Neversin said:

Neversin said:
Not really, his mantra of not killing anyone is too strong, but the guy is as damaged as they come and it shows in his trust in, and methods of handling, friend and foe...

You could say that Bruce Wayne died the night his parents were gunned down, and The Batman is the dominant personality(with Wayne being the mask). Rachel pretty much said that near the end of 'Batman Begins'.

EmmaMcG said:

Neversin said:

Not really, his mantra of not killing anyone is too strong, but the guy is as damaged as they come and it shows in his trust in, and methods of handling, friend and foe...

And here's a (rather cliche) list of awesome Batman novels:

Batman: Year One
The Dark Knight Returns
Batman: Hush
The Long Halloween
Arkham Asylum
The Man who Laughs
The Killing Joke
Dark Victory
A Death In The Family
Knightfall series
Gotham By Gaslight
Thrillkiller
Son Of The Demon

There are so many more (hidden) gems, but these are the easiest to get into...


Neversin.

That's great. Thanks.

Forgot the reason for the post: Tower of Babel... Here's where you get a brief glimpse in his mind...

Neversin.

Great list, Neversin! Glad to see you included JLA: Tower of Babel. One of my favorites, and it REALLY shows the obsessive planning that Batman will go to.

JediMaster said:

Nicholson is very entertaining, but he isn't the Joker. He plays the part like his character from "The Shining" in clown makeup. He isn't bad, and I quite enjoy his performance, but he isn't the defining interpretation of the character.

EmmaMcG said:

I know this thread is supposed to be about the new Batman/Superman movie and I don't mean to further derail it but can anybody suggest any good Batman comic books or better yet novels. Thanks x

Thanks for the great list, Neversin. There are a couple of titles on that list that I wasn´t familiar with.

Good to see you more often on the org again.

TheBatman said:

EmmaMcG said:

I know this thread is supposed to be about the new Batman/Superman movie and I don't mean to further derail it but can anybody suggest any good Batman comic books or better yet novels. Thanks x

That cover looks great.

i was gonna stay out of the aguments about who directed what and all that shit BUT

then folks talkin bout keaton and nicholson and it got me to thinkin...

those movies were the ones that i thought were most like the tv version of bats and the joker.

the darker version of bats was more in line with the cartoon that came out in the nineties

and had a better storyline than the comical batman series...

the dc franchise on the whole is nothin like the marvel joints that come out. but at least

the last three bats were up to snuff. and actually, i don't this movie will be that bad either.

the superman was acceptable...

What makes this film part of the DC canon and the Nolan films aren´t ? Is it because this one is a continuation of The Man of Steel? And why aren´t the previous Superman movies part of the DC canon? Or is it because this latest one sticks closer to the DC storylines and continuity? I mean, in the end, the Nolan movies were also licensed by DC, right? So why aren´t they part of the canon? They are more or less a hodgepodge of already released graphic novels.

The bottom line is that unless Batman has some Kryptonite, he can't defeat Superman. Superman could kill him 9 different ways without even touching him.

When does this movie come out?

RodeoSchro said:

The bottom line is that unless Batman has some Kryptonite, he can't defeat Superman. Superman could kill him 9 different ways without even touching him.

When does this movie come out?

feb/mar 16

KoolEaze said:

What makes this film part of the DC canon and the Nolan films aren´t ? Is it because this one is a continuation of The Man of Steel? And why aren´t the previous Superman movies part of the DC canon? Or is it because this latest one sticks closer to the DC storylines and continuity? I mean, in the end, the Nolan movies were also licensed by DC, right? So why aren´t they part of the canon? They are more or less a hodgepodge of already released graphic novels.

The suits at Warners decided that they wanted to build a DC Cinematic Universe, since Marvel/Disney were raking in the cash with the MCU films. Nolan wasn't interested in his Batman films being part of that, so they decided to wait until Man of Steel was released to make that the first film in the new universe. Nolan's films are now set in their own continuity, completely apart from any other TV or movie universes. It's a shame, since I quite liked the first two films in Nolan's trilogy.

I saw the trailer in 3-D when I checked out Episode VII -- The Force Awakens. It looks highly entertaining.

The Batman suit looks great, very much like in the Frank Miller graphic novels. It´s a nice change compared to what we saw in the Nolan films. I love the Nolan films and the Batsuit in them but this one is really good, too. A different approach, more simple, but it works for me.

And so far I really like Ben Affleck as Bruce Wayne.

Let´s hope that Zack Snyder won´t mess this one up with over the top explosions and slow motion overkill and CGI.

namepeace said:

I saw the trailer in 3-D when I checked out Episode VII -- The Force Awakens. It looks highly entertaining.

The 3-D was a little iffy though... The beginning of the trailer when Bruce arrives is weird with the 3-D shaky cam feel...

Neversin.

Neversin said:

namepeace said:

I saw the trailer in 3-D when I checked out Episode VII -- The Force Awakens. It looks highly entertaining.

The 3-D was a little iffy though... The beginning of the trailer when Bruce arrives is weird with the 3-D shaky cam feel...

Neversin.

Yeah, I'll check it out in normal format, but I enjoyed seeing the footage on the big screen.

God knows I wanted to like Man Of Steel: I'm a DC fan and a Snyder fan, and I ended-up hating it. To me they got it all wrong. I actually thought of the film it could and should have been, it wasn't so hard to come-up with a decent script!

I love everything MCU and I really, really hope the DCCU will be just as great and that Bat vs. Supes and Suicide Squad will make things right. Let's see...

The problem is Marvel Studio is ran by people who actually know and love the comics, and whose sole business is making Marvel adaptations.

On the other hand the suits at WB never cared for their DC properties and never saw any potential in them except Bats and vaguely Supes, until Avengers was a hit. To them so far it was just stupid entertainment and now it's just a cash cow. There's no love for the properties. See how they sacrificed properties like Catwoman, Hex or The Losers on the hostel of b-movies, and just for a quick cash. By some miracle Nolan saved Batman and Snyder saved Watchmen, because they actually cared for the characters. Singer and Campbell tried with Supes and GL but weren't so lucky.

Without knowing the details, the movie plan WB came-up with until 2020 seems chaotic, silly and totally arbitrary, unlike Marvel's well planned global project. In the end it'll be up to the directors and writers to do it right.

I thought Man of Steel was the best of all the Superman movies.

uPtoWnNY said:

I thought Man of Steel was the best of all the Superman movies.

Given how bad all the others were (save maybe Superman III because it takes responsibility for being nothing but a comedy), it may be true.

databank said:

databank said:

uPtoWnNY said:

I thought Man of Steel was the best of all the Superman movies.

Given how bad all the others were (save maybe Superman III because it takes responsibility for being nothing but a comedy), it may be true.

So MOS was the best of a bad lot? I agree the earlier films sucked balls, but in MOS Superman fought someone equal to him, and he was actually overmatched. The battle vs Faora & Nam-Ek was even better than Zod's.

One can we can all agree on - being thankful Tim Burton's "Superman Lives" never got made. Nicholas Cage as Superman????That had disaster written all over it.

EmmaMcG said:

databank said:

Given how bad all the others were (save maybe Superman III because it takes responsibility for being nothing but a comedy), it may be true.

You're both crazy. LOL. The first Superman with Christopher Reeve is a classic. I don't think anyone has played the character as well as Reeve. And Gene Hackman is the definitive Lex Luthor. Superman 2 is a great example of how to do a sequel. Terrence Stamp as Zod is brilliant. I thought they went downhill after that. Superman 3 was not Richard Prior's finest moment. And the less said about Superman 4, the better. But the first two films were so good that it doesn't even matter that they made up new powers for Superman and the other Kryptonians. I liked Man of Steel but it took itself far too seriously. Everything was just so...meh. It was good, but nothing special.

I actually saw them all again (including Supergirl) about a year ago. I went as far as to watch both versions of Superman II (Donner and Lester cuts)! Honestly I and II, I can understand that people dig them because they have some sort of a charm. But let's be honest they don't make fucking sense at all: they never manage to find the right balance between comedy and drama, the whole story is just totally absurd and unbelievable. Maybe they did make sense at the time, for a more naive audience IDK, but by 2015's standards, definitely not! They're like the pre-1986 Superman comics: imaginative, a little crazy, but hardly less for children than Mickey Mouse comics. That's not what i'm looking for with super-hero comics and movies: I want it to be adult literature, real drama, believable sci-fi and if there's gonna be humor it should be subtle and through the dialogues.

But I know Supes I & II have been and still are critically acclaimed. Beats me to be honest, but yes, as with Supergirl, there's something deliciously naive and lovely to those old Superman films. But are they good fiction? I don't think so.

uPtoWnNY said:

databank said:

Christopher Reeve was born to play Supes - he just needed a better script. A young Reeve in Man of Steel would have been awesome.

Superman 2 made NO sense. If Ihad godlike powers, I'm giving them up for ugly-ass, chain-smoking Margot Kidder??? Ok, yeah right.

uPtoWnNY said:

uPtoWnNY said:

One can we can all agree on - being thankful Tim Burton's "Superman Lives" never got made. Nicholas Cage as Superman????That had disaster written all over it.

The old Superman movies were shit and "Man of Steel" is the first time I actually saw "Superman" in a movie... This movie has grown on me after initially hating it as much as the old ones...
The documentary that came out last year of "Superman Lives" is cool and it's funny to finally see everything Kevin Smith was talking about all those years ago...

Neversin.

EmmaMcG said:

databank said:

I actually saw them all again (including Supergirl) about a year ago. I went as far as to watch both versions of Superman II (Donner and Lester cuts)! Honestly I and II, I can understand that people dig them because they have some sort of a charm. But let's be honest they don't make fucking sense at all: they never manage to find the right balance between comedy and drama, the whole story is just totally absurd and unbelievable. Maybe they did make sense at the time, for a more naive audience IDK, but by 2015's standards, definitely not! They're like the pre-1986 Superman comics: imaginative, a little crazy, but hardly less for children than Mickey Mouse comics. That's not what i'm looking for with super-hero comics and movies: I want it to be adult literature, real drama, believable sci-fi and if there's gonna be humor it should be subtle and through the dialogues.

But I know Supes I & II have been and still are critically acclaimed. Beats me to be honest, but yes, as with Supergirl, there's something deliciously naive and lovely to those old Superman films. But are they good fiction? I don't think so.

Supergirl was pretty terrible. The only thing I got out of that was a Halloween costume. If I can find a picture of me wearing it, I'll post it up here. It was an exact replica of the one from the movie. Yeah, they are very kid friendly when compared to modern superhero movies but that's what I liked about the first two Superman films. And Christopher Reeve... *drool* LOL. Esepcially in that costume

Look forward to seeing u in ur costume

If u have the hots for Chris Reeve u should see him in his gorgeous white jumper in Sidney Lumet's Deathtrap. Hot like a sauna

ben affleck is unwatchable to me... he makes my skin crawl