OldFriends4Sale said:

will they stop showing the Cosby Show? or is that only when someone is attached to child molestation?

Better or worst yet, will they stop showing Fat Albert & The Cosby Kids?

[Edited 11/18/14 23:18pm]

Chilling. Agree with Joetyler, this guy always came off a little creepy. Not when he was being America's favorite dad, but in articles and such..

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If these women were raped, I hope they get justice. Not enough information to join any sort of concrete 'side' here. But thirteen women? That's suspicious... things look bad for him, and I'm interested in seeing how this plays out.

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People who don't blindly believe the women are not 'victim-blaming'. They're not saying she asked for it or anything dumb like that. All people are saying is that there's no evidence yet and YES, there are plenty of people who LIE, especially against celebrities. Not saying these women are, but they certainly are capable of doing so just like any human being so the whole 'misogyny' thing needs to stop. This isn't the Salem Witch Trials where you take a person's word about the evilness of another. If we operated like that, Michael Jackson woulda been locked up back in the 90s.

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In the end, if Cosby is a rapist, it doesn't matter if he's 77 he should be locked for life. But I disagree that it's misogyny to disagree with a woman. Anyone can lie. And not everyone is a good person. So naturally strangers will be inclined to want to hear more + see evidence

Beautifulstarr123 said:

Omg . Now Janice Dickison is saying that Bill Cosby raped her in 1982 on Entertainment Tonight. This is gettting ugly.

CharismaDove said:

If these accusations are true, Bill is a massive serial rapist.

The ugly deception he used, the pemeditated use of drugs, the abusing of his celebrity to lure women, the using of his celebrity status, power and money to quiet it only makes this all so far worse. There are people serving long prison sentences for far less.

Beautifulstarr123 said:

Omg . Now Janice Dickison is saying that Bill Cosby raped her in 1982 on Entertainment Tonight. This is gettting ugly.

Im gonna say it, if this actually happened Janice would have been saying this when she was trying to extend her last reality star 15 minutes of fame. I find her very sketchy.

JustErin said:

Chancellor said:

The accuser, Barbara Bowman is much older today but she stil is drop Dead Gorgeous. That Lady has Movie-Star looks....The part that is kind of confusing is that she says she "thinks" he drugged and raped her decades ago in NYC, then she decided to go another date and he man-handled her that particular time....I mean, why go back for more of the same? I get that she was "networking" cuz we all do it, but I'm gonna wait and see what Bill has to say...Barbara has a right to tell her story but she lacks credibility if she never went to the authorites decades ago...She even talked about how Bill became "America's Dad" and she kept her mouth shut....It sorta sounds like she got angrier & angrier as Bill became more successful....Did something really happen or was she just a young actress that got Dumped hard by an A-lister?

This post is infuriating to me. I am so sick and tired of seeing this kind of bullshit again and again and again.

When cases such as this comes to light...when a pattern of sexually assaulted has been alleged the same talking points always appear: Attack, blame the victim, dismissiveness, and finally, question the motives of the victim.

It doesn't matter if the victim is an adult, a child, female, male, or a teenager. Victims of sexual assault all have something in common; many never come forward because they think they won't be believed. The relationship between the victim and the attacker are seldom on the same level, socially, economically and/or physically. As I've said here before, class, gender and race always plays a role on who gets punished and those who aren't touched.

People in authority who possess clout, celebrity, money, power, and prestige are often given the benifit of the doubt. Is it because you think we know these people? Less be clear, rape is a crime of violence; carried out by men who loath woman. When Mr. Cosby settled out of court in 2006, nine woman came forward and claimed they had been violated in the same manner. So, did these woman meet up at Starbucks and plan how they were going to get some money out of a wealth man? They would have been better served if they had gotten "knocked up".

Pathetic.

TD3 said:

JustErin said:

Chancellor said: This post is infuriating to me. I am so sick and tired of seeing this kind of bullshit again and again and again.

When cases such as this comes to light...when a pattern of sexually assaulted has been alleged the same talking points always appear: Attack, blame the victim, dismissiveness, and finally, question the motives of the victim.

It doesn't matter if the victim is an adult, a child, female, male, or a teenager. Victims of sexual assault all have something in common; many never come forward because they think they won't be believed. The relationship between the victim and the attacker are seldom on the same level, socially, economically and/or physically. As I've said here before, class, gender and race always plays a role on who gets punished and those who aren't touched.

People in authority who possess clout, celebrity, money, power, and prestige are often given the benifit of the doubt. Is it because you think we know these people? Less be clear, rape is a crime of violence; carried out by men who loath woman. When Mr. Cosby settled out of court in 2006, nine woman came forward and claimed they had been violated in the same manner. So, did these woman meet up at Starbucks and plan how they were going to get some money out of a wealth man? They would have been better served if they had gotten "knocked up".

Pathetic.

Probably spot on but Janice Dickson can take several seats.

lazycrockett said:

Beautifulstarr123 said:

Omg . Now Janice Dickison is saying that Bill Cosby raped her in 1982 on Entertainment Tonight. This is gettting ugly.

Im gonna say it, if this actually happened Janice would have been saying this when she was trying to extend her last reality star 15 minutes of fame. I find her very sketchy.

IDK who she is but found this...

Model-TV host Dickinson accuses Cosby of assault

By DAVID BAUDER
AP Television Writer

NEW YORK (AP) - Model and TV host Janice Dickinson added her name to the women who have accused comic Bill Cosby of sexual assault.

In an "Entertainment Tonight" interview that aired Tuesday, Dickinson said that the 1982 incident occurred in Lake Tahoe, California, where he was appearing.

She told the TV newsmagazine that she wrote about the assault in her 2002 autobiography, "No Lifeguard on Duty: The Accidental Life of the World's First Supermodel," but that Cosby and his lawyers pressured her and the publisher to remove the details.

A call to Cosby's publicist seeking comment was not immediately returned.

In the interview, Dickinson said she met Cosby in Lake Tahoe at his urging after he said that he would help her with her singing career. They had met earlier when her agent had introduced them, hoping that she could get a job on "The Cosby Show."

Dickinson said that after dinner, she and Cosby were in her hotel room and that he gave her some red wine and a pill. She told "Entertainment Tonight" she had asked for a pill because she had been suffering stomach pains.

"The next morning I woke up and I wasn't wearing my pajamas and I remembered before I passed out I had been sexually assaulted by this man," she said. She said she remembered Cosby dropping the robe he had been wearing and getting on top of her.

She said she never confronted Cosby about the incident.

"I'm doing this because it's the right thing to do and this happened to me and this is a true story," she said.

In the memoir, Dickinson described stopping at his hotel room door when he invited her in after dinner. She declined, claiming exhaustion.

"After all I've done for you, that's what I get?" Dickinson quoted Cosby as saying. He then "gave me the dirtiest, meanest look in the world, stepped into his suite, and slammed the door in my face," she wrote.

Cosby, 77, who was never criminally charged in any case, settled a civil suit in 2006 with another woman over an alleged incident two years before.

Attention to the legendary entertainer's past flared suddenly in recent weeks after another comic, Hannibal Buress, called Cosby a "rapist" during a Philadelphia performance. Two other women have emerged as accusers, including Barbara Bowman, who wrote an online Washington Post piece.

Cosby has remained silent, and his attorney, John P. Schmitt, issued a statement Sunday saying his client would not dignify "decade-old, discredited" claims of sexual abuse with a response. Schmitt later exempted the 2006 civil case from the blanket statement.

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AP Television Writer Lynn Elber in Los Angeles contributed to this report.

[Edited 11/18/14 21:01pm]

daingermouz2020 said:

Beautifulstarr123 said:

Omg . Now Janice Dickison is saying that Bill Cosby raped her in 1982 on Entertainment Tonight. This is gettting ugly.

You've Got to be Kidding!

Read it and weep!:

https://celebrity.yahoo.com/news/exclusive-janice-dickinson-details-bill-223700892.html

With rape allegations against Bill Cosby mounting, supermodel Janice Dickinson tells ET in a new interview that the comedian sexually assaulted her in 1982.

Dickinson, now 59, recalls first meeting Cosby, now 77, when her agent set up a meeting with him to hire her for a role on The Cosby Show. After they had dinner, she says their next conversation was when he called her out of the blue while she was in rehab for drugs and alcohol. Following her stay in rehab, Dickinson says Cosby reached out to her during a trip to Bali and had her travel to Lake Tahoe, because he was performing there and wanted to offer her the job they had discussed as well as help her with a singing career.

Dickinson says they had dinner in Lake Tahoe, and claims that he gave her a glass of red wine and a pill, which she asked for because she was menstruating and had stomach pains.

VIDEO: Alleged Bill Cosby...eaks to ET

And that's when she tells ET that things took a disturbing turn.

"The next morning I woke up, and I wasn't wearing my pajamas, and I remember before I passed out that I had been sexually assaulted by this man," she tells ET. "... Before I woke up in the morning, the last thing I remember was Bill Cosby in a patchwork robe, dropping his robe and getting on top of me. And I remember a lot of pain. The next morning I remember waking up with my pajamas off and there was semen in between my legs."

Dickinson also says she tried to write about the assault in her 2002 autobiography No Lifeguard on Duty: The Accidental Life of the World's First Supermodel, but claims that when she submitted a draft with her full story to HarperCollins, Cosby and his lawyers pressured her and the publisher to remove the details.

"I'm doing this because it's the right thing to do, and it happened to me, and this is the true story," she says about coming out with her story now. "I believe all the other women."

Dickinson says that keeping the alleged sexual assault a secret for 32 years drove her to a life of hurting herself.

"Stuffing feelings of rape and my unresolved issued with this incident has drove me into a life of trying to hurt myself because I didn't have counsel and I was afraid," she says. "I was afraid of the consequences. I was afraid of being labeled a whore or a slut and trying to sleep my way to the top of a career that never took place."

But now Dickinson, who says she never confronted Cosby after the alleged incident, doesn't mince words when it comes to what she would say to him now.

"How dare you," she says. "Go f*ck yourself. How dare you take advantage of me. And I hope you rot."

Dickinson is the third woman to come forward with a sexual assault accusation against Cosby, after a renewed interest in the allegations began when comedian Hannibal Buress called Cosby a "rapist" during an October comedy show in Philadelphia.

On Monday, ET spoke to former publicist Joan Tarshis who says that the legendary comedian assaulted her on two occasions in 1969. She also echoed Dickinson's statements about why she stayed silent for so long.

"I want to talk about this now and I want to really support the other women who have gone through this," she told ET. "Now with people coming out..., it's being handled differently."

Tarshis is referring to another of Cosby's accusers, Barbara Bowman, who wrote an op-ed piece in the Washington Post earlier this month detailing the alleged assault she says she fell victim to in 1985 when she was a 17-year-old aspiring actress.

"In one case, I blacked out after having dinner and one glass of wine at his New York City brownstone, where he had offered to mentor me and discuss the entertainment industry," she wrote. "When I came to, I was in my panties and a man's t-shirt, and Cosby was looming over me. I’m certain now that he drugged and raped me. But as a teenager, I tried to convince myself I had imagined it."

Bowman said that she was one of the alleged victims asked to testify when a woman named Andrea Constand filed a suit against Cosby in 2004. The case was eventually settled out of court.

VIDEO: Bill Cosby's Joke ...esurfaces

Cosby's lawyer, John P. Schmitt, issued a statement on Sunday in response to the sexual assault allegations after Cosby's initial response of just silence during an NPR interview Saturday.

"Over the last several weeks, decade-old, discredited allegations against Mr. Cosby have resurfaced. The fact they are being repeated does not make them true," the statement reads. "Mr. Cosby does not intend to dignify these allegations with any comment. He would like to thank all his fans for the outpouring of support and assure them that, at age 77, he is doing his best work. There will be no further statement from Mr. Cosby or any of his representatives."

lazycrockett said:

So now we have Accuser 15..Another wine/pill claim...These are Rape claims, if I were in his shoes I'd be too scared to be Silent...He still has the power to take Control over the narrative....Looks the Ladies have been talking and one will come forward every day...

if any of you believe that bill cosby need to rape women to get off sexually, then you are not too bright.

jackson35 said:

if any of you believe that bill cosby need to rape women to get off sexually, then you are not too bright.

phunkdaddy said:

TD3 said:

When cases such as this comes to light...when a pattern of sexually assaulted has been alleged the same talking points always appear: Attack, blame the victim, dismissiveness, and finally, question the motives of the victim.

It doesn't matter if the victim is an adult, a child, female, male, or a teenager. Victims of sexual assault all have something in common; many never come forward because they think they won't be believed. The relationship between the victim and the attacker are seldom on the same level, socially, economically and/or physically. As I've said here before, class, gender and race always plays a role on who gets punished and those who aren't touched.

People in authority who possess clout, celebrity, money, power, and prestige are often given the benifit of the doubt. Is it because we think we know these people? Less be clear, rape is a crime of violence; carried out by men who loathe woman. When Mr. Cosby settled out of court in 2006, nine woman came forward and claimed they had been violated in the same manner. So, did these woman meet up at Starbucks and plan how they were going to get some money out of a wealthy man? They would have been better served if they had gotten "knocked up".

Pathetic.

Probably spot on but Janice Dickson can take several seats.

I wasn't speaking to Ms. Dickson statments, my response was to the point of view in this post. I'm speaking about the woman who have come forward again to accuse Mr. Cosby of rape. Of drugging them and raping them. I'm speaking about the woman who aren't in the public eye, who are unknown.

It seems more and more we equate fame and money as some type of barometor of legitimacy. If someone accuses someone who's wealthy and/or famous of wrong doing --- in this case of rape-- they must be motivated by money. People who lack fame and wealth are illiget. Ms. Bowman, the beautiful Ms . Bowman has been stewing for more then a decade about a life she never had or wasn't able to achieve. This would be laughable if it weren't so pathetic.

If I have time I'll post the links of the Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests, better known as SNAP. Read the accounts of how Catholic Priest were able to rape children and teenagers for years. Read how the viticms explained why they didn't tell and why the sexual abuse continued after the first encounter. Read how these men and women thought they were to blame or it was their fault when Priest continued to rape them. Read the tools and the manipulative tricks these men used to carry out their attacks and find new victims. Ms. Bowman story is pausible because its constistent with how sexual predators operate.

Another thing...

Who thinks its OK for a 50 plus year old (then) man having sexual relations with 17 year old child under any circumstances? Who?! If you do, I'd say you are 'bout a lowdown sick______. What about boundaries? No 17 year old child has the tools or life experiences to deal with a 50 pluse year old adult. Good fuckin' grief.

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TeeeeHaaaaHoooo said:

How Many Rape Reports Are False?

590 SEPT 19, 2014 3:15 PM EDT

By Megan McArdle

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How many women falsely accuse men of rape?

A lot of statistics are floating around the Internet: Two percent, say many feminists, the same as other crimes. Twenty-five percent, say other groups who quarrel with the feminists on many issues, or maybe 40 percent. Here’s the real answer: We don’t know. Anyone who insists that we do know should be corrected or ignored.

The number of false accusations is what statisticians call a “dark number” -- that is, there is a true number, but it is unknown, and perhaps unknowable. For a deep dive into the reasons it’s so hard to know, I commend you to Cathy Young’s new piece at Slate, in which she details all the problems that confound investigations into false rape accusations.

Here’s what we do know: The 2 percent number is very bad and should never be cited. It apparently traces its lineage back to Susan Brownmiller’s legendary "Against Our Will," and her citation for this figure is a single speech by an appellate judge before a small group of lawyers. His source for this statistic was a single area of New York that started having policewomen conduct all rape interviews. This is not data. It is an anecdote about an anecdote.

The 41 percent number beloved of men’s-rights activists is better; it involves a peer-reviewed study by Eugene Kanin of a police department in some unknown small city. False reports could only be declared if the victim herself withdrew the charge. However. We’re talking about one city, in which 109 rapes were examined over a period of nine years. As feminists point out, victims might have withdrawn the charges simply because they found it too traumatic to engage with the police department, not because the accusation was false1 . And the study itself is now pretty elderly. A lot has changed in 20 years, including, possibly, the number of false rape accusations in this city and the rest of the nation. This number should be used only with grave caution.

But so should any other numbers, such as the 8 percent figure that is commonly attributed to the FBI. When you dig into the research itself, you find it is often heavily inflected with the authors' prior beliefs about what constitutes the “real problem”: unreported cases of rape or false reports? So Kanin is frequently chided for accepting the results of a police department investigation that included offering the victims a polygraph, because this is intimidating for true victims as well as women making false reports, and it could raise the incidence of false negatives. On the other hand, if the rate of false rape reports is quite high -- much higher than that of other crimes -- then this might be a reasonable precaution. It’s possible that by encouraging police departments not to polygraph rape victims, we have fixed a cruel system in which innocent victims are bullied into recanting. It’s also possible that we’ve increased the number of false accusations that proceed to investigation and conviction.

Shorter: You cannot treat “percentage of reports that were found to be false by investigators” as “percentage of reports that were actually false.” Some women may simply have recanted to disengage from the system. Some police officers may decide a case was false when it wasn’t. On the other hand, we also know that false accusations can make their way through the system pretty far -- witness the Duke lacrosse players and Brian Banks.

What we know is that we don’t know. We should not presume that every rape victim is telling the truth because it would make it easier for victims to come forward. Nor should we presume that every rape accusation has a 50 percent chance of being false. We should look at the facts in each case and judge them with the knowledge that some women do lie about rape -- for revenge, to cover up some problem in their own lives, to get attention and sympathy from others. And also with the knowledge that men lie, too, violating their victims a second time in order to cover up their crimes. And that while men have gone to jail for rapes they did not commit, many other men have avoided the jail time they deserved for terrible crimes against women.

That’s not a very satisfying answer, because rape is inherently a hard crime to prosecute. If someone comes into a police station with their face bashed in, you can be pretty much certain that unless they’re a professional boxer, a crime has occurred. If a rape kit shows evidence of sexual intercourse, however, all that tells you is that … something happened. Because this is something that a lot of people do to each other voluntarily, you cannot proceed immediately to the arrest. Usually there are only two witnesses, telling different stories. Often drugs or alcohol were involved, and intoxicated people make lousy witnesses.

We don’t want that to be true. Rape is an especially heinous crime, and heinously unfair -- it is mostly something that stronger men do to weaker women. How can we pile on an extra dose of unfairness -- by failing to prosecute so many of the crimes?

Feminists would like to rectify that unfairness by treating rape accusations as presumptively true, making it easier for victims to come forward. That’s understandable. But there’s a risk that this makes it easier for false accusations to get through the system, resulting in destroyed lives for men such as Brian Banks. Men’s-rights activists would like to make it harder for innocent men to get caught in a web of lies, so they want rape accusations to be interrogated with deep suspicion. But treating rape victims as possible or likely liars may make it harder for them to go forward, leaving rapists free to stalk their next victim.

No one wants to openly advocate for a hard choice that will end in injustice for someone. So instead we get the war of bad statistics, with each side claiming certainty when all we really have are dark crimes and dark numbers.

1 Though to be fair, Kalin, the author of the study, goes into some detail about the nature of the recantations, and they’re both pretty specific and pretty plausible -- i.e., “my husband is overseas and I’m afraid I’m pregnant.” They mostly occurred a couple of days after the report, not after extended contact with “the system.”

(sourcec)

I did not see anything in that article that actually disputed the statistic that 2% of rape and sexual charges have been deemed false.

TD3 said:

JustErin said:

Chancellor said: This post is infuriating to me. I am so sick and tired of seeing this kind of bullshit again and again and again.

When cases such as this comes to light...when a pattern of sexually assaulted has been alleged the same talking points always appear: Attack, blame the victim, dismissiveness, and finally, question the motives of the victim.

It doesn't matter if the victim is an adult, a child, female, male, or a teenager. Victims of sexual assault all have something in common; many never come forward because they think they won't be believed. The relationship between the victim and the attacker are seldom on the same level, socially, economically and/or physically. As I've said here before, class, gender and race always plays a role on who gets punished and those who aren't touched.

People in authority who possess clout, celebrity, money, power, and prestige are often given the benifit of the doubt. Is it because you think we know these people? Less be clear, rape is a crime of violence; carried out by men who loath woman. When Mr. Cosby settled out of court in 2006, nine woman came forward and claimed they had been violated in the same manner. So, did these woman meet up at Starbucks and plan how they were going to get some money out of a wealth man? They would have been better served if they had gotten "knocked up".

Pathetic.

Pathetic isn't even a strong enough word to describe.

No one here claimed that no woman has ever lied about rape, or that all women should automatically be believed no matter what, or even that this woman is lying or not. It's about how alleged victims of sexual assault are immediately accused of being everything BUT a victim of sexual abuse.

People keep crying "he's innocent until proven guilty", yet those same people have already made up their mind that an accuser is lying, has an ulterior motive. And at the end of the day the person who really has their lives "ruined" is the victim - no matter what the outcome is. It's amazing how so many people honestly think that women are just so willing to risk everything to take down someone that is well known. Cuz, you know, they just want fame and/or money.

If people are not willing to at least educate themselves on the mental impact sexual violence has on a victim, they really do not deserve to participate in the discussion.

phunkdaddy said:

lazycrockett said:

Im gonna say it, if this actually happened Janice would have been saying this when she was trying to extend her last reality star 15 minutes of fame. I find her very sketchy.

Exactly. And you could see her stumbling and bumbling through the interview. She was such an ass on her reality show too.

Janice on the Howard Stern Show in 2006: https://soundcloud.com/ho...by-in-2006

Without knowing all the facts, I don't like to go along with either side. Too easy to demonize the accusers or the accused. I WILL say though, that recent events in my life have led me to not jump to conclusions about this type of thing.

One of my best friends, a person I've known for almost 30 years, was recently arrested for covertly taking sexual pictures of his teenaged step-daughter and her friends without their knowledge. When word of this reached me, I was devastated. I couldn't believe this person, whom I've shared so much with over the years, had this dark, twisted side. I knew he himself was a survivor of perpetual sexual abuse by a family member for years...our experiences with this common element were one of the things we bonded over. This is why I was just so incredibly bowled over when I got the news. I wanted to believe it wasn't true, but the evidence is iron-clad. It's easy to say someone doesn't fit your vision of a sex predator, so therefore they couldn't be, but I assure you this isn't the case. NO ONE who knows my friend reacted with "oh yeah, I could totally see that". Instead, the reactions have been, uniformally, ones of shock and disbelief.

I know it's easy to dismiss the allegations because Cosby was a man who made us laugh. For people of my generation, he hosted "Fat Albert" and taught us life lessons in-between the commercial breaks. His stand-up cracked us up, and he was the ultra-friendly, seemingly perfect American Father Figure who visited us every Thursday. How could this man be a deviant? A rapist? Is it even possible that he is capable of such a vile act? Unfortunately, yes...it is entirely possible.

I'm not saying he is guilty. He is a celebrity, and they are often the target of extortion schemes or campains from opportunists seeking their 15 minutes of fame. I'll give you all of that. At the same time, it is just as likely that Mr. Cosby has a dark, sick perversion that we've never seen in his public persona. Oftentimes, the most dangerous individuals in the world are able to hide their sociopathic tendencies and blend in with society. Ted Bundy, Dennis Rader and HH Holmes, just to name a few, were respected individuals that friends and family never suspected of their horrible double-lives.

My point with this is, have an open mind for both sides of the story. Don't automatically decide Cosby is innocent because of your pre-conceived notions of him, and don't engage in assuming that the accusers all have ulterior motives. Likewise, don't have the knee-jerk reaction that the man is guilty just because he is accused. There is obviously more to this story than we know, and it all will come to light in time.

I don't doubt the original woman, and I have no feeling towards Cosby one way or the other. I just have issues with Janice cause she has celebrity self esteem issues. She seems like a celebrity ambulance chaser.

lazycrockett said:

automatic said:

nbc just dropped his planned sitcom

automatic said:

phunkdaddy said:

lazycrockett said: Exactly. And you could see her stumbling and bumbling through the interview. She was such an ass on her reality show too.

Janice on the Howard Stern Show in 2006: https://soundcloud.com/ho...by-in-2006

and there it is

janice is a fruitcake, no doubt... but that's no reason to dismiss what she's saying completely

Interview Cosby did a few years ago wuth Sofia Vergara.

http://www.vocativ.com/culture/tvmovies/cosby-rape-sofia-vergara/

[Edited 11/19/14 12:57pm]