SuperFurryAnimal said:

Yes in another spoiler they had a lot right but they had Princess Leia dying in a millennium falcon crash and this weighing heavy on Rey. In a way it makes sense that Solo would be killed by one of the ultimate betrayals, he was deep down good but its clear he would fuck over many when it involves money.

i read that all the main 4 died... so i guess only one death is a win..

one thing i really want an explanation for is how did they see the plants explode were thoes worlds in the same system? was that stated? I know they said the name of the system but I forgot...any other system would be light years away.

also I do not buy her understating BB8...but that is also a thing in Rebels.

i do like how they fixed the issue with how droids get into the xwings...sure R2 could fly in the PT but not in the OT (as he had to be lifted and set into the droid socket in ANH. Going up from the bottom makes way more sense.

Remember Kylo was blasted in the gut by Chewbacca's crossbow and Finn got some shots in on him too before he even faced Rey. So it didn't bug me that Rey was holding her own against him.

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As for humans understanding droids Anakin and Luke both understood and talked with R2 in the other movies.

I've been following a thread where they are discussing the novelization of the movie. It seems they cut a lot out for the final edit. Also some scenes from the trailers were absent from the movie. None of it is huge but it explains the little things the movie skips. Like the star system they destroyed. I believe they do in the book. Hosnian Prime was the planet along with 4 nearby moons and it was now the New Republic capital. I'm gonna have to get the book.

SmiggyG said:

Remember Kylo was blasted in the gut by Chewbacca's crossbow and Finn got some shots in on him too before he even faced Rey. So it didn't bug me that Rey was holding her own against him.

Yeah i ment to mention that too...but chewie should have never be able to hit him...

As for humans understanding droids Anakin and Luke both understood and talked with R2 in the other movies.

No... Luke got the gist sometimes and a few times he read what he said off the cockpit screen but luke did not understand R2... i do not recal anikin but i really do not care for the PT.

I've been following a thread where they are discussing the novelization of the movie. It seems they cut a lot out for the final edit. Also some scenes from the trailers were absent from the movie. None of it is huge but it explains the little things the movie skips. Like the star system they destroyed. I believe they do in the book. Hosnian Prime was the planet along with 4 nearby moons and it was now the New Republic capital. I'm gonna have to get the book.

I may get the book too... i hear it is on kindle now but i want a book...

I love the movie. I saw it once on Friday and once on Saturday!!! It was excellent.

As far as Rey being interrogated by Ben Solo/Kylo Ren and even the lightsaber fight with Ben Solo, I get the feeling that she was possessed by Luke Skywalker. She wouldn't have known how to do that Jedi Mind Trick, whereas Luke does. She also wouldn't have known how to make the lightsaber fly to her hand in the fight, but Luke using the Force through her would.

I also love how everything in the trailers was in the movie. That's a rare thing to me. Some how, some way, there's generally things in the trailers that are never in movies but that wasn't the case with Episode 7.

I can't wait for Episode 8. I think it was cool to have a female use a lightsaber to kick ass effect in the main movies. Women fought in the prequels but not as intensely as Rey did in Episode 7! She beat Ben Solo's ass!!!!!!!!!!! Finn was cool too!

On my third viewing I noticed Luke's hand looks like Anakin's at the end of Attack of the Clones instead of the real hand replica at the end of Empire Strikes Back.

UncleJam said:

I'm still thinking that Rey is a Solo...but it doesnt make sense that Han and Leia didnt tell her.

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Why would Leia and the rest of the Resistance send Rey, a girl none of them know...just a scavenger from Jakku...to find Luke Skywalker, the most important mofo in the galaxy, by herself? Did Luke tell Han and Leia not to tell Rey who she is, no matter what? I dunno...makes more sense that she's Luke's daughter...but that doesnt make sense either. If Luke had a daughter, why would he let her be abandoned...alone, living in squalor...simply because he failed training Ben Solo? Wouldnt he take her with him into exile, to protect and possibly train her himself? Doesnt he have a history and understanding of how hard it is to train a Jedi who is already grown and set in their ways (like he was when Yoda struggled to train him)? Again...WHO THE HELL IS REY?!?!

ANSWER: Shades of Episode 5: TESB! Remember when Luke (with only R2-D2) had to find Yoda?

TonyVanDam said:

UncleJam said:

I'm still thinking that Rey is a Solo...but it doesnt make sense that Han and Leia didnt tell her.

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Why would Leia and the rest of the Resistance send Rey, a girl none of them know...just a scavenger from Jakku...to find Luke Skywalker, the most important mofo in the galaxy, by herself? Did Luke tell Han and Leia not to tell Rey who she is, no matter what? I dunno...makes more sense that she's Luke's daughter...but that doesnt make sense either. If Luke had a daughter, why would he let her be abandoned...alone, living in squalor...simply because he failed training Ben Solo? Wouldnt he take her with him into exile, to protect and possibly train her himself? Doesnt he have a history and understanding of how hard it is to train a Jedi who is already grown and set in their ways (like he was when Yoda struggled to train him)? Again...WHO THE HELL IS REY?!?!

ANSWER: Shades of Episode 5: TESB! Remember when Luke (with only R2-D2) had to find Yoda?

All this talk of diversity casting and all the racism John Boyega had to endure from fans and his role ends up being the most racist, ass backward role I've seen in major motion picture in a long time. The guy was a runaway slave janitor who instantly falls in love with the first white girl he sees and follows her around like a lost puppy. He then holds the lightsaber for Rey until she rightfully claims it. The way he's all up on Poe like he found his new best friend is beyond irritating. Why is all the comic relief laid on this character. "Droid, please." Seriously? "Who da boss now Phasma? Who da boss, now?" What is this crap? This character is Ruby Rhod, Jar Jar Binks, and Stepin Fetchin all rolled in one.

Seriously, the only black guy in the movie and he's a janitor. He has a change of conscious and doesn't want to kill on his first assignment, but he has no problem killing his fellow stormtroopers whom he was raised with. How did we go from Lando Calrissian the businessman to Mace Windu the Jedi Master to Fn-2187(because he can't have a real name) janitor?

This is just one of the problems I had with this cynical movie.

breakdown2k14 said:

lrn36 said:

lrn36 said:

All this talk of diversity casting and all the racism John Boyega had to endure from fans and his role ends up being the most racist, ass backward role I've seen in major motion picture in a long time. The guy was a runaway slave janitor who instantly falls in love with the first white girl he sees and follows her around like a lost puppy. He then holds the lightsaber for Rey until she rightfully claims it. The way he's all up on Poe like he found his new best friend is beyond irritating. Why is all the comic relief laid on this character. "Droid, please." Seriously? "Who da boss now Phasma? Who da boss, now?" What is this crap? This character is Ruby Rhod, Jar Jar Binks, and Stepin Fetchin all rolled in one.

Seriously, the only black guy in the movie and he's a janitor. He has a change of conscious and doesn't want to kill on his first assignment, but he has no problem killing his fellow stormtroopers whom he was raised with. How did we go from Lando Calrissian the businessman to Mace Windu the Jedi Master to Fn-2187(because he can't have a real name) janitor?

This is just one of the problems I had with this cynical movie.

the part of FIN was written without any race in mind. John tried out and he got the part.

I would have to say the way Fin acted was what one would expect a person living in that situation to be like once they escaped. every aspect of his life was tightly controlled. So yeah the firsy guy he meets he would likely want to bond with and would do so awkwardly... and i would also thing the first woman he ran into and got to know he may get a crush on...

But he did steal Poe's jacket...


And huh... ALL the storm troopers had alphanumeric names .... TK241 (THX1138 in the book) is that racist too?


Also the majority of slaves on Earth were other than African...


But really if you find this movie to be racist I am going just shake my head...

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some other gripes i had were all the references to the OT.

and someone said that there were no plot holes in the OT...but there were... like how long was luke's training? a week? the Falcon had no light speed but still got to a system... and Liea was still the same cold weather clothing from Hoth?

but anyway: i do hope there is some explnation as to how they saw the planets exploding. (was it the same system or are we to belive that the systems were that close together? and still it would day days to see it...right?)

but then why yet another death star... but i did enjoy it very much.

SuperFurryAnimal said:

ufoclub said:

SuperFurryAnimal said:

I know i can understand R2. I also met Chewy a few weeks back and though the language barrier we were cordial.

Seriously, in all the original Star Wars movies no one but c3po could understand R2D2, and even in Empire, Luke is reading a translation on his screen when he is with R2 in the xwing on the way to Degobah. I don't remember humans understanding droids in the prequel trilogy either. But in this new movie you have Rey understanding digital noises coming from BB8. It seems like a big breaking of Star Wars rules. Something like Chewbacca is different, under the rules established by the original Star Wars, he is a live being that is speaking a language. Believe me, I read that novelization many many times back in 1977-1978.

lol remember the bit in the book when Ben says something like "even a duck must learn to swim" and Luke is like "What's a duck" and Ben says "never mind"

In the Empire book there is a part where Yoda throws a rod in the air and Luke is supposed to cut it up... I have seen that scene in an outtake reel!

and in the Jedi book Owen and Ben are brothers.

CarrieMpls said:

SquirrelMeat said:

Rey can't be a random, and they didn't explain why Leia and Rey embraced when Rey arrived back at the base at the end. They hadn't let at that point, but they clearly acted like they knew each other.

If I were to guess, I would say Rey is Ben's sister.


If you look at her dream sequence we saw:




Then the Knights of Ren looking like they had finished a job (wiping out Lukes Jedi Academy?)

Her being abandoned on Jakku.

Luke, possibly feeding him location co-ordinates into R2.


All of it is historic. Is it as simple as the lightsaber showed her that Kylo turned bad, she was then abandoned/hidden (by Leia) but Luke has left a trail for her to follow when The Force awakens in her?

Yup. My thoughts exactly. She's a Skywalker niece/daughter, the dream sequence totally points to that.

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I think the sequence is an ode to Lord of the Rings, where Frodo and Aragorn can see into the future when they either put on the Ring, or look into the Eye of Sauron. I think the scene with the Knights of Ren is part of a future confrontation in Episode VIII or IX.

ufoclub said:

SuperFurryAnimal said:

I know i can understand R2. I also met Chewy a few weeks back and though the language barrier we were cordial.

Seriously, in all the original Star Wars movies no one but c3po could understand R2D2, and even in Empire, Luke is reading a translation on his screen when he is with R2 in the xwing on the way to Degobah. I don't remember humans understanding droids in the prequel trilogy either. But in this new movie you have Rey understanding digital noises coming from BB8. It seems like a big breaking of Star Wars rules. Something like Chewbacca is different, under the rules established by the original Star Wars, he is a live being that is speaking a language. Believe me, I read that novelization many many times back in 1977-1978.

Hey, it's been nearly 30 years since the Empire fell. Maybe the universe is more Droid-fluent now.

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And actually, this was the funniest of the SW films. Even Ren and the Stormtroopers had some funny moments. I can't help but think all of the parodies over the years -- Family Guy, Robot Chicken, etc. -- had some influence on the lighter moments of the movie.

Hudson said:

best scenes:

1. Rey igniting the lightsaber and the duel
2. Escape from Jakku in the Falcon
3. Chewie going postal on the stormtroopers by himself
4. Chewie's mourning
5. Poe and Finn in the tie fighter
6. Rey using the Jedi mind trick to escape
7. The Resistance briefing
8. Last two minutes
9. Kylo's tantrums
10. Finn's personality
11. The X-wing attack on Starkiller Base

BB-8's thumbs up was hysterical.

lrn36 said:

TonyVanDam said:

ANSWER: Shades of Episode 5: TESB! Remember when Luke (with only R2-D2) had to find Yoda?

All this talk of diversity casting and all the racism John Boyega had to endure from fans and his role ends up being the most racist, ass backward role I've seen in major motion picture in a long time. The guy was a runaway slave janitor who instantly falls in love with the first white girl he sees and follows her around like a lost puppy. He then holds the lightsaber for Rey until she rightfully claims it. The way he's all up on Poe like he found his new best friend is beyond irritating. Why is all the comic relief laid on this character. "Droid, please." Seriously? "Who da boss now Phasma? Who da boss, now?" What is this crap? This character is Ruby Rhod, Jar Jar Binks, and Stepin Fetchin all rolled in one.

Seriously, the only black guy in the movie and he's a janitor. He has a change of conscious and doesn't want to kill on his first assignment, but he has no problem killing his fellow stormtroopers whom he was raised with. How did we go from Lando Calrissian the businessman to Mace Windu the Jedi Master to Fn-2187(because he can't have a real name) janitor?

This is just one of the problems I had with this cynical movie.

Well, that's certainly one way to look at it.

Maybe Boyega's performace in Attack The Block would be more your speed.

EmmaMcG said:

lrn36 said:

All this talk of diversity casting and all the racism John Boyega had to endure from fans and his role ends up being the most racist, ass backward role I've seen in major motion picture in a long time. The guy was a runaway slave janitor who instantly falls in love with the first white girl he sees and follows her around like a lost puppy. He then holds the lightsaber for Rey until she rightfully claims it. The way he's all up on Poe like he found his new best friend is beyond irritating. Why is all the comic relief laid on this character. "Droid, please." Seriously? "Who da boss now Phasma? Who da boss, now?" What is this crap? This character is Ruby Rhod, Jar Jar Binks, and Stepin Fetchin all rolled in one.

Seriously, the only black guy in the movie and he's a janitor. He has a change of conscious and doesn't want to kill on his first assignment, but he has no problem killing his fellow stormtroopers whom he was raised with. How did we go from Lando Calrissian the businessman to Mace Windu the Jedi Master to Fn-2187(because he can't have a real name) janitor?

This is just one of the problems I had with this cynical movie.

There's nothing racist in this movie at all. There's far too much false accusations of racism these days. Fair enough, racism still exists and in this day and age it's ridiculous that there are people who still judge others based on skin colour but accusing Star Wars of racism is beyond ridiculous. He's a stormtrooper who decides that he doesn't want to kill innocent, defenceless people and so he turns on the people asking him to do these things. He falls for the "white girl" and she falls for the "black man". Interracial couples can hardly be seen as racism. The Finn character is a strong character. He has the guts to stand up for what he believes is right, he risks his life by taking on Kylo Ren, knowing how dangerous Ren is, having seen him stop a blaster gun bullet thing in mid air. His friendship with Poe isn't a one way thing. They both seem to like each other. Again, I don't see this as racism... People should stop looking for racist intent where there is none.

Well, explain the line "Droid, Please." line which is an obvious play on the phrase, "Ni--a, Please." Do you think that was written for a white character? And I have no problem with an interracial relationship, but this was clear obsession the moment he meets her. Its not recipricated. The marketing sets him up to be a potential Jedi, then he only ends up being Rey's lacky. He'll just holds her lightsaber until she's ready to use it. Rey only comes to realize she loves Finn after he's knocked unconscious by Kylo. Then she kisses him on the forehead. A clever way to avoid an actual interracial kiss on the lips when they're both conscious.

If this guy was raised since childhood to be a stormtrooper, why does so quickly gets along with everyone? Shouldn't he be more like the character Nux in Mad Max Fury Road? Shouldn't he be conflicted? He has zero problems fighting and killing strormtroopers even though he was raised with them.

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lrn36 said:

EmmaMcG said:

lrn36 said:

Well, explain the line "Droid, Please." line which is an obvious play on the phrase, "Ni--a, Please." Do you think that was written for a white character? And I have no problem with an interracial relationship, but this was clear obsession the moment he meets her. Its not recipricated. The marketing sets him up to be a potential Jedi, then he only ends up being Rey's lacky. He'll just holds her lightsaber until she's ready to use it. Rey only comes to realize she loves Finn after he's knocked unconscious by Kylo. Then she kisses him on the forehead. A clever way to avoid an actual interracial kiss on the lips when they're both conscious.

If this guy was raised since childhood to be a stormtrooper, why does so quickly gets along with everyone? Shouldn't he be more like the character Nux in Mad Max Fury Road? Shouldn't he be conflicted? He has zero problems fighting and killing strormtroopers even though he was raised with them.

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The Droid Please line COULD be a play on N**** please but it could also be Bitch Please or it could be just that we are focusing too much on a throwaway line. But even if it is meant that way, it's not racist. He's a black character. Its not as though a white character said it to a black Droid. As for him being obsessed with her, I think it could be that she's the first female that he's met that hasn't been afraid of him or that has shown him any kindness. He's probably been around other stormtroopers all his life so was infatuated with someone different to himself. Which brings us to the point you made of him killing his former stormtrooper brethren without remorse. That seemed a bit weird to me too but thinking about it a bit more, just because he spent a lot of time with these people doesn't mean he likes them. If you were forced to spend all your time with people you didn't like, you would eventually grow to hate them. And if it came down to you killing them or them killing you, I think you'd have no trouble killing them. I know I wouldn't. If you didn't like the movie, then that’s fine. I thought it was very good but could have been a lot better.

Actually, he doesn't hate his fellow stormtroopers becuase they are in the same situation as him. Remember how distraught he was when one of his friends was killed and he got his blood on his uniform? If anything, Finn would be a pacifist. If a director is going to add this kind of complexity to character, then follow it up or at least be consistent.

Where do you think the phrase B--tch, Please came from? The only black character and he has to talk stereotypical black lingo. "Hell,no" "Who's in charge now, Phasma?" "Droid, Please." Will Smith stopped that nonsense years ago. Lando and Mace didn't talk in stereotypical lingo.

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TonyVanDam said:

UncleJam said:

I'm still thinking that Rey is a Solo...but it doesnt make sense that Han and Leia didnt tell her.

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Why would Leia and the rest of the Resistance send Rey, a girl none of them know...just a scavenger from Jakku...to find Luke Skywalker, the most important mofo in the galaxy, by herself? Did Luke tell Han and Leia not to tell Rey who she is, no matter what? I dunno...makes more sense that she's Luke's daughter...but that doesnt make sense either. If Luke had a daughter, why would he let her be abandoned...alone, living in squalor...simply because he failed training Ben Solo? Wouldnt he take her with him into exile, to protect and possibly train her himself? Doesnt he have a history and understanding of how hard it is to train a Jedi who is already grown and set in their ways (like he was when Yoda struggled to train him)? Again...WHO THE HELL IS REY?!?!

ANSWER: Shades of Episode 5: TESB! Remember when Luke (with only R2-D2) had to find Yoda?

Luke going off on his own to find Yoda made sense, seeing as no one else in the galaxy knew that Yoda was still alive. It was Luke's personal journey...as for Rey, it tells you in the opening crawl of TFA that everyone (First Order and Resistance) is on a mission to find Luke...so again, why would they send this scavenger girl who they just met to find the most important mofo in the galaxy?

lrn36 said:

TonyVanDam said:

ANSWER: Shades of Episode 5: TESB! Remember when Luke (with only R2-D2) had to find Yoda?

All this talk of diversity casting and all the racism John Boyega had to endure from fans and his role ends up being the most racist, ass backward role I've seen in major motion picture in a long time. The guy was a runaway slave janitor who instantly falls in love with the first white girl he sees and follows her around like a lost puppy. He then holds the lightsaber for Rey until she rightfully claims it. The way he's all up on Poe like he found his new best friend is beyond irritating. Why is all the comic relief laid on this character. "Droid, please." Seriously? "Who da boss now Phasma? Who da boss, now?" What is this crap? This character is Ruby Rhod, Jar Jar Binks, and Stepin Fetchin all rolled in one.

Seriously, the only black guy in the movie and he's a janitor. He has a change of conscious and doesn't want to kill on his first assignment, but he has no problem killing his fellow stormtroopers whom he was raised with. How did we go from Lando Calrissian the businessman to Mace Windu the Jedi Master to Fn-2187(because he can't have a real name) janitor?

This is just one of the problems I had with this cynical movie.

Interesting view...but that's not the way I saw it. Not even going to get into it, but racial? No...

UncleJam said:

TonyVanDam said:

ANSWER: Shades of Episode 5: TESB! Remember when Luke (with only R2-D2) had to find Yoda?

Luke going off on his own to find Yoda made sense, seeing as no one else in the galaxy knew that Yoda was still alive. It was Luke's personal journey...as for Rey, it tells you in the opening crawl of TFA that everyone (First Order and Resistance) is on a mission to find Luke...so again, why would they send this scavenger girl who they just met to find the most important mofo in the galaxy?

Leia knows something we don't Han trusted her? Same reason they let Luke fight in the battle of Yavin?

namepeace said:

Hudson said:

best scenes:

1. Rey igniting the lightsaber and the duel
2. Escape from Jakku in the Falcon
3. Chewie going postal on the stormtroopers by himself
4. Chewie's mourning
5. Poe and Finn in the tie fighter
6. Rey using the Jedi mind trick to escape
7. The Resistance briefing
8. Last two minutes
9. Kylo's tantrums
10. Finn's personality
11. The X-wing attack on Starkiller Base

BB-8's thumbs up was hysterical.

BB-8's thumbs up sealed it for me...I love that little guy more than I ever loved 3PO or R2. That little fucker can haul ass too!!!

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My top 10 scenes:

1. Rey/Kylo Ren Mind Battle (Get out of my head! I'm not giving you anything! Youre afraid you'll never be as strong as Darth Vader!)

2. Father and Son (I still cant believe that my childhood idol is gone...knew it was coming, still cant believe it)

3. Solo and Chewie meet Finn and Rey (Han Solo the Rebellion General? No...he was a smuggler!)

4. Kylo Ren's tantrums (Anything else? Uh...no, sir; and the two stormtroopers who said "Uh-uh" and turned with the quickness)

5. Rey Calls Luke's Saber (It looked awkward when she caught the saber...and maybe that was intended...but John Williams' 'Force Theme' hitting at just that moment gave me chills)

6. Everything between Han and Finn (You all right, Big Deal? Women always learn the truth...always! That's not how the Force works!)

7. General Hux's "Hitler Speech" (His eyes=EVIL)

8. Kylo Ren and Max von Sydow (I cant remember Van Sydow's name, but that little exchange let us know from the beginning that Kylo Ren is a tortured soul)

9. The reveal of the Falcon (That's garbage!)

10. Rey and Luke (I loved the "silent" ending...a lot was said!)

CarrieMpls said: