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We've talked about it before: Lab grown meat. Would it answer the ethics of killing? It's not coming to a local gorcery near you anytime soon. Not at a cost of $325,000, I don't know the amount that is but I don't think it's more than a couple of lbs.  http://www.versiondaily.c...e-of-food/ CHALLENGES OF CULTURED OR LAB-GROWN MEAT Producing edible meat from lab-grown muscle tissues undeniably costs a fortune that would make cultured meat an unwelcome alternative to livestock raising. However, it is important to note that the lab-grown burger demonstrated by Post and his team was a one-time shot. Considering the economies of scale, cost advantage is attainable especially if researchers and investors are able to address the required scalability for a viable operation. Post noted that scalable manufacturing would require new game-changing innovation that could appear a decade or two from now. Improving the taste and flavour is another issue. The lab-grown burger introduced and sampled in 2013 tasted considerably different from actual beef burger because of the absence of fat. Post and his team at Maastricht University are currently working to address this issue, particularly by culturing fatty tissue in addition to muscle fibres. Because the process of stimulating cell growth and growing muscle fibres is different in laboratories than in nature, lab-grown meat falls short of the nutritional value found in normal meat. Take iron as an example. Lab-grown meat lacks a circulatory system needed to transport the iron and oxygen-binding myoglobin. Current process used to culture muscle fibres also requires the use of animal product. In laboratories, stem cells are grown using a fetal bovine serum extracted from unborn calves. This process seems unsustainable and it defeats the concept of cruelty-free meet. In addition, disease-contaminated batch of fetal bovine serum could mean disaster. Post and his team are exploring photosynthetic algae or cyanobacteria as an alternative to fetal bovine serum. Acceptance is another issue. Some consumers might have a hard time accepting the thought that they would be eating meat grown in laboratories and infused with chemicals. Nonetheless, like any other developments in food technology, notably the advent of food processing, embracing lab-grown meat would require time. Post, in his 2012 study, wrote, “In order to serve as a credible alternative to livestock meat, lab or factory grown meat should be efficiently produced and should mimic meat in all of its physical sensations, such as visual appearance, smell, texture, and of course, taste. “The efficient culture of meat will primarily depend on culture conditions such as the source of medium and its composition,” he added. “Protein synthesis by cultured skeletal muscle cells should further be maximized by finding the optimal combination of biochemical and physical conditions for the cells. Many of these variables are known, but their interactions are numerous and need to be mapped. This involves a systematic, if not systems, approach.” | |
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Hell, no! It's bad enough to we have to eat Frankenfood fruits and vegetables engineered by Montanto. Now, we're supposed to eat engineered meat, too?! "Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything." --Plato
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We've moved to far away from nature on this planet. This is too much like the science fiction movies I grew up with. What's next? Soylent Green? 
it's definitely more methical than killing sentient animals, for sure. but personally, i wish that the 'meat industry' would suck their own cocks*
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^  a monster is createdI find myself at a crossroad as a Star Trek lover. How much of "natural" would I be willing to trade to achieve a society like the Star Trek world. They synthesized food. It's a tough one. | |
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Yeah, I wish we could live in a Star Trek universe. But, we have to live in this one. One thing I loved about the original series (and other movies like Soylent Green back then) that I loved were the warnings about how uncontrolled technology and checks and balances in the way we treat people in government administration were (and are!) crucial to a well-balanced society and well-being for individuals in that scenario in general... Too much ignored today. Food choices are only the beginning of control... "Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything." --Plato
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But where do we begin today to lead to that future? I get what you're saying. The article did say this "However, there is also a concern that lab-grown meat would further promote the commercialisation of food production. The technological requirements needed to grow meat in laboratories could reduce the self-sufficiency of communities, thus making them dependent on few global food corporations." Which can be easily overlooked despite seeing that happen around us constantly> But then am "I" only seeing through americanized eyes which has had a history especially with food to have the capacity to over-produce, giving rise to the fast food industry which nearly controls all our food production. Many other places don't have the production luxury we have here to be choosy, they are becoming desperate for an altenative. Soon even America will be in the same boat. | |
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No I just can't............... just can't
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. the ability to hydroponically grow nutritious algae and other foods in our own homes could be a really great thing. . i betcha if someone were to make a ricky-style move and sell hydroponic home-grow units (recycling bins . right now, americans are still puzzled about the obesity epidemic. once the general public makes the obvious connection between obesity and the corporate crap posing as food, i think people will be willing to check out healthier alternatives. . we're starting to see that in the organics industry, people really want healthy alternatives. now, we need to return growing power to the people, which we can do using tech, even in urban settings. [Edited 1/10/16 7:59am] | |
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) for food, people would buy them.Algae?! Seriously? How many ways of wrong could that be? Oh gotta post another idea when I find it again. | |
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if it was tender, tasty, and AN OPTION why not?
i further suspect that the thugs of the likes of food inc would ever support it. Nor would the monsters pushing the man made global climate change agenda... as both support major population controls and we KNOW by their acts that they are not interested in feeding more people but quite the opposite: making food much harder to come by and much more expensive as to reduce the world populations. "Keep on shilling for Big Pharm!" |
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LOL so would you support banning of the meat industry? I wish i had the money to have a small farm... i would farm cows and shrimp and lobster and deer an d elk... or any other things i may like to eat. "Keep on shilling for Big Pharm!" |
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PROPOSED AND EXISTING VERTICAL FARMS AROUND THE WORLD Modern vertical farms exist in Asian countries, especially in Singapore, South Korea, and Japan where crowded urban areas and scarce land areas have compelled urban planners and engineers to come up with novel agricultural solutions and innovations. The first commercial and fully operational vertical farm emerged in Singapore in 2012. Designed and developed by Sky Greens Farms, a subsidiary of industrial company Sky Urban Solutions Holding Pte. Ltd., the vertical farm emerges as a solution to ensure food supply resilience in Singapore. South Korea is still on its way of further developing its vertical farms. Currently, the country has a vertical farm located in Gyeonggi Province that features machineries and artificial environment for planting and growing a variety of agricultural produces. The team responsible for this vertical farm has proposed to transport the technology in Qatar. United States based company AeroFarms LLC is set to open the largest indoor vertical farm in the world this 2015. The company has turned an old 69,000 square-foot steel factory in Newark, New Jersey into an indoor farm that will grow 2 million pounds of pesticide-free produces every year. This targeted output is 75 times more productive than traditional open field farming. Designer Claudio Palavecino Llanos from Chile has proposed the use of wasted useless urban lands generated by road junctions along urban highways for vertical farming. Doing so would give value to an undefined zone. The future of the global society currently depends on food security. With ballooning global population coupled with pressing environmental issues, vertical farming is undeniably an exciting solution to support current population trends while also resolving existing environmental problems. Furthermore, it can bolster food production by turning non-arable areas around the globe, including certain parts of Middle East and Africa, into productive agricultural hubs. The concept can also support other developments in food technology, notably cultured or lab-grown meat. It is interesting to note that vertical farming is attuned with other innovative solutions centred on promoting sustainability, including smart city initiatives and green technologies. | |
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. you are putting words into my mouth there. don't do that. . yes i would compeltely eradicate factory farms. small farms, humane treatment of animals is different. | |
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Me too, but is such a complex issue and a very scary one for me. | |
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Ok we have the slow elimination for the need of grocery stores. Less truck on the roadways. This is our reality at the moment. 'Closer proximity of agriculture hubs could also lessen the price of crops. Take note that in vertical farming, crops would be sold in the same facilities in which they are grown. This would definitely cut costs associated with transportation and intermediaries. In addition, this could also mean less spoilage thereby resulting in better productivity and profitability." http://www.versiondaily.c...roduction/" target="_blank"> http://www.versiondaily.c...roduction/ | |
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that's what i mean the big ones..." i wish that the 'meat industry' would suck their own cocks*" I used the same words you used "meat industry" "Keep on shilling for Big Pharm!" |
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. okay, sorry I misread what you said~@ personally, i don't much like eating meat. except, once in a while. and yes, if animals were allowed a good life and humanely slaughtered, like kosher meat is handled, meat prices would rise. . imo, it's immoral to treat sentient creatures the way they are treated on factory farms. even on this violent, merciless planet, we still have a responsibility to treat them humanely. (imo) . eradicating factory farms would be a good thing. small farms would mean more jobs for farmers (who have been squeezed out of business by corporate giants). . americans eat too much meat as it is. it's bad for our health, our bodies cannot even absorb that much meat protein and some have speculated the antibiotics and other crap factory farmed animals are given, here and abroad, are contributing to the obesity epidemic. . and now that we have the new 'country of origin' law, which does not provide consumers with details about where the meat was grown, 'the meat industry' is even scarier. just my2c. .
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I ain't eating that mess. We don’t mourn artists because we knew them. We mourn them because they helped us know ourselves. | |
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We don’t mourn artists because we knew them. We mourn them because they helped us know ourselves. | |
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I'm a savage I hardly eat either any of that. I've rounded that corner where my palate isn't very diverse anymore. I have memory of this being mention before. Not quite feeling it.
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I couldn't say it's a definite "no" on trying any of this stuff. A big part of me is crinkling up my nose in disgust, but then my mind starts that ST idealology with a promising future crap in my head and then I feel hypocritical so I'd probably would at least try it. | |
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^ imo a large part of our reaction is driven by cultural proximity and advertising. for example, if one lives in japan seaweed soup and tofu eggs become somehow normal. maybe if we all grew up eating from algae tanks we'd be all like yummy algae for breakfast again this morning!! yay!!!!! | |
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