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Thread started 06/19/15 6:00pm

morningsong

NASA Gives ‘GO’ for Mission to Alien Ocean World at Jupiter Moon Europa

" “We are trying to answer big questions. Are we alone,” said Grunsfeld at the May 26 media briefing.



“Therefore Europa is the most likely place to find life in our solar system today because we think there is a liquid water ocean beneath its surface.”


Water is a prerequisite for life as we know it.

“We know that on Earth everywhere there is water we find life,” says Robert Pappalardo, Europa mission project scientist.


http://www.universetoday....n-europa/


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Good news after being decades behind schedule. A species moves forward.

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Reply #1 posted 06/19/15 6:56pm

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hmmm

FOOLS multiply when WISE Men & Women are silent.
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Reply #2 posted 06/19/15 7:13pm

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Aquaman and I went there already, not much to see there

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Reply #3 posted 06/20/15 4:58am

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Next month, New Horizons will do a flyby of the dwarf planet Pluto and its moons.

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Reply #5 posted 06/20/15 9:28am

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Reply #6 posted 06/21/15 2:45am

morningsong

kpowers said:

Aquaman and I went there already, not much to see there





I'm confused. I get why Aquaman would go to a water-world, but Batman's interest would be...? There's no perches.
[Edited 6/20/15 19:46pm]
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Reply #7 posted 06/21/15 2:52am

morningsong

uPtoWnNY said:

Next month, New Horizons will do a flyby of the dwarf planet Pluto and its moons.




Yep. An up close personal view.

The New Horizons spacecraft is carrying a "Multicolor Visible Imaging Camera" that takes stills in blue, red, and near-infrared, then puts them together for a color picture. It took a series of pictures between May 29th and June 3rd that show the dwarf planet and its largest moon, Charon revolving around their shared center of gravity. The mission will make its closest approach to Pluto on July 14th when it gets about 7,800 miles above the surface (shown above in an artist rendering). You can check out the low-res animation after the break, and mark your calendar for the better look that's just 24 days away.
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Reply #8 posted 06/21/15 4:45am

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Reply #9 posted 06/21/15 10:17am

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morningsong said:

kpowers said:

Aquaman and I went there already, not much to see there

I'm confused. I get why Aquaman would go to a water-world, but Batman's interest would be...? There's no perches. [Edited 6/20/15 19:46pm]

There was a rumour that Black Manta and Mr. Freeze were building a secret base there

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Reply #10 posted 06/21/15 12:02pm

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A species moves forward.

Are you seriously that naive?

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Reply #11 posted 06/21/15 4:12pm

morningsong

JoeTyler said:



morningsong said:


A species moves forward.




Are you seriously that naive?


Yes I think I am. Backwards is not an option.

“There is nothing new under the sun, but there are new suns.”
― Octavia E. Butler
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Reply #12 posted 06/21/15 6:11pm

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uPtoWnNY said:

Next month, New Horizons will do a flyby of the dwarf planet Pluto and its moons.



Is it a planet again? That was foul what they did to Pluto. eek

Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise.
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Reply #13 posted 06/21/15 9:39pm

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Project Orion was a study of a spacecraft intended to be directly propelled by a series of explosions of atomic bombs behind the craft (nuclear pulse propulsion). Early versions of this vehicle were proposed to take off from the ground with significant associated nuclear fallout; later versions were presented for use only in space.

The idea of rocket propulsion by combustion of explosive substance was first proposed by Russian explosives expert Nikolai Kibalchich in 1881, and in 1891 similar ideas were developed independently by German engineer Hermann Ganswindt. General proposals of nuclear propulsion were first made by Stanislaw Ulam in 1946, and preliminary calculations were made by F. Reines and Ulam in a Los Alamos memorandum dated 1947.[1] The actual project, initiated in 1958, was led by Ted Taylor at General Atomics and physicist Freeman Dyson, who at Taylor's request took a year away from the Institute for Advanced Study in Princeton to work on the project.



The biggest design above is the "super" Orion design; at 8 million tonnes, it could easily be a city.[11] In interviews, the designers contemplated the large ship as a possible interstellar ark. This extreme design could be built with materials and techniques that could be obtained in 1958 or were anticipated to be available shortly after. The practical upper limit is likely to be higher with modern materials.

Most of the three thousand tonnes of each of the "super" Orion's propulsion units would be inert material such as polyethylene, or boron salts, used to transmit the force of the propulsion units detonation to the Orion's pusher plate, and absorb neutrons to minimize fallout. One design proposed by Freeman Dyson for the "Super Orion" called for the pusher plate to be composed primarily of uranium or a transuranic element so that upon reaching a nearby star system the plate could be converted to nuclear fuel.


The Orion nuclear pulse rocket design has extremely high performance. Orion nuclear pulse rockets using nuclear fission type pulse units were originally intended for use on interplanetary space flights.

Missions that were designed for an Orion vehicle in the original project included single stage (i.e., directly from Earth's surface) to Mars and back, and a trip to one of the moons of Saturn.

At 0.1c, Orion thermonuclear starships would require a flight time of at least 44 years to reach Alpha Centauri, not counting time needed to reach that speed (about 36 days at constant acceleration of 1g or 9.8 m/s2). At 0.1c, an Orion starship would require 100 years to travel 10 light years. The astronomer Carl Sagan suggested that this would be an excellent use for current stockpiles of nuclear weapons.[17]




IMHO, this idea had a multitude of problems, but the massive amounts of money, man power and intellect that has been spent since figuring out way to have power over the other guy had other places it could have gone that would have done us all so much better.
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Reply #14 posted 06/22/15 5:26pm

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Reply #15 posted 06/22/15 5:38pm

Arjuna

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Reply #16 posted 06/22/15 5:44pm

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kpowers said:

morningsong said:

kpowers said: I'm confused. I get why Aquaman would go to a water-world, but Batman's interest would be...? There's no perches. [Edited 6/20/15 19:46pm]

There was a rumour that Black Manta and Mr. Freeze were building a secret base there



Stoppit! lol lol lol

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Reply #17 posted 06/22/15 7:01pm

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babynoz said:

kpowers said:

There was a rumour that Black Manta and Mr. Freeze were building a secret base there



Stoppit! lol lol lol

batman It was just a rumour

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Reply #18 posted 06/22/15 8:34pm

uPtoWnNY

babynoz said:

uPtoWnNY said:

Next month, New Horizons will do a flyby of the dwarf planet Pluto and its moons.



Is it a planet again? That was foul what they did to Pluto. eek

When you look at the criteria, Pluto doesn't deserve planet status.

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Reply #19 posted 06/22/15 9:03pm

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uPtoWnNY said:

babynoz said:



Is it a planet again? That was foul what they did to Pluto. eek

When you look at the criteria, Pluto doesn't deserve planet status.

Interplanet Janet said Pluto was a planet so that is good enough for me

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Reply #20 posted 06/22/15 10:05pm

babynoz

uPtoWnNY said:

babynoz said:



Is it a planet again? That was foul what they did to Pluto. eek

When you look at the criteria, Pluto doesn't deserve planet status.



You take that back or else.... chair

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Reply #21 posted 06/22/15 10:07pm

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kpowers said:

uPtoWnNY said:

When you look at the criteria, Pluto doesn't deserve planet status.

Interplanet Janet said Pluto was a planet so that is good enough for me



Damn skippy! nod

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Reply #22 posted 06/23/15 5:42am

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Reply #23 posted 06/23/15 5:52am

morningsong

Arjuna said:[quote]

morningsong said:

Project Orion was a study of a spacecraft intended to be directly propelled by a series of explosions of atomic bombs behind the craft (nuclear pulse propulsion). Early versions of this vehicle were proposed to take off from the ground with significant associated nuclear fallout; later versions were presented for use only in space.

The idea of rocket propulsion by combustion of explosive substance was first proposed by Russsian explosives expert Nikolai Kibalchich in 1881, and in 1891 similar ideas were developed independently by German engineer Hermann Ganswindt. General proposals of nuclear propulsion were first made by Stanislaw Ulam in 1946, and preliminary calculations were made by F. Reines and Ulam in a Los Alamos memorandum dated 1947.[1] The actual project, initiated in 1958, was led by Ted Taylor at General Atomics and physicist Freeman Dyson, who at Taylor's request took a year away from the Institute for Advanced Study in Princeton to work on the project.

The biggest design above is the "super" Orion design; at 8 million tonnes, it could easily be a city.[11] In interviews, the designers contemplated the large ship as a possible interstellar ark. This extreme design could be built with materials and techniques that could be obtained in 1958 or were anticipated to be available shortly after. The practical upper limit is likely to be higher with modern materials.

Most of the three thousand tonnes of each of the "super" Orion's propulsion units would be inert material such as polyethylene, or boron salts, used to transmit the force of the propulsion units detonation to the Orion's pusher plate, and absorb neutrons to minimize fallout. One design proposed by Freeman Dyson for the "Super Orion" called for the pusher plate to be composed primarily of uranium or a transuranic element so that upon reaching a nearby star system the plate could be converted to nuclear fuel.


The Orion nuclear pulse rocket design has extremely high performance. Orion nuclear pulse rockets using nuclear fission type pulse units were originally intended for use on interplanetary space flights.

Missions that were designed for an Orion vehicle in the original project included single stage (i.e., directly from Earth's surface) to Mars and back, and a trip to one of the moons of Saturn.

At 0.1c, Orion thermonuclear starships would require a flight time of at least 44 years to reach Alpha Centauri, not counting time needed to reach that speed (about 36 days at constant acceleration of 1g or 9.8 m/s2). At 0.1c, an Orion starship would require 100 years to travel 10 light years. The astronomer Carl Sagan suggested that this would be an excellent use for current stockpiles of nuclear weapons.[17]

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My thoughts (Arjuna)... to morningsong.

The real way to use propulsion is through magnetics.

Mankind can handle magnetics. Opposite polarities quantify speed.
Nuclear was never meant to be handed to our physical bodies only mankind found the elements forself gain.End result, "Game Over".

The massive amount of salt water the earth has (Salt being a conductive energy transporter) coupled with magnetic-sphere propulsion (my invention) would work.
Harnessing the magnetic energy polarity against and through currents if sea salt would work. A recyclable chamber that would lose ZERO elements would provide a self contained avenue without worry to find the energy or fuel to get to and from many worlds.

Pressurized H2O suits would work for travel and would maintain a proper perfect body temperature; especially, if thesensors on the outside detected major atmosphere tempchanges and would alert any traveler ahead of time to take shelter in a planet pod until such time you could leave.

Pressure pod, individual pods for survival. They collapse into themselves are round and made with a teflon titanium coating for environmentalchanges, atmospheric storms and/or emergency needs, period.

All my inventions and could work... without any combursome needs.

Thank you.
Arjuna
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You should present your ideas to Space X. Several of the big "builder" are working towards a manned mission to Mars. Check out http://www.inspirationmars.org


They have a proposal that gives the breakdown of the challenges that are being faced. It overwhelmed me. The tech stuff is over my head but it was interesting to see all the details that need to be thought about. Now I understand why Mars One is proposing a one way trip. Getting back to Earth is a major problem,
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Reply #24 posted 06/23/15 6:19pm

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kpowers said:

uPtoWnNY said:

When you look at the criteria, Pluto doesn't deserve planet status.

Interplanet Janet said Pluto was a planet so that is good enough for me


Lying b*tch!

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Reply #25 posted 06/23/15 6:22pm

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I wonder...if humans begin to mine other planets/moons/asteroids to satisfy our need for minerals - will this allow for more green space here on Earth? If we don't have to dig up the ground for iron and all that stuff, can we give back to Mother Nature?

Can we reverse the current mass extinction?

hmmm

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Reply #26 posted 06/23/15 7:12pm

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PurpleJedi said:

kpowers said:

Interplanet Janet said Pluto was a planet so that is good enough for me


Lying b*tch!

razz

Hey watch your mouth!!!! For the record there hasn't been a planet that Janet hasn't seen.

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Reply #27 posted 06/24/15 5:09pm

morningsong

I just came across this.



size-of-dwarf-planets-on-map

The inner globe is the dwarf planet Ceres, the middle globe is dwarf planet Pluto, and the outer globe is our Moon.


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Reply #28 posted 06/26/15 8:22pm

morningsong

I have no where to post these. So here is as good as any I guess. Sciencey and stuff.

What you think? The design, not the girl.

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Reply #29 posted 06/26/15 11:21pm

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Announcing the SpaceX Hyperloop Pod Competitionhttp://www.spacex.com/hyperloop


"For this reason, SpaceX is announcing an open competition, geared towards university students and independent engineering teams, to design and build the best Hyperloop pod. To support this competition, SpaceX will construct a one-mile test track adjacent to our Hawthorne, California headquarters. Teams will be able to test their human-scale pods during a competition weekend at the track, currently targeted for June 2016. The knowledge gained here will continue to be open-sourced."

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