SquirrelMeat said:

namepeace said:

My 13 year old daughter said to me, "What if Rey is like Anakin...she has no father. What if she's really the Chosen One and Anakin wasnt, because he turned into Darth Vader." I said, "Hmmm...."

lrn36 said:

TonyVanDam said:

ANSWER: Shades of Episode 5: TESB! Remember when Luke (with only R2-D2) had to find Yoda?

All this talk of diversity casting and all the racism John Boyega had to endure from fans and his role ends up being the most racist, ass backward role I've seen in major motion picture in a long time. The guy was a runaway slave janitor who instantly falls in love with the first white girl he sees and follows her around like a lost puppy. He then holds the lightsaber for Rey until she rightfully claims it. The way he's all up on Poe like he found his new best friend is beyond irritating. Why is all the comic relief laid on this character. "Droid, please." Seriously? "Who da boss now Phasma? Who da boss, now?" What is this crap? This character is Ruby Rhod, Jar Jar Binks, and Stepin Fetchin all rolled in one..

Seriously, the only black guy in the movie and he's a janitor. He has a change of conscious and doesn't want to kill on his first assignment, but he has no problem killing his fellow stormtroopers whom he was raised with. How did we go from Lando Calrissian the businessman to Mace Windu the Jedi Master to Fn-2187(because he can't have a real name) janitor?

This is just one of the problems I had with this cynical movie.

:spit @ how you said that!

Real talk, what do think about the idea that the Rebel Forces currently has a white woman (Leia) for a leader. Do you think it shows an overtone that a woman can be "commander in chief" if given a chance (TRANSLATION: Hillary for 2016)?

OnlyNDaUsa said:

lrn36 said:

All this talk of diversity casting and all the racism John Boyega had to endure from fans and his role ends up being the most racist, ass backward role I've seen in major motion picture in a long time. The guy was a runaway slave janitor who instantly falls in love with the first white girl he sees and follows her around like a lost puppy. He then holds the lightsaber for Rey until she rightfully claims it. The way he's all up on Poe like he found his new best friend is beyond irritating. Why is all the comic relief laid on this character. "Droid, please." Seriously? "Who da boss now Phasma? Who da boss, now?" What is this crap? This character is Ruby Rhod, Jar Jar Binks, and Stepin Fetchin all rolled in one.

Seriously, the only black guy in the movie and he's a janitor. He has a change of conscious and doesn't want to kill on his first assignment, but he has no problem killing his fellow stormtroopers whom he was raised with. How did we go from Lando Calrissian the businessman to Mace Windu the Jedi Master to Fn-2187(because he can't have a real name) janitor?

This is just one of the problems I had with this cynical movie.

the part of FIN was written without any race in mind. John tried out and he got the part.

I would have to say the way Fin acted was what one would expect a person living in that situation to be like once they escaped. every aspect of his life was tightly controlled. So yeah the firsy guy he meets he would likely want to bond with and would do so awkwardly... and i would also thing the first woman he ran into and got to know he may get a crush on...

But he did steal Poe's jacket...


And huh... ALL the storm troopers had alphanumeric names .... TK241 (THX1138 in the book) is that racist too?


Also the majority of slaves on Earth were other than African...


But really if you find this movie to be racist I am going just shake my head...

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Those "slave names" seem more like prisoner numbers.

breakdown2k14 said:

UncleJam said:

lrn36 said:

BobGeorge909 said:

CarrieMpls said:

TonyVanDam said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

the part of FIN was written without any race in mind. John tried out and he got the part.

I would have to say the way Fin acted was what one would expect a person living in that situation to be like once they escaped. every aspect of his life was tightly controlled. So yeah the firsy guy he meets he would likely want to bond with and would do so awkwardly... and i would also thing the first woman he ran into and got to know he may get a crush on...

But he did steal Poe's jacket...


And huh... ALL the storm troopers had alphanumeric names .... TK241 (THX1138 in the book) is that racist too?


Also the majority of slaves on Earth were other than African...


But really if you find this movie to be racist I am going just shake my head...

[Edited 12/20/15 7:57am]

Those "slave names" seem more like prisoner numbers.

it is really just a name that makes it all easy... i never thought of TK241 to be the name but a call sign... it is a little like the book Anthem by Ayn Rand where people have numbers for names... or at least part of their names. All part of stopping people from having an identity.

CarrieMpls said:

Can I make you a recommendation? Watch them in the following order: ep 4, 5, then 1, 2, 3 then 6. There's also what's called "machete order" which is the same as the above, but skipping episode 1 entirely. This allows you to see them in a fun order that preserves most spoilers, starts with release date order with the focus on Luke, then goes to the backstory of Darth Vader before finishing up with the end of Luke's journey.

I'll rewatch The Star Wars Saga in any order as long as Episode 1: TPM is no longer part of the vocabulary.

TonyVanDam said:

CarrieMpls said:

Can I make you a recommendation? Watch them in the following order: ep 4, 5, then 1, 2, 3 then 6. There's also what's called "machete order" which is the same as the above, but skipping episode 1 entirely. This allows you to see them in a fun order that preserves most spoilers, starts with release date order with the focus on Luke, then goes to the backstory of Darth Vader before finishing up with the end of Luke's journey.

I'll rewatch The Star Wars Saga in any order as long as Episode 1: TPM is no longer part of the vocabulary.

oddly i rather watch I than III! But just today i got the OT on Blu-ray! LOL (walmart has them for $34 for Blu-ray and DVD)

OnlyNDaUsa said:

lol remember the bit in the book when Ben says something like "even a duck must learn to swim" and Luke is like "What's a duck" and Ben says "never mind"

I always remember that line. Not kidding, it cameinto my mind just the other day. Kenobi was quite a traveler in the original novel.

But no one here is Star Wars-knowledgable enough to know about humans understanding droids? Even the EU peeps?

It was such a big part of the scenes in the original trilogy. It was the main function of C3PO.

It seemed that droids didn't speak a language that could be understood by organic creatures. Which makes sense within the Star Wars universe. What doesn't make sense is how Rey could understand the noises the BB-8 makes.

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Would it be that big a deal to give some iniatiative outside of following Rey. His character was like, "Miss Rey. Miss Rey. I's follow you to the end of the world. I sure loves me some Miss Rey. She's always been good to me. Miss Rey, you don't want this light saber? I's hold it for ya, until you's good n ready to use it. I sure loves Miss Rey." Seriously? They couldn't make him a resistance spy or something. He had to play the classic black sidekick role who's so happy to be free. Have we regressed this much in film? No one should be playing a role like this male, female, black, or white.

I'm sorry. That will be it from me. I don't want to disrupt this thread. This character stuck like a sore thumb to me. I just had to get that off my chest.

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ufoclub said:

lrn36 said:

CarrieMpls said:

Can I make you a recommendation? Watch them in the following order: ep 4, 5, then 1, 2, 3 then 6. There's also what's called "machete order" which is the same as the above, but skipping episode 1 entirely. This allows you to see them in a fun order that preserves most spoilers, starts with release date order with the focus on Luke, then goes to the backstory of Darth Vader before finishing up with the end of Luke's journey.

Your recommendation is worth... one quarter portion.

Hudson said:

CarrieMpls said:

Can I make you a recommendation? Watch them in the following order: ep 4, 5, then 1, 2, 3 then 6. There's also what's called "machete order" which is the same as the above, but skipping episode 1 entirely. This allows you to see them in a fun order that preserves most spoilers, starts with release date order with the focus on Luke, then goes to the backstory of Darth Vader before finishing up with the end of Luke's journey.

Your recommendation is worth... one quarter portion.

EmmaMcG said:

So they are saying that R2 got his part of the map way back in ANH when he was plugged into the Death Star....


Also that the reason Luke was not seen until the last 30 seconds was they wanted to reintroduce the new cast without him taking over?

and everyone assumes that Rey is Luke's kid... which explains the vision when she touched the light saber...(some memory some the future)

BobGeorge909 said:

namepeace said:

And actually, this was the funniest of the SW films. Even Ren and the Stormtroopers had some funny moments. I can't help but think all of the parodies over the years -- Family Guy, Robot Chicken, etc. -- had some influence on the lighter moments of the movie.

I loved when kylo is throwing a fit and two stormtroopers see what's up and about-face outta there. Lol.

That got me too, that reminded me so much Robot Chicken's "Gary The Stormtrooper" bits.

Did you know that Yoda and Obi-Wan speak during Rey's vision after she touches the lightsaber? Obi-Wan was voiced by both Alec Guiness saying "Rey" (cut from the Don't be Afraid" line he says to R2 in ANH) and Ewan McGregor.

http://www.ew.com/article...ce-awakens

Hudson said:

EmmaMcG said:

lrn36 said:

Would it be that big a deal to give some iniatiative outside of following Rey. His character was like, "Miss Rey. Miss Rey. I's follow you to the end of the world. I sure loves me some Miss Rey. She's always been good to me. Miss Rey, you don't want this light saber? I's hold it for ya, until you's good n ready to use it. I sure loves Miss Rey." Seriously? They couldn't make him a resistance spy or something. He had to play the classic black sidekick role who's so happy to be free. Have we regressed this much in film? No one should be playing a role like this male, female, black, or white.

I'm sorry. That will be it from me. I don't want to disrupt this thread. This character stuck like a sore thumb to me. I just had to get that off my chest.

[Edited 12/20/15 20:13pm]

Wow. I honestly don't think that's how the character was intended but maybe we'll see him have more important stuff to do in the next one.

Neither do I.

Look, Finn's relationship with Rey was going to hit a nerve from many different corners. But lrn's take doesn't quite fit the timeline of the movie.

Setting aside the fact that Rey was probably the first woman Finn had ever seen out of uniform in his life (black or white) . . . Rey was NOT Finn's first order of business.

Finn's first objective was to get away. His first big act was to free Poe so he could break him out. Then he tried to find Poe, and when he encountered Rey, he wanted to get BB-8 back to the resistance and get off the planet.

Once Solo and Chewie got them to Takodana, Finn actually would have left with the Outer Rim pirates had the First Order not attacked. After that, Finn is really only left with one choice -- the same choice that Solo faced with Luke *and* Leia in Episodes IV and V. He's bonded with Rey and wants to rescue her.


As the first central black character in the SW Universe, Finn can't win. He's going to get criticism from all corners, and his character arc isn't even complete.

OnlyNDaUsa said:

TonyVanDam said:

I'll rewatch The Star Wars Saga in any order as long as Episode 1: TPM is no longer part of the vocabulary.

oddly i rather watch I than III! But just today i got the OT on Blu-ray! LOL (walmart has them for $34 for Blu-ray and DVD)

Episode 1: TPM made the entire Star Wars saga a freaking joke for quite a while. Episode 2: AOTC & The Clones Wars are far better introductions.

EmmaMcG said:

Hudson said:

Did you know that Yoda and Obi-Wan speak during Rey's vision after she touches the lightsaber? Obi-Wan was voiced by both Alec Guiness saying "Rey" (cut from the Don't be Afraid" line he says to R2 in ANH) and Ewan McGregor.

http://www.ew.com/article...ce-awakens

I must listen out for that when I go see it again. That's pretty cool though. I wonder if it would be out of the question for Ewan McGregor to appear as a ghost in episode 8?

There's a rumor that Hayden Christensen will pe playing the ghost of Anakin in Episode VIII. As you can imagine, the original trilogy purists are disgusted.