Reply #30 posted 03/30/15 8:14pm
NorthC |
JoeTyler said:
morningsong said: Do people sue in Germany like they do in the States? With what I just heard on the news, in the States, families would sue the heck out that airline for even hiring the guy.
yeah the guy had been treated before, depression AND suicidal tendencies, so WHAT THE FUCK was he doing working for an airline??? News reports I read (in Dutch) said he was under treatment years ago (they don't say how many years) for being suicidal. But the last few years (once again, they don't say how many), doctors saw no suicidal or agressive behaviour. This is all hearsay of course, but it does raise an interesting question: how would sueing the airline help anybody? Suppose someone suffered from depressions and agressive behaviour, say, 5 years ago, does that mean he'd never be allowed to work again? Let's not judge too soon. |
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Reply #31 posted 03/30/15 8:27pm
JoeTyler |
NorthC said:
JoeTyler said:
yeah
the guy had been treated before, depression AND suicidal tendencies, so WHAT THE FUCK was he doing working for an airline???
News reports I read (in Dutch) said he was under treatment years ago (they don't say how many years) for being suicidal. But the last few years (once again, they don't say how many), doctors saw no suicidal or agressive behaviour. This is all hearsay of course, but it does raise an interesting question: how would sueing the airline help anybody? Suppose someone suffered from depressions and agressive behaviour, say, 5 years ago, does that mean he'd never be allowed to work again? Let's not judge too soon.
yeah, let's not judge too soon, it's not that he hasn't already killed himself AND 150 innocent lives or anything like that...
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Reply #32 posted 03/30/15 9:24pm
NorthC |
My point was: how could the airline know about this? Maybe I wasn't clear: I meant, let's not judge the airline. The man himself, I gues we'll never know what went on in his head. |
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Reply #33 posted 03/30/15 10:45pm
morningsong |
NorthC said:
JoeTyler said:
yeah
the guy had been treated before, depression AND suicidal tendencies, so WHAT THE FUCK was he doing working for an airline???
News reports I read (in Dutch) said he was under treatment years ago (they don't say how many years) for being suicidal. But the last few years (once again, they don't say how many), doctors saw no suicidal or agressive behaviour. This is all hearsay of course, but it does raise an interesting question: how would sueing the airline help anybody? Suppose someone suffered from depressions and agressive behaviour, say, 5 years ago, does that mean he'd never be allowed to work again? Let's not judge too soon.
Oh please there are plenty of jobs where past behaviors will cause one to never be hired, EVER, add public safety issues on top of it, those families could give a bleep less about judging lest thou be judged kind of thoughts, they'd rather have their loved ones home safe. |
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Reply #34 posted 03/31/15 12:29am
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JoeTyler said:
NorthC said:
JoeTyler said: News reports I read (in Dutch) said he was under treatment years ago (they don't say how many years) for being suicidal. But the last few years (once again, they don't say how many), doctors saw no suicidal or agressive behaviour. This is all hearsay of course, but it does raise an interesting question: how would sueing the airline help anybody? Suppose someone suffered from depressions and agressive behaviour, say, 5 years ago, does that mean he'd never be allowed to work again? Let's not judge too soon.
yeah, let's not judge too soon, it's not that he hasn't already killed himself AND 150 innocent lives or anything like that...
looks like your "piece of shit" comment was not called for............yeah, i thought the same thing too but it is looking more and more like mental issues and suicidal thoughts...........i don't think he intentionally set out to take people with him.......the one thing that is obvious is that he wanted to die and apparently there is a national obsession with personal privacy in Germany that may have helped him keep his job when he probably should have had his license suspended.........by the way - - Happy Bi-Polar Day (March 30)
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Reply #35 posted 03/31/15 2:11am
JoeTyler |
^sorry, but mass murderers are pieces of shit in my book, and since I started this thread...
a person who finally succumbs to his/her inner demons and suicidal thoughts and kills her/himself has all my sympathy and pity
a piece of shit who kills 150 individuals can go fuck him/herself wherever he/she is now
guy wanted to be somebody...the easy way, by killing innocent children, men and women
FUCK HIM
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Reply #36 posted 03/31/15 8:26am
NorthC |
I wouldn't say Germany is "obsessed" with privacy. Remember this is the country that used to have the Gestapo and the Stasi. But the whole privacy vs security debat is a different subject. |
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Reply #37 posted 03/31/15 9:58am
Chancellor |
What's even more interesting is the fact that the Co-pilot kept his family out of harms way and intentionally Murdered other peoples families. He has hurt and devastated his Family in the most Evil way possible...My heart always go out to suicide victims that feel their problems are too much to bear. The Co-pilot's act is Selfish and we will forever see him as a Murderer and Terrorist. |
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Reply #38 posted 03/31/15 11:33am
JoeTyler |
Chancellor said:
ntentionally Murdered other peoples families.
He has hurt and devastated his Family in the most Evil way possible...M
The Co-pilot's act is Selfish and we will forever see him as a Murderer and Terrorist.
my point exactly |
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Reply #39 posted 03/31/15 1:15pm
Graycap23 |
Chancellor said:
What's even more interesting is the fact that the Co-pilot kept his family out of harms way and intentionally Murdered other peoples families. He has hurt and devastated his Family in the most Evil way possible...My heart always go out to suicide victims that feel their problems are too much to bear. The Co-pilot's act is Selfish and we will forever see him as a Murderer and Terrorist.
Can u imagine the narrative if this guy was Muslim or from some so called rogue Nation? FOOLS multiply when WISE Men & Women are silent. |
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Reply #40 posted 03/31/15 4:32pm
Empress |
JoeTyler said:^sorry, but mass murderers are pieces of shit in my book, and since I started this thread... a person who finally succumbs to his/her inner demons and suicidal thoughts and kills her/himself has all my sympathy and pity a piece of shit who kills 150 individuals can go fuck him/herself wherever he/she is now guy wanted to be somebody...the easy way, by killing innocent children, men and women FUCK HIM [Edited 3/30/15 19:15pm] - Right on!!!! |
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Reply #41 posted 03/31/15 4:51pm
PurpleJedi |
CynicKill said:
PurpleJedi said:
Seems like it was Depression.
I'm sorry but if you're going to commit suicide, there's more dramatic ways of doing so that DON'T involve hundreds of innocent lives.
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I disagree.
There's no more dramatic a way of doing this.
I'm not suicidal, but I surely can come up with WAYYY more dramatic means of ending one's life WITHOUT murdering innocents.
I'm sure that no one has yet jumped off the Burg-Khalifa, for starters...
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Reply #42 posted 03/31/15 11:09pm
3rdeyedude |
JoeTyler said:
^sorry, but mass murderers are pieces of shit in my book, and since I started this thread...
a person who finally succumbs to his/her inner demons and suicidal thoughts and kills her/himself has all my sympathy and pity
a piece of shit who kills 150 individuals can go fuck him/herself wherever he/she is now
guy wanted to be somebody...the easy way, by killing innocent children, men and women
FUCK HIM
[Edited 3/30/15 19:15pm]
looks like Lufthansa knew Lubitz had a serious bout of depression before they readmitted him to pilot training - so I guess they will get sued - and Lufthansa looks like the guilty one here - meanwhile a depressed co-pilot with suicidal tendencies killed himself and others just happened to be on the plane when he did it........."FUCK YOU" won't solve anything and doesn't lead the discussion anywhere |
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Reply #43 posted 04/01/15 1:45am
B1tchierThanEv er |
3rdeyedude said:
JoeTyler said:
^sorry, but mass murderers are pieces of shit in my book, and since I started this thread...
a person who finally succumbs to his/her inner demons and suicidal thoughts and kills her/himself has all my sympathy and pity
a piece of shit who kills 150 individuals can go fuck him/herself wherever he/she is now
guy wanted to be somebody...the easy way, by killing innocent children, men and women
FUCK HIM
[Edited 3/30/15 19:15pm]
looks like Lufthansa knew Lubitz had a serious bout of depression before they readmitted him to pilot training - so I guess they will get sued - and Lufthansa looks like the guilty one here - meanwhile a depressed co-pilot with suicidal tendencies killed himself and others just happened to be on the plane when he did it........."FUCK YOU" won't solve anything and doesn't lead the discussion anywhere
Thank you for bringing it back around to the issue. I can understand Joe's anger, but ultimately, nothing's achieved by not looking at causes and influences. Guess I picked a bad year to quit drinking... |
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Reply #44 posted 04/01/15 1:45am
B1tchierThanEv er |
3rdeyedude said:
JoeTyler said:
^sorry, but mass murderers are pieces of shit in my book, and since I started this thread...
a person who finally succumbs to his/her inner demons and suicidal thoughts and kills her/himself has all my sympathy and pity
a piece of shit who kills 150 individuals can go fuck him/herself wherever he/she is now
guy wanted to be somebody...the easy way, by killing innocent children, men and women
FUCK HIM
[Edited 3/30/15 19:15pm]
looks like Lufthansa knew Lubitz had a serious bout of depression before they readmitted him to pilot training - so I guess they will get sued - and Lufthansa looks like the guilty one here - meanwhile a depressed co-pilot with suicidal tendencies killed himself and others just happened to be on the plane when he did it........."FUCK YOU" won't solve anything and doesn't lead the discussion anywhere
Thank you for bringing it back around to the issue. I can understand Joe's anger, but ultimately, nothing's achieved by not looking at causes and influences. Guess I picked a bad year to quit drinking... |
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Reply #45 posted 04/01/15 2:53am
JoeTyler |
^^and that's the problem with some folks these days
so goddamn obsessed at PC that they cannot see the differenceS between depression, suicidal tendencies and straight up MURDER
whatever [Edited 3/31/15 19:54pm] |
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Reply #46 posted 04/01/15 10:46am
B1tchierThanEv er |
JoeTyler said:
^^and that's the problem with some folks these days
so goddamn obsessed at PC that they cannot see the differenceS between depression, suicidal tendencies and straight up MURDER
whatever
[Edited 3/31/15 19:54pm]
You seem to be intentionally misrepresenting my points. Where did I say that he did not MURDER these people? Of course he killed them. You are conflating the words "understand" and "condone." If I were to look for the sources of a cancer case, would you accuse me of being "soft on cancer?" Guess I picked a bad year to quit drinking... |
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Reply #47 posted 04/02/15 12:59am
UncleJam |
I can only imagine (and dont want to) the horror those folks on that plane went thru. My God...all I know is I am NEVER flying again. With this "copycat" society, we have not seen the last of these "incidents". Make it so, Number One... |
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Reply #48 posted 04/02/15 10:10pm
TD3 |
Chancellor said:
What's even more interesting is the fact that the Co-pilot kept his family out of harms way and intentionally Murdered other peoples families. He has hurt and devastated his Family in the most Evil way possible...My heart always go out to suicide victims that feel their problems are too much to bear. The Co-pilot's act is Selfish and we will forever see him as a Murderer and Terrorist.
Exactly.
The only thing this man struggled with...
At what point, which flight would he get the opportunity to crash a commercial airplane. |
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Reply #49 posted 04/03/15 12:11am
tatocorcu |
Graycap23 said:
Chancellor said:
What's even more interesting is the fact that the Co-pilot kept his family out of harms way and intentionally Murdered other peoples families. He has hurt and devastated his Family in the most Evil way possible...My heart always go out to suicide victims that feel their problems are too much to bear. The Co-pilot's act is Selfish and we will forever see him as a Murderer and Terrorist.
Can u imagine the narrative if this guy was Muslim or from some so called rogue Nation? We'd be invading Germany now... |
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Reply #50 posted 04/03/15 9:07pm
JoeTyler |
second black box
Initial reading of data recorder shows Andreas Lubitz used automatic pilot to begin descent and then repeatedly sped up plane, investigators say
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/apr/03/germanwings-co-pilot-accelerated-plane-during-descent |
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