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PrintableAzureStar said: Anyway... it may be possible. Who can say? Intervene how?
exactly...who can say the answer to this question of an intervening universe which may itself be god? all i know is that it is a force which impacts on my being and that it is real. it is a SOMETHING rather than a NOTHING. there is not only me. there is this "otherness" to the world and this life which many block out. some take the path of atheism to convince themselves that they have total control...but ultimately this is not the case when you have been to the very cesspit of life. you need the support of others and a sense of unity and indeed love...we all need it as human beings. i think love is a genuine force. a physical example is a scientifice study which showed that two pieces of the same heart, when separated, slowly, in microscopic increments, moved toward each other. could this be scientific proof of a force beyond the physical? AND...a what about the discovery that even at the smallest scale, there is STILL more space between the smallest particles...what is this space which separates us yet binds us? am i completely mad? you decide...but i guess that my post is getting more towards the question...is there SOMETHING or NOTHING...if it were SOMETHING would it not always be SOMETHING by its very nature, hence eternal? shit i'm going off on tagents here i suppose...i'm just get over a virus or something you understand...these thoughts tend to come around when i'm feeling crappy.  _________________________________________________
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Penis said: AzureStar said: Anyway... it may be possible. Who can say? Intervene how?
exactly...who can say the answer to this question of an intervening universe which may itself be god? all i know is that it is a force which impacts on my being and that it is real. it is a SOMETHING rather than a NOTHING. there is not only me. there is this "otherness" to the world and this life which many block out. some take the path of atheism to convince themselves that they have total control...but ultimately this is not the case when you have been to the very cesspit of life. you need the support of others and a sense of unity and indeed love...we all need it as human beings. i think love is a genuine force. a physical example is a scientifice study which showed that two pieces of the same heart, when separated, slowly, in microscopic increments, moved toward each other. could this be scientific proof of a force beyond the physical? AND...a what about the discovery that even at the smallest scale, there is STILL more space between the smallest particles...what is this space which separates us yet binds us? am i completely mad? you decide...but i guess that my post is getting more towards the question...is there SOMETHING or NOTHING...if it were SOMETHING would it not always be SOMETHING by its very nature, hence eternal? shit i'm going off on tagents here i suppose...i'm just get over a virus or something you understand...these thoughts tend to come around when i'm feeling crappy. I'd drive myself crazy trying to figure it out, and did for many years. I finally came to the realization that I, personally, don't need those answers. Do I believe that there is a god or "something"? Yes. However, my take on there being a god and who and what he/she/it is, is different than what most feel/think. Do I know that there is a god? Of course not. I do understand what you're saying now, I've had similar questions in the past. They're really only questions that you yourself can answer... in my opinion. | |
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Penis said: Muse2noPharaoh said: teller said: Penis said: yes, but the world and not just the world, the series of events which came from the big-bang up until your life at this very moment - the ever-changing universe...does it essentially shape your very being. Or is your very being a product of an essential YOU? i guess I am asking whether there is an outside force which impacts on our consciousness or not? sometimes i really wonder. i think we all do...hence the world's religions and the problems of existence.
Obviously both you and the universe exert causality on each other. Obviously both you and the universe exert causality on each other  Funny!  Or is it? I think it is very true...and not so obvious to all people. Agreed! Very powerful words! | |
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AzureStar said: Penis said: AzureStar said: Anyway... it may be possible. Who can say? Intervene how?
exactly...who can say the answer to this question of an intervening universe which may itself be god? all i know is that it is a force which impacts on my being and that it is real. it is a SOMETHING rather than a NOTHING. there is not only me. there is this "otherness" to the world and this life which many block out. some take the path of atheism to convince themselves that they have total control...but ultimately this is not the case when you have been to the very cesspit of life. you need the support of others and a sense of unity and indeed love...we all need it as human beings. i think love is a genuine force. a physical example is a scientifice study which showed that two pieces of the same heart, when separated, slowly, in microscopic increments, moved toward each other. could this be scientific proof of a force beyond the physical? AND...a what about the discovery that even at the smallest scale, there is STILL more space between the smallest particles...what is this space which separates us yet binds us? am i completely mad? you decide...but i guess that my post is getting more towards the question...is there SOMETHING or NOTHING...if it were SOMETHING would it not always be SOMETHING by its very nature, hence eternal? shit i'm going off on tagents here i suppose...i'm just get over a virus or something you understand...these thoughts tend to come around when i'm feeling crappy. I'd drive myself crazy trying to figure it out, and did for many years. I finally came to the realization that I, personally, don't need those answers. Do I believe that there is a god or "something"? Yes. However, my take on there being a god and who and what he/she/it is, is different than what most feel/think. Do I know that there is a god? Of course not. I do understand what you're saying now, I've had similar questions in the past. They're really only questions that you yourself can answer... in my opinion. yes, i agree...sounds like we have similar feelings on the subject. i believe there is this indefinable, yet knowable "something" which our consciousness can register...but which we can only really choose to acknowledge or ignore, ourselves. i do however like to discuss these things and i don't give up thinking about it. it's part of the enjoyment of life, in fact to ask these questions. just wanted to know what all the orgers thought! _________________________________________________
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Penis said: some take the path of atheism to convince themselves that they have total control
Atheism does not imply control. There is always order in the universe, and it's not always visible; it can be quite subtle. And then there is always our intuition. Sometimes they meet. Fear is the mind-killer. | |
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Penis said: Deep Thoughts with Penis
Glad to see I'm not the only one around here thinking with his penis...8) | |
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well,
seeing as i consider myself inextricably a part of the universe, i'd say the universe. but that's just me ------------------------------------------------
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MRDREAMFACTORY said: I deside who i tag & whan i tag them sorry...
what is that supposed to mean? _________________________________________________
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Penis said: AzureStar said: Penis said: AzureStar said: Anyway... it may be possible. Who can say? Intervene how?
exactly...who can say the answer to this question of an intervening universe which may itself be god? all i know is that it is a force which impacts on my being and that it is real. it is a SOMETHING rather than a NOTHING. there is not only me. there is this "otherness" to the world and this life which many block out. some take the path of atheism to convince themselves that they have total control...but ultimately this is not the case when you have been to the very cesspit of life. you need the support of others and a sense of unity and indeed love...we all need it as human beings. i think love is a genuine force. a physical example is a scientifice study which showed that two pieces of the same heart, when separated, slowly, in microscopic increments, moved toward each other. could this be scientific proof of a force beyond the physical? AND...a what about the discovery that even at the smallest scale, there is STILL more space between the smallest particles...what is this space which separates us yet binds us? am i completely mad? you decide...but i guess that my post is getting more towards the question...is there SOMETHING or NOTHING...if it were SOMETHING would it not always be SOMETHING by its very nature, hence eternal? shit i'm going off on tagents here i suppose...i'm just get over a virus or something you understand...these thoughts tend to come around when i'm feeling crappy. I'd drive myself crazy trying to figure it out, and did for many years. I finally came to the realization that I, personally, don't need those answers. Do I believe that there is a god or "something"? Yes. However, my take on there being a god and who and what he/she/it is, is different than what most feel/think. Do I know that there is a god? Of course not. I do understand what you're saying now, I've had similar questions in the past. They're really only questions that you yourself can answer... in my opinion. yes, i agree...sounds like we have similar feelings on the subject. i believe there is this indefinable, yet knowable "something" which our consciousness can register...but which we can only really choose to acknowledge or ignore, ourselves. i do however like to discuss these things and i don't give up thinking about it. it's part of the enjoyment of life, in fact to ask these questions. just wanted to know what all the orgers thought! Oh, discussing things are great... this particular subject just makes me crazy because there simply isn't an answer... there is no possible way for any of us to "know". And, yeah... it does sound like we have similar thoughts on the subject. | |
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AzureStar said: Penis said: AzureStar said: Penis said: AzureStar said: Anyway... it may be possible. Who can say? Intervene how?
exactly...who can say the answer to this question of an intervening universe which may itself be god? all i know is that it is a force which impacts on my being and that it is real. it is a SOMETHING rather than a NOTHING. there is not only me. there is this "otherness" to the world and this life which many block out. some take the path of atheism to convince themselves that they have total control...but ultimately this is not the case when you have been to the very cesspit of life. you need the support of others and a sense of unity and indeed love...we all need it as human beings. i think love is a genuine force. a physical example is a scientifice study which showed that two pieces of the same heart, when separated, slowly, in microscopic increments, moved toward each other. could this be scientific proof of a force beyond the physical? AND...a what about the discovery that even at the smallest scale, there is STILL more space between the smallest particles...what is this space which separates us yet binds us? am i completely mad? you decide...but i guess that my post is getting more towards the question...is there SOMETHING or NOTHING...if it were SOMETHING would it not always be SOMETHING by its very nature, hence eternal? shit i'm going off on tagents here i suppose...i'm just get over a virus or something you understand...these thoughts tend to come around when i'm feeling crappy. I'd drive myself crazy trying to figure it out, and did for many years. I finally came to the realization that I, personally, don't need those answers. Do I believe that there is a god or "something"? Yes. However, my take on there being a god and who and what he/she/it is, is different than what most feel/think. Do I know that there is a god? Of course not. I do understand what you're saying now, I've had similar questions in the past. They're really only questions that you yourself can answer... in my opinion. yes, i agree...sounds like we have similar feelings on the subject. i believe there is this indefinable, yet knowable "something" which our consciousness can register...but which we can only really choose to acknowledge or ignore, ourselves. i do however like to discuss these things and i don't give up thinking about it. it's part of the enjoyment of life, in fact to ask these questions. just wanted to know what all the orgers thought! Oh, discussing things are great... this particular subject just makes me crazy because there simply isn't an answer... there is no possible way for any of us to "know". And, yeah... it does sound like we have similar thoughts on the subject. yeah _________________________________________________
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