: http://www.history.com/ne...airy-tales

Jacob and Wilhelm Grimm’s collection of folktales contains some of the best-known children’s characters in literary history, from Snow White and Rapunzel to Cinderella and Little Red Riding Hood. Yet the brothers originally filled their book, which became known as “Grimm’s Fairy Tales,” with gruesome scenes that wouldn’t be out of place in an R-rated movie. The Grimms never even set out to entertain kids. The first edition of “Grimm’s Fairy Tales” was scholarly in tone, with many footnotes and no illustrations. Only later, as children became their main audience, did they take out some of the more adult content. Their stories were then further sanitized as they were adapted by Walt Disney and others. As the 150th anniversary of Jacob’s death approaches—he passed away on September 20, 1863, about four years after Wilhelm—check out some of the surprisingly dark themes that appear in the Grimms’ work.

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Snow White

This article is about the traditional fairy tale

: http://www.history.com/ne...airy-tales

NOW

remember all the cutsie disney animated cartoon movies that more than many of us viewed at one time or another? one can recall reading some of these fairy tales to their children. remember how the kids would chuckle gleefully when they were shown the books pictures, and /or disney's snow what films?

such fun

the snow white movie and the evil queen played by sigourney weaver in 'a tale of terror' is one of the closest filming translation of the brother's grimm's story of snow white as compared to disney's take on the story.

anyway, i got a chance to search the origins of some of these stories, a few years back and i shuttered and giggled at my shuttering.

an overview of the brother's grimm story 'snow white' story in the real brother's grimm story.

: https://en.wikipedia.org/...Snow_White

(fairy tales - bahah humbug. more like scary tales.

remember 'lil red riding hood'?

check it out from grimm's pen.

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free2bfreeda said:

: http://www.history.com/ne...airy-tales

Jacob and Wilhelm Grimm’s collection of folktales contains some of the best-known children’s characters in literary history, from Snow White and Rapunzel to Cinderella and Little Red Riding Hood. Yet the brothers originally filled their book, which became known as “Grimm’s Fairy Tales,” with gruesome scenes that wouldn’t be out of place in an R-rated movie. The Grimms never even set out to entertain kids. The first edition of “Grimm’s Fairy Tales” was scholarly in tone, with many footnotes and no illustrations. Only later, as children became their main audience, did they take out some of the more adult content. Their stories were then further sanitized as they were adapted by Walt Disney and others. As the 150th anniversary of Jacob’s death approaches—he passed away on September 20, 1863, about four years after Wilhelm—check out some of the surprisingly dark themes that appear in the Grimms’ work.

read more:

Snow White

This article is about the traditional fairy tale

: http://www.history.com/ne...airy-tales

NOW

remember all the cutsie disney animated cartoon movies that more than many of us viewed at one time or another? one can recall reading some of these fairy tales to their children. remember how the kids would chuckle gleefully when they were shown the books pictures, and /or disney's snow what films?

such fun

the snow white movie and the evil queen played by sigourney weaver in 'a tale of terror' is one of the closest filming translation of the brother's grimm's story of snow white as compared to disney's take on the story.

anyway, i got a chance to search the origins of some of these stories, a few years back and i shuttered and giggled at my shuttering.

an overview of the brother's grimm story 'snow white' story in the real brother's grimm story.

: https://en.wikipedia.org/...Snow_White

(fairy tales - bahah humbug. more like scary tales.

remember 'lil red riding hood'?

check it out from grimm's pen.

[Edited 6/17/15 15:25pm]

I don't know why my pops felt the need to expose me the more realistic Grimm fairy tales, I had to read a few as his homework assignments for me, even though he made Disney films the center of my world also. My kids could get interested in the Grimms tales, they had a bunch of other stories they were interested in, but as long as they learned to read I never pushed it.

I wouldn't say the stories were more adult, but more gruesome. Back when the tales were written, people including children were exposed to horrific death on the regular, they were harder to shock, today we live in a more sanitized world on purpose.

sigourney weaver as a Great actress. she looked and sounded scary when transformed in to the evil witch.

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to think sigourney weaver is so pretty in reality, she can't be discounted as a great actor.

she did hecque good in her portrayal of both the queen and the witch.

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the cindarella story is much better

an Italian folk tale

: https://en.wikipedia.org/...Cinderella

seems this story did not have to be so sanitized as time went on. also according to the above link, it seems the brother's grimm adapted this story and sythicized some of the parts of the original

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wow 1634.

Cinderella, or The Little Glass Slipper (Italian: Cenerentola, French: Cendrillon ou La Petite Pantoufle de verre, German: Aschenputtel), is an Italian folk tale embodying a myth-element of unjust oppression. The first written version was published in Napoli (Naples) by Giambattista Basile, in his Pentamerone (1634). The story itself was based in the Kingdom of Naples, at that time the most important political and cultural center of Southern Italy and among the most influential capitals in Europe, and written in the Neapolitan dialect. It was later reprised, along with other Basile's tales, by Charles Perrault in Histoires ou contes du temps passé (1697), and by the Brothers Grimm in their folk tale collection Grimms' Fairy Tales (1812).

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now i gotta update the little red riding hood story.

[Edited 6/17/15 16:42pm]

Disney wasn't the first to change grimm's fairy tales. even the brother's grimm tinkered with their stories from one edition to another.

: http://www.csmonitor.com/...em-forever

[Edited 6/19/15 7:17am]

Little Red Riding Hood

Earliest versions[edit]

The origins of the Little Red Riding Hood story can be traced to versions from various European countries and more than likely preceding the 17th century, of which several exist, some significantly different from the currently known, Grimms-inspired version. It was told by French peasants in the 10th century.^[1] In Italy, the Little Red Riding Hood was told by peasants in fourteenth century, where a number of versions exist, including La finta nonna (The False Grandmother).^[9] It has also been called "The Story of Grandmother". It is also possible that this early tale has roots in very similar Oriental tales (e.g. "Grandaunt Tiger").^[10]

These early variations of the tale differ from the currently known version in several ways. The antagonist is not always a wolf, but sometimes an ogre or a 'bzou' (werewolf), making these tales relevant to the werewolf-trials (similar to witch trials) of the time (e.g. the trial of Peter Stumpp).^[11] The wolf usually leaves the grandmother’s blood and meat for the girl to eat, who then unwittinglycannibalizes her own grandmother. Furthermore, the wolf was also known to ask her to remove her clothing and toss it into the fire.^[12] In some versions, the wolf eats the girl after she gets into bed with him, and the story ends there.^[13] In others, she sees through his disguise and tries to escape, complaining to her "grandmother" that she needs to defecate and would not wish to do so in the bed. The wolf reluctantly lets her go, tied to a piece of string so she does not get away. However, the girl slips the string over something else and runs off.

In these stories she escapes with no help from any male or older female figure, instead using her own cunning. Sometimes, though more rarely, the red hood is even non-existent.^[13]

In other tellings of the story, the wolf chases after Little Red Ridinghood. She escapes with the help of some laundresses, who spread a sheet taut over a river so she may escape. When the wolf follows Red over the bridge of cloth, the sheet is released and the wolf drowns in the river.^[14]

They weren't called Grim(m) for nothing. Tales back then were meant to teach a lesson as well as entertain.

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morningsong said:

This is interesting. I had never heard of the werewolf trials. Ewww. This has a familiar ring to it. I say poor girl though. Peter Stumpp (died 1589) (whose name is also spelled as Peter Stube, Pe(e)ter Stubbe, Peter Stübbe or Peter Stumpf) was a Rhenish farmer, accused of being a serial killer and a cannibal, also known as the "Werewolf of Bedburg". During 1589, Stumpp had one of the most lurid and famous werewolf trials of history. After being stretched on a rack, and before further torture commenced,[2] he confessed to having practiced black magic since he was twelve years old. He claimed that the Devil had given him a magical belt or girdle, which enabled him to metamorphose into "the likeness of a greedy, devouring wolf, strong and mighty, with eyes great and large, which in the night sparkled like fire, a mouth great and wide, with most sharp and cruel teeth, a huge body, and mighty paws." Removing the belt, he said, made him transform back to his human form. For twenty-five years, Stumpp had allegedly been an "insatiable bloodsucker" who gorged on the flesh of goats, lambs, and sheep, as well as men, women, and children. Being threatened with torture he confessed to killing and eating fourteen children, two pregnant women, whose fetuses he ripped from their wombs and "ate their hearts panting hot and raw," which he later described as "dainty morsels." [3] One of the fourteen children was his own son, whose brain he was reported to have devoured. Not only was Stumpp accused of being a serial murderer and cannibal, but also of having an incestuous relationship with his daughter, who was sentenced to die with him, and he coupled with a distant relative, which was also considered to be incestuous according to the law. In addition to this he confessed to having had intercourse with a succubus sent to him by the Devil. Execution Composite woodcut print by Lukas Mayer of the execution of Peter Stumpp in 1589 at Bedburg near Cologne. The execution of Stumpp, on October 31, 1589, and of his daughter and mistress is one of the most brutal on record: He was put to a wheel, where "flesh was torn from his body", in ten places, with red-hot pincers, followed by his arms and legs. Then his limbs were broken with the blunt side of an axehead to prevent him from returning from the grave, before he was beheaded and burned on a pyre. His daughter and mistress had already been flayed and strangled and were burned along with Stumpp's body. As a warning against similar behavior, local authorities erected a pole with the torture wheel and the figure of a wolf on it, and at the very top they placed Peter Stumpp's severed head. [Edited 6/20/15 19:56pm]

The way they punished people in the middle ages really showed how evil men can be. Damn, who even come up with this stuff?

NorthC said:

Thanx for posting. I recently got very interested in the history of these old fairy tales.

you're welcome.

i've been curious about the history of the writing of 'the three little pigs'. seems there were several off shoots to the original author of that fairy tale.

here's what i decided to post after looking a more than a few results

; http://grimm.wikia.com/wi...ittle_Pigs

the three little pigs

i'm all:

In the original tale "The Three Little Pigs," the story begins with the title characters being sent out into the world by their mother to "seek their fortune." The first pig builds a house of straw, but a wolf blows it down; the pig then runs to his brother's house for safety. The second pig builds a house of sticks and lets his brother in, but the wolf blows his house down as well. The two pigs then run to safety at their other brother's house.

The third pig builds a house of hard bricks and lets his brothers in. When the wolf can't blow the house down, he attempts to trick the little pigs out of the house, but the pigs outsmart him at every turn. Finally, the wolf resolves to come down the chimney; whereupon the pigs boil a pot of water into which the wolf plunges. The pigs quickly cover the pot and cook the wolf for supper.

In "The Three Bad Wolves", the classic tale is inverted into a story of vigilante justice, as the pigs seek reparations for the harm wolves have done to their ancestors. Burning down the homes of Blutbaden is an ode to the tale, as the pigs seek to destroy the homes of the wolves as payback.

i luv history, and finding these stories that made me giggle as i read them, or saw the animated versions that held be spell bound is awesome imo. then when the origins and the histories of some of these fairytales can make one further spell bound.

seems the 3 little pigs is really kinda cute.

i luved the way they were depicted in the movie 'shrek'.

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