SeventeenDayze said:

Graycap23 said:

Under California law, punitive damages are supposed to factor in the reprehensibility of the crime but also should bear some resemblance to the defendant's worth.

Thus, there is the question of whether Mr. Simpson, whose once-great wealth of $10 million or so has been sharply whittled by his many legal fees, is worth anywhere close to $33.5 million.

For those of you blaming Graycap for bringing up "race", CNN has an extensive story on the front page of their website about how the cultural, geographical and RACIAL components all play a factor into it. There is also apparently a related story about the concept of spanking in Sweden. So, how many of you are going to complain that now is not the time to bring up Sweden because we're talking about an American (Adrian Peterson, to clarify for those who forget he's American as well)

Which story is that? Can you link it? The only thing I found was an opinion piece that blamed Peterson's action not on his race, but on the fact that he's a Christian:

http://religion.blogs.cnn...?hpt=hp_c2

(CNN) – There’s one detail about the Adrian Peterson child abuse charges that no one seems to be noting: his alleged crimes didn’t happen simply under the guise of “parenting” but rather “Christian parenting.”

But the NFL star's Christianity shouldn’t be missed or undervalued in the sharp debate about his actions. Those of us who grew up in conservative Christian churches know all too well the culture that shapes the parenting beliefs of people like Peterson.

Today, the most notable proponents of spanking are American evangelicals. They not only preach the gospel of corporal punishment, they also impart messages that lay the foundations for abuses against children and the protection of such abuse by our legal system.

SeventeenDayze said:

Graycap23 said:

Why would CNN bring race into this?

I think it's because of the discussion about cultural difference but they interviewed whites from the South who said they grew up with the same kind of discipline method/whoopings that Peterson apparently did.

Oh, so it's NOT a racial issue. It crosses all racial lines.

Graycap23 said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

Wait now, which is it.................one-third........or.............10 times as much?

In California before Oj, the award was up to 1/3 your NET worth.

Oj's net worth was down to $3million yet the award was 10 times that much.

Does thei make any rational sense to u?

But wasn't the award based on "future" earnings also because actually OJ's attorneys were saying his was hundreds of thousands plus the multi-million dollar compensatory award in dept, and whatever assets he had were already liquidated to cover his legal fees for the criminal case? So yeah, it does make rational sense to me.

Graycap23 said:

JustErin said:

As for the dog fighting thing, I don't know people personally that are into dog fighting - thank sweet fuck...but as someone that is involved heavily in animal welfare causes, I am constantly being updated about these types of cases. It happens, and thankfully it's happening more and more.

You have tunnel vision, it's that simple, that's the WORST type of self proclaimed advocate of anything.

Under California law, punitive damages are supposed to factor in the reprehensibility of the crime but also should bear some resemblance to the defendant's worth.

Thus, there is the question of whether Mr. Simpson, whose once-great wealth of $10 million or so has been sharply whittled by his many legal fees, is worth anywhere close to $33.5 million.

Well, I knew you wouldn't supply a source so I found the article you are quoting from.

It's a New York Times article from February 11, 1997 regarding the jury award. NOWHERE IN IT does it substantiate your claim(s) regarding punitive damages. In fact, it clearly says:

Mr. Simpson, whose appeals will face both legal and financial hurdles, was not in court to hear today's verdict, which was permissible because the case was a civil action. And neither he nor his lawyers made a statement afterward.

http://www.nytimes.com/19...award.html

Graycap23 said:

Stymie said:

Graycap23 said:

Ok.

What President has been disrespected like Obama?

Who do u know that went 2 prison for dogfighting?

Who do u know, that was found innocent of Murder, yet somehow was sued in Civil court for 10 times his net worth?

Simply look at the incarceration rates..........I don't need 2 make a comment there.

I could go on.................but it's all good. Keep your clueless blinders on.

I said zero about Obama in my response to you so I have no idea why you brought him up. I am sure a simple google search would bring up people who have been cleared of murder yet sued in a wrongful death civil case. Introducing more things in your response to me that were not initially addressed just makes your case look weaker. As far as being clueless, if that means I don't blame every thing that happens to me or people of my race on the color of my skin, I'll stay clueless.

Great. Now filter me out.......just like I do u.

What did this little 4 year old do, for this kind of whipping to be excessive like that?

Beautifulstarr123 said:

What did this little 4 year old do, for this kind of whipping to be excessive like that?

I don't know if the details were published.

The legal system will give Peterson exactly what deserved.

Graycap23 said:

Beautifulstarr123 said:

What did this little 4 year old do, for this kind of whipping to be excessive like that?

I don't know if the details were published.

The legal system will give Peterson exactly what deserved.

Does that anger you?

Graycap23 said:

paintedlady said:

Graycap23 said:

I don't know if the details were published.

The legal system will give Peterson exactly what deserved.

Does that anger you?

What does it have 2 do with me?

Why it it anger anyone who isn't personally involved?

paintedlady said:

Stymie said:

Graycap23 said:

Great. Now filter me out.......just like I do u.

as long as it's not against the rules to call out bullshit when I see it I will respond to any post I see here just like everyone else does. If you can't take it don't dish it out.

U must really hate mirrors..............

Graycap23 said:

Away from this being a little too extreme punishment for 4 year old.

Can't spank kid but when they turn out to be ass the cops can taser? Kids belong to the gov. They can discipline but you can't.

Graycap23 said:

Beautifulstarr123 said:

What did this little 4 year old do, for this kind of whipping to be excessive like that?

I don't know if the details were published.

The legal system will give Peterson exactly what deserved.

Well, they should. My siblings and I have gotten whippings, but never, has it been this excessive, and we were older. The other alternative for our punishment was not going out to play. We knew why we're being punished.This here is abuse.

Graycap23 said:

Beautifulstarr123 said:

What did this little 4 year old do, for this kind of whipping to be excessive like that?

I don't know if the details were published.

The legal system will give Peterson exactly what deserved.

Well, they should. My siblings and I have gotten whippings, but never, has it been this excessive, and we were older. The other alternative for our punishment was not going out to play. We knew why we're being punished.This here is abuse.

This guy is clearly talented enough to play in the NFL but has been out of a job for almost a year. He's never been charged with a crime, or even sued. His suspension was lifted in February, but no one will hire him. But I don't hear Graycap taking up his case, for some reason that I can't quite put my finger on...........


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SeventeenDayze said:

Graycap23 said:

Under California law, punitive damages are supposed to factor in the reprehensibility of the crime but also should bear some resemblance to the defendant's worth.

Thus, there is the question of whether Mr. Simpson, whose once-great wealth of $10 million or so has been sharply whittled by his many legal fees, is worth anywhere close to $33.5 million.

For those of you blaming Graycap for bringing up "race", CNN has an extensive story on the front page of their website about how the cultural, geographical and RACIAL components all play a factor into it. There is also apparently a related story about the concept of spanking in Sweden. So, how many of you are going to complain that now is not the time to bring up Sweden because we're talking about an American (Adrian Peterson, to clarify for those who forget he's American as well)

Now, what a minute. That is NOT the same as what Cap was saying.

He said that people who are concerned for child that was abused, specifically a black child are showing FAKE concern. Then he made all these assertions that only black people are punished for certain crimes that he listed, which is a false statement.

JustErin said:

SeventeenDayze said:

For those of you blaming Graycap for bringing up "race", CNN has an extensive story on the front page of their website about how the cultural, geographical and RACIAL components all play a factor into it. There is also apparently a related story about the concept of spanking in Sweden. So, how many of you are going to complain that now is not the time to bring up Sweden because we're talking about an American (Adrian Peterson, to clarify for those who forget he's American as well)

Now, what a minute. That is NOT the same as what Cap was saying.

He said that people who are concerned for child that was abused, specifically a black child are showing FAKE concern. Then he made all these assertions that only black people are punished for certain crimes that he listed, which is a false statement.

U folks really do have a reading comprehension problem.

4 the last time, I stated that when black folks are involved.............the punishment is more severe.

[Edited 9/17/14 12:57pm]

Graycap23 said:

JustErin said:

Now, what a minute. That is NOT the same as what Cap was saying.

He said that people who are concerned for child that was abused, specifically a black child are showing FAKE concern. Then he made all these assertions that only black people are punished for certain crimes that he listed, which is a false statement.

U folks really do have a reading comprehension problem.

4 the last time, I sated that when black folks are involved.............the punishment is more severe.

Try to sell that to Richie Incognito.

Graycap23 said:

JustErin said:

Now, what a minute. That is NOT the same as what Cap was saying.

He said that people who are concerned for child that was abused, specifically a black child are showing FAKE concern. Then he made all these assertions that only black people are punished for certain crimes that he listed, which is a false statement.

U folks really do have a reading comprehension problem.

4 the last time, I stated that when black folks are involved.............the punishment is more severe.

[Edited 9/17/14 12:57pm]

No, this all started with your "fake concern" comment. Then your comments about specific cases that now you know are really no different than some other cases out there...if you actually took a moment or two to do a little research.

Is there an overall issue with more severe punishment for black Americans? Yes, but your attempt to use specific high profile cases to make your point failed.

You'll never admit that, but again...you have tunnel vision and really are a lost cause and at the end of the day all you really are is an Internet finger wagger which means nothing.

JustErin said:

Graycap23 said:

U folks really do have a reading comprehension problem.

4 the last time, I stated that when black folks are involved.............the punishment is more severe.

[Edited 9/17/14 12:57pm]

No, this all started with your "fake concern" comment. Then your comments about specific cases that now you know are really no different than some other cases out there...if you actually took a moment or two to do a little research.

Is there an overall issue with more severe punishment for black Americans? Yes, but your attempt to use specific high profile cases to make your point failed.

You'll never admit that, but again...you have tunnel vision and really are a lost cause and at the end of the day all you really are is an Internet finger wagger which means nothing.

SeventeenDayze said:

Graycap23 said:

Under California law, punitive damages are supposed to factor in the reprehensibility of the crime but also should bear some resemblance to the defendant's worth.

Thus, there is the question of whether Mr. Simpson, whose once-great wealth of $10 million or so has been sharply whittled by his many legal fees, is worth anywhere close to $33.5 million.

For those of you blaming Graycap for bringing up "race", CNN has an extensive story on the front page of their website about how the cultural, geographical and RACIAL components all play a factor into it. There is also apparently a related story about the concept of spanking in Sweden. So, how many of you are going to complain that now is not the time to bring up Sweden because we're talking about an American (Adrian Peterson, to clarify for those who forget he's American as well)

You're going to see cases like this coming from different angles and viewpoints, and that is what makes it controversial. I think that it's important that we don't draw conclusions that every single thing that happens in America is race based, unless you can really prove it. You may suspect certain things, but it requires investigation. The militarization of the police, that's a fact before it's right before our eyes.

Stymie said:

Graycap23 said:

Ok.

What President has been disrespected like Obama?

Who do u know that went 2 prison for dogfighting?

Who do u know, that was found innocent of Murder, yet somehow was sued in Civil court for 10 times his net worth?

Simply look at the incarceration rates..........I don't need 2 make a comment there.

I could go on.................but it's all good. Keep your clueless blinders on.

I said zero about Obama in my response to you so I have no idea why you brought him up. I am sure a simple google search would bring up people who have been cleared of murder yet sued in a wrongful death civil case. Introducing more things in your response to me that were not initially addressed just makes your case look weaker. As far as being clueless, if that means I don't blame every thing that happens to me or people of my race on the color of my skin, I'll stay clueless.

I'm amazed at how many people like to say "everything" is about race when Graycap is involved but then you guys are the ones saying "everything" way more than he ever has. It's a tactic used to snuff out discussions about race because you say, "Oh here you go again blaming EVERYTHING on race!". I don't think Graycap misses a red light and blames it on race. Good grief.

SuperFurryAnimal said:

Away from this being a little too extreme punishment for 4 year old.

Can't spank kid but when they turn out to be ass the cops can taser? Kids belong to the gov. They can discipline but you can't.

Good point.

SeventeenDayze said:

Stymie said:

SeventeenDayze said:

I'm amazed at how many people like to say "everything" is about race when Graycap is involved but then you guys are the ones saying "everything" way more than he ever has. It's a tactic used to snuff out discussions about race because you say, "Oh here you go again blaming EVERYTHING on race!". I don't think Graycap misses a red light and blames it on race. Good grief.

injecting rAce into a conversation that is not about race shuts a conversation down as well. If you don't agree, then you are labelled racist or not looking at the facts or whatever. Whether race played a part in this is a totally different discussion that should its own thread instead of derailing this one.

Yep.

It's like the boy that cried "Wolf!" Graycap cries "Racism!" so many times that when/if he ever does provide an actual case of racism, it's likely he won't be taken very seriously by anyone.

SuperFurryAnimal said:

Away from this being a little too extreme punishment for 4 year old.

Can't spank kid but when they turn out to be ass the cops can taser? Kids belong to the gov. They can discipline but you can't.

again.... it is not a "little" too extreme

SeventeenDayze said:

Stymie said:

Graycap23 said: I said zero about Obama in my response to you so I have no idea why you brought him up. I am sure a simple google search would bring up people who have been cleared of murder yet sued in a wrongful death civil case. Introducing more things in your response to me that were not initially addressed just makes your case look weaker. As far as being clueless, if that means I don't blame every thing that happens to me or people of my race on the color of my skin, I'll stay clueless.

I'm amazed at how many people like to say "everything" is about race when Graycap is involved but then you guys are the ones saying "everything" way more than he ever has. It's a tactic used to snuff out discussions about race because you say, "Oh here you go again blaming EVERYTHING on race!". I don't think Graycap misses a red light and blames it on race. Good grief.

You know good and well that no one in here is trying to "snuff out discussions about race", that's what P&R is for. I will happily join you and Graycap over there to discuss any racial aspects you see fit about it but this particular discussion had nothing to do with race until Graycap brought it up and regardless to what he wants to believe, the concern we're discussing about Adrian Peterson beating his four year old son to a whelped up bloody mess has nothing to do with his race. It is NOT RIGHT to do that to a child, PERIOD!