This is from a thread about the death of George Michael and my retort to someone who posted those photos of GM as a very chubby man.

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THE TRIUMPHAL BOMBAST OF A CHUBBY MAN!

I also did it because I am a person of plus size proportions and are tired of the fat shaming and fat bashing the media indulge in. Vegatarians and skinny people do not live longer, every fitness guru or healthy eating consultant looks prematurely aged and the news is full of stupid stories about how evil, meat, sugar, fat and oils are when in fact they are all needed as part of a balanced diet. Most vegans I know look like human fossils at 55 and many have died young.

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Crash dieting shows like "The biggest Loser" never work and 99% of the winners eventually gain back all the weight and then some, Erik Chopin who weighed 410lb in the Biggest Loser in 2007, went down to 195lb, he now weighs 550lb. They don't work guys - generally losing over a kg (2lb) a week is hazardous and it is HARD to keep it off. If you shed over 10% of your bodyweight and keep it off, you do it well. These programmes featured supervised exercise and diets, once a person leaves the confines, they retreat back to their old habits and the weight comes back.

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Rickywayne from Heavy, lost 230lb dropping to 300lb in 2011, Rickywayne now weighs 600lb and is near death. Same with lap band surgeries, most of the patients die or become seriously ill within months. The media needs to stop focusing on bad fatties like the Chawners and the fat Kardashian, along with comic characters like Peter Griffin, Fat Albert, Honey Boo Boo, J Bone, Johnny Vegas, those guys in Fat Mechanics and Pawnstars and Don Vito from Viva la Bam. Of course it is mostly the gutter media

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I am not promoting being obese as a lifestyle choice, but once you are, its not that bad, just don't get any fatter. I used to weigh 180lb and had a BMI of about 22 and was constantly sick and eating like a rabbit, now in a sound relationship I bulked up to 250 - 260lb and have a BMI of 35, I have not had a cold in 9 years (Since I got fat after my Mum died), do not have diabetes or heart problems, exercise and eat normally and do noyt take any pills or that sleep apna thing. I feel and look a picture of health, yet I am constantly picked on for being fat and fat jokes abound. Yet at the same time, most people think I am 27. It also helps I do not drink and smoke or do any drugs like many so called vegans and nature life hippies do.

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George, god rest his soul, died from drug abuse complications no doubt, not because he beefed up and it was obvious being from a big boned Greek family, he was never going to be skinny minny. Even his English mother was large. Had he left the druggies and booze alone, he may still be with us and a big happy man.

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Look at the evidence, Winston Churchill a very big man lived to 91. Mickey Rooney made 87, Wilford Brimley is nearly 90 and very fat. Being fat does not mean you will die at 46. What about Taft, he lived well into his 80s and so did Hoover (Herbert, not that homophobic gay negro that ran the FBI). I am big and proud and its time we stopped worshipping health gurus, flash in the pan food science and crash dieting and skeletal looking Auschwitz models like Kate Moss.

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I could exercise more, but still get some and I move around a lot, my mind is fresh and not dull and my personal hygiene is supreme, I also have an IQ of 141, so the stereotypes that all fat people are lazy, stupid, smelly and dull is nonsense! Of course I mean people in the little extra category like having a BMI between 30 - 45, over that and of course your health is in serious danger. Yes I have a liking for chips, but I am not consuming 10,000 calories a day or anything, if anything I eat very erratically and probably snack too much.

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Of course I draw the line at people who are whale sized and look like the people on "My 600lb life" being that weight is fat, same with all these cats who are Immobile and live on a bed or weigh like 1000lb and are on Jerry Springer type shit shows. I mean the moderately obese types like me, not the mega size superchubs. However not the people who think they are fat because they ahve a few curves likeMegan Trainer.

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How many of you are plus sized, and healthy and also proud rather than ashamed of it? Tell me and all you skinnies and health nazis who want to lecture, how do you feel.

then friday may make you emotional... i got jokes.

and as far as shamin goes, you can only feel shamed

if you feel shame... and i'm sure

(since it doesn't affect me) this is a thing that only

fat people and they friends concern theyself with.

and whatever happened to big people bein mad about

bein assumed to be jolly???

i figure people are what they wanna be... as long as

you don't use the "i was born that way" speech. do yo thing.

live yo life...

by tellin other folks what they need to do you actually

infringin on they right to be who they are tho...

Fat people got no reason

Fat people got no reason

Fat people got no reason to live

They make bad food choices, they should eat some fruit

They got big ole smelly butts that go toot, toot, toot

Don't want no fat people

Don't want no fat people

Don't want no fat people round here

Except me!

Obesity is bad.

Seriously? This OP? Yeah, ok. I'm keeping my banners to myself, I'm not waving any here.

As long as you have regular check-ups and your doctor says you're healthy, that's all that matters.

Hudson said:

Apart from RodeoSchro - you guys all SUCK big time, pack of fat hating NAZIS. So I am assuming you are all slender. Really expected more intelligent replies from some one like you Lust.

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KingBAD, well you are just a troll.

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I don't have diabetes, my heart and blood pressure are fine and I am not a glutton. Like Xartman said - screw you guys, I am going home.

lust said:

Where to begin to even unpack all that. Strawmanning: The opposite of fat is not veganism. Evidence: Churchill and Rooney are anecdotes, not data. Fat shaming: As mentioned above, you did it. More strawmanning: Sterotype that fat people are dull? Never heard that one. More strawmanning: No self respecting health professional reccomends crash dieting as a way to fix obesity. The message is unchanged if you ignore all the celebs and shock tv. A balanced healthy diet and exercise as a way of life. You not having diabetes is not evidence that being obese is not unhealthy. The fact is you are at much higher risk of heart disease and diabetes if you are overweight. You say sugars are needed for a healthy diet. Is this a bait and switch? Naturally occurring sugars in fruit and veg is one thing. Refined sugars in cakes and sweets are not needed for a healthy diet. They are demonstrably unhealthy. Data (not anecdotal "I know a vegan who died young") shows us that obesity reduces life expectancy. Does all that mean it's ok to fat shame? No. but giving people the facts so that they can make their own choices about their own health is very important. What you choose to do with that information is up to you. Beyond the drain on the tax payer it's really no one's concern what you do.

Really dumb reply, I don't charge the tax payer anything, and the only time I go to the doctor is for flu shots, which I pay full whack for. But yeah stick to the stereotypes my friend.

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I earn all my own money and pay tax to keep all the solo mother whores with 8 kids to 8 different fathers in nappies and smokes, along with the $100k a year to keep their dead beat men in Priosn, but right bash me.

Adorecream said:

lust said:

Adorecream said:

Really dumb reply, I don't charge the tax payer anything, and the only time I go to the doctor is for flu shots, which I pay full whack for. But yeah stick to the stereotypes my friend.

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I earn all my own money and pay tax to keep all the solo mother whores with 8 kids to 8 different fathers in nappies and smokes, along with the $100k a year to keep their dead beat men in Priosn, but right bash me.

Come down son. For someone who like to flaunt their IQ you still can't comprehend the distinction between anecdote and statistics. I'm not talking about YOUR health because it's not relevant to assertaining the dangers of obesity. That's what data is for and the tax payer spends a fortune on obesity related health issues. Now take a seat. Actually no, go for a walk.

It's okay, you have been defriended.

Adorecream said:

Apart from RodeoSchro - you guys all SUCK big time, pack of fat hating NAZIS. So I am assuming you are all slender. Really expected more intelligent replies from some one like you Lust.

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KingBAD, well you are just a troll.

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I don't have diabetes, my heart and blood pressure are fine and I am not a glutton. Like Xartman said - screw you guys, I am going home.

Thanks! But they don't all suck. I don't think anyone sucks, TBH. One of the great failings of the internet is that inflection never comes across. The typed word many times does not accurately convey what the typist means. That's why I use exclamation points so often. They always make me look positive! I hope!

My experience pretty much everyone on the Org and in real life is positive, so take heart!

I'm not rail-thin (see for yourself on page 2 of the First Org Fitness Thread of 2017!) and yet I have diabetes. For me, it was genetic. Nothing I could do about it, according to my doctor. So I don't assume anyone has this or that based on their body type.

Just make sure you see the doctor regularly, though. While a particular body type isn't a guarantee of some disease, the statistics do bear out that the percentage chance of getting something increases with added weight. My experience has been that no matter what the disease or condition, if it's found out early then usually it's easy to cure.

Keep on keepin' on!

Adorecream said:

Apart from RodeoSchro - you guys all SUCK big time, pack of fat hating NAZIS. So I am assuming you are all slender. Really expected more intelligent replies from some one like you Lust.

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KingBAD, well you are just a troll.

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I don't have diabetes, my heart and blood pressure are fine and I am not a glutton. Like Xartman said - screw you guys, I am going home.

you need to stop whining every time someone doesn't agree with you

Hudson said:

Fat people got no reason

Fat people got no reason

Fat people got no reason to live

They make bad food choices, they should eat some fruit

They got big ole smelly butts that go toot, toot, toot

Don't want no fat people

Don't want no fat people

Don't want no fat people round here

Except me!

asshole...

Adorecream said:

Adorecream said:

Apart from RodeoSchro - you guys all SUCK big time, pack of fat hating NAZIS. So I am assuming you are all slender. Really expected more intelligent replies from some one like you Lust.

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KingBAD, well you are just a troll.

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I don't have diabetes, my heart and blood pressure are fine and I am not a glutton. Like Xartman said - screw you guys, I am going home.

Enough