SeventeenDayze said:

psychodelicide said:

My understanding is that Lebron gave himself that name. Not sure if that is fact or fiction.

I think he named himself that.

SeventeenDayze said:

uPtoWnNY said:

Many of these Lebron haters talking shit inline have zero knowledge of basketball.

Everyone has the right to their own opinion including people that you characterize as "haters". Did you ever think that maybe people don't like him because of his arrogance, disrespectful attitude towards real legends like Jordan and how easily he throws teammates and teams under the bus? Sometimes people don't "love" a player based on stats....

At least know something about the game (and its history) - the basketball knowledge of many Lebron haters couldn't fill a fucking thimble. Opinions not based on facts are pointless and laughable to me.

Arrogant? Disrespectfu? Sounds like Jordan, who was brutal to his own teammates (go ask Steve Kerr). I was at plenty of those Knick-Bulls games during the 90s. Jordan was one of the biggest crybabies I ever saw if a call didn't go his way - shit, he whined more than Kevin McHale.

UPDATE - according to WFAN. the Cavs are considering including Wiggins in a deal to get Kevin Love.

uPtoWnNY said:

SeventeenDayze said:

Everyone has the right to their own opinion including people that you characterize as "haters". Did you ever think that maybe people don't like him because of his arrogance, disrespectful attitude towards real legends like Jordan and how easily he throws teammates and teams under the bus? Sometimes people don't "love" a player based on stats....

At least know something about the game (and its history) - the basketball knowledge of many Lebron haters couldn't fill a fucking thimble. Opinions not based on facts are pointless and laughable to me.

Arrogant? Disrespectfu? Sounds like Jordan, who was brutal to his own teammates (go ask Steve Kerr). I was at plenty of those Knick-Bulls games during the 90s. Jordan was one of the biggest crybabies I ever saw if a call didn't go his way - shit, he whined more than Kevin McHale.

UPDATE - according to WFAN. the Cavs are considering including Wiggins in a deal to get Kevin Love.

SeventeenDayze said:

uPtoWnNY said:

At least know something about the game (and its history) - the basketball knowledge of many Lebron haters couldn't fill a fucking thimble. Opinions not based on facts are pointless and laughable to me.

Arrogant? Disrespectfu? Sounds like Jordan, who was brutal to his own teammates (go ask Steve Kerr). I was at plenty of those Knick-Bulls games during the 90s. Jordan was one of the biggest crybabies I ever saw if a call didn't go his way - shit, he whined more than Kevin McHale.

UPDATE - according to WFAN. the Cavs are considering including Wiggins in a deal to get Kevin Love.

Well, Jordan isn't exactly a saint, Seventeendayze. I tend to agree with that. From what I've heard, he can get really funky, and the amount that he charges these young kids on Air Jordans ain't helping none, too

Beautifulstarr123 said:

SeventeenDayze said:

Well, Jordan isn't exactly a saint, Seventeendayze. I tend to agree with that. From what I've heard, he can get really funky, and the amount that he charges these young kids on Air Jordans ain't helping none, too

I never have and never will say he's a saint. His silence on issues that affect the black community is pretty bad as well. I'm just saying Lebron will never be in Jordan's league.

SeventeenDayze said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

I attended the Espy Awards last night! I was hoping LeBron would be in attendance. Sadly he wasn't.

Wow, cool that you were there. I thought he was there because they showed a video that gave the impression he was but I think that news station was using stock footage because they were probably just being lazy

My other sports hero Kobe wasn't there either...

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

SeventeenDayze said:

Wow, cool that you were there. I thought he was there because they showed a video that gave the impression he was but I think that news station was using stock footage because they were probably just being lazy

My other sports hero Kobe wasn't there either...

An ESPYs without Kobe is weird, for sure!

SeventeenDayze said:

Beautifulstarr123 said:

Well, Jordan isn't exactly a saint, Seventeendayze. I tend to agree with that. From what I've heard, he can get really funky, and the amount that he charges these young kids on Air Jordans ain't helping none, too

I never have and never will say he's a saint. His silence on issues that affect the black community is pretty bad as well. I'm just saying Lebron will never be in Jordan's league.

No one here ever said that. There are only four players who are on Jordan's level - Wilt, Russell, Kareem and Oscar.

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I've seen everything thrown at Lebron imaginable particularly on FB.

Everytime ESPN post something on FB about Lebron the nonsense

come in droves. The most popular one is he's not Jordan(after they run

out of other stupid shit to say) No shit Sherlock. What he is currently

the best player in the league right now.

phunkdaddy said:

I've seen everything thrown at Lebron imaginable particularly on FB.

Everytime ESPN post something on FB about Lebron the nonsense

come in droves. The most popular one is he's not Jordan(after they run

out of other stupid shit to say) No shit Sherlock. What he is currently

the best player in the league right now.

You won't find many knowledgeable basketball fans on FB, that's for sure. I stopped going to the Knicks official fan page because I couldn't take it anymore. Fools there actually believe Carmelo Anthony is better than Lebron.

Fans......

I think the problem with Lebron "fans" is they think he's the second coming and hate people who aren't drinking the Kool-Aid. There's nothing wrong with thinking he's an overrated jerk. Anyone can feel that he will never measure up to Jordan, especially at this point in his career. Stop being so negative because someone dares disagree with you. The Org seems to have an abundance of negativity sometimes.

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SeventeenDayze said:

I think the problem with Lebron "fans" is they think he's the second coming and hate people who aren't drinking the Kool-Aid. There's nothing wrong with thinking he's an overrated jerk. Anyone can feel that he will never measure up to Jordan, especially at this point in his career. Stop being so negative because someone dares disagree with you. The Org seems to have an abundance of negativity sometimes.

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Did anyone here ever say Lebron was on Jordan's level? But as phunkdaddy said, he's the best in the game right now.

Some of you folks on the Org need to get over the friggin' 'Decision' already.

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Derrick Rose best in the game

uPtoWnNY said:

SeventeenDayze said:

I think the problem with Lebron "fans" is they think he's the second coming and hate people who aren't drinking the Kool-Aid. There's nothing wrong with thinking he's an overrated jerk. Anyone can feel that he will never measure up to Jordan, especially at this point in his career. Stop being so negative because someone dares disagree with you. The Org seems to have an abundance of negativity sometimes.

[Edited 7/18/14 9:53am]

Did anyone here ever say Lebron was on Jordan's level? But as phunkdaddy said, he's the best in the game right now.

Some of you folks on the Org need to get over the friggin' 'Decision' already.

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uPtoWnNY said:

^ In many cases (whether it's sports or music), fan is short for 'fanatic'.

I'm not a 'fan' of Lebron James (unless he becomes a Knick), but I don't have to be a fan of a particular player to appreciate and respect their greatness. In my 40-plus years of following the NBA, I've never seen a cat that size do the things Lebron can do on the court. The closest was Magic at 6' 9"/225. But Magic couldn't defend like Lebron can. And I'd never compare Lebron to Michael Jordan - it's stupid anyway. They play different positions and have different styles. The dude you compare Jordan to is Kobe - both SGs and scoring assassins. Together with Jerry West, they're the top 3 SGs in NBA history.

And if Lebron is an arrogant jerk, so what? I could say that about most pro athletes, Jordan and Kobe included. Many of them aren't the nice guys they appear to be in public - that's just what they allow you to see. Means jack shit to me - all I care about is performance on gameday. Besides, ego is what got these cats to where they are in the first place.

uPtoWnNY said:

^ You're talking about the Daly Pistons - shit, go back even further. Tommy Heinsom, Jerry Sloan, Norm Van Leir, Dave Cowens, Paul Silas, Dennis Awtrey, Maurice Lucas - those mfers should be arrested for what they did to opposing ballplayers. The NBA was more of a man's league before David 'Spin Doctor' Stern pussified things, mostly because of the Bad Boys and Riley's Knicks.

Nowadays you can't touch wing players anymore (same with wide receives in today's NFL). BobGeorge, can you imagine what George Gervin, Dr. J, David Thompson, Dominique Wilkins or even a young Michael Jordan would do in today's NBA?

BobGeorge909 said:

They would either OWN it... or be fined enough to make the game unaffordable for them to play. most likely they would be be suspended for months or seasons...within a month of the season starting. Put lebron in the '82-'87 finals and bruh might not ever reach the paint. [Edited 7/18/14 21:09pm] [Edited 7/18/14 21:11pm]

Remember Kevin McHale clotheslining Kurt Rambis in the '84 Finals?

Walt Frazier once said he would have bruises on his arms after playing that tough Bulls backcourt of Sloan and Van Leir. Shit was no joke back then. None of this 'matador defense' crap.

uPtoWnNY said:

BobGeorge909 said:

uPtoWnNY said:

Remember Kevin McHale clotheslining Kurt Rambis in the '84 Finals?

Walt Frazier once said he would have bruises on his arms after playing that tough Bulls backcourt of Sloan and Van Leir. Shit was no joke back then. None of this 'matador defense' crap.

Fo' real. It was damn close to hockey w/o the ice. If u can...check out the ESPN 30 for 30 on the pistons if u can or haven't yet...that was some entertaining shit. Jordan's old ass was there in a current interview clip slippin' them some props for throwing down. New knter iews of Old ass lambier and rodman telling it how it was. [Edited 7/18/14 21:28pm]

I saw it. The Big East special too. Great stuff.

At the end of the day, Lebron left Miami because he was humiliated by being crushed by the Spurs. Since the Spurs will probably be a really tough team for the next few years, he probably knew the chances of him losing again like that were pretty high. At some point, pride really does become the main motivator for some of these guys. If he would have went to another team and then kept losing his whole "King James" schtick would have been dead in the water. This was simply a move to save face by saying he always knew he wanted to go back to Cleveland. Give me a break.

SeventeenDayze said:

phunkdaddy said:

Once again, it is amazing to see that you want to keep trolling me because I disagree with your butt kissing of Lebron James! You didn't pick a fight with the person who said F--- Lebron James, so why are you bothering me? This guy wouldn't have left Miami if he would have won a third consecutive championship and to think otherwise is just plain stupid. I have nothing else to say to you or any more on this subject. He ain't no Jordan. He left Miami due to humiliation and he wants to be the next Jordan. Some of you folks like turning 1+1 into Calculus I see.

SeventeenDayze said:

SeventeenDayze said:

BobGeorge909 said: