RodeoSchro said:

My understanding is that the gun laws in Chicago don't mean diddly-squat when right across the border in Gary, Indiana you will find some of the laxes gun laws in the country.

So to say "Chicago has strict gun laws but lots of gun murders, so gun laws don't work!" is simplistic at best.

http://www.wbez.org/serie...ter-106538

Gary officials had asked for tougher gun restrictions within city limits. But the state of Indiana, which is run by NRA-supported Republican lawmakers had refused to enforce those laws. They even passed a state law overriding any local gun bans.

In Indiana, it’s illegal for anyone under the age of 18 to possess a gun. It’s also against the law to carry one in public without a state license. Still, Indiana has some of the most lax gun laws in the nation.

In 2010, Indiana lawmakers passed a law rendering useless any local government firearms restriction bans, such as Gary’s own ban on semiautomatic weapons.

Dr. Vernon Smith has represented Gary in the Indiana House for the last 23 years.
He has a hypothesis on why Indiana’s gun laws are the way they are.

“If there was ever a state that was owned totally by the NRA, Indiana is one,” Smith said. “Indiana has constantly protected the NRA and carried out the NRA’s agenda.”

In the past, Smith introduced bills requiring background checks at gun shows or training for gun owners, all of which never got a hearing.

And to further educate you:

http://wgntv.com/2014/09/...ngbangers/

In six years, 3,824 guns taken off Chicago gang bangers that were used in crimes came from our next door neighbor: Indiana. It’s why WGN Investigates took undercover cameras over the border to see why.

It’s so easy here, the (gun) dealers joked with our producer and photographer about it. One bragging, “We deal with Illinois residents all the time and we invite them to come to Indiana.”

Another dealer said, “As long as you’re an Indiana resident and you don’t have any trouble, I just write down your name and address so if they come knocking on my door, and say this gun was used in a robbery, well this is who I sold it to and then you got to explain what you did.”

But it’s easy to scam. Like one now infamous guy who simply used a fake Indiana drivers license. David “Big Man” Lewisbey filled a duffle bag with 9 millimeter and 40-caliber handguns. He bought them at various gun shows then sold them to gang bangers in Chicago for big bucks.

Tom Ahern, a special agent with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives says, not only it is easier to buy in Indiana than Illinois, it’s cheaper too. He says the combination has meant a steady flow of guns to Chicago that are involved in crime.

Right, same with other states the push for harsher gun control laws. It's always aimed at people who own them legally.

And in NY state all one has to do is go to Pennsylvania to obtain guns in an easier way.

So what's the solution? We refuse to look at how other countries have dealt with it because we are America and we dont want to be told what to do.

So what is the solution?

angelS said:

So what's the solution? We refuse to look at how other countries have dealt with it because we are America and we dont want to be told what to do.

So what is the solution?

actually, I don't think we have what the problem is. The shootings / killings are an outward problem.
I mean Chicago has it's issues, and usually anyplace that has large numbers of poeple will have more violent crimes as such.

10 dead and 20 injured at community college in Oregon today.

Investigators believe they've identified the suspect in Oregon shooting and are examining social media posts. http://cnn.it/1L7pSm7

Suspect in custody following shooting at Oregon's Umpqua Community College, official says. http://cnn.it/1iORuBk

this is so sad. what is to be done about continuing gun violence and the killing of innocent victims.

free2bfreeda said:

CNN Breaking News ‏@cnnbrk 9m9 minutes ago

Investigators believe they've identified the suspect in Oregon shooting and are examining social media posts. http://cnn.it/1L7pSm7

Suspect in custody following shooting at Oregon's Umpqua Community College, official says. http://cnn.it/1iORuBk

this is so sad. what is to be done about continuing gun violence and the killing of innocent victims.

When are we going to do something about this?

angelS said:

10 dead and 20 injured at community college in Oregon today.

Yeah I following it now

There is a discussion in the P&R section now

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I want to add to my response earlier, that one step to focus on the WHY is that most of the time these random shootings as well as the mass shooting are generally MALE. And that has to be looked at in finding a solution. MALE of any ethnic background and economic standing.

OldFriends4Sale said:

angelS said:

10 dead and 20 injured at community college in Oregon today.

Yeah I following it now

There is a discussion in the P&R section now

.
I want to add to my response earlier, that one step to focus on the WHY is that most of the time these random shootings as well as the mass shooting are generally MALE. And that has to be looked at in finding a solution. MALE of any ethnic background and economic standing.

True.

Here is a breakdown of the 2011 stats for Chicago crime (age, sex, method, etc.) in case anyone is interested.

http://home.chicagopolice...Report.pdf

I am guessing one can assume the stats look just about the same for 2015. I also think one can assume these stats look the same for the cities mentioned in my previous link by the NY Times that was about rising murder rates of various cities.

http://www.nytimes.com/20....html?_r=1

Guess it is a matter of time before people will enter this thread and try to blame police somehow for all this violence. Oh wait, someone already did.

3rdeyedude said:

Here is a breakdown of the 2011 stats for Chicago crime (age, sex, method, etc.) in case anyone is interested.

http://home.chicagopolice...Report.pdf

I am guessing one can assume the stats look just about the same for 2015. I also think one can assume these stats look the same for the cities mentioned in my previous link by the NY Times that was about rising murder rates of various cities.

http://www.nytimes.com/20....html?_r=1

Guess it is a matter of time before people will enter this thread and try to blame police somehow for all this violence. Oh wait, someone already did.

The Most Dangerous Cities in America

September 30, 2015 5:40 pm EDT

excerpt:

The nation’s largest cities each employ thousands of often-well-equipped police officers. Nearly 50,000 police work in New York City. According to John Roman, senior fellow at the Urban Institute, a social policy research think tank, effective policing can help reduce crime, but “it doesn’t move the dial an enormous amount.” For Roman, poor social and economic conditions are the drivers of crime and significant change comes by creating the conditions for economic opportunity.
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unemployment rates exceeded the national average in all 10 of the country’s most dangerous cities. In Stockton, California, the 10th most dangerous city in the U.S., the unemployment rate of 11.5% nearly doubled the national unemployment rate of 6.2%.

“When you have cities where the schools aren’t good [and] the job prospects are bad, you almost always tend to have greater crime,” Roman said.

In addition to low educational attainment and high unemployment, poverty is pervasive in the country’s most dangerous cities. All 10 of the country’s most dangerous cities, the poverty rate exceeded the national rate of 15.5%. In Detroit, the nation’s most dangerous city, 39.3% of residents lived below the poverty line last year.

According to Roman, “It’s a classic tale of disadvantage. When you have people who don’t have a lot of opportunity, they tend to gravitate towards crime in ways that people with more opportunity don’t.”

Read more: The Most Dangerous Cities...7 Wall St. http://247wallst.com/spec...z3nN10f8Xm

makes one think of the following words:

as far as the takedown, kill first, chokeholding to death, (seemingly)brutality inactments and killer cops go>>>>> imo they are nothing more that marionettes at unawares. many know who holds and control the strings.

<<<< oh man, what a legacy they leave upon their family tree. <<<< sad part about it is that they think they are doing the right thing.

3rdeyedude said:

EroticDreamer said:

I disappointed that I haven't seen any protests by the BLM organization.

Oh well, back to eating my nachos!

Check out this other list of disturbing murder rates this year (so far!)

http://www.nytimes.com/20....html?_r=0

Very disturbing but not surprising.

BLM, where are you bitches?

EroticDreamer said:

3rdeyedude said:

Check out this other list of disturbing murder rates this year (so far!)

http://www.nytimes.com/20....html?_r=0

Very disturbing but not surprising.

BLM, where are you bitches?

3rdeyedude said:

Here is a breakdown of the 2011 stats for Chicago crime (age, sex, method, etc.) in case anyone is interested.

http://home.chicagopolice...Report.pdf

I am guessing one can assume the stats look just about the same for 2015. I also think one can assume these stats look the same for the cities mentioned in my previous link by the NY Times that was about rising murder rates of various cities.

http://www.nytimes.com/20....html?_r=1

Guess it is a matter of time before people will enter this thread and try to blame police somehow for all this violence. Oh wait, someone already did.

I'll assume reading and comprehension may be an issue.... So maybe the "movie" would better explained what was written in context of how drugs/murder and the CPD taskforce was corrupt.

60 Minutes on Chicago Police corruption

Right above the video is says, "It's a pretty good overview of the challenges current Superintendent Jody Weis faces in changing the culture of the department."

Jody Weis had been on the job less than a year, when 60 Minutes this report was aired. When Richard M. Daley named Mr. Weis as the new Superintendent of CPD, the rank and file policemen were livid. Why? Mr. Weis had been an FBI agent, the FBI that frequently investigates alleged police misconduct. There are those who think the CPD rank and file, sat on their hands when Weis was the top cop. I don't know if there's any substance to that line of thought, since the level of violence has been so pervasive.

Stats and how Chicago Police Department records crime., CPD / City have been accused of cooking the books.

The Truth About Chicago Crime Rates

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Phishanga said:

Bullshit. Don't resort to conspiracy crap when society is simply fucked up - and non-existing gun laws in the US don't help either.

Agree about the conspiracy crap, however, gun laws will never truly help as long as there is inequality of opportunity - which is one of the major contributors to a fucked up society.

isis?

This stuff will never end.

TD3 said:

Chicago Police department use to have a Gang taskforce. The gang taskforce had to be dissolved because they were also a gang.... they stole , sold drugs, and drug money from gang bangers.

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