TD3 said:

missfee said:

Wasn't it crazy about his "two faces"? 1000% narcissist. On one of the 911 calls they aired, you could hear him crystal clear in the background cursing out Nicole. But didn't his first wife say that he never abused her? If true, then it's wild to think that the more fame he got the more his personality changed for the worse.

Meshell Ndegeocello wrote a song, a verse of the song lyrics went like this...

"Baby is the love or is this confusion?" Did adulation, fame, and everyone kissing Simpson ass change him? I'm sure it did...

So, let say some stuff that nobody wants to hear or admit. Sexual politics between men, especially between black men and white men. Jim Brown has admitted he and other pro sports, entertainers, and Black men in the public eye, "fucked around with white women" to get under the skin of white men. Jack Johnson - "fucked around with white women" and he too was abusive - for the same reason. Jake Johnson paid a heavy price.That's why when Joe Louise was given a shot at the heavy weight title -- Mr. Louise was told he in no uncertain terms, never be seen in the company of white women, especially in public..

Am I saying all inter-racial relationship are based on confusion, by no means. Am I saying Black men don't beat Black women? Nope. OJ ain't all that different than some Black men, then or now. Narcissist are some of the most thin skinned, pathologically insecure people on earth. For all the success, the wealth, the public adulation Simpson craved, especially from white people. Still, OJ couldn't escape what he was when he shaved in the mirror.. The fame, money, his trophy white wife,... couldn't replace the anger or the shame of being Black and not wanting to be Black, and knowing he wasn't really being accepted by whites. Simpson took all that rage out on that poor women by beating her ass on a weekly bases.

I saw the director Mr. Ezra Edelman on MSNBC Chris Hayes show. One of the things that surprised me, Mr. Edelman appeared to be shocked or wasn't fully aware of the history or the relationship between L.A. PD and Black's. I find this surprising since his mother and father were prominent in The Civil Rights Movement. Mr. Edelman said after doing researching for his doc, he concluded much hasn't changed. No, it hasn't

I don't know how far Edelman went back in history to explain the relationship of L.A. PD, the justice system and police ability to beat and kill Black people without impunity. By post WW II, L.A. PD was already a para-military police force. The roots of L.A.'s para-military police force came to be because of these two events:

1. The Mexican Repatriation Act (1928-36)

2. Oklahoma Dust Bowel (1933-39)

When Black began to migrating westward for WW II jobs and post WWII jobs, L.A. PD was already well versed in police brutality and violating US Constitutional rights / Civil Liberties.

Again, sale out tag that OJ gets... its a long line. When you don't tell your children the truth, you've sold out. (IMHO)

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Nice.

Goddess4Real said:

MSNBC did two seperate segments on it last night? That is sick. Our media is lame as shit.

phunkdaddy said:

missfee said:

Goddess4Real said:

I wasn't gonna watch it, but with all this discussion here I might actually sit down and check it out(it sounds alot like a similar doco I watched last year on Lance Armstrong about his rise and fall (Called The Armstrong Lie). Here in oz its gonna be screened on Tuesday nght on ESPN, do they talk about his endorsements and film career?

Yes.

Thanks I'm gonna watch it.

Becuz I was home Saturday night I watched parts 4 & 5 (I did not see 1 thru 3)...I did not see the O.J. FX Mini-series that will prolly Sweep the Emmys this year.....At this point I think America is worn out on all-things-O.J. Simpson..Will we have to see more O.J. in 2017?...In the end he came full-circle and ended up in Prison...O.J. was his own worst enemy and we did not need 10hrs of Film to understand that....The Docu-series Producer is Ezra Edelman, the son of the GREAT Marian Wright Edelman...I wonder is she watched it?

I've watched the 1st 4 episodes of the ESPN-OJ series. I'll try to watch the last episode (pt 5) sometime by the end of this week.

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for me, this OJ documentary is a fascinating flashback. I was 5 during OJ's 2000-yard rushing season in '73. I actually remember people going on & on about this "OJ". I liked (OJ in) the Naked Gun movies - especially the last 1 33 1/3, I think it was..

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I was in my mid-20s when the "trial of the century took place". I wasn't sure (back then) if he did it or not. with time - & watching this documentary now, I think he did it. the LA police - in their arrogance &/or incompetence - messed up the investigation in so many ways. Johnnie Cochran was OJ's ace in the hole, his ringer. the day OJ got Johnnie on that legal "dream team" was, in fact, the day OJ was acquitted of the charges.

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the 4th episode of this documentary was brutal for me to watch. & listen to. those photos of Nicole, the coroner's descriptions.. ugh. I could barely listen to those. an unbelievable horrible way to die for 2 people who obviously didn't deserve it.

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as for OJ today, I think it's a case of "what goes around comes around". I could see/understand him being highly motivated to want to escape - forever - the rough, on-the-streets childhood he had; football was obviously his ticket out of that life. somewhere though, he definitely lost who he was & where he came from. football was his ticket out of that life he wanted to get away from. but then, the fame, his arrogance & huge sense of entitlement eventually put him right back to a condition he was trying to get away from - prison. can't help but wonder how OJ's life would have been different had he kept some semblence of a "normal" celebrity life - had he stayed with his 1st wife, sought/gotten less fame..

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watching parts of this documentary also reminded me of the several funny takes comedian PAUL MOONEY did on OJ back in the 90s. seeing Johnnie Cochran also reminded me of Phil Morris doing "Jackie Chiles" on Seinfeld.

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many valuable life lessons can be drawn from this documentary - most of them apparent enough that I won't mention them here. for that reason alone (but as well as the reminder of how "hyped up this trial became - pre-social media) this documentary is worth watching.

2freaky4church1 said:

Damn, talk about a media obsession. Now we know why Muslims hate us.

And that is the same reason the rest of the world hates Muslims

missfee said:

thetimefan said:

UK ESPN/BT Sports is very behind in showing the 30 for 30 docs, but they are definitely all worth checking out. Before I just watched the soccer, boxing, college football & basketball, NBA & the NFL related ones but now I check them all out. Once they show the OJ ones I'll check them out too. Kinda off topic but one doc which should be interesting and will be their first documentary on pro-wrestling is the one about Ric Flair. I assume they'll go along with a storyline motif similar to Randy 'The Ram' of the Wrestler. Out of the pro-wrestlers still with us today, I think Ric's story would be the most interesting. Another guy which would have been a great topic is Andre, there's also the whole Giant/ 'Andre has a posse' thing too which would have made an interesting narrative. There's also a lot of Andre's story which hasn't been heard before. I think the Biography channel did a documentary about him once which WWE released on home video but I think a 2 hour 30 for 30 doc would do him more justice. He's probably best known for non-fans as being in the Princess Bride.

Very true. I checked out the 30 for 30 talking about Reggie Miller vs. The New York Knicks in the mid-90's. It quite hiliarious and brought back a lot of memories. The NBA was so fun and exciting back then. Another 30 for 30 that I love to watch is "This Magic Moment" talking about the Orlando Magic during the Shaq and Penny Hardaway era. Folks don't talk about Penny Hardaway anymore, which is a shame because he really rose to the top quickly and due to injuries, was forgotten in the same warp speed. Everyone talks about Kobe and Shaq, but before there was a Kobe and Shaq, there was Penny and Shaq.

missfee said:

3. As if selling out to his own people wasn't bad enough, after white society rejected him when he was acquitted in the murder trial, all of a sudden he had found his "blackness" and started speaking in churches talking about God. GIVE.ME.A.BREAK. I found it to be totally disturbing.

Yeah, how ridiculous was that? Just as ridiculous as seeing black women carrying signs marching for his dumb ass.

missfee said:

Another 30 for 30 that I love to watch is "This Magic Moment" talking about the Orlando Magic during the Shaq and Penny Hardaway era. Folks don't talk about Penny Hardaway anymore, which is a shame because he really rose to the top quickly and due to injuries, was forgotten in the same warp speed. Everyone talks about Kobe and Shaq, but before there was a Kobe and Shaq, there was Penny and Shaq.

They could have been the next dynasty after the Bulls. Penny was that good.

uPtoWnNY said:

missfee said:

Another 30 for 30 that I love to watch is "This Magic Moment" talking about the Orlando Magic during the Shaq and Penny Hardaway era. Folks don't talk about Penny Hardaway anymore, which is a shame because he really rose to the top quickly and due to injuries, was forgotten in the same warp speed. Everyone talks about Kobe and Shaq, but before there was a Kobe and Shaq, there was Penny and Shaq.

They could have been the next dynasty after the Bulls. Penny was that good.

Everyone was expecting them to be the next dynasty too. I was in middle school back then and had a hard crush on Penny. Watching this doc brought back a lot of memories. I had forgotten all about the Little Penny commercials with Chris Rock...they used to play the hell out of those commercials so much that it was damn near irritating.

uPtoWnNY said:

missfee said:

3. As if selling out to his own people wasn't bad enough, after white society rejected him when he was acquitted in the murder trial, all of a sudden he had found his "blackness" and started speaking in churches talking about God. GIVE.ME.A.BREAK. I found it to be totally disturbing.

Yeah, how ridiculous was that? Just as ridiculous as seeing black women carrying signs marching for his dumb ass.

I cringed watching that. All the while, OJ is looking at them and all the other black people rooting him as if they are roaches to be stepped on.

missfee said:

thetimefan said:

UK ESPN/BT Sports is very behind in showing the 30 for 30 docs, but they are definitely all worth checking out. Before I just watched the soccer, boxing, college football & basketball, NBA & the NFL related ones but now I check them all out. Once they show the OJ ones I'll check them out too. Kinda off topic but one doc which should be interesting and will be their first documentary on pro-wrestling is the one about Ric Flair. I assume they'll go along with a storyline motif similar to Randy 'The Ram' of the Wrestler. Out of the pro-wrestlers still with us today, I think Ric's story would be the most interesting. Another guy which would have been a great topic is Andre, there's also the whole Giant/ 'Andre has a posse' thing too which would have made an interesting narrative. There's also a lot of Andre's story which hasn't been heard before. I think the Biography channel did a documentary about him once which WWE released on home video but I think a 2 hour 30 for 30 doc would do him more justice. He's probably best known for non-fans as being in the Princess Bride.

Very true. I checked out the 30 for 30 talking about Reggie Miller vs. The New York Knicks in the mid-90's. It quite hiliarious and brought back a lot of memories. The NBA was so fun and exciting back then. Another 30 for 30 that I love to watch is "This Magic Moment" talking about the Orlando Magic during the Shaq and Penny Hardaway era. Folks don't talk about Penny Hardaway anymore, which is a shame because he really rose to the top quickly and due to injuries, was forgotten in the same warp speed. Everyone talks about Kobe and Shaq, but before there was a Kobe and Shaq, there was Penny and Shaq.

Yea, I liked the Reggie vs the NY Knicks one a lot. Surprised Spike Lee didn't direct it. It was also a golden era for the NBA too I agree. They haven't shown the Orlando Magic one as of yet in the UK but I'll definitely check that one out as a big NBA fan thats of great interest to me. I remember Penny Hardaway too, he played for the Suns & Knicks after the Magic. I think that once the Bulls dynasty concluded with MJ retiring and the dismantling of the team, the Shaq & Penny led Magic would have created a dynasty of their own for sure. Also Shaq & Penny did end up on a roster together in the end as the Heat signed Penny to a vets minimum deal for the 07/08 season. They waived him in December though. But going back to the Bulls, the end of their dynasty is a 30 for 30 doc waiting to be made. Phil left, Michael retired, Scottie left, along with Rodman, Longley & Kerr. Harper, Kukoc, Wennington & Brown were still there but the heart of the team was gone. They went 13-37 which isn't terrible, but considering they had a 72-10 record in 95/96 it speaks volumes.

I finally watched the series and I give it a 4 out of 5. It was both shocking (especially the murder scene and autopsy photos) and informative (eg. OJ's upbringing and football career, he was an incredible athlete)......but it left some questions hanging. What are the key players are doing now?, what happened to OJ storage units that he hid from the Browns/Goldmans? etc. However, what I learnt from this terrible tragedy is that; 1. OJ is a wife beater and double muderer. How ironic that he was sentence to 33 years in jail for that stupid robbery, is the same amount the Goldmans/Browns won in their civil suit $33 million, and the verdict was reached on the aniversary of his acquittal in October 1995. 2. In order to deflect past racial injustices eg, Rodney King trial, improve the re-election chances of some officals in LA, to make it look it the Judical system was "fair and balanced", the LAPD and the Prosecution messed up a which led to QJ's acquital (eg. collecting evidence and some of trial strategies were dodgy eg. putting Mark Furman on the stand and the glove debacle). 3. Historical injustice towards people of color by some of the LAPD and the Judical System in Southern California was downright revolting, and still this happens today all over the USA and that is why alot of people don't trust the system Overall it was a very enlightening documentary and I would recommend it, but viewer discretion for some of the graphic scenes.

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Goddess4Real said:

I finally watched the series and I give it a 4 out of 5. It was both shocking (especially the murder scene and autopsy photos) and informative (eg. OJ's upbringing and football career, he was an incredible athlete)......but it left some questions hanging. What are the key players are doing now?, what happened to OJ storage units that he hid from the Browns/Goldmans? etc. However, what I learnt from this terrible tragedy is that; 1. OJ is a wife beater and double muderer. How ironic that he was sentence to 33 years in jail for that stupid robbery, is the same amount the Goldmans/Browns won in their civil suit $33 million, and the verdict was reached on the aniversary of his acquittal in October 1995. 2. In order to deflect past racial injustices eg, Rodney King trial, improve the re-election chances of some officals in LA, to make it look it the Judical system was "fair and balanced", the LAPD and the Prosecution messed up a which led to QJ's acquital (eg. collecting evidence and some of trial strategies were dodgy eg. putting Mark Furman on the stand and the glove debacle). 3. Historical injustice towards people of color by some of the LAPD and the Judical System in Southern California was downright revolting, and still this happens today all over the USA and that is why alot of people don't trust the system Overall it was a very enlightening documentary and I would recommend it, but viewer discretion for some of the graphic scenes.

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I kinda felt for Ron Shipp. To be that close to OJ only to realize that OJ wasn't the person he thought he was at all. I can only imagine how he felt when he saw the crime photos and reeling from the revelation that OJ had actually committed the crimes.

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I caught episodes 4 and 5. Very interesting.....OJ's ego got the best of him after the verdict. His "hip hop" videos were pitiful and nauseating.

SPYZFAN1 said:

I caught episodes 4 and 5. Very interesting.....OJ's ego got the best of him after the verdict. His "hip hop" videos were pitiful and nauseating.

Yuuuuup bottom of the barrell stuff, like he didn't care for himself or his children.....to fall from such great heights.

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Graycap23 said:

728huey said:

Not to make any excuses for O.J. beating his wife Nicole, but this is where may have have been suffering the effects of CTE, which we know from the widows of players who have died young or taken their own lives that they suffered from impulse control, violent mood swings, memory lapses, etc. Taken in that context, plus the fact that O.J. naturally sought adoration from fans and was a serial womanizer, and something bad was bound to happen in his life, whether it was being accused of murder or some other calamity.

As for saying Nicole played a role in her own domestic violence, that's basically blaming the victim. As mentioned in the documentary, O.J. Was cheating on her repeatedly, and Nicole was right to get pissed off at him for his infidelity.

women beat men more than goes reported.

That was another thing that wasn't mentioned in the doco, we know he had Arthritis, but I wonder if playing football and now all this talk about concussions might have played a role in his mood swings and the violence etc. Hearing those Nicole Brown tapes sent chills up my spine u could tell OJ was out of control. Great Point

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