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Thread started 03/11/16 6:02pm

morningsong

A Harvard psychologist says people judge you based on 2 criteria when they first meet you

People size you up in seconds, but what exactly are they evaluating?


Interestingly, Cuddy says that most people, especially in a professional context, believe that competence is the more important factor. After all, they want to prove that they are smart and talented enough to handle your business.

But in fact warmth, or trustworthiness, is the most important factor in how people evaluate you. "From an evolutionary perspective," Cuddy says, "it is more crucial to our survival to know whether a person deserves our trust."

It makes sense when you consider that in cavemen days it was more important to figure out if your fellow man was going to kill you and steal all your possessions than if he was competent enough to build a good fire.

http://www.independent.co...19501.html




Makes sense to me.

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Reply #1 posted 03/12/16 2:31am

dJJ

morningsong said:

People size you up in seconds, but what exactly are they evaluating?


Interestingly, Cuddy says that most people, especially in a professional context, believe that competence is the more important factor. After all, they want to prove that they are smart and talented enough to handle your business.

But in fact warmth, or trustworthiness, is the most important factor in how people evaluate you. "From an evolutionary perspective," Cuddy says, "it is more crucial to our survival to know whether a person deserves our trust."

It makes sense when you consider that in cavemen days it was more important to figure out if your fellow man was going to kill you and steal all your possessions than if he was competent enough to build a good fire.

http://www.independent.co...19501.html




Makes sense to me.



Yes, and sociopaths know exactly how to behave to come across as reliable, trustworthy and interested.

That is why they get hired for key positions, in stead of the people who actually are capable of the job.

99% of my posts are ironic. Maybe this post sides with the other 1%.
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Reply #2 posted 03/12/16 2:41am

morningsong

dJJ said:

morningsong said:

People size you up in seconds, but what exactly are they evaluating?


Interestingly, Cuddy says that most people, especially in a professional context, believe that competence is the more important factor. After all, they want to prove that they are smart and talented enough to handle your business.

But in fact warmth, or trustworthiness, is the most important factor in how people evaluate you. "From an evolutionary perspective," Cuddy says, "it is more crucial to our survival to know whether a person deserves our trust."

It makes sense when you consider that in cavemen days it was more important to figure out if your fellow man was going to kill you and steal all your possessions than if he was competent enough to build a good fire.

http://www.independent.co...19501.html




Makes sense to me.



Yes, and sociopaths know exactly how to behave to come across as reliable, trustworthy and interested.

That is why they get hired for key positions, in stead of the people who actually are capable of the job.

Hangout on a sociopaths site and you find out all kinds of interesting things. Not for dating purposes, never, but they can be blunt people which is kind of neat in it's own way.

Thank goodness there aren't that many of them. Some people are just a--holes.

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Reply #3 posted 03/12/16 3:00am

KingBAD

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morningsong said:

dJJ said:



Yes, and sociopaths know exactly how to behave to come across as reliable, trustworthy and interested.

That is why they get hired for key positions, in stead of the people who actually are capable of the job.

Hangout on a sociopaths site and you find out all kinds of interesting things. Not for dating purposes, never, but they can be blunt people which is kind of neat in it's own way.

Thank goodness there aren't that many of them. Some people are just a--holes.

djj...

it isn't an act EXCEPT the part about bein interested...

we are quite reliable people and can be called on in a pinch

by those who are within the people we have a genuine like for

we have family and friends and they vouche for us wholeheartedly...

morningsong has basically said as much... i can say i'm a sociopath

and people who only know of me will argue the point (i think its to see

if it will shake me in some sort of way... i've never met an emotional

sociopath)

when it was proper to say, i was considered a psychopath...

believe me when i tell you i am as normal as can be... and

not one to do extreme shit, but i've never been the squeamish type either...

i am KING BAD!!!
you are NOT...
evilking
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Reply #4 posted 03/12/16 6:39am

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This goes in line with job hiring these days. An applicant's ability to get along, adapt to the employer's environment and work well with coworkers is of greater importance than more traditional key attributes such as intelligence, knowledge and work ethic.

In a nutshell, if you're well-liked then you can get away with more mistakes and lack of effort. I've seen this on a regular basis, workers who really don't know what the hell they're doing but they are chummy with the "right people" and that's all that matters.

"Never let nasty stalkers disrespect you. They start shit, you finish it. Go down to their level, that's the only way they'll understand. You have to handle things yourself."
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Reply #5 posted 03/12/16 8:17pm

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Interesting, I was always lead to believe it was race, sex & class (/economics) they primarily categorized/judged u on. I think age & fuckability are up there too, esp 4 women. Warmth & trustworthiness is so much nicer tho. smile
"We just let people talk & say whatever they want 2 say. 9 times out of 10, trust me, what's out there now, I wouldn't give nary one of these folks the time of day. That's why I don't say anything back, because there's so much that's wrong" - P, Dec '15
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Reply #6 posted 03/12/16 8:31pm

NinaB

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KingBAD said:



morningsong said:




dJJ said:





Yes, and sociopaths know exactly how to behave to come across as reliable, trustworthy and interested.

That is why they get hired for key positions, in stead of the people who actually are capable of the job.




Hangout on a sociopaths site and you find out all kinds of interesting things. Not for dating purposes, never, but they can be blunt people which is kind of neat in it's own way.

Thank goodness there aren't that many of them. Some people are just a--holes.



djj...


it isn't an act EXCEPT the part about bein interested...


we are quite reliable people and can be called on in a pinch


by those who are within the people we have a genuine like for


we have family and friends and they vouche for us wholeheartedly...


morningsong has basically said as much... i can say i'm a sociopath


and people who only know of me will argue the point (i think its to see


if it will shake me in some sort of way... i've never met an emotional


sociopath)


when it was proper to say, i was considered a psychopath...


believe me when i tell you i am as normal as can be... and


not one to do extreme shit, but i've never been the squeamish type either...


I've a close relative who's a sociopath, none of what you describes applies 2 him tho (well, except 4 the not truly interested & non emotional bit) He's a straight savage, extreme is his favourite place. Must be different levels to it. I did read something a while back about how the modern western capitalist culture breeds them & (unrecognized) garden variety sociopaths are the majority now. Who knows tho, studies & statistics come out all the time 4 all kinds of agendas.
"We just let people talk & say whatever they want 2 say. 9 times out of 10, trust me, what's out there now, I wouldn't give nary one of these folks the time of day. That's why I don't say anything back, because there's so much that's wrong" - P, Dec '15
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Reply #7 posted 03/12/16 8:38pm

NinaB

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morningsong said:



dJJ said:




morningsong said:


People size you up in seconds, but what exactly are they evaluating?



Interestingly, Cuddy says that most people, especially in a professional context, believe that competence is the more important factor. After all, they want to prove that they are smart and talented enough to handle your business.



But in fact warmth, or trustworthiness, is the most important factor in how people evaluate you. "From an evolutionary perspective," Cuddy says, "it is more crucial to our survival to know whether a person deserves our trust."


It makes sense when you consider that in cavemen days it was more important to figure out if your fellow man was going to kill you and steal all your possessions than if he was competent enough to build a good fire.

http://www.independent.co...19501.html





Makes sense to me.





Yes, and sociopaths know exactly how to behave to come across as reliable, trustworthy and interested.

That is why they get hired for key positions, in stead of the people who actually are capable of the job.




Hangout on a sociopaths site and you find out all kinds of interesting things. Not for dating purposes, never, but they can be blunt people which is kind of neat in it's own way.

Thank goodness there aren't that many of them. Some people are just a--holes.


Sociopath sites? Of course, god knows why I'm surprised, what goes on there then?
"We just let people talk & say whatever they want 2 say. 9 times out of 10, trust me, what's out there now, I wouldn't give nary one of these folks the time of day. That's why I don't say anything back, because there's so much that's wrong" - P, Dec '15
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Reply #8 posted 03/12/16 8:38pm

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dJJ said:



morningsong said:


People size you up in seconds, but what exactly are they evaluating?



Interestingly, Cuddy says that most people, especially in a professional context, believe that competence is the more important factor. After all, they want to prove that they are smart and talented enough to handle your business.





But in fact warmth, or trustworthiness, is the most important factor in how people evaluate you. "From an evolutionary perspective," Cuddy says, "it is more crucial to our survival to know whether a person deserves our trust."


It makes sense when you consider that in cavemen days it was more important to figure out if your fellow man was going to kill you and steal all your possessions than if he was competent enough to build a good fire.

http://www.independent.co...19501.html





Makes sense to me.





Yes, and sociopaths know exactly how to behave to come across as reliable, trustworthy and interested.

That is why they get hired for key positions, in stead of the people who actually are capable of the job.



Yes, this has been my experience/observation too.

Well, except 4 my relative that is edit.
[Edited 3/12/16 12:49pm]
"We just let people talk & say whatever they want 2 say. 9 times out of 10, trust me, what's out there now, I wouldn't give nary one of these folks the time of day. That's why I don't say anything back, because there's so much that's wrong" - P, Dec '15
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Reply #9 posted 03/13/16 3:54am

KingBAD

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NinaB said:

KingBAD said:

djj...

it isn't an act EXCEPT the part about bein interested...

we are quite reliable people and can be called on in a pinch

by those who are within the people we have a genuine like for

we have family and friends and they vouche for us wholeheartedly...

morningsong has basically said as much... i can say i'm a sociopath

and people who only know of me will argue the point (i think its to see

if it will shake me in some sort of way... i've never met an emotional

sociopath)

when it was proper to say, i was considered a psychopath...

believe me when i tell you i am as normal as can be... and

not one to do extreme shit, but i've never been the squeamish type either...

I've a close relative who's a sociopath, none of what you describes applies 2 him tho (well, except 4 the not truly interested & non emotional bit) He's a straight savage, extreme is his favourite place. Must be different levels to it. I did read something a while back about how the modern western capitalist culture breeds them & (unrecognized) garden variety sociopaths are the majority now. Who knows tho, studies & statistics come out all the time 4 all kinds of agendas.

there are levels OR RATHER mindsets...

when i was young i was such a beast... i don't feel guilt

and have to really really dig to have empathy for folks

HOWEVER i do it because not to do so would impede my own

progression through life... when folks reach the point

(and i have known them) where they can't even empathize with self

you get thhe impression (well... i get the impression) that they are

just suicidal but need to be took out by other than self...

ask him if he is willin to die for his fam...

i'm tellin you that the answer of a sociopath should be

"NO, but i'll kill erthing walkin about em" sociopathy

does not make folks self destructive, it just sharpens the lines

between me and the rest of the world... all i believe in is

"i, me, mine, and my" everybody else are like trees

(you have to remember all the uses for trees then you unnastand...

i am KING BAD!!!
you are NOT...
evilking
STOP ME IF YOU HEARD THIS BEFORE...
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Reply #10 posted 03/13/16 4:23am

morningsong

NinaB said:

morningsong said:



dJJ said:




morningsong said:


People size you up in seconds, but what exactly are they evaluating?



Interestingly, Cuddy says that most people, especially in a professional context, believe that competence is the more important factor. After all, they want to prove that they are smart and talented enough to handle your business.



But in fact warmth, or trustworthiness, is the most important factor in how people evaluate you. "From an evolutionary perspective," Cuddy says, "it is more crucial to our survival to know whether a person deserves our trust."


It makes sense when you consider that in cavemen days it was more important to figure out if your fellow man was going to kill you and steal all your possessions than if he was competent enough to build a good fire.

http://www.independent.co...19501.html





Makes sense to me.





Yes, and sociopaths know exactly how to behave to come across as reliable, trustworthy and interested.

That is why they get hired for key positions, in stead of the people who actually are capable of the job.




Hangout on a sociopaths site and you find out all kinds of interesting things. Not for dating purposes, never, but they can be blunt people which is kind of neat in it's own way.

Thank goodness there aren't that many of them. Some people are just a--holes.


Sociopath sites? Of course, god knows why I'm surprised, what goes on there then?


It was informational not a dating or hookup site. Recommending book, talking about shows and movies. Just stuff.
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Reply #11 posted 03/13/16 5:28am

prittypriss

KingBAD said:

morningsong said:

Hangout on a sociopaths site and you find out all kinds of interesting things. Not for dating purposes, never, but they can be blunt people which is kind of neat in it's own way.

Thank goodness there aren't that many of them. Some people are just a--holes.

djj...

it isn't an act EXCEPT the part about bein interested...

we are quite reliable people and can be called on in a pinch

by those who are within the people we have a genuine like for

we have family and friends and they vouche for us wholeheartedly...

morningsong has basically said as much... i can say i'm a sociopath

and people who only know of me will argue the point (i think its to see

if it will shake me in some sort of way... i've never met an emotional

sociopath)

when it was proper to say, i was considered a psychopath...

believe me when i tell you i am as normal as can be... and

not one to do extreme shit, but i've never been the squeamish type either...

.

Profile of the Sociopath

This website summarizes some of the common features of descriptions of the behavior of sociopaths.

  • Glibness and Superficial Charm

  • Manipulative and Conning
    They never recognize the rights of others and see their self-serving behaviors as permissible. They appear to be charming, yet are covertly hostile and domineering, seeing their victim as merely an instrument to be used. They may dominate and humiliate their victims.

  • Grandiose Sense of Self
    Feels entitled to certain things as "their right."

  • Pathological Lying
    Has no problem lying coolly and easily and it is almost impossible for them to be truthful on a consistent basis. Can create, and get caught up in, a complex belief about their own powers and abilities. Extremely convincing and even able to pass lie detector tests.

  • Lack of Remorse, Shame or Guilt
    A deep seated rage, which is split off and repressed, is at their core. Does not see others around them as people, but only as targets and opportunities. Instead of friends, they have victims and accomplices who end up as victims. The end always justifies the means and they let nothing stand in their way.

  • Shallow Emotions
    When they show what seems to be warmth, joy, love and compassion it is more feigned than experienced and serves an ulterior motive. Outraged by insignificant matters, yet remaining unmoved and cold by what would upset a normal person. Since they are not genuine, neither are their promises.

  • Incapacity for Love

  • Need for Stimulation
    Living on the edge. Verbal outbursts and physical punishments are normal. Promiscuity and gambling are common.

  • Callousness/Lack of Empathy
    Unable to empathize with the pain of their victims, having only contempt for others' feelings of distress and readily taking advantage of them.

  • Poor Behavioral Controls/Impulsive Nature
    Rage and abuse, alternating with small expressions of love and approval produce an addictive cycle for abuser and abused, as well as creating hopelessness in the victim. Believe they are all-powerful, all-knowing, entitled to every wish, no sense of personal boundaries, no concern for their impact on others.

  • Early Behavior Problems/Juvenile Delinquency
    Usually has a history of behavioral and academic difficulties, yet "gets by" by conning others. Problems in making and keeping friends; aberrant behaviors such as cruelty to people or animals, stealing, etc.

  • Irresponsibility/Unreliability
    Not concerned about wrecking others' lives and dreams. Oblivious or indifferent to the devastation they cause. Does not accept blame themselves, but blames others, even for acts they obviously committed.

  • Promiscuous Sexual Behavior/Infidelity
    Promiscuity, child sexual abuse, rape and sexual acting out of all sorts.

  • Lack of Realistic Life Plan/Parasitic Lifestyle
    Tends to move around a lot or makes all encompassing promises for the future, poor work ethic but exploits others effectively.

  • Criminal or Entrepreneurial Versatility
    Changes their image as needed to avoid prosecution. Changes life story readily.

Other Related Qualities:

  1. Contemptuous of those who seek to understand them
  2. Does not perceive that anything is wrong with them
  3. Authoritarian
  4. Secretive
  5. Paranoid
  6. Only rarely in difficulty with the law, but seeks out situations where their tyrannical behavior will be tolerated, condoned, or admired
  7. Conventional appearance
  8. Goal of enslavement of their victim(s)
  9. Exercises despotic control over every aspect of the victim's life
  10. Has an emotional need to justify their crimes and therefore needs their victim's affirmation (respect, gratitude and love)
  11. Ultimate goal is the creation of a willing victim
  12. Incapable of real human attachment to another
  13. Unable to feel remorse or guilt
  14. Extreme narcissism and grandiose
  15. May state readily that their goal is to rule the world


(The above traits are based on the psychopathy checklists of H. Cleckley and R. Hare.)

[Edited 3/12/16 21:40pm]

[Edited 3/12/16 21:52pm]

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Reply #12 posted 03/13/16 11:10am

NinaB

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KingBAD said:



NinaB said:


KingBAD said:


djj...


it isn't an act EXCEPT the part about bein interested...


we are quite reliable people and can be called on in a pinch


by those who are within the people we have a genuine like for


we have family and friends and they vouche for us wholeheartedly...


morningsong has basically said as much... i can say i'm a sociopath


and people who only know of me will argue the point (i think its to see


if it will shake me in some sort of way... i've never met an emotional


sociopath)


when it was proper to say, i was considered a psychopath...


believe me when i tell you i am as normal as can be... and


not one to do extreme shit, but i've never been the squeamish type either...



I've a close relative who's a sociopath, none of what you describes applies 2 him tho (well, except 4 the not truly interested & non emotional bit) He's a straight savage, extreme is his favourite place. Must be different levels to it. I did read something a while back about how the modern western capitalist culture breeds them & (unrecognized) garden variety sociopaths are the majority now. Who knows tho, studies & statistics come out all the time 4 all kinds of agendas.

there are levels OR RATHER mindsets...


when i was young i was such a beast... i don't feel guilt


and have to really really dig to have empathy for folks


HOWEVER i do it because not to do so would impede my own


progression through life... when folks reach the point


(and i have known them) where they can't even empathize with self


you get thhe impression (well... i get the impression) that they are


just suicidal but need to be took out by other than self...


ask him if he is willin to die for his fam...


i'm tellin you that the answer of a sociopath should be


"NO, but i'll kill erthing walkin about em" sociopathy


does not make folks self destructive, it just sharpens the lines


between me and the rest of the world... all i believe in is


"i, me, mine, and my" everybody else are like trees


(you have to remember all the uses for trees then you unnastand...


Yes, all of that makes sense to me. I can't ask him that question as I cut him out of my life some yrs back, i had to. I know his answer is No though. He's shot at the fam & done some very violent & sick things to certain members...he's a compulsive liar, con man, talented writer/guitarist/pianist, loves to shock. Trees hey? Yes, that's interesting. I always thought with him it was like he's the lead male in an epic drama, & the rest of us are one dimensional bit players. He would never put in work to dig deep & access some empathy, to him that's a mugs game for the squares.


He's in his mid 60's now btw.
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Reply #13 posted 03/13/16 11:18am

morningsong

The fascination of Dexter and the modern Sherlock Holmes made me curious. It was an eye opener.
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Reply #14 posted 03/13/16 11:35am

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morningsong said:

The fascination of Dexter and the modern Sherlock Holmes made me curious. It was an eye opener.

I haven't seen Sherlock but I liked Dexter, I still haven't got around to watching the last season though.
"We just let people talk & say whatever they want 2 say. 9 times out of 10, trust me, what's out there now, I wouldn't give nary one of these folks the time of day. That's why I don't say anything back, because there's so much that's wrong" - P, Dec '15
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Reply #15 posted 03/13/16 2:07pm

XxAxX

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KingBAD said:

NinaB said:

KingBAD said: I've a close relative who's a sociopath, none of what you describes applies 2 him tho (well, except 4 the not truly interested & non emotional bit) He's a straight savage, extreme is his favourite place. Must be different levels to it. I did read something a while back about how the modern western capitalist culture breeds them & (unrecognized) garden variety sociopaths are the majority now. Who knows tho, studies & statistics come out all the time 4 all kinds of agendas.

there are levels OR RATHER mindsets...

when i was young i was such a beast... i don't feel guilt

and have to really really dig to have empathy for folks

HOWEVER i do it because not to do so would impede my own

progression through life... when folks reach the point

(and i have known them) where they can't even empathize with self

you get thhe impression (well... i get the impression) that they are

just suicidal but need to be took out by other than self...

ask him if he is willin to die for his fam...

i'm tellin you that the answer of a sociopath should be

"NO, but i'll kill erthing walkin about em" sociopathy

does not make folks self destructive, it just sharpens the lines

between me and the rest of the world... all i believe in is

"i, me, mine, and my" everybody else are like trees

(you have to remember all the uses for trees then you unnastand...

.

in a post apocolyptic world, such as the walking dead world where survival depend on the traits you describe, imo sociopathic tendencies are excellent survival tools. maybe empathy and pity and guilt and shame are concepts that evolved later, in a more complex social context.

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Reply #16 posted 03/13/16 2:34pm

NinaB

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XxAxX said:



KingBAD said:




NinaB said:


KingBAD said: I've a close relative who's a sociopath, none of what you describes applies 2 him tho (well, except 4 the not truly interested & non emotional bit) He's a straight savage, extreme is his favourite place. Must be different levels to it. I did read something a while back about how the modern western capitalist culture breeds them & (unrecognized) garden variety sociopaths are the majority now. Who knows tho, studies & statistics come out all the time 4 all kinds of agendas.

there are levels OR RATHER mindsets...


when i was young i was such a beast... i don't feel guilt


and have to really really dig to have empathy for folks


HOWEVER i do it because not to do so would impede my own


progression through life... when folks reach the point


(and i have known them) where they can't even empathize with self


you get thhe impression (well... i get the impression) that they are


just suicidal but need to be took out by other than self...


ask him if he is willin to die for his fam...


i'm tellin you that the answer of a sociopath should be


"NO, but i'll kill erthing walkin about em" sociopathy


does not make folks self destructive, it just sharpens the lines


between me and the rest of the world... all i believe in is


"i, me, mine, and my" everybody else are like trees


(you have to remember all the uses for trees then you unnastand...



.


in a post apocolyptic world, such as the walking dead world where survival depend on the traits you describe, imo sociopathic tendencies are excellent survival tools. maybe empathy and pity and guilt and shame are concepts that evolved later, in a more complex social context.


Like the lizard brain & the frontal lobes?
"We just let people talk & say whatever they want 2 say. 9 times out of 10, trust me, what's out there now, I wouldn't give nary one of these folks the time of day. That's why I don't say anything back, because there's so much that's wrong" - P, Dec '15
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Reply #17 posted 03/13/16 2:38pm

KingBAD

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XxAxX said:

KingBAD said:

there are levels OR RATHER mindsets...

when i was young i was such a beast... i don't feel guilt

and have to really really dig to have empathy for folks

HOWEVER i do it because not to do so would impede my own

progression through life... when folks reach the point

(and i have known them) where they can't even empathize with self

you get thhe impression (well... i get the impression) that they are

just suicidal but need to be took out by other than self...

ask him if he is willin to die for his fam...

i'm tellin you that the answer of a sociopath should be

"NO, but i'll kill erthing walkin about em" sociopathy

does not make folks self destructive, it just sharpens the lines

between me and the rest of the world... all i believe in is

"i, me, mine, and my" everybody else are like trees

(you have to remember all the uses for trees then you unnastand...

.

in a post apocolyptic world, such as the walking dead world where survival depend on the traits you describe, imo sociopathic tendencies are excellent survival tools. maybe empathy and pity and guilt and shame are concepts that evolved later, in a more complex social context.

when lookin at the animalistic characteristics v. civilized thinkin animals are the empathetic of the two... there is no malice (you have to look in the 'way back' because animals are actin different now... mostly those in areas where there is people contact) in them... they do what they do and if there is a violent exchange it's only about survival (eat or be eaten)... reason created empathy... and i'm sure the beginin of reason stemmed from the want not to die and the ability to communicate the reason they should be allowed to live... animals have such communications that they respond to from other animals... i've seen animals actually change they mind about killin an animal that pled for they life... with us (the human) its the pleadin that creates the most distain...

i am KING BAD!!!
you are NOT...
evilking
STOP ME IF YOU HEARD THIS BEFORE...
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Reply #18 posted 03/13/16 2:42pm

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I vaguely remember a TED talk where they were breaking down how the higher up the corporate ladder you go, the higher the rate of sociopaths. Bottom line was in this culture sociopathic tendencies can be a plus.
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Reply #19 posted 03/13/16 2:50pm

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in a post apocolyptic world, such as the walking dead world where survival depend on the traits you describe, imo sociopathic tendencies are excellent survival tools. maybe empathy and pity and guilt and shame are concepts that evolved later, in a more complex social context.

when lookin at the animalistic characteristics v. civilized thinkin animals are the empathetic of the two... there is no malice (you have to look in the 'way back' because animals are actin different now... mostly those in areas where there is people contact) in them... they do what they do and if there is a violent exchange it's only about survival (eat or be eaten)... reason created empathy... and i'm sure the beginin of reason stemmed from the want not to die and the ability to communicate the reason they should be allowed to live... animals have such communications that they respond to from other animals... i've seen animals actually change they mind about killin an animal that pled for they life... with us (the human) its the pleadin that creates the most distain...

i used to think that too, but then i learned about how highly intelligent dolphins form rape gangs and single out lone females for violent attack. at times, 'gangs' of dolphins will bully a lone dolphin for non-sexual reasons.

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I vaguely remember a TED talk where they were breaking down how the higher up the corporate ladder you go, the higher the rate of sociopaths. Bottom line was in this culture sociopathic tendencies can be a plus.

yep.

number one job where you find sociopaths: CEO

number two job where you find sociopaths: attorney

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those top two are where we mainly draw our presidential candidates from eek

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http://mic.com/articles/44423/10-professions-that-attract-the-most-sociopaths#.0X7gXokqI

10 Professions That Attract the Most Sociopaths

Roy Klabin's avatar image By Roy Klabin May 26, 2013
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Our notions of good and evil are as malleable and evolving as the society around us. Whereas once we used to burn opinionated women as witches, or assume seizures were a sure sign of demonic possessions — we now rely on scientific inquiry and skepticism to define the world around us. This has led to a wide array of psychological categories, groups and behaviors through which we self-identify: Introvert, type A, depressed, delusional, egotistical or sociopath!

There are still ongoing disputes in field of psychiatry, and the inner workings of the mind remain a great scientific mystery yet to be fully explored. However, when it comes to sociopathy, we seem to have a somewhat functioning definition: a lack of empathy, emotions, or ability to identify with others coupled with a superficial charm, persuasiveness, focus, and egomania.

It might surprise some to learn, however, that the vast majority of sociopaths aren't killers lurking in the shadows. Most of them are walking around among us, immersed in careers that nurture their psychological traits, and in some cases even reward them.

Here are the top ten jobs that attract sociopaths, according to author Kevin Dutton:

1. CEO

With the heartless greed and sadistic ambition displayed on Wall street since the 2008 financial collapse, it may come as no surprise that the first place on the list goes to the modern-age equivalent of a pharaoh. Capitalist positions of leadership offer power, autonomy, command, and status — a perfect battlefield for the ambitious and ruthless to compete. Where once pyramids littered the dessert (sic!) in tribute to vain kings, we now have skyscrapers and corporate logos filling the clouds above.

2. Lawyer

Lawyers cloak themselves in the language of their field, making the laymen reliant on their expertise to survive in a courtroom. In the fog of legalese linguistics and glibly twisted logic, you better pray your lawyer is the most bloodthirsty of the two. There's a reason Shakespeare hated them so much, and why they continue to be the butt of so many jokes. Lawyers have a reputation for distorting the systems of equality, specifically for the purposes of ensuring their financial success. For every white knight district attorney looking to uphold the pillars of justice, you are sure to find a handful of bleak-hearted cynics and cutthroats.

3. Media

If our collective society is a living organism, where better for the egomaniac to reside than on the radio or TV? To be the voice of the people, the face of their information and entertainment, and to influence our collective minds. Of course, once your self-worth becomes invariably tied to your ratings and popularity, you're in for an eventual downfall of depression and despair.

4. Salesperson

In a numbers game, there's no room for emotion. Who has the greatest mental prowess? Manipulative charm? Who can wield the finest array of half-truths to convince a customer and close a sale? For those who like to compete for status and feed an ego through the defeat of colleagues, there is no better place to be than sales.

5. Surgeon

The field of surgery offers more than the power of life and death. It's a clinical world of high-pressure stakes, where decisions must be made without emotion. What job nurtures a bigger power complex, than one where you can cut people open on a daily basis, tinker with their frail internal mechanics, and aggrandize your status as a giver or taker of life?

6. Journalist

Much in the same way that media attracts the egomaniac, journalism (and writing in general) can draw those who wish to be revered from a distance. The ability to embed ideas and conversations in paper, and have them be absorbed en masse by readers, has only grown with the proliferation of the Internet. Now everyone with a phone, ipad, laptop or Google glasses can connect to an instantaneous world of information that stretches across the planet in seconds. The champions of that information are the self-appointed revealers of "truth" – constantly seeking to influence others through their articulation and mental prowess.

7. Policeman

The power of life and death on your hip, a badge of authority on your chest, a uniform of distinction, and a really loud siren! Everyone’s familiar with the stereotype of a bad cop — those officers who readily abuse their power, resent the people they are meant to protect, and use cold-hearted superiority to justify their viciousness. It's an unfortunate reality that some of the biggest criminals lurk among those who've sworn to uphold the law.

8. Clergyman

What better way to fulfill your God complex than become one his messengers? If you embody and speak for the higher forces of the universe, people’s admiration and congregation around you will constantly stroke the darkest portions of your vanity — at least until they catch you abusing children. It's no wonder religions have veered away from monastic humility towards gaudy temples of lavish gold and marble.

9. Chef

There are few things we do on a daily basis that are more intimate than eating food. The sustenance we put in our body can heal us, warm us, increase our pleasure and decrease our stress. It can also poison us, infect us or outright kill us. The seduction and love of food is very powerful — and controlling it, corrupting it, or being worshipped for creating it can greatly appeal to the egomaniac.

10. Civil Servant

Whether you're a minor-level bureaucrat suffocating the masses in red tape protocol, a hair-piece smiling robot claiming to embody the American dream, or a hypocrite ranting about moral platitudes while keeping your gay sex slave locked in your closet — there’s always plenty of room for sociopaths in the political arena.

[Edited 3/13/16 7:54am]

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That list reminds me of the top three professions in the UK that are wife beaters - Doctors, lawyers, Police men.
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Ugh, when is the next rocket outa here... razz lol

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https://youtu.be/CVwv9LZMah0
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http://www.mcafee.cc/Bin/sb.html
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Ugh, when is the next rocket outa here... razz lol


biggrin still waiting 4 the Mothership
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I vaguely remember a TED talk where they were breaking down how the higher up the corporate ladder you go, the higher the rate of sociopaths. Bottom line was in this culture sociopathic tendencies can be a plus.

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And yet one of the candidates for presidency in the U.S. is a CEO. Look at the list I posted above about the profile of a sociopath, think it fits him?

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NinaB said:


I vaguely remember a TED talk where they were breaking down how the higher up the corporate ladder you go, the higher the rate of sociopaths. Bottom line was in this culture sociopathic tendencies can be a plus.

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And yet one of the candidates for presidency in the U.S. is a CEO. Look at the list I posted above about the profile of a sociopath, think it fits him?


I sure do. Fascist.
"We just let people talk & say whatever they want 2 say. 9 times out of 10, trust me, what's out there now, I wouldn't give nary one of these folks the time of day. That's why I don't say anything back, because there's so much that's wrong" - P, Dec '15
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XxAxX said:



KingBAD said:




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in a post apocolyptic world, such as the walking dead world where survival depend on the traits you describe, imo sociopathic tendencies are excellent survival tools. maybe empathy and pity and guilt and shame are concepts that evolved later, in a more complex social context.



when lookin at the animalistic characteristics v. civilized thinkin animals are the empathetic of the two... there is no malice (you have to look in the 'way back' because animals are actin different now... mostly those in areas where there is people contact) in them... they do what they do and if there is a violent exchange it's only about survival (eat or be eaten)... reason created empathy... and i'm sure the beginin of reason stemmed from the want not to die and the ability to communicate the reason they should be allowed to live... animals have such communications that they respond to from other animals... i've seen animals actually change they mind about killin an animal that pled for they life... with us (the human) its the pleadin that creates the most distain...




i used to think that too, but then i learned about how highly intelligent dolphins form rape gangs and single out lone females for violent attack. at times, 'gangs' of dolphins will bully a lone dolphin for non-sexual reasons.


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I saw a documentary where a male chased a female for miles, relentless he was, until she collapsed. 😩
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XxAxX said:

KingBAD said:

when lookin at the animalistic characteristics v. civilized thinkin animals are the empathetic of the two... there is no malice (you have to look in the 'way back' because animals are actin different now... mostly those in areas where there is people contact) in them... they do what they do and if there is a violent exchange it's only about survival (eat or be eaten)... reason created empathy... and i'm sure the beginin of reason stemmed from the want not to die and the ability to communicate the reason they should be allowed to live... animals have such communications that they respond to from other animals... i've seen animals actually change they mind about killin an animal that pled for they life... with us (the human) its the pleadin that creates the most distain...

i used to think that too, but then i learned about how highly intelligent dolphins form rape gangs and single out lone females for violent attack. at times, 'gangs' of dolphins will bully a lone dolphin for non-sexual reasons.

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I remember reading the book Demonic Males 2 decades ago. And it changed my perception of men and aggression.

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Reply #29 posted 03/13/16 7:05pm

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Demonic Males? What's that all about then?
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