domainator2010 said:

TD3 said:

I think that's a pretty good idea. I for one believe Linux users are going to have to come to terms with, the willingness to pay for somethings. Nothing outragious but damn reach in your pocket and give someone $20, $25, $40, or $50 bucks. If you go to Best Buy, the charge 100 and some change to look at your computer.

Why don't you actually try and get that organised in YOUR city, where you live? Maybe there'a Linux user group there whose members are willing to be the "gangs"?

We already have. We have Intro to Linux 8 weeks course, free. All of our computer labs in our church run, Linux Ubuntu / Linux Mint. Someone was nice enough to donate several hundred Pi to give to the kids / young adults that sign up to our course.

I'm running Linux Mint Mate 17.3 / xfce 17.1 on my computers, Lubuntu on a ODRIOD single board computer, Raspian on Rasp Pi. For now on, Linux Mint. its the only distro that improves with every release. It's 2016 and Ubuntu still hasn't fixed bluetooth.

What distro are you running domainator?

XxAxX said:

TD3 said:

As of Feb 1, 2016

Microsoft, will no longer give you the option of upgradeing to Windows 10's. Instead, Microsoft is recommending you upgrade to Windows 10. What is the difference?

If a PC is set to install recommended updates automatically then Windows 10 will be downloaded and the installation could then start once the download is complete.

This is what you need to do.

1. Un-install KB 3035583. It is the update responsible for the Windows 10 notification.

2. Turn automatic updates off. Check for updates every second Tuesday of a month after 9:00 AM Pacific Time.

Windows 10 and its new web-browser the "Edge", are still a work in progress. Still, Win 10 is nothing but spyware. Windows 7 Pro computers can still be purchased until Nov. 2016.

Windows' 7 support ends, 2020. Window's 8.1 supports ends 2023

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i've already done numebrs 1 and 2 above.

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microsoft is really bullying users with this 'update' and it's been a pain in the whatsit to keep it off my system.

and i notice the automatic updates keep pushing that KB3035583. gotta keep a sharp eye out for that baby, uninstall it right away if it sneaks by

Did step one but I don't have the option to turn off updates for step two so I checked the option that lets me review and manually install. If this is the wave of the future, I'm swtching to Linux. I read there s a Virtualbox program that allows one to run Windows 7, etc. safely on your computer without control from the outside. Thoughts are Virtualbox?

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Hey that's AWESOME, TD!!! You've done more than I've managed here!!

I decided to ditch Fedora and try OpenSUSE LEAP -I have to say it's NiCE! A little laggy, and there are some niggling video problems, but still, considering the age of the computer,(and it was the cheapest one in the shop when I bought it) it's pretty smooth!

I'm running KDE, the new one, and I've pretty much got it set up to make the best websites in the world! It's quite sexy, I recommend that you try it!

I often run or at least USED to run Mint MATE myself live too, off the disc! Birds of the same feather, huh? .....

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purple, do you mean ON virtualbox?

I've never used it myself, but what it is is, virtualisation software, which will indeed allow you to run Windows inside Linux. I've used VMWAre, one of it's brethren, the other way round - to run Linux on Windows, it was beautiful, and well nigh UNBELIEVABLE from a technical perspective.....

Can you explain your problem clearly? What is it you want to do? What do you want to use Windows inside Linux FOR? What do you mean "without control from the outside"?

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[Edited 2/18/16 0:09am]

purplethunder3121 said:

XxAxX said:

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i've already done numebrs 1 and 2 above.

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microsoft is really bullying users with this 'update' and it's been a pain in the whatsit to keep it off my system.

and i notice the automatic updates keep pushing that KB3035583. gotta keep a sharp eye out for that baby, uninstall it right away if it sneaks by

Did step one but I don't have the option to turn off updates for step two so I checked the option that lets me review and manually install. If this is the wave of the future, I'm switching to Linux. I read there s a Virtual-box program that allows one to run Windows 7, etc., safely on your computer without control from the outside. Thoughts are Virtual box?

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Windows 7... go to and click...

• Control Panel
• System & Security
• Windows Settings

In the left column you should see

• Control Panel Home
• Check Updates
• Change Settings

Click on "change settings" and it will give you a list of options on who you want to receive Microsoft updates. You can select.... "Check update but allow me the right to choose to download and install."

Yes, you can run XP, Vista, Widows 7 in VB. In the past I've used Oracle VM... just make sure to check computer specs (hardware) can do the task.

Let me say this...

iIf you are interested in buying a linux laptop / desktop. I recommend this two manufactures.

• System76

• ZA Reason - http://zareason.com/shop/...p-440.html

What i like about ZaReason, you have choice on what Linux Distro you can choose from. I bought a desktop for my daughter and notebook for my brohter for Christmas and the love them.

phunkdaddy said:

So in other words don't install Windows 10 at all if you have 7 to avoid issues?

The problem with Windows 7, which I have, is that Microsoft will stop supporting it in a few years... I want nothing to do with Windows 10. I didn't even like Windows 8.

purplethunder3121 said:

phunkdaddy said:

purplethunder3121 said:

The problem with Windows 7, which I have, is that Microsoft will stop supporting it in a few years... I want nothing to do with Windows 10. I didn't even like Windows 8.

That's my concern too just like they stopped supporting XP a few years back but like TD said you can try the 10 upgrade but what if your computer isn't equipped to handle the upgrade then you're SOL

My desktop I had for over 10 years gave up the ghost before Microsoft stopped supporting XP... I won't do the 10 upgrade--I don't want it. I'll become a Linux user before I do that...

phunkdaddy said:

So in other words don't install Windows 10 at all if you have 7 to avoid issues?

Yes, but...

You should be aware, Microsoft is downloading optional and now recommended updates that have "Telemetry" features as Windows 10 has. Good news (link provided my TonyVanDamn in his post) you can disable those features. But in the future, I'd recommend not to just take Microsoft's Recommended or Optional updates for granted... you should research what those updates do, not do, and if they improve the performance of your computer or if its just piece of spyware to collect your data. I'll post from time to time what updates you should possible NOT install.

Needless to say Windows 7 & Windows 8.1 support doesn't end till January 14, 2020 & January 10, 2014 respectively. Note: If you purchase a Win 7 / 8.1 computer, you want to avoid the one with the Skylark INTEL processor. Why? In an attempt to bully Win 7 / 8.1 users and those in Enterprise to upgrade to Windows 10. Microsoft will not provide support for Win 7 / 8.1 users if you have the Skylark Intel processor. So, if you have plans to purchase a new computer, go 1 gen back....the last generation of supported Intel processors are known as Broadwell, and those chips are still widely available.

It's a damn shame its come to this but here we are... the sad things we have choices. Unfortunately, people have been willing to give up their data via Internet Browser, with little thought. But now Microsoft has claimed rights to our computer, its hardware as if it were "eminent domain."

TD3 said:

phunkdaddy said:

So in other words don't install Windows 10 at all if you have 7 to avoid issues?

Yes, but...

You should be aware, Microsoft is downloading optional and now recommended updates that have "Telemetry" features as Windows 10 has. Good news (link provided my TonyVanDamn in his post) you can disable those features. But in the future, I'd recommend not to just take Microsoft's Recommended or Optional updates for granted... you should research what those updates do, not do, and if they improve the performance of your computer or if its just piece of spyware to collect your data. I'll post from time to time what updates you should possible NOT install.

Needless to say Windows 7 & Windows 8.1 support doesn't end till January 14, 2020 & January 10, 2014 respectively. Note: If you purchase a Win 7 / 8.1 computer, you want to avoid the one with the Skylark INTEL processor. Why? In an attempt to bully Win 7 / 8.1 users and those in Enterprise to upgrade to Windows 10. Microsoft will not provide support for Win 7 / 8.1 users if you have the Skylark Intel processor. So, if you have plans to purchase a new computer, go 1 gen back....the last generation of supported Intel processors are known as Broadwell, and those chips are still widely available.

It's a damn shame its come to this but here we are... the sad things we have choices. Unfortunately, people have been willing to give up their data via Internet Browser, with little thought. But now Microsoft has claimed rights to our computer, its hardware as if it were "eminent domain."

Damn, what choices are we really left with then? After someone buys the computers you suggest and they die...what is left? Buying used computers from those who know how to bootstrap around "the Man?" (Sorry for the 60s lingo--but this pisses me the hell off.). I'll be watching this site and paying much more attention to what I buy and do with computers in the future.

I think that pretty much means that Linux is the only choice you have.

Or Mac, of course, but those are expensive!

purple, you didn't answer my questions, above....?

domainator2010 said:

I think that pretty much means that Linux is the only choice you have.

Or Mac, of course, but those are expensive!

purple, you didn't answer my questions, above....?

Thank you for your response. I really appreciate it and I want to answer your questions more thoughtfully than I have time to tonight since I am not a computer person... So, forgive me if I take time to respond.

purplethunder3121 said:

XxAxX said:

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i've already done numebrs 1 and 2 above.

.

microsoft is really bullying users with this 'update' and it's been a pain in the whatsit to keep it off my system.

and i notice the automatic updates keep pushing that KB3035583. gotta keep a sharp eye out for that baby, uninstall it right away if it sneaks by

Did step one but I don't have the option to turn off updates for step two so I checked the option that lets me review and manually install. If this is the wave of the future, I'm swtching to Linux. I read there s a Virtualbox program that allows one to run Windows 7, etc. safely on your computer without control from the outside. Thoughts are Virtualbox?

[Edited 2/17/16 10:55am]

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i have to keep checking for the update KB3035583. microsoft keeps pushing it on me with each downloaded group of updates but i keep selecting 'don't install'.

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i think i also monkeyed around in task scheduler and deleted an entry whereby the computer was scheduled to check for and download the KB3035583 file.

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it took a while to figure out how to disable the little bugger.

XxAxX said:

purplethunder3121 said:

Did step one but I don't have the option to turn off updates for step two so I checked the option that lets me review and manually install. If this is the wave of the future, I'm swtching to Linux. I read there s a Virtualbox program that allows one to run Windows 7, etc. safely on your computer without control from the outside. Thoughts are Virtualbox?

[Edited 2/17/16 10:55am]

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i have to keep checking for the update KB3035583. microsoft keeps pushing it on me with each downloaded group of updates but i keep selecting 'don't install'.

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i think i also monkeyed around in task scheduler and deleted an entry whereby the computer was scheduled to check for and download the KB3035583 file.

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it took a while to figure out how to disable the little bugger.

How utterly time consuming and annoying. I thought when I deleted it that was the end of it. What did you do with the task scheduler to keep it from coming back?

purplethunder3121 said:

XxAxX said:

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i have to keep checking for the update KB3035583. microsoft keeps pushing it on me with each downloaded group of updates but i keep selecting 'don't install'.

.

i think i also monkeyed around in task scheduler and deleted an entry whereby the computer was scheduled to check for and download the KB3035583 file.

.

it took a while to figure out how to disable the little bugger.

How utterly time consuming and annoying. I thought when I deleted it that was the end of it. What did you do with the task scheduler to keep it from coming back?

if i remember correctly, first i had to re-set the permissions function so that the system would recognize me as the UBER administrator and allow me to delete or stop functions the system deems vital. this did not work. the setup is such that no matter what i do i am unable to become the over-ride control master. my computer tells me what to do and that's it.

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nevertheless, i was able to change enough of the permissions function to be able to delete scheduled tasks such as 'GWX' which is basically 'get windows ten'.

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it took a while because i was winging it, but now i no longer have reminders and that freaking little program GWX installing itself and running in the background...

You know, the more and more I use a computer, the more it strikes me that all these user interfaces were put together with NO THOUGHT AS TO HOW A HUMAN BEING USES A COMPUTER!!! I just came back from the gym and decided to put on "If I had a harem" - Linux wouldn't let me play the file from the USB stick I have it on, and I, for God's sake, even *I*, staunch Linux supporter that I am, had to jump through hoops in order to simply LISTEN TO A SONG! Fucking around with filesystems and root permissions and God knows what other crap - at every step of the way it being drilled into my head that all this box is is just a soulless machine which doesn't understand "The Funk"! I don't think I have EVER listened to "Adore" on a computer - it's just insane to think of THAT song, one I consider probably THE greatest song ever made, coming off some Linux interface.

I've never fallen asleep to music coming from my puter, something my tape recorder let me do 20 years ago!!

All this software is written in a Corporate American Environment. Most of the time FOR an Coporate American Environment. However, what *I* want to do with my computer is to listen to music, watch movies, surf the web, play games, and, y'know, watch a few naked ladies from time to time I don't think important people like either Bill Gates OR Linus Torvalds/Richard Stallman have put any thought into that. I mean Bill Gates is the sort of guy who goes to Davos, for God's sake!

Y'know *I* would love to design a cool interface for Linux. Only I don't know the programming language required to code one! (and I would need to know a lot more about the GUI's insides). So - I just want to throw this open to the Org - how many of you guys would be willing to pay something, say $50 (US), like TD said, in order to have a computer that would actually be FUN, and a little less dehumanising to use....? I'm NOT soliciting, if need be I can easily go to Kickstarter, but, well, I just wanna know, from ordinary human beings! All of us use these things, without it we would never have met each other, so they do have their advantages. Only thing needed to be done is to Kill Bill

...oh, and Purple, I'll be waiting for your post, bro!

XxAxX said:

purplethunder3121 said:

How utterly time consuming and annoying. I thought when I deleted it that was the end of it. What did you do with the task scheduler to keep it from coming back?

if i remember correctly, first i had to re-set the permissions function so that the system would recognize me as the UBER administrator and allow me to delete or stop functions the system deems vital. this did not work. the setup is such that no matter what i do i am unable to become the over-ride control master. my computer tells me what to do and that's it.

.

nevertheless, i was able to change enough of the permissions function to be able to delete scheduled tasks such as 'GWX' which is basically 'get windows ten'.

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it took a while because i was winging it, but now i no longer have reminders and that freaking little program GWX installing itself and running in the background...

I'm gonna get on this immediately. And do some research to decide what I'm going to do in the future to avoid Windows 10 and its kind. Thanks.

domainator2010 said:

purple, do you mean ON virtualbox?

I've never used it myself, but what it is is, virtualisation software, which will indeed allow you to run Windows inside Linux. I've used VMWAre, one of it's brethren, the other way round - to run Linux on Windows, it was beautiful, and well nigh UNBELIEVABLE from a technical perspective.....

Can you explain your problem clearly? What is it you want to do? What do you want to use Windows inside Linux FOR? What do you mean "without control from the outside"?

[Edited 2/17/16 23:57pm]

[Edited 2/18/16 0:09am]

I've been reading postings from someone online about how he set up Virtual Box to "safely" use Windows 7, XP, etc. without any intereference or monitoring from Microsoft at all. Someone on this thread said you could use it for that purpose (I'll have to scroll through the postings again). I want to be able to use my computer the way I want without being forced to download or use stuff I don't want, I don't want someone monitoring my every move on the computer, and certainly not recording everything I say to other people (whether it is on the computer or inside my own home when speaking aloud!). That, in a nutshell, is what I want. But, I am not a computer savvy person, so I have to do research and rely on all you pros out there who have done this stuff before. I know absolutely nothing about Linux, but this alarming business with Windows 10, among other things, is enough to make me abandon Windows and go over to the other side. Bill Gates can go stuff himself. That is my non-technical rant of the day.

domainator2010 said:

...oh, and Purple, I'll be waiting for your post, bro!

See my non-technical rant above^^^

purplethunder3121 said:

domainator2010 said:

purple, do you mean ON virtualbox?

I've never used it myself, but what it is is, virtualisation software, which will indeed allow you to run Windows inside Linux. I've used VMWAre, one of it's brethren, the other way round - to run Linux on Windows, it was beautiful, and well nigh UNBELIEVABLE from a technical perspective.....

Can you explain your problem clearly? What is it you want to do? What do you want to use Windows inside Linux FOR? What do you mean "without control from the outside"?

[Edited 2/17/16 23:57pm]

[Edited 2/18/16 0:09am]

I've been reading postings from someone online about how he set up Virtual Box to "safely" use Windows 7, XP, etc. without any intereference or monitoring from Microsoft at all. Someone on this thread said you could use it for that purpose (I'll have to scroll through the postings again). I want to be able to use my computer the way I want without being forced to download or use stuff I don't want, I don't want someone monitoring my every move on the computer, and certainly not recording everything I say to other people (whether it is on the computer or inside my own home when speaking aloud!). That, in a nutshell, is what I want. But, I am not a computer savvy person, so I have to do research and rely on all you pros out there who have done this stuff before. I know absolutely nothing about Linux, but this alarming business with Windows 10, among other things, is enough to make me abandon Windows and go over to the other side. Bill Gates can go stuff himself. That is my non-technical rant of the day.

no matter how i tried to shift things, 'trusted installer' has control and mastery over my computer forever. i can go into task master all i like but even manually i can't stop trusted installer from doing its thing.

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i get that whenever 'trusted installer' is running in the background this is microsoft working with my computer directly, but it bothers me how little real control i have over what it downloads and installs. i always wonder why trusted installer doesn't obey my instructions pertaining to my security and update preference: 'let me know that updates are available and let me choose when to download and install them'.

purplethunder3121 said:

I've been reading postings from someone online about how he set up Virtual Box to "safely" use Windows 7, XP, etc. without any intereference or monitoring from Microsoft at all. Someone on this thread said you could use it for that purpose (I'll have to scroll through the postings again). I want to be able to use my computer the way I want without being forced to download or use stuff I don't want, I don't want someone monitoring my every move on the computer, and certainly not recording everything I say to other people (whether it is on the computer or inside my own home when speaking aloud!). That, in a nutshell, is what I want. But, I am not a computer savvy person, so I have to do research and rely on all you pros out there who have done this stuff before. I know absolutely nothing about Linux, but this alarming business with Windows 10, among other things, is enough to make me abandon Windows and go over to the other side. Bill Gates can go stuff himself. That is my non-technical rant of the day.

OK, I have to say I know nothing about how to do that - what I'm sure you can do, if you're running Windows inside Linux is to configure the virtual machine to block access to the net - in that case it will be impossible to spy on you - but then you will be offline - i.e. YOU can't surf the web etc. either!

But that doesn't change the main thing - why do you want to run Windows inside Linux??!!! That's like having a Ferrari and putting a rickshaw inside it and riding that!! Just use Linux itself.....? You're new NOW, you won't be new FOREVER....??

On top of that, there are distros (a particular "type" of Linux) that are made to look and feel like Win, just to help people transition easy - Google "Zorin OS".

I can help you lots with Linux - what you need to know for the time being is that you can TRY IT OUT LIVE - ie. you download the file from the net and burn a disc, and then you can run it from the disc without touching your current system!! So you use, use, use, and when you think you're ready, THEN you go ahead and put it on your system - the most prevalent distro to do this right now is Linux Mint which has Flash and MP3 support out-of-the box - in short all your songs will play. Here's the site - www.linuxmint.com .

Sound good?

Hey wait - I just Googled it and it appears that Linux Mint's website was hacked!! The stuff you download was compromised! And the site seems to be down too! Not good.

Wait a couple of days and THEN go there!

purplethunder3121 said:

TD3 said:

Yes, but...

You should be aware, Microsoft is downloading optional and now recommended updates that have "Telemetry" features as Windows 10 has. Good news (link provided my TonyVanDamn in his post) you can disable those features. But in the future, I'd recommend not to just take Microsoft's Recommended or Optional updates for granted... you should research what those updates do, not do, and if they improve the performance of your computer or if its just piece of spyware to collect your data. I'll post from time to time what updates you should possible NOT install.

Needless to say Windows 7 & Windows 8.1 support doesn't end till January 14, 2020 & January 10, 2014 respectively. Note: If you purchase a Win 7 / 8.1 computer, you want to avoid the one with the Skylark INTEL processor. Why? In an attempt to bully Win 7 / 8.1 users and those in Enterprise to upgrade to Windows 10. Microsoft will not provide support for Win 7 / 8.1 users if you have the Skylark Intel processor. So, if you have plans to purchase a new computer, go 1 gen back....the last generation of supported Intel processors are known as Broadwell, and those chips are still widely available.

It's a damn shame its come to this but here we are... the sad things we have choices. Unfortunately, people have been willing to give up their data via Internet Browser, with little thought. But now Microsoft has claimed rights to our computer, its hardware as if it were "eminent domain."

Damn, what choices are we really left with then? After someone buys the computers you suggest and they die...what is left? Buying used computers from those who know how to bootstrap around "the Man?" (Sorry for the 60s lingo--but this pisses me the hell off.). I'll be watching this site and paying much more attention to what I buy and do with computers in the future.

The Internet Founding Founder's Issue A Warning (link)

Keep the Faith. There are options.

1. You could go with Mac

2. You can still go with Window 7. When Win 7 support is finished, you can download Linux to that computer. Every PC I've ever owned life has been extened a decade more switching it to Linux Distro

3. You can purchase used laptop / desktop: I purchase refurbished / open-box computers all the time. I just purchased a couple of HP (minus OS for $89 bucks) to add to our Linux computer center. When I upload my, How To Video's ( YouTube) you'll see how easy Linux is to download and use. There are 'bout ten essential " teriminal commands" you may need to use... five of those commnands you probably won't ever use. LInux is pretty much plug and play these days and updates are a click and that's it.

4. Mico-computer, in my opinion is the future: Single board computer like Raspberry Pi / ARM Technology are becoming more powerful and can do multiple things. For example, ODROID : C+1 & UX-4 models and soon to be released and not pictured C2 (<link) ( the other ODROID's are refurbished but discontinued models) are perfect for people who are "general purpose computer" users. I predicte in the near future... gamers, music recording, and/or photo and video editing will be possible... on these little computers.

The cool thing about ODROID is you can purchass a eMMC module (embedded memory ) or a SD card with Ubunut Linux software already installed. Those Linux commands I spoke about, those will be the essentials to keep everything running smoothly.. unless you want to stepup you game an use the ODROID for other things. Still not complicated even for the computer novice.

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domainator2010 said:

Hey wait - I just Googled it and it appears that Linux Mint's website was hacked!! The stuff you download was compromised! And the site seems to be down too! Not good.

Wait a couple of days and THEN go there!

Some hacked the Linux Mint Cinnamon (mirror downloads)... torrent downloads weren't effected. Torrents are distributed from several seeders and peers, and once they are in circulation, it is not possible to manipulate the data, say replace it with a hacked image. It appears only Linux Cinnamon 17.3 was affected... for some reason.

If you have downloaded Linux Mint on February 20th from the official website using direct links, or downloaded the Linux distribution earlier and want to make sure that it is clean, then you have the following options.

If you have the ISO image available, you can check its signature to make sure it is valid. If you run Linux, use the command md5sum nameofiso.iso, e..g md5sum linuxmint-17.3-cinnamon-64bit.iso.

Still if you wan't to purchase on the Linux MInt Flavors - Ebay seller: maxweis1. I've bought somethings from him in the past, pro seller.

Windows users can use a program like RekSFV or File Verifier for that instead.

The ISO image is clean if the signature matches one of those listed below.

6e7f7e03500747c6c3bfece2c9c8394f linuxmint-17.3-cinnamon-32bit.iso
e71a2aad8b58605e906dbea444dc4983 linuxmint-17.3-cinnamon-64bit.iso
30fef1aa1134c5f3778c77c4417f7238 linuxmint-17.3-cinnamon-nocodecs-32bit.iso
3406350a87c201cdca0927b1bc7c2ccd linuxmint-17.3-cinnamon-nocodecs-64bit.iso
df38af96e99726bb0a1ef3e5cd47563d linuxmint-17.3-cinnamon-oem-64bit.iso

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Excellent! Excellent! Great info, thanks TD!

Did that help you, purple?

What distro are YOU using, TD?

Oh btw, just to tell purple, Mint MATE is much lighter on the system than Cinnamon.... so get that one (soon as the site comes back up that is!)

domainator2010 said:

Excellent! Excellent! Great info, thanks TD!

Did that help you, purple?

What distro are YOU using, TD?

I'm using Linux Mate' 17.3 Rosa on my self-build desktop & Linux XFCE 17.1 on a 9 year HP laptop.

Cinnamon if fine but I've always used Mate'. I'm not into to bells and whistles. I prefer my computers resources allocated to the programs and/or task I want it to preform. I like Mate' because its customizable... predictable & steady.

I'd like to see Clem, develop Mint ARM for single board computers.Though it could be the Mint Team may not have resources or time to develop or maintain ARM tech.