JustErin said:

Beautifulstarr123 said:

At least KingBad is an honest person, something I think should be valued, because some people are just going along with the program, so that it doesn't contradict what they truly believe and feel.

He is no more honest than everyone else here so I fail to see why this is being singled out as some kind of applaudable trait in this thread.

And I'm not really understanding how bigotry is downplayed yet being honest about your bigotry is somehow honorable.

This place is beyond weird now.

So quick to yell bigotry when it's concern for the child we voice. At that age all kids are going through a lot of insecurities. It is concern about how we deal with them, the treatments all the medications we pump into kids today. ADHD and depression medications. Our kids are guinea pigs as we truly know very little about how the brain works.


All anyone wants is for kids to be happy and grow up to be happy adults, I for one only voice concern. The gender issues we in the west deal with are all 20th century made up ones. Blue is for boys and pink is for girls is 20th century made up gender nonsense, Dresses and pants and flowers is too.

All of this has nothing do with gender but with today's social norms. My concern is with society institutionalizing todays social norms to fit gender identity. Let kids be kids and wear dresses and pants if it makes them happy but lets show a little restraint and acknowledge we don't know, and allow them to grow up and decide when they get older. Acknoledging there may be other ways.

V10LETBLUES said:

JustErin said:

He is no more honest than everyone else here so I fail to see why this is being singled out as some kind of applaudable trait in this thread.

And I'm not really understanding how bigotry is downplayed yet being honest about your bigotry is somehow honorable.

This place is beyond weird now.

So quick to yell bigotry when it's concern for the child we voice. At that age all kids are going through a lot of insecurities. It is concern about how we deal with them, the treatments all the medications we pump into kids today. ADHD and depression medications. Our kids are guinea pigs as we truly know very little about how the brain works.


All anyone wants is for kids to be happy and grow up to be happy adults, I for one only voice concern. The gender issues we in the west deal with are all 20th century made up ones. Blue is for boys and pink is for girls is 20th century made up gender nonsense, Dresses and pants and flowers is too.

All of this has nothing do with gender but with today's social norms. My concern is with society institutionalizing todays social norms to fit gender identity. Let kids be kids and wear dresses and pants if it makes them happy but lets show a little restraint and acknowledge we don't know, and allow them to grow up and decide when they get older. Acknoledging there may be other ways.

But we are not talking about what he said about the kid: we are talking about what he said about gays.

I just can't believe I'm on the org. wtf people

XxAxX said:

Stymie said:

noimageatall said:

I just can't believe I'm on the org. wtf people

Its like it turned into a duck dynasty board.

lazycrockett said:

noimageatall said:

I just can't believe I'm on the org. wtf people

Its like it turned into a duck dynasty board.

It appears that way... Or a horrible episode of the Twilight Zone.

XxAxX said:

JustErin said:

You are terribly confused.

I am not angry.

Your posts come off as a person that is not totally there mentally. If that's what you consider being "free"....enjoy your freedom.

okay i like you both but i feel that your comment above to KB is not fair.

his style is different but that's befause the King expresses himself in a more poeticolorful way than most people do.


personally, i think the issue of gender identification is very multifaceted and the article above demonstratres that we don't know much about the subject. from what little we do know it seems that both socialization factors and genetic predisposition factors contribute to the ongoing mystery. this is just my 2c.

thank you love, but i would hate to see you

lose friendship with erin in defence of me...

and i'm sure it would come to that in a heartbeat... you i love

erin, i don't know...

i will always continue to speak it like i think it

until information changes my view...

again i thank you. don't become a intangled on my behalf

i love you HAPPY (has nothin to do with that sucky song)

[b] there'sa'k'inthanksEDIT[b/]

[Edited 6/16/14 16:53pm]

V10LETBLUES said:

JustErin said:

He is no more honest than everyone else here so I fail to see why this is being singled out as some kind of applaudable trait in this thread.

And I'm not really understanding how bigotry is downplayed yet being honest about your bigotry is somehow honorable.

This place is beyond weird now.

So quick to yell bigotry when it's concern for the child we voice. At that age all kids are going through a lot of insecurities. It is concern about how we deal with them, the treatments all the medications we pump into kids today. ADHD and depression medications. Our kids are guinea pigs as we truly know very little about how the brain works.


All anyone wants is for kids to be happy and grow up to be happy adults, I for one only voice concern. The gender issues we in the west deal with are all 20th century made up ones. Blue is for boys and pink is for girls is 20th century made up gender nonsense, Dresses and pants and flowers is too.

All of this has nothing do with gender but with today's social norms. My concern is with society institutionalizing todays social norms to fit gender identity. Let kids be kids and wear dresses and pants if it makes them happy but lets show a little restraint and acknowledge we don't know, and allow them to grow up and decide when they get older. Acknoledging there may be other ways.

PEACE...

much more eloquent than i will ever be

JustErin said:

XxAxX said:

okay i like you both but i feel that your comment above to KB is not fair.

his style is different but that's befause the King expresses himself in a more poeticolorful way than most people do.


personally, i think the issue of gender identification is very multifaceted and the article above demonstratres that we don't know much about the subject. from what little we do know it seems that both socialization factors and genetic predisposition factors contribute to the ongoing mystery. this is just my 2c.

There is nothing poetic or whatever weird made up word was used to describe his posts. They just come off conveluded, confused, messed up ramblings with major doses of grandiose delusions. That's his thing on here and I never really commented on most of his harmless silliness before but the hate and ignorance spewed out in this thread should not be ignored.

that's the funny thing. i didn't see him express hate or ignorance, in my view he just expressed his own opinion.

i see where he mentions homosexuality along with bestiality and pedophilia in the same sentence, but that doesn't mean he considers gay people to be the same as child molesters or animal abusers. it's not a flattering juxtaposition but again, he ain't saying they're the same, is he?

i see where he made a comment about single black women, specifically greedy broads that turn into a broad with an ax to grind (which by the way there are plenty of white women like that too) but i don't see where he says that *all* single black women are like that?

anyway when i read his post (and sometimes i have to read his stuff about three times to figure out what he means because he's quirkeloquent ) i don't feel like he is slamming the gay community or single black women, so much as he is relating the topic of this thread to his own experience in life while making the point that he doesn't have to be on board with anyone else's agenda.

again, i'm not trying to pick a fight here, just pointing out what *i* see in those posts. i get that one *can* take what he says as a slam, but you can read it another way too and i give him the benefit of the doubt because he never strikes me as close minded, but rather really smart and creatively oddball. and i mean oddball in a nice way

a direct result of black women in specific, single women in general

tellin their kids that "men ain't shit".

and it's not about them not payin support

as much as it's about them not havin time

time for some greedy broad that turns into

some broad with an axe to grind

and

this site has turned into a place where folks loose sight

of the fact that everybody don't have to be gay happy...

i don't HAVE to agree with the gay agenda, or the pediphile

agenda, or the beatiality agenda...

i don't have to like anything about what these people do.

AND i have the right to have an opinion about what they do and

how it affects my community and the kids in it.

i know gay people, they are not my friends and we are

harmonious among oneanother. i also have white friends

and i am BLACK and all for BLACK causes above all others.

that don't make me a whitiephobe or any other kind of phobe.

the fact that the word get's dropped so much is proof of the

kind of agenda that is bein followed.

everyone/kids now has to worry about bein labeled as some

kind of freak because they get hit on by samesex proponents

and feel if they don't accept this UNWANTED ATTENTION

they will be accused of bein IN FEAR with no real reason.

so when y'all speak of the emotional trauma that may lead to mental

illness, think of how PHOBISM is created for them...

i heard how y'all claimed that dragon trainer 2 was such an

out in the open message and those that didn't appreciate it were 'phobic'

and there could be no agenda attached to it. HOWEVER,

it's funny that not one traile for it brings up this REVOLUTIONARY

BREAKTHROUGH, why? shit, if you gonna be proud and open

that should have been the main sellin point... instead it looks to me

that thats a thing for unsuspectin patrons were left to handle with their kids,

leavin them in yet another dificult position of havin to let it slide

or be labeled homophobic by their own kids who have been doctrenated

to be acceptin of somethin they not comfortable with... you know

like when uncle billy wants you to touch him and keep it a secret...

oooops, didn't mean to hit home with you personally...

call me what you will...

your likin or dislikin of me changes my day NONEWHUTSOEVER!!! PEACE

PLEASE STOP

IF I MUST APOLOGIZE FOR THE SAKE OF MY FRIEND

TO STOP ILL WORDS AND FEELIN DIRECTED AT HER

I AM TRUELY SORRY FOR ANY HURTFUL WORDS I SAID

if this will maintain the peace between those who have been

nothin but FRIENDS in the past LET IT BE THAT!!!

JustErin said:

KingBAD said:

you got yo thang and i got mine.

your anger is about me NOT

acceptin YOUR point of view...

YOU wanna think you are so ENLIGHTENED

while think of me as some kind of

neanderthal... i'm way above that.

GAY AIN'T THE NEW BLACK and

never will be...

I'M BLACK BY CHOICE NOT FORCE,

otherwise i'd just be another nrgro l

ookin for acceptance in a fucked up society.

MY LIFE, MY RULES...

don't you WISH you could be SO FREE

You are terribly confused.

I am not angry.

Your posts come off as a person that is not totally there mentally. If that's what you consider being "free"....enjoy your freedom.

...and you've just proven his point.

V10LETBLUES said:

JustErin said:

XxAxX said:

okay i like you both but i feel that your comment above to KB is not fair.

his style is different but that's befause the King expresses himself in a more poeticolorful way than most people do.


personally, i think the issue of gender identification is very multifaceted and the article above demonstratres that we don't know much about the subject. from what little we do know it seems that both socialization factors and genetic predisposition factors contribute to the ongoing mystery. this is just my 2c.

that's the funny thing. i didn't see him express hate or ignorance, in my view he just expressed his own opinion.

his own experience in life while making the point that he doesn't have to be on board with anyone else's agenda.

again, i'm not trying to pick a fight here, just pointing out what *i* see in those posts. i get that one *can* take what he says as a slam, but you can read it another way too and i give him the benefit of the doubt because he never strikes me as close minded, but rather really smart and creatively oddball. and i mean oddball in a nice way

KB SAID..

AND i have the right to have an opinion

i know gay people, they are not my friends and we are

harmonious among one another.

XxAxX said:

that's the funny thing. i didn't see him express hate or ignorance, in my view he just expressed his own opinion.

Something can be both an opinion and still be seeped in ignorance and hate.
Comparing gays to child molesters is really no different from when people compare black people to monkeys. There are many ways to show your prejudice and disgust of a community/group. You don't have to spell it out for it to come out full flush.

i see where he made a comment about single black women, specifically greedy broads that turn into a broad with an ax to grind (which by the way there are plenty of white women like that too) but i don't see where he says that *all* single black women are like that?

KB didn't start off with "greedy broads" and than work his way out. He began by targeting black women and than made a sweeping generalization about "single women in general." The fact is, for whatever reasons, KB is extremely prejudice. In fact, he has never denied that he is. He embraces his "right" to pass sweeping judgements on entire communities and isn't afraid to tell his "truth." You can't explain that away on his behalf.
anyway when i read his post (and sometimes i have to read his stuff about three times to figure out what he means because he's quirkeloquent ) i don't feel like he is slamming the gay community or single black women, so much as he is relating the topic of this thread to his own experience in life while making the point that he doesn't have to be on board with anyone else's agenda.

He keeps bringing up this "agenda" as if there is some huge conspiracy going on that he needs to speak up against.
A cartoon can have a gay character in it. Why shouldn't it? We see hetro couples in the cartoons all the time. I don't read KB targeting those decisions.

again, i'm not trying to pick a fight here, just pointing out what *i* see in those posts. i get that one *can* take what he says as a slam, but you can read it another way too and i give him the benefit of the doubt because he never strikes me as close minded, but rather really smart and creatively oddball. and i mean oddball in a nice way

I am not trying to fight either. KB strikes me as very old school and set in his ways and happy to be that way. I don't hate KB but I don't respect him (nor do I care about how he feels about my feelings.) He passes a lot of judgement based on his very limited experience. I don't have to accept or respect his "right" to further marginalize anyone.

this site has turned into a place where folks loose sight

of the fact that everybody don't have to be gay happy...

i don't HAVE to agree with the gay agenda, or the pediphile

agenda, or the beatiality agenda...

i don't have to like anything about what these people do.

AND i have the right to have an opinion about what they do and

how it affects my community and the kids in it.

i know gay people, they are not my friends and we are

harmonious among oneanother. i also have white friends

and i am BLACK and all for BLACK causes above all others.

that don't make me a whitiephobe or any other kind of phobe.

the fact that the word get's dropped so much is proof of the

kind of agenda that is bein followed.

everyone/kids now has to worry about bein labeled as some

kind of freak because they get hit on by samesex proponents

and feel if they don't accept this UNWANTED ATTENTION

they will be accused of bein IN FEAR with no real reason.

so when y'all speak of the emotional trauma that may lead to mental

illness, think of how PHOBISM is created for them...

i heard how y'all claimed that dragon trainer 2 was such an

out in the open message and those that didn't appreciate it were 'phobic'

and there could be no agenda attached to it. HOWEVER,

it's funny that not one traile for it brings up this REVOLUTIONARY

BREAKTHROUGH, why? shit, if you gonna be proud and open

that should have been the main sellin point... instead it looks to me

that thats a thing for unsuspectin patrons were left to handle with their kids,

leavin them in yet another dificult position of havin to let it slide

or be labeled homophobic by their own kids who have been doctrenated

to be acceptin of somethin they not comfortable with... you know

like when uncle billy wants you to touch him and keep it a secret...

oooops, didn't mean to hit home with you personally...

call me what you will...

your likin or dislikin of me changes my day NONEWHUTSOEVER!!! PEACE

LadyCasanova said:

XxAxX said:

Beautifulstarr123 said:

JustErin said:

You are terribly confused.

I am not angry.

Your posts come off as a person that is not totally there mentally. If that's what you consider being "free"....enjoy your freedom.

...and you've just proven his point.

Of all the folks who many never thought would change their views and prejudice… it was me. Why? Because I grew up in a religion that despised homosexuals, trans-people, bisexuals, etc., etc., etc. I was taught from the age of two that they’d be destroyed if they didn’t change and they were equally as guilty “in God’s eyes” as murderers, child molesters, those who lie with animals, etc. etc. When I left that religion I left all the hate and judgments behind also. I was the one who had to change my mindset. And I’m as old as Prince. Prince actually helped me with that. If I can change a lifetime of hateful indoctrination then anyone can.

My granddaughter was born with male genitals. However, from the age of 4 the entire family KNEW she didn’t fit the rough and tumble stereotypes of most boys her age. The rest of the family tried to change her. So much so that she was close to suicide at age 15. If not for me and my acceptance and love she’d be dead. I railed against the rest of the family and brought them out of the dark ages as they’d been raised in the same religion.

I love my granddaughter so much that it doesn’t matter to me if she told me tomorrow that she was an alien or a man or bisexual or whatever. She is beautiful inside and out. As long as she is happy with herself and not harming herself or others I’m happy. Why can’t we just let people be who they ‘think’ or ‘know’ they are without assigning them ANY labels and judging them??? Why does it matter so much who they love or who they are? Why can’t we just see the human and love them? How can I possibly KNOW that what anyone else identifies as is wrong?? How can I be so arrogant as to assume I KNOW that they can’t possibly be who they say they are??

And yes, R. Kelly’s child might have issues…what child in ANY family doesn’t? Thousands of children grow up in unstable home environments. Thousands are molested, abused, etc. and shifted from one parent to the next. Yet not all identify as trans, gay, etc. Hmmm…could it be that those who do are BORN THAT WAY ???

In my mind though, who cares if any child feels they were born with the wrong set of genitals and must change to who they really are? Who does it harm or offend except those who are stuck in society’s male/female view of what that means? It also seems to me that if the cause were Black single mothers telling their children ‘men ain’t shit’ then all their children would be switching to female ASAP. I’m white and was known to have said that exact thing to my children more than once. None of them are gay or trans or whatever and I wouldn’t care if they were anyway.

Anyway…think of all the amazing human beings one will never get to know because of some ridiculous antiquated societal/religious conventions…all the amazing people one won’t associate with subsequently missing the love and talent and friendships…What a shame.

See my signature? That’s what I live… We should all try it.

[Edited 6/17/14 15:48pm]

^Bravo!

noimageatall said:

My granddaughter was born with male genitals. However, from the age of 4 the entire family KNEW she didn’t fit the rough and tumble stereotypes of most boys her age. The rest of the family tried to change her. So much so that she was close to suicide at age 15. If not for me and my acceptance and love she’d be dead. I railed against the rest of the family and brought them out of the dark ages as they’d been raised in the same religion.

Your granddaughter is stunning

I am so happy that she has you in her life and that she is wise enough to accept what she knows about herself and leads her life on her terms.

Stymie said:

lazycrockett said:

^Really, "Agenda"? jesus christ.

[Edited 6/12/14 19:35pm]

Co-sign. People can choose to feel whatever way they want about gay people and I have no problem if the rationale behind the reason for not being for them is sound but saying someone has an agenda shows a lack of understanding and a brick wall is hit because it also shows that the person doesn't want to understand either.

Yes. Exactly.

AborshaClinique said:

My final word on the issue. The orginal topic was about a person being open about himself. Transgender and homosexuality are two seperate things. King bad has compared homosexuality to pedophilia and bestiality. Yet some daft people are defening him and calling him honest. I feel sad for those who have defended him, you are full of hate but in a couple years you will be forgotten and that makes me happy. Lets end transphobia, homophobia, misogyny and racism.

I agree with you.

1. Gay people love somebody of their same sex. In every race, SES, gender, class and what more variable, it is consistently found that 5-10 % is gay. Also in Russia and Africa and also in Muslim countries. So, it is not a choice.

2. Cross dressers are people who enjoy to dress up as somebody of a different gender. This preference is as common among straight people as it is among gay people.

3. Trans gender identity is not related to the family background, race, culture or what more. It's consistently found in all populations. So, don't pretend it is anybody's fault, as if it is easily altered.

4. There are different gender related syndromes, for example, Turners, that will be researched, not because it should go away, but in order to help people who are born with it. In order to help them establish a good quality of life.

5. Categorizing these kind of naturally occurring phenomenon is a helpful tool for researchers. Distinguishing between different occurrences is just to communicate about it in scientific research papers. Not a mean to stigmatize people.

6. Body integrity Identity Disorder has nothing to do with transgender identity. Just like Body Dismorphic Syndrome. Has nothing to do with one another.

7. Transgender and Transsexual are two very distinct phenomenon. If you don't know the distincion, you are not qualified to discuss the subject.

8. Mental Illness is as common as the flu. Everybody has at least one mental illness at some point in their life. It's because of the one dimensional coverage of mental illness, that causes people to stigmatize it. Which is weird, knowing it's so common. Gay, transsexual or transgender has nothing to do with a mental illnes. It's weird that it is suggested that it is.

9. Counseling is always a good thing. Just for support, if you are going through a rough period. Or to personally develop, and open up for alternative interpretations of the world around you. And it can be therapy if you suffer anxiety or another mental illness.

10. If one or two orgers post views that are unjust and prejudiced, that is on them. That does not mean that the whole org has changed. Generalizing like that is silly.

11. R. Kelly has proven to be a pedophile, but still, Americans love him. I condemn pedophilia, because it harms children. I don't understand why his child, being a transgender, but not hurting anybody, deserves to be judged negatively.

12. Yes, fluoride in the water is not beneficial for our health. Nor is giving young children medication. However, that has nothing to do with transgender. So, I don't understand that point at all.

13. King Bad showed his narrow mindedness. I find him ignorant and unjustified in his judgements. No reason to defend him at all. He is upfront about his opinion. And there is no reason to twist his words, so his opinion does seem reasonable. He is not.

[Edited 6/17/14 23:15pm]

JustErin said:

Beautifulstarr123 said:

...and you've just proven his point.

....now tell the org what you really feel about black people

dJJ said:

1. Gay people love somebody of their same sex. In every race, SES, gender, class and what more variable, it is consistently found that 5-10 % is gay. Also in Russia and Africa and also in Muslim countries. So, it is not a choice.

2. Cross dressers are people who enjoy to dress up as somebody of a different gender. This preference is as common among straight people as it is among gay people.

3. Trans gender identity is not related to the family background, race, culture or what more. It's consistently found in all populations. So, don't pretend it is anybody's fault, as if it is easily altered.

4. There are different gender related syndromes, for example, Turners, that will be researched, not because it should go away, but in order to help people who are born with it. In order to help them establish a good quality of life.

5. Categorizing these kind of naturally occurring phenomenon is a helpful tool for researchers. Distinguishing between different occurrences is just to communicate about it in scientific research papers. Not a mean to stigmatize people.

6. Body integrity Identity Disorder has nothing to do with transgender identity. Just like Body Dismorphic Syndrome. Has nothing to do with one another.

7. Transgender and Transsexual are two very distinct phenomenon. If you don't know the distincion, you are not qualified to discuss the subject.

8. Mental Illness is as common as the flu. Everybody has at least one mental illness at some point in their life. It's because of the one dimensional coverage of mental illness, that causes people to stigmatize it. Which is weird, knowing it's so common. Gay, transsexual or transgender has nothing to do with a mental illnes. It's weird that it is suggested that it is.

9. Counseling is always a good thing. Just for support, if you are going through a rough period. Or to personally develop, and open up for alternative interpretations of the world around you. And it can be therapy if you suffer anxiety or another mental illness.

10. If one or two orgers post views that are unjust and prejudiced, that is on them. That does not mean that the whole org has changed. Generalizing like that is silly.

11. R. Kelly has proven to be a pedophile, but still, Americans love him. I condemn pedophilia, because it harms children. I don't understand why his child, being a transgender, but not hurting anybody, deserves to be judged negatively.

12. Yes, fluoride in the water is not beneficial for our health. Nor is giving young children medication. However, that has nothing to do with transgender. So, I don't understand that point at all.

13. King Bad showed his narrow mindedness. I find him ignorant and unjustified in his judgements. No reason to defend him at all. He is upfront about his opinion. And there is no reason to twist his words, so his opinion does seem reasonable. He is not.

[Edited 6/17/14 23:15pm]

So, explain #7, the topic of discussion. Don't be vague.

Beautifulstarr123 said:

dJJ said:

7. Transgender and Transsexual are two very distinct phenomenon. If you don't know the distincion, you are not qualified to discuss the subject.

So, explain #7, the topic of discussion. Don't be vague.

Really? You trust me as your sole source of information? Or do you just not want to look it up and read about the subject yourself?


I think you are capable of googling it.

dJJ said:

Beautifulstarr123 said:

So, explain #7, the topic of discussion. Don't be vague.

Really? You trust me as your sole source of information? Or do you just not want to look it up and read about the subject yourself?


I think you are capable of googling it.

Naw, talk about it, miss know it all

Beautifulstarr123 said:

JustErin said:

....now tell the org what you really feel about black people

OMGF.

Everything really does get lost on you, doesn't it?