in the second half. My son kept asking why the hell they stuck with zone defense?

Game was winnable but like I keep saying, we need to focus and play all four quarters, not three.

You said a mouthful. Me and my Steelers friends during and after the game why stay in a zone defense. Brady picked us apart. Who the fuck is Chris Hogan? We couldn't even cover a no name receiver. I was more worried about Edelmen and Dion Lewis. We didn't have to worry about Gronk. Losing Bell early in the 1st quarter changed the complexion of the Steelers offense because that allowed Belicheck to take away the Steelers biggest weapon on the field Brown. Looks like Ben and Jesse James were the only guys on offense that came to play. We need to junk the 3-4 defense against Brady because that shit hasn't worked. Need to pressure Brady up the middle and make him move. The Steelers have to continue to upgrade on defense. The offense gets Martavius Bryant back next year and should be loaded. This guy is a poor man's Randy Moss who can blow the top off of defenses.

Yes,

kpowers said:

uPtoWnNY said:

Steelers have no one to blame but themselves. They didn't do the little things right (dropped passes) & WFAN's Mike Francesca just hammered the coaches for their defensive approach - they played pass defense like they were scared. They should have watched film of the Texans game.

Steelers have the talent to beat the Patriots. Yes there were dropped passes, mostly by the young WR's. Don't forget Wheaton and Bryant were not in the game. The fact is Belichick and his coaching staff is better than Mike Tomlin and his staff. Even when Brady was out the Patriots were still winning unlike when Landry Jones took over when Ben was out. Imagine what Belichick could do if he had Ben, Brown, and Bell on his team.

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Wheaton is no better than the young receivers the Steelers have now. Wheaton will not be resigned.

Haley isn't a bad OC but I'm starting to see Bruce Arians tendencies all over again which makes me wonder if Ben has a hand in some of these dumb ass calls. 3rd and 1 and Ben is chunking the ball 50 yards down field to Sammie Coates. Pick up the damn first down and then if you want to play action on first down and take a shot down field then use that option. The defense still has holes in the secondary. Mike Mitchell is nothing more than a statue who goes for the big hit and nothing else. Ross Cockrell would be good as a 3rd corner but not a starter. Burns and Sean Davis are coming on but still rookies who were gonna get schooled by Brady.

namepeace said:

phunkdaddy said:

uPtoWnNY said: Add Baltimore and Denver to that list too. In the postseason the Ravens have always made it tough on Brady even in the match ups they lost by busting him in the mouth and playing man on the receivers. Denver has provided the blueprint in recently how to slow Brady and the Steelers come out with the same predictable defense with no adjustment. Tomlin needs to install his cover 2 with a 4-3 defense. It's time to move on from the 34 defense. The refs didn't cost the Steelers the game but NE damn sure got some home cooking. SMDH

The refs called no penalties through what, 2.5 quarters? They were letting them play. Why not go man and make the receivers beat your cover guys?

The answer PIT might give is that Pittsburgh's secondary has been a mess for a while now, pretty much ever since Polomalu went into decline. They need to fix it. They've got pieces to build around on the front seven (Shazier, Tuitt) but they are really having issues filling all the holes.

You hit the nail on the head.

CarrieCee said:

kpowers said:

And whats's with this "We won" thing???? You weren't on the field

THAT'S your response???

C'mon - Brady himself said it's the fans and his team that help

I know everyone hates them and I totally love busting everyone's balls about it. I hated Peyton Manning for years, I get it. The rivalries are fun and I just really love the game. I don't keep up on all the teams like I used to (I blame marriage) but at the end of the day....it's a game. I hope WE win the superbowl, but I'm not going to cry in my Cheerios if we don't. And I'm not going to go looking for something (like deflated balls) to blame it on!

Tom Brady = GOAT!!!!!! Yes yes yes!!!

Tom Brady ain't no damn GOAT! The GOAT doesn't lose 2 Super Bowls to the same team.

phunkdaddy said:

kpowers said:

Steelers have the talent to beat the Patriots. Yes there were dropped passes, mostly by the young WR's. Don't forget Wheaton and Bryant were not in the game. The fact is Belichick and his coaching staff is better than Mike Tomlin and his staff. Even when Brady was out the Patriots were still winning unlike when Landry Jones took over when Ben was out. Imagine what Belichick could do if he had Ben, Brown, and Bell on his team.

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Wheaton is no better than the young receivers the Steelers have now. Wheaton will not be resigned.

Haley isn't a bad OC but I'm starting to see Bruce Arians tendencies all over again which makes me wonder if Ben has a hand in some of these dumb ass calls. 3rd and 1 and Ben is chunking the ball 50 yards down field to Sammie Coates. Pick up the damn first down and then if you want to play action on first down and take a shot down field then use that option. The defense still has holes in the secondary. Mike Mitchell is nothing more than a statue who goes for the big hit and nothing else. Ross Cockrell would be good as a 3rd corner but not a starter. Burns and Sean Davis are coming on but still rookies who were gonna get schooled by Brady.

Yeah I think Wheaton won't be back because of Hamilton and Rogers. I think Haley is the best coach on the staff of the Steelers.

kpowers said:

uPtoWnNY said:

Steelers have no one to blame but themselves. They didn't do the little things right (dropped passes) & WFAN's Mike Francesca just hammered the coaches for their defensive approach - they played pass defense like they were scared. They should have watched film of the Texans game.

Steelers have the talent to beat the Patriots. Yes there were dropped passes, mostly by the young WR's. Don't forget Wheaton and Bryant were not in the game. The fact is Belichick and his coaching staff is better than Mike Tomlin and his staff. Even when Brady was out the Patriots were still winning unlike when Landry Jones took over when Ben was out. Imagine what Belichick could do if he had Ben, Brown, and Bell on his team.

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But they have to change their defensive philosophy against the Patriots.

You should have said that was a childish act.

You could have, too

uPtoWnNY said:

kpowers said:

Steelers have the talent to beat the Patriots. Yes there were dropped passes, mostly by the young WR's. Don't forget Wheaton and Bryant were not in the game. The fact is Belichick and his coaching staff is better than Mike Tomlin and his staff. Even when Brady was out the Patriots were still winning unlike when Landry Jones took over when Ben was out. Imagine what Belichick could do if he had Ben, Brown, and Bell on his team.

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But they have to change their defensive philosophy against the Patriots.

Yes that is why I said the coaching is better with New England

CarrieCee said:

You should have said that was a childish act.

You could have, too

That's your reponse?????????????????

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Looks like Steelers might have to draft a QB in next draft. Ben unsure about coming back for 2017 season. If he does come back I think it will be his last season. Regardless Steelers need to draft a QB in the next draft.

kpowers said:

Looks like Steelers might have to draft a QB in next draft. Ben unsure about coming back for 2017 season. If he does come back I think it will be his last season. Regardless Steelers need to draft a QB in the next draft.

He's one of the few players in football to be able to use his leverage for change.

I am WILDLY speculating here, but I would think that the holes on defense make his job harder. Also wildly speculating, he's had to deal with key weapons who have all gotten themselves into serious issues this season -- Bell (drug suspension), Bryant (drug suspension) and Brown (Facebook Live). That and the hits he's taken over a decade have got to wear on him.

I think he wants some changes from the front office and coaching staff or he's ready to bounce.

namepeace said:

kpowers said:

Looks like Steelers might have to draft a QB in next draft. Ben unsure about coming back for 2017 season. If he does come back I think it will be his last season. Regardless Steelers need to draft a QB in the next draft.

He's one of the few players in football to be able to use his leverage for change.

I am WILDLY speculating here, but I would think that the holes on defense make his job harder. Also wildly speculating, he's had to deal with key weapons who have all gotten themselves into serious issues this season -- Bell (drug suspension), Bryant (drug suspension) and Brown (Facebook Live). That and the hits he's taken over a decade have got to wear on him.

I think he wants some changes from the front office and coaching staff or he's ready to bounce.

Yes!!!!!!!!! And that's what every sports columnist is going to write about. Hey let's not forget about his age and health. It's very possible if he won the Super Bowl this year he would have retire as well and nobody would question that figuring that Ben wanted to end on a high note.

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This could also be Brady's last game as well

CarrieCee said:

You should have said that was a childish act.

You could have, too

You seem very defensive

Interesting words from Big Ben......the Patriots “outcoached us, outplayed us, and outexecuted us”........

https://amp.theguard...lers-nfl-return

phunkdaddy said:

kpowers said:

Steelers have the talent to beat the Patriots. Yes there were dropped passes, mostly by the young WR's. Don't forget Wheaton and Bryant were not in the game. The fact is Belichick and his coaching staff is better than Mike Tomlin and his staff. Even when Brady was out the Patriots were still winning unlike when Landry Jones took over when Ben was out. Imagine what Belichick could do if he had Ben, Brown, and Bell on his team.

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Wheaton is no better than the young receivers the Steelers have now. Wheaton will not be resigned.

Haley isn't a bad OC but I'm starting to see Bruce Arians tendencies all over again which makes me wonder if Ben has a hand in some of these dumb ass calls. 3rd and 1 and Ben is chunking the ball 50 yards down field to Sammie Coates. Pick up the damn first down and then if you want to play action on first down and take a shot down field then use that option. The defense still has holes in the secondary. Mike Mitchell is nothing more than a statue who goes for the big hit and nothing else. Ross Cockrell would be good as a 3rd corner but not a starter. Burns and Sean Davis are coming on but still rookies who were gonna get schooled by Brady.

Also like Coach Mike Munchak

phunkdaddy said:

namepeace said:

The refs called no penalties through what, 2.5 quarters? They were letting them play. Why not go man and make the receivers beat your cover guys?

The answer PIT might give is that Pittsburgh's secondary has been a mess for a while now, pretty much ever since Polomalu went into decline. They need to fix it. They've got pieces to build around on the front seven (Shazier, Tuitt) but they are really having issues filling all the holes.

You hit the nail on the head.

The Steelers were my "first love" as a sports fan. Watching them in the 70's inspired me to play the sport myself. I generally root for them though I've spent most of my life as a Washington fan . . . and most of that time in misery.

namepeace said:

phunkdaddy said:

namepeace said:

He's one of the few players in football to be able to use his leverage for change.

I am WILDLY speculating here, but I would think that the holes on defense make his job harder. Also wildly speculating, he's had to deal with key weapons who have all gotten themselves into serious issues this season -- Bell (drug suspension), Bryant (drug suspension) and Brown (Facebook Live). That and the hits he's taken over a decade have got to wear on him.

I think he wants some changes from the front office and coaching staff or he's ready to bounce.

Well like the old Kleeer song Winners,Winners never quit and Quitters never win. I'm sure it's frustrating to get this close and not even be competitive in the AFC title game but don't deflect blame talk to the players and coaches and owners to see what needs to be done to take the next step. As far as Bell go he and an improved defense may be Ben's best chance to win the Super Bowl. Those young receivers will continue to grow meanwhile Bryant comes back. Remember if it wasn't for Terrell Davis we wouldn't be mentioning John Elway among the all time greats.

Yeah but Ben has already won a 2 superbowl so I don't see the connection there

I can't blame Ben for being frustrated. I'm frustrated my damn self.

It ain't like the talent isn't there. I agree with Namepeace.

phunkdaddy said:

namepeace said:

He's one of the few players in football to be able to use his leverage for change.

I am WILDLY speculating here, but I would think that the holes on defense make his job harder. Also wildly speculating, he's had to deal with key weapons who have all gotten themselves into serious issues this season -- Bell (drug suspension), Bryant (drug suspension) and Brown (Facebook Live). That and the hits he's taken over a decade have got to wear on him.

I think he wants some changes from the front office and coaching staff or he's ready to bounce.

Well like the old Kleeer song Winners,Winners never quit and Quitters never win. I'm sure it's frustrating to get this close and not even be competitive in the AFC title game but don't deflect blame talk to the players and coaches and owners to see what needs to be done to take the next step. As far as Bell go he and an improved defense may be Ben's best chance to win the Super Bowl. Those young receivers will continue to grow meanwhile Bryant comes back. Remember if it wasn't for Terrell Davis we wouldn't be mentioning John Elway among the all time greats.

I would.....Elway put those Denver teams on his back and took them to Super Bowls. Thing was, those teams were mediocre and at that time, the NFC was the dominant conference. Can't blame Elway for that.

As for Pittsburgh, I've been listening to WFAN sports talk radio all day. Many Steeler callers are unhappy with Tomlin and his inability to adjust on defense.

A couple said Terry Bradshaw was right.

as usual, the Steelers defensive talent is/was overrated... Shazier, Dupree, and pretty much the whole secondary are so inconsisent...

Tuitt is the only real reliable stud on that Steeler defense...game in and game out , he's a beast...

RJOrion said:

Tuitt is the only real reliable stud on that Steeler defense...game in and game out , he's a beast...

Tuitt is not shabby but Ryan Shazier is the real stud on that defense. He makes alll the calls and

blows plays up in the middle. Tuitt didn't get any pressure on Brady sunday. Meanwhile the one thing that was good about the defense on Sunday was Shazier blowing up Dion Lewis whenever he touched the ball. Lewis was a non factor Sunday.

RJOrion said:

as usual, the Steelers defensive talent is/was overrated... Shazier, Dupree, and pretty much the whole secondary are so inconsisent...

Better than the Vikings

kpowers said:

phunkdaddy said:

namepeace said: Well like the old Kleeer song Winners,Winners never quit and Quitters never win. I'm sure it's frustrating to get this close and not even be competitive in the AFC title game but don't deflect blame talk to the players and coaches and owners to see what needs to be done to take the next step. As far as Bell go he and an improved defense may be Ben's best chance to win the Super Bowl. Those young receivers will continue to grow meanwhile Bryant comes back. Remember if it wasn't for Terrell Davis we wouldn't be mentioning John Elway among the all time greats.

Yeah but Ben has already won a 2 superbowl so I don't see the connection there

Let me paraphase, Bell and an improved defense is the Steelers best chance to get an aging

Big Ben a 3rd Super Bowl ring.

RJOrion said:

Tuitt is the only real reliable stud on that Steeler defense...game in and game out , he's a beast...

Secondary is young. Heyward is reliable. Rookie Hargrave has also proven himself. Coaching needs to improve.

uPtoWnNY said:

phunkdaddy said:

namepeace said: Well like the old Kleeer song Winners,Winners never quit and Quitters never win. I'm sure it's frustrating to get this close and not even be competitive in the AFC title game but don't deflect blame talk to the players and coaches and owners to see what needs to be done to take the next step. As far as Bell go he and an improved defense may be Ben's best chance to win the Super Bowl. Those young receivers will continue to grow meanwhile Bryant comes back. Remember if it wasn't for Terrell Davis we wouldn't be mentioning John Elway among the all time greats.

I would.....Elway put those Denver teams on his back and took them to Super Bowls. Thing was, those teams were mediocre and at that time, the NFC was the dominant conference. Can't blame Elway for that.

As for Pittsburgh, I've been listening to WFAN sports talk radio all day. Many Steeler callers are unhappy with Tomlin and his inability to adjust on defense.

A couple said Terry Bradshaw was right.

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John Elway said himself before his Broncos were obliterated in the Super Bowl by the 49ers

55-10 that he knows he won't be considered a great qb until he wins one. There was nothing

mediocre about the 1989 Broncos they just like the rest of the league were no match for the

49ers period. The Broncos would have kicked any other team from the NFC in the ass for the Super Bowl that season. The 49ers smashed the Vikings 41-13 and then the Rams 30-3 for the NFC title

so it wasn't that the Broncos were horrible they just weren't any match for the 49ers like the rest of

the league. That Broncos team was very good.

phunkdaddy said:

kpowers said:

Yeah but Ben has already won a 2 superbowl so I don't see the connection there

Let me paraphase, Bell and an improved defense is the Steelers best chance to get an aging

Big Ben a 3rd Super Bowl ring.

you think Ben will be back. Heard if he doesn't come back he owes the team 18 million????

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