People. Apple's new music service is seriously great.

You register with Apple, and then you can listen to 30 second samples of songs and buy them for .99 each, or a whole album for 9.99. They are high quality, the downloads are fast, and they have just about every artist I've searched for so far, including a good chunk of Prince's catalog. They'll be adding more weekly. There are some exlusive tracks.

What's so great is that it works straight from iTunes (Apple's very nice music software). It is integrated beautifully.

This is unbearably cool. There is no reason to steal music anymore. I am going to be so poor!

www.apple.com/music

Oh. It's available for Macs only, for now. So go buy a Mac.

tackam said:

Oh lawd, let's not get into this.

This sounds good. When they make it for PC i will probably join. Do they carry the clasics and rarities? I'm an old-schooler ya know.

tackam said:

Steal MUSIC? So if someone shared his magazines with you (or any media or stuff), that means you stole it?

The consumer, the music lovers are NOT pirates.

Music pirates copy a whole CD, copy the booklets and cover and re-sell it at swap meets and on the street! Shit! Can't people get that straight!?!?!

It's like you believed the BS propaganda demonizing the consumers with lables the record industry and entertainment industry along with it's lawyers fed the corporate military media!

Stop!

Were we pirates when we made a copy on cassettes for our buddies??? When we made a copy for our family members of a favorite movie on VHS?

C'mon.


".99 might not be too much to pay for a song to play on a $500 iPod, but if you want to fill it with songs, it will cost $7000!

.99 is too much!" MacCentral post I thought expressed how I felt about the Apple service.

It's cool, but still too much. I might buy a song or two, but when it comes to concept albums with album sleeves and artwork and packaging, like Pink Floyd albums or Beatles stuff, then well, I rather pay for the album.

You don't get artwork with $10.00 for a complete CD from Apple.

I'm sorry for going off on you about this, really I apologize, but I'm just like sheesh! Enough of continueing the dissinformation.

Anyway, yeah, the iTunes Music Store, I'll probably treat it like a singels service. Since nowadays you don't really get cassingles and so forth.

It's cool. Just that it's stil slightly on the expensive size once you try to fill up your iPod.

I mean, hey, Apple knows how to do it right. They take on something and bam, it's execution is fabulous! So I'm digging it.

doing the math... let's see... 99¢ times the number of mp3s i have... 39161... that'll be $38,769.39 i owe...

thank god i got on the 'net before they shut off the faucet.

Artists do not deserve any money for their work... nobody should ever pay for their music and it should be available for free.

*Note the incredible amount of sarcasm*

If you buy a donut and want to share it with your friends, that's OK.

The problem is when you want to share 9 donuts but only payed for one

That was the "donut parable"

MP3s will never compare in quality to CDs. That's why I think they should be free. If you want a better quality, go buy the CD.

iTunes and the new iPod use the AAC audio format which features CD quality sound and smaller file sizes than MP3.

nah thanx,
i'll use WinMX
for nothing.

iTunes lets you share music too - with people you actually are around - people in my house can listen to my playlist on their Mac without copying the song - that's sharing. People I don't know can't come to my machine and make copies of my music. That's the difference between sharing and stealing.

it's amazing how many people think downloading music from strangers computers for free isn't stealing the music and instead try to call it "sharing".

And yes, you do get the artwork with the CD when you buy it from Apple.

One way to look at it is it'll cost $7k to fill one up with legal music. If you're going to try to fill one up in a day, that could be a problem. The other way to look at it is that you can buy one and likely never run out of space. I have most of my legal music collection in iTunes - 1234 songs, 4.4 days of music. Add the whole contents of the vault and I still have plenty of space. The question isn't how much does it cost to fill up the drive, it's how much should the artists be paid for their work? If Prince put's his content up there, he'll get $0.66 per song. I guess some on here don't think artists deserve any money since they condone stealing over buying. I guess they don't want to get paid when they work either.

Also, iPod's aren't just for music. they also hold stuff like contact lists, calanders, etc and unused space can be used as a hard drive.

Stealing sucks.

Look, people, I have downloaded a TON of songs. I'm not against filesharing in the current system where there is no real alternative.

But this IS a real alternative.

And yes, the selection is great, and will be getting better all the time.

You really have to go to the the Apple site and check it out. Watch the promo video (w/Ian Robinson, Bono, and Alanis Morriset). You'll understand why I'm so excited.

Do you think that apple pay these artist royalties for using this music?

sag10 said:

It depends - if the artist is with a record company, Apple pays the record company, the record company pays the artist. If the artist is someone like Prince, the money would go directly to the artist (once prince signs up). Apple keeps 1/3, passes the rest to the music owner - much like a record store selling a CD.

I mean Prince's NPG releases. His WB content would generate royalties just like they do when WB sells the albums.

alandail said:

Thank you!

Watch these!
http://www.apple.com/music/ads/

sag10 said:

I bet Apple is going to offer the ability to put songs made with Emagic Logic Audio (owned by Apple) right into the iTunes store under these conditions.

alandail said:

Okay.

Seriously though... I know that getting music for free seems fun and all that, but the artists could really use money for their work.

Stealing sucks.

Snipet from CNN interview with Jobs over the iTunes Music Store service:

O'BRIEN: All right. What makes you so certain that people are going to actually pay for music they see online?

JOBS: Well, we're going to find out. Napster and Kazaa certainly demonstrated that the Internet was built perfectly for delivering music. The problem is they're illegal. And the services that have sprung up that were legal are pretty anemic in terms of the rights they offer you, and they kind of treat you like a criminal. You can't burn a CD, or you can't put it on your MP3 player.

And so our idea was to try to come up with a music service where you don't have to subscribe to it. You can just buy music at 99 cents a song, and you have great digital -- you have great rights to use it. You can burn as many CDs as you want for personal use, you can put it on your iPods, you can use it in your other applications, you can have it on multiple computers.

And we were able to convince the big five music companies to go along with us on this. So it's a pretty landmark offering. Nobody has ever seen anything like this before.

Then...

O'BRIEN: But a lot of things -- it's like a lot of things on the Net, Steve, in the sense that when people are accustomed to getting it for free, will they make the move and pay for it, or are you going after an entirely different market that is not out there already?

JOBS: Well, let me give you an observation that's really interesting. If you go to Kazaa and you try to find a song, you don't find a single song. You find 50 versions of that song, and you have to pick which one to try to download, and usually it's not a very good connection. You have to try another one, and by the time you finally get a clean version of the song you want, it takes about 15 minutes. If you do the math, that means that you're spending an hour to download four songs that you could buy for under $4 from Apple, which means you're working for under minimum wage.

Read it all at:
http://www.cnn.com/2003/T...interview/

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See all you have to do is THINK it through and analyse things, rather than making some impulsive descision based on morality.

Now I must say, that it seems like Jobs is going to fix all this fuss. He taken on the role with Apple to be the moderator or what's that word...darn...it's on the tip of my fingers...well the person that goes between two parties fighting...you know what I mean, and make something great that will make both the consumers/music loving audience and the people that make the music happy. It will be a success.




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[This message was edited Tue Apr 29 12:00:32 PDT 2003 by FlyingCloudPassenger]