Is anyone wathing the ESPN Oj Documentary?

I saw part 1 last night. I had no idea Oj was that big back in the 60/70's.

This is a really interesting show.

Part II is tonight.

I'd seen the commercials for this and had decided that I wasn't even going to bother looking at it, mainly because I'm absolutely sick of OJ, the trial, his idiotic downfall, etc. However, after hearing Stephen A.'s opinion on Part I, it sort of changed my mind and made me want to watch it. Are they going to re-air Part I right before Part II comes on tonight?

missfee said:

I'd seen the commercials for this and had decided that I wasn't even going to bother looking at it, mainly because I'm absolutely sick of OJ, the trial, his idiotic downfall, etc. However, after hearing Stephen A.'s opinion on Part I, it sort of changed my mind and made me want to watch it. Are they going to re-air Part I right before Part II comes on tonight?

Yes.

Graycap23 said:

missfee said:

I'd seen the commercials for this and had decided that I wasn't even going to bother looking at it, mainly because I'm absolutely sick of OJ, the trial, his idiotic downfall, etc. However, after hearing Stephen A.'s opinion on Part I, it sort of changed my mind and made me want to watch it. Are they going to re-air Part I right before Part II comes on tonight?

Yes.

Ok, cool I'll check it out.

How much OJ do we need?

Damn, talk about a media obsession. Now we know why Muslims hate us.

babynoz said:

How much OJ do we need?

A Negroe who beat the system.

They will NEVER stop talking about this.

Graycap23 said:

babynoz said:

How much OJ do we need?

A Negroe who beat the system.

They will NEVER stop talking about this.

I get that but they already did a remake of the OJ trial into an actual series!!!! Was this documentary even necessesary after that? I dont get this obsession with shaming this man. The damage was done over 20 years ago. White people are never going to let this go.

Found Part 2 interesting. It goes more indepth of the events that lead up to the '92 L.A. riots. I wasn't but 10 years old then...I remember watching the riots on the news for sure and the L.A.P.D. ruling of the Rodney King beating but I never knew about the teenage girl blatantly killed by the Korean liquor store owner. That was very bothersome to see.

Graycap23 said:

Is anyone wathing the ESPN Oj Documentary?

I saw part 1 last night. I had no idea Oj was that big back in the 60/70's.

This is a really interesting show.

Part II is tonight.

Either you are young or dont know football or both.

missfee said:

After watching part 1, wow, he sure was full of himself and made sure that he helped ONLY himself. Dude was a complete sellout. [Edited 6/14/16 18:40pm]

Thank you. Jim Brown will tell you about OJ.....mfer never gave a damn about black folks.

FUNKYNESS said:

Graycap23 said:

Is anyone wathing the ESPN Oj Documentary?

I saw part 1 last night. I had no idea Oj was that big back in the 60/70's.

This is a really interesting show.

Part II is tonight.

Either you are young or dont know football or both.

Lol.............I was 5 years old when Oj was a college star.

I didn't start watching or playing football until 1975 and I was a Bears fan.

phunkdaddy said:

Anybody besides me believe O.J either paid someone or had help committing these murders? I don't think he did this alone. He sure as hell put on a facade that was different from his home life. Can't believe dude was that obsessed and controlling. He sure as hell did his first wife a favor. She was hot in the 70's.

Wasn't it crazy about his "two faces"? 1000% narcissist. On one of the 911 calls they aired, you could hear him crystal clear in the background cursing out Nicole. But didn't his first wife say that he never abused her? If true, then it's wild to think that the more fame he got the more his personality changed for the worse.

missfee said:

phunkdaddy said:

Anybody besides me believe O.J either paid someone or had help committing these murders? I don't think he did this alone. He sure as hell put on a facade that was different from his home life. Can't believe dude was that obsessed and controlling. He sure as hell did his first wife a favor. She was hot in the 70's.

Wasn't it crazy about his "two faces"? 1000% narcissist. On one of the 911 calls they aired, you could hear him crystal clear in the background cursing out Nicole. But didn't his first wife say that he never abused her? If true, then it's wild to think that the more fame he got the more his personality changed for the worse.

It could also mean that Nicole played a role in the violence.

uPtoWnNY said:

missfee said:

After watching part 1, wow, he sure was full of himself and made sure that he helped ONLY himself. Dude was a complete sellout. [Edited 6/14/16 18:40pm]

Thank you. Jim Brown will tell you about OJ.....mfer never gave a damn about black folks.

O.J. can get in a long line, a lot of Black folks don't give a damn about themselves let alone our community. Painful to admit, but there it is. Those who'll make it, will make it,and those who don't, won't. I never thought I feel that way... human condition, personal foibles ,may be our accumulative tortured history has all been too much for a significant % of our people . I don't know, I try not to think about it that often cuz all do is get upset. You can beg, push or will others to do what you think is in their best interest. Its a cold frosty World, if you can't get it together or cope... you will be killed one way or another.

I haven't seen to doc and have no interest to do so. OJ never liked what he saw in the mirror... same ol' same ol'.

TD3 said:

uPtoWnNY said:

Thank you. Jim Brown will tell you about OJ.....mfer never gave a damn about black folks.

O.J. can get in a long line, a lot of Black folks don't give a damn about themselves let alone our community. Painful to admit, but there it is. Those who'll make it, will make it,and those who don't, won't. I never thought I feel that way... human condition, personal foibles ,may be our accumulative tortured history has all been too much for a significant % of our people . I don't know, I try not to think about it that often cuz all do is get upset. You can beg, push or will others to do what you think is in their best interest. Its a cold frosty World, if you can't get it together or cope... you will be killed one way or another.

I haven't seen to doc and have no interest to do so. OJ never liked what he saw in the mirror... same ol' same ol'.

I hear that.

This doc is about more than Oj though. It's about Race relations since he showed up on the scene in L.A. and his relationship (or lack there of) to those race relations. I'm not and have never been an Oj fan, but I find this series very interesting despite it being about Oj.

Graycap23 said:

TD3 said:

O.J. can get in a long line, a lot of Black folks don't give a damn about themselves let alone our community. Painful to admit, but there it is. Those who'll make it, will make it,and those who don't, won't. I never thought I feel that way... human condition, personal foibles ,may be our accumulative tortured history has all been too much for a significant % of our people . I don't know, I try not to think about it that often cuz all do is get upset. You can beg, push or will others to do what you think is in their best interest. Its a cold frosty World, if you can't get it together or cope... you will be killed one way or another.

I haven't seen to doc and have no interest to do so. OJ never liked what he saw in the mirror... same ol' same ol'.

I hear that.

This doc is about more than Oj though. It's about Race relations since he showed up on the scene in L.A. and his relationship (or lack there of) to those race relations. I'm not and have never been an Oj fan, but I find this series very interesting despite it being about Oj.

very interesting indeed

Not really into OJ, he was ok in The Towering Inferno and The Naked Gun films......it just exploitation at this point on both sides.

Part 3 was kind of meh. Mostly about the murders and the bronco chase. For me, nothing new was really gained. I started part 4 but haven't finished watching yet...this part of course goes indepth into the trial. It has it's funny moments, especially when it goes into Cochran annilhilating Darden in the courtroom.

[Edited 6/16/16 4:56am]

Graycap23 said:

missfee said:

Wasn't it crazy about his "two faces"? 1000% narcissist. On one of the 911 calls they aired, you could hear him crystal clear in the background cursing out Nicole. But didn't his first wife say that he never abused her? If true, then it's wild to think that the more fame he got the more his personality changed for the worse.

It could also mean that Nicole played a role in the violence.

Not to make any excuses for O.J. beating his wife Nicole, but this is where may have have been suffering the effects of CTE, which we know from the widows of players who have died young or taken their own lives that they suffered from impulse control, violent mood swings, memory lapses, etc. Taken in that context, plus the fact that O.J. naturally sought adoration from fans and was a serial womanizer, and something bad was bound to happen in his life, whether it was being accused of murder or some other calamity.

As for saying Nicole played a role in her own domestic violence, that's basically blaming the victim. As mentioned in the documentary, O.J. Was cheating on her repeatedly, and Nicole was right to get pissed off at him for his infidelity.

728huey said:

Graycap23 said:

babynoz said:

How much OJ do we need?

A Negroe who beat the system.

They will NEVER stop talking about this.

With all due [dis]respect to Bill Cosby, The OJ Simpson Murder Trial, NOT The Cosby Show, is more the credit/blame for the existence of U.S. President Barack Obama.

Read between the lines of what I just said and you will understand.

[Edited 6/16/16 22:57pm]

So I finished watching all parts (since they are all on demand now). My take away:

1. OJ is basically a conman and master manipulator. Plain and simple.

2. Although I wasn't but 13 years old at the time of the verdict of the murder trial, I was happy that OJ got off, however, NOW I feel pretty stupid. The people who cheered for him, he could've cared less about. The trial was really about exposing the LAPD, which was huge. They needed to be exposed. Though it was actually at the expense of the murder victims, which is pretty sad.

3. As if selling out to his own people wasn't bad enough, after white society rejected him when he was acquitted in the murder trial, all of a sudden he had found his "blackness" and started speaking in churches talking about God. GIVE.ME.A.BREAK. I found it to be totally disturbing.

4. Yeah he killed her. Straight up. Before I wasn't sure, just thought that he was pretty dumb, even thought that maybe he hired hitmen or something to carry out the deed...hell no, he did it himself and it was 100% premeditated. And it's not anything anyone has said in the docu that convinced me, it was the raw footage of him before and after that made things clear.

5. I feel sorry for his children...all of them. I hope that they are doing their best to lead normal lives as best that they can.

6. He was obsessed with fame and a major attention whore. The music video of him dressed as a pimp and rapping?....no words.

7. The whole robbery in Vegas? Amateur night. And it's totally amazing how after everything he had gotten away with, that he truly believed that he would get away with that too. It's payment for not getting the sentence that he should've received in the first place. He deserves everything that has come to him.

missfee said:

So I finished watching all parts (since they are all on demand now). My take away:

1. OJ is basically a conman and master manipulator. Plain and simple.

2. Although I wasn't but 13 years old at the time of the verdict of the murder trial, I was happy that OJ got off, however, NOW I feel pretty stupid. The people who cheered for him, he could've cared less about. The trial was really about exposing the LAPD, which was huge. They needed to be exposed. Though it was actually at the expense of the murder victims, which is pretty sad.

3. As if selling out to his own people wasn't bad enough, after white society rejected him when he was acquitted in the murder trial, all of a sudden he had found his "blackness" and started speaking in churches talking about God. GIVE.ME.A.BREAK. I found it to be totally disturbing.

4. Yeah he killed her. Straight up. Before I wasn't sure, just thought that he was pretty dumb, even thought that maybe he hired hitmen or something to carry out the deed...hell no, he did it himself and it was 100% premeditated. And it's not anything anyone has said in the docu that convinced me, it was the raw footage of him before and after that made things clear.

5. I feel sorry for his children...all of them. I hope that they are doing their best to lead normal lives as best that they can.

6. He was obsessed with fame and a major attention whore. The music video of him dressed as a pimp and rapping?....no words.

7. The whole robbery in Vegas? Amateur night. And it's totally amazing how after everything he had gotten away with, that he truly believed that he would get away with that too. It's payment for not getting the sentence that he should've received in the first place. He deserves everything that has come to him.

Interesting take.

I have not seen part 4 and 5 yet.

Graycap23 said:

missfee said:

So I finished watching all parts (since they are all on demand now). My take away:

1. OJ is basically a conman and master manipulator. Plain and simple.

2. Although I wasn't but 13 years old at the time of the verdict of the murder trial, I was happy that OJ got off, however, NOW I feel pretty stupid. The people who cheered for him, he could've cared less about. The trial was really about exposing the LAPD, which was huge. They needed to be exposed. Though it was actually at the expense of the murder victims, which is pretty sad.

3. As if selling out to his own people wasn't bad enough, after white society rejected him when he was acquitted in the murder trial, all of a sudden he had found his "blackness" and started speaking in churches talking about God. GIVE.ME.A.BREAK. I found it to be totally disturbing.

4. Yeah he killed her. Straight up. Before I wasn't sure, just thought that he was pretty dumb, even thought that maybe he hired hitmen or something to carry out the deed...hell no, he did it himself and it was 100% premeditated. And it's not anything anyone has said in the docu that convinced me, it was the raw footage of him before and after that made things clear.

5. I feel sorry for his children...all of them. I hope that they are doing their best to lead normal lives as best that they can.

6. He was obsessed with fame and a major attention whore. The music video of him dressed as a pimp and rapping?....no words.

7. The whole robbery in Vegas? Amateur night. And it's totally amazing how after everything he had gotten away with, that he truly believed that he would get away with that too. It's payment for not getting the sentence that he should've received in the first place. He deserves everything that has come to him.

Interesting take.

I have not seen part 4 and 5 yet.

That's another thing, I wished they could've tried to compact this into a 3 part series instead of 5, though I do understand how it happened this way...they probably have so much footage. After watching this all week, I feel a bit stir-crazy.

I wasn't gonna watch it, but with all this discussion here I might actually sit down and check it out(it sounds alot like a similar doco I watched last year on Lance Armstrong about his rise and fall (Called The Armstrong Lie). Here in oz its gonna be screened on Tuesday nght on ESPN, do they talk about his endorsements and film career?

missfee said:

phunkdaddy said:

Anybody besides me believe O.J either paid someone or had help committing these murders? I don't think he did this alone. He sure as hell put on a facade that was different from his home life. Can't believe dude was that obsessed and controlling. He sure as hell did his first wife a favor. She was hot in the 70's.

Wasn't it crazy about his "two faces"? 1000% narcissist. On one of the 911 calls they aired, you could hear him crystal clear in the background cursing out Nicole. But didn't his first wife say that he never abused her? If true, then it's wild to think that the more fame he got the more his personality changed for the worse.

Meshell Ndegeocello wrote a song, a verse went like this...

"Baby is the love or is this confusion?" Did adulation, fame, and everyone kissing Simpson ass change him? I'm sure it did...

So, let say some stuff that nobody wants to hear or admit. Sexual politics between men, especially between black men and white men. Jim Brown has admitted he and other pro sports, entertainers, and Black men in the public eye, "fucked around with white women" to get under the skin of white men. Jack Johnson - "fucked around with white women" and he too was abusive - for the same reason. Jake Johnson paid a heavy price.That's why when Joe Louise was given a shot at the heavy weight title -- Mr. Louise was told he in no uncertain terms, never be seen in the company of white women.

Am I saying all inter-racial relationship are based on confusion, by no means. Am I saying Black men don't beat Black women? Nope. OJ ain't all that different than some Black men, then or now. Narcissist are some of the most thin skinned, pathologically insecure people on earth. For all the success, the wealth, the public adulation Simpson craved, especially from white people, he couldn't escape what he saw in the mirror when he shaved. The fame, the money, his trophy white wife,... couldn't replace the anger of not wanting to be Black, and knowing he wasn't really being accepted by whites. Simpson took all that rage out on that poor women by beating her ass on a weekly bases.

I saw the director Mr. Ezra Edelman on MSNBC Chris Hayes show. One of the things that surprised me, Mr. Edelman appeared to be shocked or wasn't fully aware of the history or the relationship between L.A. PD and Black's. I find this surprising since his mother and father were prominent in The Civil Rights Movement. Mr. Edelman said after doing researching for his doc, he concluded much hasn't changed. Shoud "we" be surprised?

I don't know how far Edelman went back in history to explain the relationship of L.A. PD, the justice system and police ability to beat and kill Black people without impunity. By post WW II, L.A. PD was already a para-military police force. The roots of L.A.'s para-military police force came to be because of these two events:

1. The Mexican Repatriation Act (1928-36)

2. Oklahoma Dust Bowel (1933-39)

When Black began to migrating westward for WW II jobs and post WWII jobs, L.A. PD was already well versed in police brutality and violating US Constitutional rights / Civil Liberties.

Again, the sale out tag that OJ gets... its a long line. When you don't tell your children the truth, you've sold out. (IMHO)

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