morningsong said:

kpowers said:

Star Trek is pretty PC as it is, don't over kill it on being PC. I like showing of the Space shuttle Enterprise and yeah the whole Cochrane warp drive ship tie-in is cool. Don't like the song, closing credit song is better.

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Not being PC, there are some uncommonly known truths to the whole US space race. We're good, very very good, but aren't motivated by exploration. And I'll leave it at that. I guess with discovery coming out one better get brushed up on the enterprise universe because i'm sure there'll be all kinds of references that'll go right over my head.

Well I can say that about every other country on this planet. Honestly I do believe there are alot of people in NASA who are in it for the exploration of space. How ever like anything else for it to succeed you need money, and then there is the politics of everything, so there you go. Right now the Space program is kinda of boring. It's all about launching satellites in orbit so we can watch more TV.

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morningsong said:

kpowers said:

I remember hearing that Enterprise took place 80 years before the Original series. Wow yes you are right T'pol is alot older than I thought she was. T'pol was born in 2088 and served on Enterprise from 2151-2161 which would make her 63 years old when she joined the crew. Honestly I have a problem with that. Watching the show T'pol seemed very young and naive. She basicaly was placed on the Enterprise because all the other Vulcans didn't want that. Vulcans are supposed to be much more wise than humans. So for a Vulcan being in their 60's I would expect them to be well seasoned and not green, doesn't help when the actress is in her mid to late 20's. Regardless I don't think it is out of the realm that T'pol could still be alive during Captain Kirk days. We really don't know exactly how long a vulcan can live except they have a much longer life span than humans. Sarek (Spocks father) must be close to 200 when he was on Star Trek the next generation.

You know what I keep thinking 80 years too. But I'm using the wikipedia timeline with enterprise ending in 2155 and JJ verse beginning in 2258

Yeah during the release of Star Trek The Next Generation in 1987 alot of media out lets (like Entertainment tonight and others) reported that Star Trek The Next Generation takes place 80 years after the original series. Right now media outlets are reporting that Star Trek Discovery takes place 10 years before the original series but who know how accurate that is now. For all we know it's more like 27 years. Wikipedia notes that 'Star Trek: The Next Generation' was set in 2364 (and beyond), and that that's “about 100 years after the original series timeframe”. However, the Wikipedia article on The Original Series doesn't state what year it was set in

morningsong said:

kpowers said:

Just got done watching the intro again. Well they wanted to show mans progress to reaching space travel. They open it with a shot of what looks like a Hawaiian vessel crossing the Pacific ocean, then a British HMS ship from the 1800's I guess. After that is almost all American. But let's be honest America did accomplished alot of air and space travel advancements including the first moon landing, first flight at Kityhawk, first flight across the Atlantic. I guess you could show more Russian since the Space race was between Russia and the US. Then they show alot of what NASA could be in the future. I mean what do you want to show??? I guess you could "make up" stuff that the Brazilians and Japanese did in 2067.

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I could make a case, and I guess I'll make a itty bitty one ESA(european space agency), ISS(international space station)

Anyway...

They could have left it generic like all the others with a kind of universal inspiring classical music theme honestly. But the whole Cochrane warp drive ship tie-in is cool though.

Well the intro is only a minute and 20 seconds long and they can't show everything. They mostly wanted to show pioneers and the evolution of ships through out time (not really space station). The ESA(European space agency) formed in 1975 were late on the scene of space exploration. However Europeans have been and well represented through out the Star Trek universe. For Star Trek Enterprise intro most fans hate it or love it. I agree with you about just having a instrumental theme song instead. I actually replaced the opening theme song with the ending credit song instead, I think it works much better.

kpowers said:

kpowers said:

morningsong said:

kpowers said:

Well the intro is only a minute and 20 seconds long and they can't show everything. They mostly wanted to show pioneers and the evolution of ships through out time (not really space station). The ESA(European space agency) formed in 1975 were late on the scene of space exploration. However Europeans have been and well represented through out the Star Trek universe. For Star Trek Enterprise intro most fans hate it or love it. I agree with you about just having a instrumental theme song instead. I actually replaced the opening theme song with the ending credit song instead, I think it works much better.

It's the music, it's terrible and now dated, the end. Oh, I know the fact that an Italian had to get funding from Spain to "explore" because nobody loosens the purse strings for the sake of exploration just to explore. The US despite all it's grandstanding really puts that kind of stuff on the back burner. omg don't make me list the space programs that currently exist around the world today including the 6 countries(soon to be 7) who have actually launched missions into outer space. Remember the US has only set boots on the Moon so far. Almost 50 years ago. S.Korea's planning a Moon landing in 2018. Mars One, swedish based I think, is still talking putting boots on Mars. Regardless whether it's a hoax or not, they are spurring on Lockheed/Martin and Space X to attempt to solve the problems to complete something that large, which in turn is spurring the US politics (money) to get there 1st,which is funding those at NASA who are in it for exploration

Ummm are you forgetting all the Space Shuttle missions, mars rover, Voyager, hubble telescope and so on??????? Plus you are telling me stuff that countries haven't done yet like that is an accoplishment.

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morningsong said:

kpowers said:

Yeah during the release of Star Trek The Next Generation in 1987 alot of media out lets (like Entertainment tonight and others) reported that Star Trek The Next Generation takes place 80 years after the original series. Right now media outlets are reporting that Star Trek Discovery takes place 10 years before the original series but who know how accurate that is now. For all we know it's more like 27 years. Wikipedia notes that 'Star Trek: The Next Generation' was set in 2364 (and beyond), and that that's “about 100 years after the original series timeframe”. However, the Wikipedia article on The Original Series doesn't state what year it was set in

This is what I got "The Constitution-class USS Enterprise (NCC-1701) is launched under the command of Captain Robert April and begins its first 5 year mission. 2245-2250". Looks like "The Cage" is supposed to take place in 2265, "The year is 2254 – eleven years before Captain Kirk's five-year mission commanding the USS Enterprise. Two weeks after a battle on Rigel VII that took the life of three Enterprise crewmen, including Captain Christopher Pike's yeoman, the ship encounters a space distortion on a collision course. It turns out to be an old radio distress signal, "keyed to cause interference and attract attention." The crew says it was sent eighteen years earlier from the Talos star group. Pike declines to investigate without any indication of survivors but proceeds to the Vega colony to care for the crew's own injuries." "Star Trek: Enterprise (originally titled Enterprise until Season 3) is the fifth live-action TV series set in the Star Trek universe and the sixth in total. Created by Rick Berman and Brannon Braga, and based upon Gene Roddenberry's classic 1966 Star Trek (and its subsequent spin-offs), Enterprise was a "prequel", set a century before the time of Kirk and Spock." [Edited 9/17/16 23:20pm]

morningsong said:

kpowers said:

Well the intro is only a minute and 20 seconds long and they can't show everything. They mostly wanted to show pioneers and the evolution of ships through out time (not really space station). The ESA(European space agency) formed in 1975 were late on the scene of space exploration. However Europeans have been and well represented through out the Star Trek universe. For Star Trek Enterprise intro most fans hate it or love it. I agree with you about just having a instrumental theme song instead. I actually replaced the opening theme song with the ending credit song instead, I think it works much better.

It's the music, it's terrible and now dated, the end. Oh, I know the fact that an Italian had to get funding from Spain to "explore" because nobody loosens the purse strings for the sake of exploration just to explore. The US despite all it's grandstanding really puts that kind of stuff on the back burner. omg don't make me list the space programs that currently exist around the world today including the 6 countries(soon to be 7) who have actually launched missions into outer space. Remember the US has only set boots on the Moon so far. Almost 50 years ago. S.Korea's planning a Moon landing in 2018. Mars One, swedish based I think, is still talking putting boots on Mars. Regardless whether it's a hoax or not, they are spurring on Lockheed/Martin and Space X to attempt to solve the problems to complete something that large, which in turn is spurring the US politics (money) to get there 1st,which is funding those at NASA who are in it for exploration

It was dated then

kpowers said:

What is your thoughts of them sending out the Voyager probe, telling Aliens hey here we are. Yeah I know Aliens know about Earth, plus all are TV signals are being shot out into Space. But still you don't know who might answer that message

kpowers said:

morningsong said:

kpowers said:

What is your thoughts of them sending out the Voyager probe, telling Aliens hey here we are. Yeah I know Aliens know about Earth, plus all are TV signals are being shot out into Space. But still you don't know who might answer that message

I have no problems with it, Voyager won't be leaving our full solar system for a few thousand years, that's how big it is out there. Our first radio shows have travelled farther and in a full spherical distance, many times beyond our solar system already, it's too late now. But then again it is almost unimaginably large out there those waves could travel for thounsands of year before anyone pays attention or cares.

Well an Alien race with inter-dimensional drive could come across Voyager way sooner, but yeah think Aliens have been visiting Earth for thousands of years.

kpowers said:

morningsong said:

kpowers said: I have no problems with it, Voyager won't be leaving our full solar system for a few thousand years, that's how big it is out there. Our first radio shows have travelled farther and in a full spherical distance, many times beyond our solar system already, it's too late now. But then again it is almost unimaginably large out there those waves could travel for thounsands of year before anyone pays attention or cares.

Well an Alien race with inter-dimensional drive could come across Voyager way sooner, but yeah think Aliens have been visiting Earth for thousands of years.

That's just it, if an Alien finds Voyager, then they would know we are here because they would be in our neighborhood and they'd detect a ton of signals and energy output coming from this planet, heck they'd see our city lights in space if they looked. There's no valid reason for them to bother us outside of observation unless they were the Borg, then it's oh well not much we could do. There's no resources here that they couldn't get from a billion other places in the galaxy. Our freaking oil reserves wouldn't interest anyone that advance. They wouldn't need our labor because they'd be able to build machines that would exceed our abilities. We couldn't exchange ideas, we're not technologically advanced enough to be that interesting to such space travellers. They could observe without us ever knowing. I highly doubt it but I can accept the possibility of a bit of alien curiousity. I think we're on our own until the Vulcans take interest.

A friend of yours kpowers

morningsong said:

kpowers said:

Well an Alien race with inter-dimensional drive could come across Voyager way sooner, but yeah think Aliens have been visiting Earth for thousands of years.

That's just it, if an Alien finds Voyager, then they would know we are here because they would be in our neighborhood and they'd detect a ton of signals and energy output coming from this planet, heck they'd see our city lights in space if they looked. There's no valid reason for them to bother us outside of observation unless they were the Borg, then it's oh well not much we could do. There's no resources here that they couldn't get from a billion other places in the galaxy. Our freaking oil reserves wouldn't interest anyone that advance. They wouldn't need our labor because they'd be able to build machines that would exceed our abilities. We couldn't exchange ideas, we're not technologically advanced enough to be that interesting to such space travellers. They could observe without us ever knowing. I highly doubt it but I can accept the possibility of a bit of alien curiousity. I think we're on our own until the Vulcans take interest.

I always kind of had a feeling that Alien races came together and made rules about the Earth. I bet the agreement among the Aliens races is that they can only observe Earth and it's progress. Avoid contact, if contact is made wipe our memories. There has been talk (through hypnosis that Aliens are taking our DNA and using it because their population is dying) Hey do not rule out they may want the Earth because their planet is dying or maybe it might get destroyed by a supernova. But in our life time I highly doubt we would have to worry about that. Dam those Aliens and their anal probes. I wonder if they enjoy watching our TV programs.

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morningsong said:

A friend of yours kpowers

there's Olly, been looking for him. That's a bad kitty cat.

kpowers said:

morningsong said:

That's just it, if an Alien finds Voyager, then they would know we are here because they would be in our neighborhood and they'd detect a ton of signals and energy output coming from this planet, heck they'd see our city lights in space if they looked. There's no valid reason for them to bother us outside of observation unless they were the Borg, then it's oh well not much we could do. There's no resources here that they couldn't get from a billion other places in the galaxy. Our freaking oil reserves wouldn't interest anyone that advance. They wouldn't need our labor because they'd be able to build machines that would exceed our abilities. We couldn't exchange ideas, we're not technologically advanced enough to be that interesting to such space travellers. They could observe without us ever knowing. I highly doubt it but I can accept the possibility of a bit of alien curiousity. I think we're on our own until the Vulcans take interest.

I always kind of had a feeling that Alien races came together and made rules about the Earth. I bet the agreement among the Aliens races is that they can only observe Earth and it's progress. Avoid contact, if contact is made wipe our memories. There has been talk (through hypnosis that Aliens are taking our DNA and using it because their population is dying) Hey do not rule out they may want the Earth because their planet is dying or maybe it might get destroyed by a supernova. But in our life time I highly doubt we would have to worry about that. Dam those Aliens and their anal probes. I wonder if they enjoy watching our TV programs.

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I could go with most of that. I mean we don't know how common life is, let alone complex life, so that could cause interest, and dna is a big question mark, is it universal or an oddity on this planet? But this planet itself doesn't have anything that couldn't be scavanged in a billion other solar systems, it's made of the same stuff that's scattered all over the galaxy, I'll even say the universe. If they could figure out how to travel these distances I bet they could terraform a number of planets to suit their needs, long before they get here. You know if somebody tried to take this one from us, we'd know how to f*** it up real good. Ain't nobody just going to walk in a take it without some serious damage being done.

morningsong said:

kpowers said:

I always kind of had a feeling that Alien races came together and made rules about the Earth. I bet the agreement among the Aliens races is that they can only observe Earth and it's progress. Avoid contact, if contact is made wipe our memories. There has been talk (through hypnosis that Aliens are taking our DNA and using it because their population is dying) Hey do not rule out they may want the Earth because their planet is dying or maybe it might get destroyed by a supernova. But in our life time I highly doubt we would have to worry about that. Dam those Aliens and their anal probes. I wonder if they enjoy watching our TV programs.

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I could go with most of that. I mean we don't know how common life is, let alone complex life, so that could cause interest, and dna is a big question mark, is it universal or an oddity on this planet? But this planet itself doesn't have anything that couldn't be scavanged in a billion other solar systems, it's made of the same stuff that's scattered all over the galaxy, I'll even say the universe. If they could figure out how to travel these distances I bet they could terraform a number of planets to suit their needs, long before they get here. You know if somebody tried to take this one from us, we'd know how to f*** it up real good. Ain't nobody just going to walk in a take it without some serious damage being done.

That's true but then again what if other Alien races have claimed certain areas of the Galaxy as theirs so that would be an issue. I'm sure there are Aliens more advance then other Aliens. Yes maybe they can travel Billions of miles but not Billlions and Billlions and Billions of miles just to fit their needs. But we will never know (and I don't want to know).

kpowers said:

morningsong said:

I could go with most of that. I mean we don't know how common life is, let alone complex life, so that could cause interest, and dna is a big question mark, is it universal or an oddity on this planet? But this planet itself doesn't have anything that couldn't be scavanged in a billion other solar systems, it's made of the same stuff that's scattered all over the galaxy, I'll even say the universe. If they could figure out how to travel these distances I bet they could terraform a number of planets to suit their needs, long before they get here. You know if somebody tried to take this one from us, we'd know how to f*** it up real good. Ain't nobody just going to walk in a take it without some serious damage being done.

That's true but then again what if other Alien races have claimed certain areas of the Galaxy as theirs so that would be an issue. I'm sure there are Aliens more advance then other Aliens. Yes maybe they can travel Billions of miles but not Billlions and Billlions and Billions of miles just to fit their needs. But we will never know (and I don't want to know).

Na, we've advance far enough that we can detect thousands of solar systems with our meager abilities, if they can travel faster than light, heck many many times faster, then they would see more than we are seeing now. And they would be able to take control of it and pretty much make it do what they want. IIRC our solar system is approx 186 billion miles long. So yeah, anybody traveling the galaxy would have to be able to travel billions and billions and billions of miles, in a lifetime.

morningsong said:

kpowers said:

That's true but then again what if other Alien races have claimed certain areas of the Galaxy as theirs so that would be an issue. I'm sure there are Aliens more advance then other Aliens. Yes maybe they can travel Billions of miles but not Billlions and Billlions and Billions of miles just to fit their needs. But we will never know (and I don't want to know).

Na, we've advance far enough that we can detect thousands of solar systems with our meager abilities, if they can travel faster than light, heck many many times faster, then they would see more than we are seeing now. And they would be able to take control of it and pretty much make it do what they want. IIRC our solar system is approx 186 billion miles long. So yeah, anybody traveling the galaxy would have to be able to travel billions and billions and billions of miles, in a lifetime.

Maybe, but honestly I can't say yes or no to that. Just saying at the time of the TV show Enterprise takes place. Let's say there are no Vulcans or any other race helping humans in Space Travel. Enterprise under command of Archer has the ability to travel billions of miles. Now if the Earth was dying honestly at this point in human evolution technlogy wise Earth would be doomed, Enterprise crew maybe able to find a new home but everyone else would die.

kpowers said:

morningsong said:

Na, we've advance far enough that we can detect thousands of solar systems with our meager abilities, if they can travel faster than light, heck many many times faster, then they would see more than we are seeing now. And they would be able to take control of it and pretty much make it do what they want. IIRC our solar system is approx 186 billion miles long. So yeah, anybody traveling the galaxy would have to be able to travel billions and billions and billions of miles, in a lifetime.

Maybe, but honestly I can't say yes or no to that. Just saying at the time of the TV show Enterprise takes place. Let's say there are no Vulcans or any other race helping humans in Space Travel. Enterprise under command of Archer has the ability to travel billions of miles. Now if the Earth was dying honestly at this point in human evolution technlogy wise Earth would be doomed, Enterprise crew maybe able to find a new home but everyone else would die.

Oh my gawd. I need to put the grumpy cat picture here. You've doomed all humanity.

There are moons in our solar system that could sustain us with the right technology, I mean once we get out there and learn, we wouldn't be that doomed. That was the whole point of that globe looking tomorrowland inceptions thing was suppose to represent, with the right tech you can build your own world.

morningsong said:

kpowers said:

Maybe, but honestly I can't say yes or no to that. Just saying at the time of the TV show Enterprise takes place. Let's say there are no Vulcans or any other race helping humans in Space Travel. Enterprise under command of Archer has the ability to travel billions of miles. Now if the Earth was dying honestly at this point in human evolution technlogy wise Earth would be doomed, Enterprise crew maybe able to find a new home but everyone else would die.

Oh my gawd. I need to put the grumpy cat picture here. You've doomed all humanity.

There are moons in our solar system that could sustain us with the right technology, I mean once we get out there and learn, we wouldn't be that doomed. That was the whole point of that globe looking tomorrowland inceptions thing was suppose to represent, with the right tech you can build your own world.

Well not everyone

You silly.



Capt. James Kirk, skipper of the future USS Zumwalt, stands in front of the destroyer at Bath Iron Works on Tuesday, Sept. 6, 2016, in Bath, Maine.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/...-41911085

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1 billion stars.


Italy from outer space.

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morningsong said:

You silly.



Capt. James Kirk, skipper of the future USS Zumwalt, stands in front of the destroyer at Bath Iron Works on Tuesday, Sept. 6, 2016, in Bath, Maine.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/...-41911085

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Wow, he was born to be Captain Kirk, guess he hears it alot.

It was his destiny.

God imagine him in school.

morningsong said:

It was his destiny.

God imagine him in school.

Wonder if there is a real Doctor out there named Leonard McCoy

kpowers said: