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TonyVanDam said:
You said he was boule, as if it explains these allegations. What is the heterosexual equivalent of boule? “It means finding the very human narrative of a man navigating between idealism and pragmatism, faith and politics, non- violence, the pitfalls of acclaim as the perils of rejection” - Lesley Hazleton on the first Muslim, the prophet. | |
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Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise. | |
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babynoz said:
My bad, i thought it was. What is it? “It means finding the very human narrative of a man navigating between idealism and pragmatism, faith and politics, non- violence, the pitfalls of acclaim as the perils of rejection” - Lesley Hazleton on the first Muslim, the prophet. | |
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Just did a quick read, it's a fancy conspiracy term for your garden variety IMF approved and corporate friendly "black bourgeoisie "- I think they call themselves "The new blacks" now
. [Edited 11/16/14 20:23pm] “It means finding the very human narrative of a man navigating between idealism and pragmatism, faith and politics, non- violence, the pitfalls of acclaim as the perils of rejection” - Lesley Hazleton on the first Muslim, the prophet. | |
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[Edited 11/16/14 20:22pm] | |
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Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise. | |
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like mlk i am KING BAD!!!
you are NOT... 
STOP ME IF YOU HEARD THIS BEFORE... | |
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The accuser, Barbara Bowman is much older today but she stil is drop Dead Gorgeous. That Lady has Movie-Star looks....The part that is kind of confusing is that she says she "thinks" he drugged and raped her decades ago in NYC, then she decided to go another date and he man-handled her that particular time....I mean, why go back for more of the same? I get that she was "networking" cuz we all do it, but I'm gonna wait and see what Bill has to say...Barbara has a right to tell her story but she lacks credibility if she never went to the authorites decades ago...She even talked about how Bill became "America's Dad" and she kept her mouth shut....It sorta sounds like she got angrier & angrier as Bill became more successful....Did something really happen or was she just a young actress that got Dumped hard by an A-lister? | |
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babynoz said:
Actually, I thought Bill was pissed when Lisa did the movie "Angel Heart" of which she had some sexual scenes in it. She was pretty controversial, bsck in the day, I remembered. [Edited 11/17/14 3:47am] | |
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Ouch another accuser coming forward. Not good. I thought he was great on Captain Kangaroo. What are you outraged about today? CNN has not told you yet? | |
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Chris Brown was a big Cosby Show fan. All you others say Hell Yea!!  | |
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Her story is swiss cheese--full of holes. Gloria Allred even passed on representing her. And that's why she never went to the police. She might have had to tell them the whole truth. From the age of 17 to 19, she was pimped out by her mother and her agent to rich, married men. Took acting classes and lived in a NYC apartment paid for by one particular rich, married man. While under the legal drinking age, regularly consumed alcohol (and who knows what else) during frequent late-night "mentoring" sessions at rich, married man's home and hotel rooms across the country. When it became apparent that getting "mentored" on the regular wasn't going to advance the acting career she was "meant to have", she went apeshit and caused a scene at the hotel. Girl, bye! Ain't nobody got time for a hooker that can't hold their liquor or maintain discretion! Decades of bitterness of a failed acting career has turned into "I was drugged and raped (i think) for two years" and "thrown out of New York". How the hell does one get thrown out of New York??? I don't know if she was raped or not or if Cosby is a serial rapist or not. I do know that her story is good on a ham sandwich with romaine, heirloom tomato, and a little country dijon Grey Poupon. [Edited 11/17/14 11:20am] | |
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Maybe.............but dude had 13 different accusers. FOOLS multiply when WISE Men & Women are silent. | |
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And Beyonce has 17 Grammys. | |
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girl trying to get paid. | |
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kinda like mj impropriety against one can be looked past kinda like catchin a murder charge. one, maybe you didn't do it. two, you may just be unlucky three or more. you basically a serial killer. you may not have killed er'body, BUT you did somethin i am KING BAD!!!
you are NOT...
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Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise. | |
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Chancellor said: The accuser, Barbara Bowman is much older today but she stil is drop Dead Gorgeous. That Lady has Movie-Star looks....The part that is kind of confusing is that she says she "thinks" he drugged and raped her decades ago in NYC, then she decided to go another date and he man-handled her that particular time....I mean, why go back for more of the same? I get that she was "networking" cuz we all do it, but I'm gonna wait and see what Bill has to say...Barbara has a right to tell her story but she lacks credibility if she never went to the authorites decades ago...She even talked about how Bill became "America's Dad" and she kept her mouth shut....It sorta sounds like she got angrier & angrier as Bill became more successful....Did something really happen or was she just a young actress that got Dumped hard by an A-lister? This post is infuriating to me. I am so sick and tired of seeing this kind of bullshit again and again and again. | |
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..LOL...You broke it all the way down...I havent read-up on Barbara's back-story but at this point Bill needs to break his silence and defend himself IF he can...Now we have "Accuser 14" claiming @ 19 Mr. Cosby drugged her and forced her to give him Oral sex..We call this the "trickle effect"...Bill has the best Lawyers/Advisors money can buy and I wonder if he was advised to pay all these women off a long time ago? | |
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he always gave me the creeps  | |
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Some of you really need to educate yourselves about rape and sexual violence. | |
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I agree.
Rape and sexual violence needs 2 be exposed no matter how long it takes. [Edited 11/18/14 7:35am] FOOLS multiply when WISE Men & Women are silent. | |
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"Myths about false accusation Myths: “Lots of women cry rape when they regret sex.” “Women accuse celebrities and athletes of rape all the time for money and attention.” “The definition of ‘rape’ is so loose these days – women can claim anything is rape and get away with it.” “They didn’t have enough evidence to prosecute, so she was probably lying.” “If she was really raped she would have called the police.” Only about 2% of all rape and related sex charges are determined to be false, the same percentage as for other felonies (FBI). So while they do happen, and they are very problematic when they do, people claim that allegations are false far more frequently than they are and far more frequently than for other crimes. Put another way, we are much more likely to disbelieve a woman if she says she was raped than if she says she was robbed, but for no good reason. On a related note, only about 40% of rapes are ever reported to the police, and this is partly because victims know that if their claim becomes public, their every behavior will be scrutinized, they will be shamed for their sexual history, and they will be labeled as lunatic, psychotic, paranoid, and manipulative. Just because someone does not report their crime does not mean it did not happen. Furthermore, only one in two claims lead to prosecution, so if the DA decides not to prosecute, that says nothing about whether or not it happened. (http://www.rainn.org/get-information/statistics/reporting-rates)" | |
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will they stop showing the Cosby Show? or is that only when someone is attached to child molestation? | |
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Unless he is convicted, advertisers drop off or admits 2 it............probably not. [Edited 11/18/14 9:19am] FOOLS multiply when WISE Men & Women are silent. | |
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How many women falsely accuse men of rape?
A lot of statistics are floating around the Internet: Two percent, say many feminists, the same as other crimes. Twenty-five percent, say other groups who quarrel with the feminists on many issues, or maybe 40 percent. Here’s the real answer: We don’t know. Anyone who insists that we do know should be corrected or ignored.
The number of false accusations is what statisticians call a “dark number” -- that is, there is a true number, but it is unknown, and perhaps unknowable. For a deep dive into the reasons it’s so hard to know, I commend you to Cathy Young’s new piece at Slate, in which she details all the problems that confound investigations into false rape accusations. Here’s what we do know: The 2 percent number is very bad and should never be cited. It apparently traces its lineage back to Susan Brownmiller’s legendary "Against Our Will," and her citation for this figure is a single speech by an appellate judge before a small group of lawyers. His source for this statistic was a single area of New York that started having policewomen conduct all rape interviews. This is not data. It is an anecdote about an anecdote. The 41 percent number beloved of men’s-rights activists is better; it involves a peer-reviewed study by Eugene Kanin of a police department in some unknown small city. False reports could only be declared if the victim herself withdrew the charge. However. We’re talking about one city, in which 109 rapes were examined over a period of nine years. As feminists point out, victims might have withdrawn the charges simply because they found it too traumatic to engage with the police department, not because the accusation was false1 . And the study itself is now pretty elderly. A lot has changed in 20 years, including, possibly, the number of false rape accusations in this city and the rest of the nation. This number should be used only with grave caution. But so should any other numbers, such as the 8 percent figure that is commonly attributed to the FBI. When you dig into the research itself, you find it is often heavily inflected with the authors' prior beliefs about what constitutes the “real problem”: unreported cases of rape or false reports? So Kanin is frequently chided for accepting the results of a police department investigation that included offering the victims a polygraph, because this is intimidating for true victims as well as women making false reports, and it could raise the incidence of false negatives. On the other hand, if the rate of false rape reports is quite high -- much higher than that of other crimes -- then this might be a reasonable precaution. It’s possible that by encouraging police departments not to polygraph rape victims, we have fixed a cruel system in which innocent victims are bullied into recanting. It’s also possible that we’ve increased the number of false accusations that proceed to investigation and conviction. Shorter: You cannot treat “percentage of reports that were found to be false by investigators” as “percentage of reports that were actually false.” Some women may simply have recanted to disengage from the system. Some police officers may decide a case was false when it wasn’t. On the other hand, we also know that false accusations can make their way through the system pretty far -- witness the Duke lacrosse players and Brian Banks. What we know is that we don’t know. We should not presume that every rape victim is telling the truth because it would make it easier for victims to come forward. Nor should we presume that every rape accusation has a 50 percent chance of being false. We should look at the facts in each case and judge them with the knowledge that some women do lie about rape -- for revenge, to cover up some problem in their own lives, to get attention and sympathy from others. And also with the knowledge that men lie, too, violating their victims a second time in order to cover up their crimes. And that while men have gone to jail for rapes they did not commit, many other men have avoided the jail time they deserved for terrible crimes against women. That’s not a very satisfying answer, because rape is inherently a hard crime to prosecute. If someone comes into a police station with their face bashed in, you can be pretty much certain that unless they’re a professional boxer, a crime has occurred. If a rape kit shows evidence of sexual intercourse, however, all that tells you is that … something happened. Because this is something that a lot of people do to each other voluntarily, you cannot proceed immediately to the arrest. Usually there are only two witnesses, telling different stories. Often drugs or alcohol were involved, and intoxicated people make lousy witnesses. We don’t want that to be true. Rape is an especially heinous crime, and heinously unfair -- it is mostly something that stronger men do to weaker women. How can we pile on an extra dose of unfairness -- by failing to prosecute so many of the crimes? Feminists would like to rectify that unfairness by treating rape accusations as presumptively true, making it easier for victims to come forward. That’s understandable. But there’s a risk that this makes it easier for false accusations to get through the system, resulting in destroyed lives for men such as Brian Banks. Men’s-rights activists would like to make it harder for innocent men to get caught in a web of lies, so they want rape accusations to be interrogated with deep suspicion. But treating rape victims as possible or likely liars may make it harder for them to go forward, leaving rapists free to stalk their next victim. No one wants to openly advocate for a hard choice that will end in injustice for someone. So instead we get the war of bad statistics, with each side claiming certainty when all we really have are dark crimes and dark numbers.
1 Though to be fair, Kalin, the author of the study, goes into some detail about the nature of the recantations, and they’re both pretty specific and pretty plausible -- i.e., “my husband is overseas and I’m afraid I’m pregnant.” They mostly occurred a couple of days after the report, not after extended contact with “the system.”
(source:http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2014-09-19/how-many-rape-reports-are-false) | |
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http://www.msn.com/en-us/...ar-BBejeDi
Whoopi Goldberg Skeptical of Bill Cosby Accuser: ‘Don't You Do a Kit’ After Getting Raped?
ABC's "The View" spent a significant portion of Monday's episode discussing the resurfacing of rape allegations against comedian Bill Cosby, but Whoopi Goldberg refused to pass early judgment. Instead, the host expressed doubts over actress Barbara Bowman's accusations and suggested she might come onto the program to answer a few questions directly. "Quiet honestly, look, I'm sorry, having been on both sides of this where people allege that you do something -- it doesn't matter now. The cat is out of the bag, people have it in their head," Goldberg said. "I have a lot of questions for the lady, maybe she'll come on." Goldberg's co-hosts quickly pointed out that she had answered questions with other outlets. In addition to describing the sexual assault in a recent Washington Post op-ed, Bowman explained her case Monday morning on the ABC's "Good Morning America." "I had one glass of wine and the next thing I knew, I was coming to slumped over the toilet," Bowman explained on "GMA," in a clip played on "The View." "Who's going to believe that? Bill Cosby? Doctor Huxtable?" "Perhaps the police might have believed it," Goldberg responded. "Or the hospital. Don't you do a kit when you say someone has raped you?" "But there was a settlement," co-host Rosie O'Donnell explained. "So that's the thing that's curious." Goldberg pointed out a settlement is no indication of guilt. "I can speak to settlements. Settlements don't necessarily mean you're guilty," she explained. "You generally settle because you don't want to put your family through it again, you don't want to keep going through it again and again and again," Goldberg continued. "I hope there is justice for this lady, I hope somebody gets to the bottom of this, but I'm going to reserve my judgments because I have a lot of questions."
"It's very awkward," O'Donnell said. "Isn't it awkward?" "It's more than awkward, it's a tragedy," co-host Nicolle Wallace responded. "Either 13 women were raped by someone too powerful to face the criminal justice system or an innocent man is being falsely accused. This is either a tragedy or a tragedy." As TheWrap previously reported, Cosby had a "Late Night" appearance scheduled for Wednesday, but it was canceled amid resurfaced allegations. The actor has denied Bowman's story, as well as similar accusations leveled by other women. "You have to really take a minute and follow the evidence -- follow what happened," Goldberg said. "We'll know when we know. That's what I know." | |
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"We love the concept of hypocrisy, whether it's true or not," says Dezenhall, who recently published the book "Glass Jaw — A Manifesto for Defending Fragile Reputations in an Age of Instant Scandal." ''We love learning that somebody in reality may be the opposite of what they seem. ... The squeakier-clean your reputation, the more the public embraces these stories."
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Bill joking about Spanish Fly.
http://www.mediaite.com/online/listen-to-bill-cosbys-1969-stand-up-bit-about-drugging-womens-drinks/ [Edited 11/18/14 12:51pm] FOOLS multiply when WISE Men & Women are silent. | |
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