KCOOLMUZIQ said:

TD3 said:

I haven't seen the movie yet...

Jacqueline Kennedy Onasis said it best, "If you bungle raising your children, I don't think whatever else you do well matters very much."

There it is, the end.

There's not much you can do when adults decide to fuck up their lives.... consequences follow their choices. When children are pulled into adult drama, that's a whole different story. Mr. Brown and Ms. Houston weren't parents to this young woman, addicts never are. The girl was basically left alone to raise herself. Cleaning yourself up after leaving others to pick up the pieces and survive the carnage you left behind... who gives a fuck? Both of them weren't worth two dead flies.

The Ike Turner rationlization... " i didn't break her jaw; she could still eat soup"

Nah, Brown hasn't come "clean".

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[Edited 2/3/15 7:41am]

That is a TOTAL lie! Whitney & Bobby always made sure Krissy was taken care of properly. Even going as far as, sending her for two years to live with Whitney's brother and sister in law. I will NOT let you ruin their reputations as parents.

Drug addiction is HEREDITARY!!!!!

I never know if you are trolling or not...if not, you´re seriously pathetic

This is a sad. Cocaine ain't no joke and Whitney functioned with that shit for years. She lived way longer than she should have, considering her addiction. I know people like to hate on Bobby but I bet he is having a tough time too right now.

3rdeyedude said:

This is a sad. Cocaine ain't no joke and Whitney functioned with that shit for years. She lived way longer than she should have, considering her addiction. I know people like to hate on Bobby but I bet he is having a tough time too right now.

it's hard to have sympathy for bobby it really is.

this poor child had no one to protect her. her parents essentially abandoned her and left her their worst legacy.

i can't even think about bobbi kristina without tearing up. i hope whatever happens she is blessed with peace and love and safety.

[Edited 2/3/15 14:23pm]

TD3 said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

That is a TOTAL lie! Whitney & Bobby always made sure Krissy was taken care of properly. Even going as far as, sending her for two years to live with Whitney's brother and sister in law. I will NOT let you ruin their reputations as parents.

Drug addiction is HEREDITARY!!!!!

since I know you... yeah I do.


I not even going to go there with ya.

I don't blame you since he's their publicist.

terrig said:

3rdeyedude said:

This is a sad. Cocaine ain't no joke and Whitney functioned with that shit for years. She lived way longer than she should have, considering her addiction. I know people like to hate on Bobby but I bet he is having a tough time too right now.

it's hard to have sympathy for bobby it really is.

this poor child had no one to protect her. her parents essentially abandoned her and left her their worst legacy.

i can't even think about bobbi kristina without tearing up. i hope whatever happens she is blessed with peace and love and safety.

[Edited 2/3/15 14:23pm]

I feel terrible that this has happened but I cannot say that I didn't see something like this coming fast and furiously after observing that child's public antics over the last 3 years. I do think there were people who tried to redirect her energies (her aunt Pat, as seen through the show that they did, and her creating avenues for her to study under respected coaches, iconic music producers, etc. ) - but as can be the case with a troubled person with unresolved grief, andger, rebellion, further complicated by addiction, I think it's easier said than done, and even more so when there are added layers and textures to the situation like money, fame, power, etc.

People kill me being stuck on trying to find a scapegoat for what's happened here instead of addressing the role that every single person has played in this poor young girl's demise, particularly herself.

Her parents abandoned her? Bobby Krisitina was quite public in saying that she cut off her relationship with her father due to being upset that he remarried, she felt it was "disrespectful". Still, in a perfect world, I wish every parent or guardian would take the Maria Cole approach, have their kid declared legally incompetent and throw them into an extensive rehab program like Natalie Cole. But, as evidenced by the relationships documented in interviews, the reality shows, ect., - no one in that scenario seems to know what the heck they're doing. And ultimately I do believe that people (especially of THAT generation) do the best they can according to how evolved they are.

The Houston family and all their prayer warriors, to me strike me as being from a segment of an older generation that is simply not equipped to get out the prayer closet, call a thing a thing and grab situations regarding addiction by the balls regardless of what public scrutiny they will face and go hardcore into therapy, counseling, ect. You've seen those same relatives at family reuinions, Sunday dinner and in the church pews: they live in denial (because I believe it's imprinted on their emotional hard drive), are the forst to say "oh... that baby will be alright ", and think everything can be solved by prayer and a hot bath . I don't think BK's situation means that no one cared about the girl vs. it's time for things to change and cycles need to be broken, and frankly I think due to their age and formative conditioning, they don't have a freakin clue how to begin. It's not at all unsual to me (unfortunately) to see the same old patterns being played out in dysfunctional families, many of us in the black community tend to be secretive regarding family matters, we supress trauma by any means necessarily, deflect with substitute activities, and we are collectively inept at confronting issues regarding mental illness, addiction, root causes, and how to heal. The only reason people are outraged in the media and general public now is because it's the only child of a beloved 20th century pop culture icon. The truth for me is that this story is hapening every day with Cousin Raequwan and Aunt Glory Jean in black families across the nation. I look at this situation with Bobby Kristina, and I am sad not only for her, but for how this story represents a kind of miscrocosm for some real ish that is going on in black families everyhwere.

my unbridled opinion of this situation is in no way should there have ever been a "whitney" biopic/movie at this point in time. it was too soon. my other feeling is that the makers of this story of whitney and bobby should have had a meeting with Bobbi Kristina to see if she wanted the movie to happen, and/or access if she was emotionally ready to have her father and mother's life splayed across the country for all to view.

Bobbi Kristina was too vulnerable. for her to see a movie aired about her mother and father and their issues must have been devestating to her.

i mean can anyone of us/you stand up to a movie about your parents and the dark side of their lives?

i think not. the whole thing about this movie being presented was insensitive and intrusive to a young Bobbi Kristina.

not only was she overwhelmed with how her mother (Whitney) died, not only did she have to deal with all the bad press about her parents, but she also had to face a world in which her father (Bobby Brown) has been vilified as a major contributor to the down fall of Whitney.

IMO i feel Bobbi Kristina was not respected by those who decided to produce and direct the biopic. i feel they are largely responsible for this tragic outcome of a very young person trying to make sense out of it all.

Ottensen said:

terrig said:

it's hard to have sympathy for bobby it really is.

this poor child had no one to protect her. her parents essentially abandoned her and left her their worst legacy.

i can't even think about bobbi kristina without tearing up. i hope whatever happens she is blessed with peace and love and safety.

[Edited 2/3/15 14:23pm]

I feel terrible that this has happened but I cannot say that I didn't see something like this coming fast and furiously after observing that child's public antics over the last 3 years. I do think there were people who tried to redirect her energies (her aunt Pat, as seen through the show that they did, and her creating avenues for her to study under respected coaches, iconic music producers, etc. ) - but as can be the case with a troubled person with unresolved grief, andger, rebellion, further complicated by addiction, I think it's easier said than done, and even more so when there are added layers and textures to the situation like money, fame, power, etc.

People kill me being stuck on trying to find a scapegoat for what's happened here instead of addressing the role that every single person has played in this poor young girl's demise, particularly herself.

Her parents abandoned her? Bobby Krisitina was quite public in saying that she cut off her relationship with her father due to being upset that he remarried, she felt it was "disrespectful". Still, in a perfect world, I wish every parent or guardian would take the Maria Cole approach, have their kid declared legally incompetent and throw them into an extensive rehab program like Natalie Cole. But, as evidenced by the relationships documented in interviews, the reality shows, ect., - no one in that scenario seems to know what the heck they're doing. And ultimately I do believe that people (especially of THAT generation) do the best they can according to how evolved they are.

The Houston family and all their prayer warriors, to me strike me as being from a segment of an older generation that is simply not equipped to get out the prayer closet, call a thing a thing and grab situations regarding addiction by the balls regardless of what public scrutiny they will face and go hardcore into therapy, counseling, ect. You've seen those same relatives at family reuinions, Sunday dinner and in the church pews: they live in denial (because I believe it's imprinted on their emotional hard drive), are the forst to say "oh... that baby will be alright ", and think everything can be solved by prayer and a hot bath . I don't think BK's situation means that no one cared about the girl vs. it's time for things to change and cycles need to be broken, and frankly I think due to their age and formative conditioning, they don't have a freakin clue how to begin. It's not at all unsual to me (unfortunately) to see the same old patterns being played out in dysfunctional families, many of us in the black community tend to be secretive regarding family matters, we supress trauma by any means necessarily, deflect with substitute activities, and we are collectively inept at confronting issues regarding mental illness, addiction, root causes, and how to heal. The only reason people are outraged in the media and general public now is because it's the only child of a beloved 20th century pop culture icon. The truth for me is that this story is hapening every day with Cousin Raequwan and Aunt Glory Jean in black families across the nation. I look at this situation with Bobby Kristina, and I am sad not only for her, but for how this story represents a kind of miscrocosm for some real ish that is going on in black families everyhwere.

preach.

Ottensen said:

terrig said:

it's hard to have sympathy for bobby it really is.

this poor child had no one to protect her. her parents essentially abandoned her and left her their worst legacy.

i can't even think about bobbi kristina without tearing up. i hope whatever happens she is blessed with peace and love and safety.

[Edited 2/3/15 14:23pm]

I feel terrible that this has happened but I cannot say that I didn't see something like this coming fast and furiously after observing that child's public antics over the last 3 years. I do think there were people who tried to redirect her energies (her aunt Pat, as seen through the show that they did, and her creating avenues for her to study under respected coaches, iconic music producers, etc. ) - but as can be the case with a troubled person with unresolved grief, andger, rebellion, further complicated by addiction, I think it's easier said than done, and even more so when there are added layers and textures to the situation like money, fame, power, etc.

People kill me being stuck on trying to find a scapegoat for what's happened here instead of addressing the role that every single person has played in this poor young girl's demise, particularly herself.

Her parents abandoned her? Bobby Krisitina was quite public in saying that she cut off her relationship with her father due to being upset that he remarried, she felt it was "disrespectful". Still, in a perfect world, I wish every parent or guardian would take the Maria Cole approach, have their kid declared legally incompetent and throw them into an extensive rehab program like Natalie Cole. But, as evidenced by the relationships documented in interviews, the reality shows, ect., - no one in that scenario seems to know what the heck they're doing. And ultimately I do believe that people (especially of THAT generation) do the best they can according to how evolved they are.

The Houston family and all their prayer warriors, to me strike me as being from a segment of an older generation that is simply not equipped to get out the prayer closet, call a thing a thing and grab situations regarding addiction by the balls regardless of what public scrutiny they will face and go hardcore into therapy, counseling, ect. You've seen those same relatives at family reuinions, Sunday dinner and in the church pews: they live in denial (because I believe it's imprinted on their emotional hard drive), are the forst to say "oh... that baby will be alright ", and think everything can be solved by prayer and a hot bath . I don't think BK's situation means that no one cared about the girl vs. it's time for things to change and cycles need to be broken, and frankly I think due to their age and formative conditioning, they don't have a freakin clue how to begin. It's not at all unsual to me (unfortunately) to see the same old patterns being played out in dysfunctional families, many of us in the black community tend to be secretive regarding family matters, we supress trauma by any means necessarily, deflect with substitute activities, and we are collectively inept at confronting issues regarding mental illness, addiction, root causes, and how to heal. The only reason people are outraged in the media and general public now is because it's the only child of a beloved 20th century pop culture icon. The truth for me is that this story is hapening every day with Cousin Raequwan and Aunt Glory Jean in black families across the nation. I look at this situation with Bobby Kristina, and I am sad not only for her, but for how this story represents a kind of miscrocosm for some real ish that is going on in black families everyhwere.

I hear you. Its freaking disgusting how our media uses the throes of downward spiral, the worst situation this family can have, as a vehicle for selling clicks and whatnot. I hate that I know about it, I hate that I wans't so shocked, and I hate how it's normal to watch from afar...

It's so damn sad.

: https://tv.yahoo.com/news...26967.html

Report: Bobbi Kristina Brown's Doctors Say There's Little They Can Do to Save Her Life

5:36PST - 5 February 2016

The prognosis does not look good for Bobbi Kristina Brown.

The daughter of Bobby Brown and the late Whitney Houston was found unconscious and fac... a bathtub on Saturday, and doctors have allegedly told family members that there's little they can do to save her life, Fox Newsreports.

Bobby Brown requests priv...e hospital

"It's now a matter of when the family wants to let go and accept that she's pretty much not going to make it," a source told Fox News. "[Doctors] have left it up to the family as to how long they want to keep her alive."

read more at link provided.

[Edited 2/4/15 20:41pm]

^^^ What does that mean--that she's brain dead? Not very good journalism.

see #Reply #67 posted 02/04/15 5:56am/someone agrees with my POV

: http://madamenoire.com/50...ion-watch/

February 5, 2015

Rosie Perez isn’t the only person under the impression that Lifetime’s Whitney biopic is what pushed Bobbi Kristina Brown over the edge. Hip hop manager Deb Antney, who has been referred to as a close family friend of the Houston and Brown families, is also leaning in that direction.

“I couldn’t even watch that movie. Would you not think that that would affect you? God forbid if something happened to your loved one. Do you think I’d want to sit and watch someone portray my son and they don’t really know the stories?” she asked Extra’s AJ Calloway. “If you would’ve said in my eyes, but you can’t say that that was the story. There were times when it was only them two [Whitney and Bobby]. How do you know what was going on behind those closed doors?”

Antney, who has a recurring role on VH1’s “Love & Hip Hop Atlanta,” went on to say that people should have taken Krissy’s feelings into consideration a lot more than they have.

“I wish that people would sit back and put yourself there for a second. How would you want to be treated? What would you want to go through? That baby has not stood a chance since she was conceived just about. She was talked about, ridiculed. All of the people who had all of the things to say about her, that’s a baby. She’s a 21-year-old baby and to have to constantly listen to things and still have to deal with the death of her mom. Every five minutes they’re posting something about her mom and never anything good.”

As so be expected, Deb says that Bobby is distraught.

“Everybody has a breaking point. That man is in so much pain it’s pathetic. No matter what anybody says about Bobby, he loves his children. He’s a wreck. Thankfully, he has a good wife who stands right there by him. He has a little support team there. But how would anybody be? That pain ain’t no joke.”

Despite the various Internet reports which have implied that all hope is gone for Bobbi Kristina’s recovery, Deb expressed that she’s hopeful that the aspiring singer and actress will pull through.

“She’s not gone. She’s still here. She’s a baby and she’s a fighter. She got that Brown blood in her. She’s got that Houston blood in her. She has two fighters. Her mom and dad—fighters. She blinked her eyes. She did that. There’s some levels that have stepped up. They went from 10 to 45, which is very good. She’s not out of danger, but it ain’t over with yet. Let’s leave the negative behind for once.”

yup, the biopic was ill timed and those who produced it were overlooking any sensitivity in regard to bobbi kristina as well as cissy houston (whitney's mother) imo.

Aunt Ottie bringing that real! I have missed you!

nextedition said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

That is a TOTAL lie! Whitney & Bobby always made sure Krissy was taken care of properly. Even going as far as, sending her for two years to live with Whitney's brother and sister in law. I will NOT let you ruin their reputations as parents.

Drug addiction is HEREDITARY!!!!!

I never know if you are trolling or not...if not, you´re seriously pathetic

Tragic that this young girl is probably going to die.

Sometimes life can be so cruel.

JoeyC said:

Tragic that this young girl is probably going to die.

Sometimes life can be so cruel.

I agree. Her life, it seems, has turned out to be pretty tragic. I'm pretty sad over it really because there is so much hate out there about the situation. I read comments on a news thread and couldn't believe the cruelty. She really lacked good role models and - just when you thought she'd rise above it all, this news just makes you sick to your stomach. I like to think that all children are the hope of their parents, that they will succeed and thrive in life, and have a life better than their mother and father. And yet with a life of excess, in the public spotlight, dealing with the media, maintaining a circus-like lifestyle... none of it promises health or happiness. In some ways, I am glad that Bobby Brown has a new wife and new family now. I sincerely wish him the best. But I also hope he's learned his lesson - cherishes the family he has left around him - and strives to be better than how he handled his relationship with Whitney and BK. It seems like he wants to just write it all of as being an innocent bystander. I would like to think that SOME good can come out of this. Right now, I am still scratching my head and wondering what it could possibly be.

scriptgirl said:

Aunt Ottie bringing that real! I have missed you!

Who you tellin! Ottie, you been gone too long, chile!

You sound like a very cool person!

Dalia11 said:

I hope she recovers quick. She is still young, under 25 years old. She needs her father and family around her. I do not know about the "crowd" she is around, I suspect most of them are negative. She is a Pisces. That sign is very sensitive, easily influenced, like to ignore reality, susceptible to alcohol, drug adnegativediction. Whitney was a Leo with Pisces Rising, Michael J. had his Moon, Rising in Pisces and so did Elvis. Her family has to make sure that she gets help, be around her and take care and nurture her. [Edited 2/3/15 18:06pm]

The Media reporting "rumors" left and right is making the situation worse. They are throwing out quotes from the family or close friends but they won't give the family members name..Nothing but Monkeys looking for bananas..

The only difference between this story and many, many tragic stories in America is that all of these people are famous. It is sad every single time. One of the truths of life is that "the apple does not fall far from the tree". Plenty of people in A.A. are also adult children of alcoholics. I don't think it is very different for other addicts.

Find an obese person who drowns their sorrows in food and take a look at their kids. Most likely they aren't athletes. It is never too late to change yourself; your children inherit a whole lot more from you then your height and profile.

imo, the spotlight of fame burns as much as it illuminates. god bless this poor girl, i really hope she makes it.

XxAxX said:

imo, the spotlight of fame burns as much as it illuminates. god bless this poor girl, i really hope she makes it.

This is true. A whole lot of folks are still under the mistaken impression that fame and fortune equals less problems when the opposite is probably true.

free2bfreeda said:

see #Reply #67 posted 02/04/15 5:56am/someone agrees with my POV

: http://madamenoire.com/50...ion-watch/

February 5, 2015

Rosie Perez isn’t the only person under the impression that Lifetime’s Whitney biopic is what pushed Bobbi Kristina Brown over the edge. Hip hop manager Deb Antney, who has been referred to as a close family friend of the Houston and Brown families, is also leaning in that direction.

“I couldn’t even watch that movie. Would you not think that that would affect you? God forbid if something happened to your loved one. Do you think I’d want to sit and watch someone portray my son and they don’t really know the stories?” she asked Extra’s AJ Calloway. “If you would’ve said in my eyes, but you can’t say that that was the story. There were times when it was only them two [Whitney and Bobby]. How do you know what was going on behind those closed doors?”

Antney, who has a recurring role on VH1’s “Love & Hip Hop Atlanta,” went on to say that people should have taken Krissy’s feelings into consideration a lot more than they have.

“I wish that people would sit back and put yourself there for a second. How would you want to be treated? What would you want to go through? That baby has not stood a chance since she was conceived just about. She was talked about, ridiculed. All of the people who had all of the things to say about her, that’s a baby. She’s a 21-year-old baby and to have to constantly listen to things and still have to deal with the death of her mom. Every five minutes they’re posting something about her mom and never anything good.”

As so be expected, Deb says that Bobby is distraught.

“Everybody has a breaking point. That man is in so much pain it’s pathetic. No matter what anybody says about Bobby, he loves his children. He’s a wreck. Thankfully, he has a good wife who stands right there by him. He has a little support team there. But how would anybody be? That pain ain’t no joke.”

Despite the various Internet reports which have implied that all hope is gone for Bobbi Kristina’s recovery, Deb expressed that she’s hopeful that the aspiring singer and actress will pull through.

“She’s not gone. She’s still here. She’s a baby and she’s a fighter. She got that Brown blood in her. She’s got that Houston blood in her. She has two fighters. Her mom and dad—fighters. She blinked her eyes. She did that. There’s some levels that have stepped up. They went from 10 to 45, which is very good. She’s not out of danger, but it ain’t over with yet. Let’s leave the negative behind for once.”

yup, the biopic was ill timed and those who produced it were overlooking any sensitivity in regard to bobbi kristina as well as cissy houston (whitney's mother) imo.

It really is sad how quickly the vultures of today are allowed to pounce on the departed and profit from their death. They don't even have the decency to wait a respectable amount of time anymore.

Of course we can't forget that dear Clive partied on downstairs that night even as his once biggest meal ticket lay lifeless in a tub upstairs. Evidently that's all she was to him.

The level of greed in society is sickening and is a key factor to a lot of the dysfunction that goes on.

the story gets even more sadder I saw this screaming headline on TMZ

BOBBI KRISTINA

FOUL PLAY CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION UNDERWAY

Boyfriend Targeted

There is an active criminal investigation underway in Georgia in the Bobbi Kristina case ... it centers on possible foul play and the target is her boyfriend ... TMZ has learned.

Law enforcement sources tell us ... Bobbi Kristina had certain injuries that have piqued their interest. We do not know the nature of the injuries. Multiple sources tell TMZ there is a history of violence between Bobbi Kristina and boyfriend Nick Gordon.

We're told police are looking into a possible altercation more than an hour before Bobbi Kristina wasfound submerged in a bathtub.

We're told Max Lomas -- the friend who discovered Bobbi Kristina in the tub -- arrived at around 9 AM last Saturday. He says he hung out with Nick but did not see Bobbi Kristina. He was told she was in the bedroom. Nick wandered away and Max says he didn't pay attention to his whereabouts.

The cable guy showed sometime after 10 AM and Max says he let him in -- Nick was nowhere to be seen. The cable guy said he needed access to the bedroom so Max let him in and discovered Bobbi Kristina in the tub. He screamed for Nick, who ran in and administered CPR.

We're told Max claims Nick allegedly cleaned up the home and removed blood stains.

Cops interviewed both Max and Nick and they want to debrief Max again, but our law enforcement sources say Max's lawyer insisted on immunity before he spoke again. We're told as of Friday morning Max hadn't gotten immunity or talked to cops.

Our sources say Nick Gordon has also lawyered up. We could not reach Nick for comment.

http://www.accesshollywood.com/bobbi-kristina-update-bobby-brown-speaks-out_video_2616837

dupicate

[Edited 2/9/15 7:26am]

SoulAlive said:

the story gets even more sadder I saw this screaming headline on TMZ

BOBBI KRISTINA

FOUL PLAY CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION UNDERWAY

Boyfriend Targeted

There is an active criminal investigation underway in Georgia in the Bobbi Kristina case ... it centers on possible foul play and the target is her boyfriend ... TMZ has learned.

Law enforcement sources tell us ... Bobbi Kristina had certain injuries that have piqued their interest. We do not know the nature of the injuries. Multiple sources tell TMZ there is a history of violence between Bobbi Kristina and boyfriend Nick Gordon.

We're told police are looking into a possible altercation more than an hour before Bobbi Kristina wasfound submerged in a bathtub.

We're told Max Lomas -- the friend who discovered Bobbi Kristina in the tub -- arrived at around 9 AM last Saturday. He says he hung out with Nick but did not see Bobbi Kristina. He was told she was in the bedroom. Nick wandered away and Max says he didn't pay attention to his whereabouts.

The cable guy showed sometime after 10 AM and Max says he let him in -- Nick was nowhere to be seen. The cable guy said he needed access to the bedroom so Max let him in and discovered Bobbi Kristina in the tub. He screamed for Nick, who ran in and administered CPR.

We're told Max claims Nick allegedly cleaned up the home and removed blood stains.

Cops interviewed both Max and Nick and they want to debrief Max again, but our law enforcement sources say Max's lawyer insisted on immunity before he spoke again. We're told as of Friday morning Max hadn't gotten immunity or talked to cops.

Our sources say Nick Gordon has also lawyered up. We could not reach Nick for comment.

I was wondering why Max was the one who found her in the bathroom. Seems to be strange for a friend of Nick's to be the one to find her in such an intimate room and position. Why would he even enter her private bathroom?. Something's rotten in the state of Denmark...