Yes, I stole this.



1. The birthplace of James T. Kirk:

In the prime universe, James Tiberius Kirk is born on Earth in Riverside Iowa, in the year 2233. In the alternate reality, Kirk is born in space on a medical shuttle of USS Kelvin, in the same year. While it is possible the attack on the Kelvin may have accelerated Winona Kirk's labor (due to unanticipated stress), it seems unlikely that Kirk of the alternate timeline had any possibility of being born on planet Earth.

2. What happened to George Kirk?

No, not the father... the son. In the original timeline, James Kirk had a sibling (most likely older) named George Samuel Kirk. In the Reboots... no Samuel! True, the first draft of STAR TREK 2009 had James' older brother George, but he was ultimately written out. That means, in the alternate reality, James T. was the only child of George and Winona Kirk...

Could we attribute this to father George's untimely death? Unlikely... again, all practical speculation says George Samuel was the OLDER brother. So, by the time the Narada attack killed Dad, (if this was a progression from the original timeline), brother George should have already been born.

3. Wait... Where Was The Ship Built Again?

The JJ Verse has NCC 1701 being constructed on Earth, at the Riverside Shipyard in Iowa. The original timeline has the Enterprise being built at the San Francisco (Fleet) Yards, orbiting Earth in space...

Backstory canon suggests that, in the original timeline, the ship components were constructed on Earth, and then assembled in space... fine.

However, the Reboot clearly shows the Enterprise being almost completely built (and assembled) on Earth...

This seems to indicate a significant departure from the original, on matters of starship construction and shipyard operations. Why the difference? Could it be, perhaps, another evidence of the complete separation of the two realities?

We'll come back to the Enterprise shortly. For now...

4. "Nyota & Spock, sittin' in a tree... K-I-S-S-I-N-G!"

For anyone who doesn't get that... it means that, in the alternate timeline... Spock and Uhura are dating! While I think that's awesome... it is a relationship which seemed to have zero potential in the original timeline. How did this relationship come to develop?

Nothing impacted by the appearance of the Narada in the past would seem to have effected this outcome. It seems more likely that the lives of both Spock and Uhura in the alternate reality simply developed far differently from their counterparts in our prime universe reality. And finally...

5. Look at the design of that Enterprise!

The Enterprise of the JJ Universe appears to be light years ahead of the original in terms of technology! I mean, just check out that bridge! And what about the engine room on that thing?!

These changes, in the development of Starfleet ship design, could not have come about by the time travel events depicted in the Reboot...

They would rather indicate a significantly greater level of advancement within the Starfleet of the alternate timeline.

So, what do we have here? Well, we have always assumed that the Narada (& Spock Prime) simply travelled back into the past of the same reality, thus erasing the TNG, DS9, &VOY timeline (and resetting the future to zero)...

However, what if the Narada travelled back to the past... but emerged into a completely different reality, a reality with a completely different quantum signature? The points shared above would seem to indicate exactly that. And that would mean... that both realities continue to run concurrently (though parallel), with no disruption to the original!

I don't know about you, but I'd be good with that.

(Any thoughts?)

I forgot something.

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Sorry JJ abrams fucked up Star Trek. Hope de doesn't screw up Star Wars!!!!!!

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Nuh uh. No he didn't.

morningsong said:

Nuh uh. No he didn't.

Destroying Vulcan inexcusable . Should have focused on the earlier missions of James T. Kirk and the Enterprise. First movie should have only Kirk, Spock and Scotty in it. Maybe 2nd movie have McCoy in it. Then through out the movies introduce all the other cast members. The last movie should introduce Chekov, but not on the bridge yet because he was not apart of the bridge crew until season 2 of the original series. Good casting with Kirk/Spock and McCoy. Would recast everybody else in it. They should have cast Paul McGillion from Stargate Atlantis to play Scotty

though Paul Mcgillion had a small part in the new Star Trek movie

Okay, I agree with you on blowing up Vulcan, completely unnecessary.

I get your point about Paul. I've always liked him.

On a serious note, I always understood it to be the "trinity" Kirk, Spock, McCoy, so the 1st movie should always include those 3.

On a unserious note:

The movies should have been McCoy centric, the new McCoy all in honor of the old McCoy, all of 'em centered around McCoy. That is all.

I thoroughly enjoyed the first Star Trek reboot even though I thought I wouldn't. I also loved the fact that Leonard Nimoy had a prominent role in it. The second movie wasn't as good. Speaking of the original cast in movies, I didn't like Star Trek: The Final Frontier at all.

morningsong said:

Okay, I agree with you on blowing up Vulcan, completely unnecessary.

I get your point about Paul. I've always liked him.

On a serious note, I always understood it to be the "trinity" Kirk, Spock, McCoy, so the 1st movie should always include those 3.

On a unserious note:

The movies should have been McCoy centric, the new McCoy all in honor of the old McCoy, all of 'em centered around McCoy. That is all.

I understand what you are saying but I would like them to follow the original series. After the original series Star trek ended up doing another pilot with William Shatner as Capt. Kirk (the original pilot"The Cage" with Jeffrey Hunter as Capt. Pike) they shot another episode called "Where no man has gone before" (the network ended up playing this episode as the 3rd episode of season 1. They ended up playing the "Man trap" as the first episode because it was more action packed."Where no man has gone before" the uniforms and bridge looks more like that from "The cage episode"). Now in "Where no man has gone before" there is no Dr. McCoy but an older Doctor named Dr. Mark Piper played by Paul Fix. In the new movie I would have Dr. Piper killed off so that is why Kirk ends up choosing his old friend Dr. McCoy. I think it's important to introduce McCoy that way and not just assume he was there the whole time. They could even introduce McCoy at the end of the first movie

Dr. Mark Piper

purplethunder3121 said:

I thoroughly enjoyed the first Star Trek reboot even though I thought I wouldn't. I also loved the fact that Leonard Nimoy had a prominent role in it. The second movie wasn't as good. Speaking of the original cast in movies, I didn't like Star Trek: The Final Frontier at all.

Exactly. The best part of the movie was the opening sequence where Kirk and Bones are being chased by those Aliens after being discovered. That was interesting seeing their early missions.

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kpowers said:

morningsong said:

Okay, I agree with you on blowing up Vulcan, completely unnecessary.

I get your point about Paul. I've always liked him.

On a serious note, I always understood it to be the "trinity" Kirk, Spock, McCoy, so the 1st movie should always include those 3.

On a unserious note:

The movies should have been McCoy centric, the new McCoy all in honor of the old McCoy, all of 'em centered around McCoy. That is all.

I understand what you are saying but I would like them to follow the original series. After the original series Star trek ended up doing another pilot with William Shatner as Capt. Kirk (the original pilot"The Cage" with Jeffrey Hunter as Capt. Pike) they shot another episode called "Where no man has gone before" (the network ended up playing this episode as the 3rd episode of season 1. They ended up playing the "Man trap" as the first episode because it was more action packed."Where no man has gone before" the uniforms and bridge looks more like that from "The cage episode"). Now in "Where no man has gone before" there is no Dr. McCoy but an older Doctor named Dr. Mark Piper played by Paul Fix. In the new movie I would have Dr. Piper killed off so that is why Kirk ends up choosing his old friend Dr. McCoy. I think it's important to introduce McCoy that way and not just assume he was there the whole time. They could even introduce McCoy at the end of the first movie

Dr. Mark Piper

That would confuse people. But I remember, okay, barely, but I know that when they were getting their footing there were a few different people, the set was awful, too.

I still ain't mad at JJ, though.



I'll admit the whole Khan thing had me scratching my head. But if it means more, I'll sacrafice.

morningsong said:

kpowers said:

I understand what you are saying but I would like them to follow the original series. After the original series Star trek ended up doing another pilot with William Shatner as Capt. Kirk (the original pilot"The Cage" with Jeffrey Hunter as Capt. Pike) they shot another episode called "Where no man has gone before" (the network ended up playing this episode as the 3rd episode of season 1. They ended up playing the "Man trap" as the first episode because it was more action packed."Where no man has gone before" the uniforms and bridge looks more like that from "The cage episode"). Now in "Where no man has gone before" there is no Dr. McCoy but an older Doctor named Dr. Mark Piper played by Paul Fix. In the new movie I would have Dr. Piper killed off so that is why Kirk ends up choosing his old friend Dr. McCoy. I think it's important to introduce McCoy that way and not just assume he was there the whole time. They could even introduce McCoy at the end of the first movie

Dr. Mark Piper

That would confuse people. But I remember, okay, barely, but I know that when they were getting their footing there were a few different people, the set was awful, too.

I still ain't mad at JJ, though.



I'll admit the whole Khan thing had me scratching my head. But if it means more, I'll sacrafice.

I don't think that would confuse people. If they see another doctor they know that doctor will be replaced by McCoy

morningsong said:

kpowers said:

I understand what you are saying but I would like them to follow the original series. After the original series Star trek ended up doing another pilot with William Shatner as Capt. Kirk (the original pilot"The Cage" with Jeffrey Hunter as Capt. Pike) they shot another episode called "Where no man has gone before" (the network ended up playing this episode as the 3rd episode of season 1. They ended up playing the "Man trap" as the first episode because it was more action packed."Where no man has gone before" the uniforms and bridge looks more like that from "The cage episode"). Now in "Where no man has gone before" there is no Dr. McCoy but an older Doctor named Dr. Mark Piper played by Paul Fix. In the new movie I would have Dr. Piper killed off so that is why Kirk ends up choosing his old friend Dr. McCoy. I think it's important to introduce McCoy that way and not just assume he was there the whole time. They could even introduce McCoy at the end of the first movie

Dr. Mark Piper

That would confuse people. But I remember, okay, barely, but I know that when they were getting their footing there were a few different people, the set was awful, too.

I still ain't mad at JJ, though.



I'll admit the whole Khan thing had me scratching my head. But if it means more, I'll sacrafice.

JJ Abrams destroyed Vulcan

kpowers said:

kpowers said:

morningsong said:

kpowers said:

I don't think that would confuse people. If they see another doctor they know that doctor will be replaced by McCoy

I don't have that much faith in the general audience on those kinds of things. It would have taken too long and people would be bored to just have a character presented and then just replaced. I give it to JJ for at least giving it a push in its foundation.

If the movie is about Kirk first time as Captain taking over the enterprise (not JJ Abrams crappy star trek universe ) where is the confusion???? That's like saying where is Han Solo in The Phantom Meanace. If people are to stupid to figure it out who cares. Yes granted they might not make the connection of Dr. Piper who was the doctor before McCoy (though die hard trekkies would).

morningsong said:

kpowers said:

I understand what you are saying but I would like them to follow the original series. After the original series Star trek ended up doing another pilot with William Shatner as Capt. Kirk (the original pilot"The Cage" with Jeffrey Hunter as Capt. Pike) they shot another episode called "Where no man has gone before" (the network ended up playing this episode as the 3rd episode of season 1. They ended up playing the "Man trap" as the first episode because it was more action packed."Where no man has gone before" the uniforms and bridge looks more like that from "The cage episode"). Now in "Where no man has gone before" there is no Dr. McCoy but an older Doctor named Dr. Mark Piper played by Paul Fix. In the new movie I would have Dr. Piper killed off so that is why Kirk ends up choosing his old friend Dr. McCoy. I think it's important to introduce McCoy that way and not just assume he was there the whole time. They could even introduce McCoy at the end of the first movie

Dr. Mark Piper

That would confuse people. But I remember, okay, barely, but I know that when they were getting their footing there were a few different people, the set was awful, too.

I still ain't mad at JJ, though.



I'll admit the whole Khan thing had me scratching my head. But if it means more, I'll sacrafice.

The set of the new Entrprise is horrible!!!!! The bridge looks like they are in a department store

You're making me and snicker at my desk. People around me gonna think I'm nuttier than they already think.

Inside JJ Abrams Enterprise

Engineering

Kitchen

corridors

sick bay

Shuttle Bay

Starfleet Head Quarters

^ Oh, stop it. It's still fun though.







In other ST news: Press Release Oct 20, 2015: "Cirroc Lofton is coming to Star Trek: Renegades!" Cirroc Lofton was just 14 years old when he began the role of Jake Sisko on Star Trek: Deep Space Nine in 1993 and he was a regular throughout the entire run of the show.

That might be interesting.

morningsong said:

^ Oh, stop it. It's still fun though.







In other ST news: Press Release Oct 20, 2015: "Cirroc Lofton is coming to Star Trek: Renegades!" Cirroc Lofton was just 14 years old when he began the role of Jake Sisko on Star Trek: Deep Space Nine in 1993 and he was a regular throughout the entire run of the show.

That might be interesting.

I'll watch that but I have to say I didn't really care for Renegades the first movie. You need to see all 5 episodes of Star Trek continues.

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It is amazing that the time line changed but yet everyone still has their same job. I mean things should change, like some people might not even being born. Maybe Sulu becomes a doctor. Spock never joins Star Fleet, stuff like that. But they did it that way so the whole cast could all be together for Kirk taking over as Captain.

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kpowers said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

morningsong said:

kpowers said:

It is amazing that the time line changed but yet everyone still has their same job. I mean things should change, like some people might not even being born. Maybe Sulu becomes a doctor. Spock never joins Star Fleet, stuff like that. But they did it that way so the whole cast could all be together for Kirk taking over as Captain.

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It's a destiny thing. Spock 1st officer to a different captain, Sulu taking the place of someone who was sick I believe. Kirk and Uhuru getting on a ship neither was assigned to, without either of them everybody would be dead. See fate is fate is fate. And a star capable of blowing up an entire galaxy perfectly plausible

Nope, just an excuse fof JJ Abrams to have the whole cast together. Destiny is thrown out the window when the time line is changed.

The engine room was literally filmed in a beer factory and looked like it. How does that match up in any way with the Apple Store bridge?

lrn36 said:

The engine room was literally filmed in a beer factory and looked like it. How does that match up in any way with the Apple Store bridge?

Very horrible looking, yes it looks like they make beer there

lrn36 said:

The engine room was literally filmed in a beer factory and looked like it. How does that match up in any way with the Apple Store bridge?

Looks kinda like the Willy Wonka set

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I am a huge fan of TOS. While I hate the idea of a reboot, which is always a failure of the imagination, I thought ST 09 could be at least enjoyable. I was wrong.

I saw the movie lately, and I hated everything about it. It was a complete raping of TOS. The new actors are ridiculous, the story is basically the same as GENERATIONS, and Spock and Kirk are nothing but douchebags. Their friendship is unbelievable. Every scene ends with a joke. No critic of the society, not real science fiction.

I loved the idea of Nimoy in the movie (the only reason why I watched this piece of crap) but the whole plot was bad writing in every place. Even Shatner couldn't have saved the movie.

Why is this called STAR TREK ? I watched the bonus and audio track, and JJ Abrams vomited TOS during the whole thing. Why don't take the "story" and its "characters" to make a new franchise ?

I will watch ST ID only because Nimoy makes a cameo. Khan looks like a joke.

I really hope Shatner will be in the next movie, for the 50th anniversary. Without him, we wouldn't be here having this discussion. The way he was prevented from being in this movie is a shame. Shatner is a better actor than anyobody else in the new cast.

Too bad they don't make it like STAR WARS, nobody cares about the new cast but wants to see the old cast return.

The "JJ Verse" is very much suppossed to be an alternate universe. Abrams has always said that these films don't erase the original universe. Spock Prime and the Romulans travelled through the singularity to the past of a parallel reality, not the same one that TOS, TNG, DS9 & Voyager existed in.

At one point, a Captain Worf show was being developed, which would have featured our favorite Klingon commanding a starship that crosses over into the New Trek universe, at a different point in time. Didn't happen, but it just shows that the two universes are distinct, and that all the events in the original timeline still "happened"