IheartCali said:

missfee said:

V10LETBLUES said:

14 is way too young to allow a kid to make such a choice. If he had any type of medical procdure, the doctors and parent/s must be nuts to allow such a thing. Unbelievable.

My thoughts exactly. Her body hasn't even finished developing naturally yet at 14.

I don't know much either but I think "Transgender" usually refers to people who haven't gone through medical procedure. I don't think everyone must find this story "wonderful" And I also don't think people who are more concerned about this child than happy for him are automatically "phobic people"... but I think maybe you guys would find this video interesting and helpful... =D!

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i love this lil GIRLS spirit

i did a paper on her for my psych AND philosophy classes.

she is the perfect example of the RIGHTNESS of GENDER IDENTITY

and i can respect the parents choices in letter her make her coices...

MOST other situation that you see today are just like MOST of the

gay crowd on this site... daddy issues and rebellion...

KingBAD said:

IheartCali said:

I don't know much either but I think "Transgender" usually refers to people who haven't gone through medical procedure. I don't think everyone must find this story "wonderful" And I also don't think people who are more concerned about this child than happy for him are automatically "phobic people"... but I think maybe you guys would find this video interesting and helpful... =D!

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i love this lil GIRLS spirit

i did a paper on her for my psych AND philosophy classes.

she is the perfect example of the RIGHTNESS of GENDER IDENTITY

and i can respect the parents choices in letter her make her coices...

MOST other situation that you see today are just like MOST of the

gay crowd on this site... daddy issues and rebellion...

Bullshit.

y'all kill me

Stymie said:

KingBAD said:

i love this lil GIRLS spirit

i did a paper on her for my psych AND philosophy classes.

she is the perfect example of the RIGHTNESS of GENDER IDENTITY

and i can respect the parents choices in letter her make her coices...

MOST other situation that you see today are just like MOST of the

gay crowd on this site... daddy issues and rebellion...

Bullshit.

Of course it is bullshit...but some people are just beyond trying to reason with.

Ignorance sure is a hard wall to break down.

Some people need to actually meet transgender people for once in their life. My first boyfriend was trans. Do you really think he "decided" to "become" trans? 41% of transgender people attempt suicide at least once, not to mention their high unemployed and homelessness percentages. I saw and felt the pain he experienced as he had to tell people who he wasn't sure would be okay with it. We had to sneak clothes into his house before he told his parents. He's not the only one. I've met many transgender and transsexual people in my life and they've all had to experience the same thing: people not understanding just how uncontrollable the situation is. Being gay I can say this: make fun of sexual orientations all you want, but leave gender identity out of it because you have no fucking idea how hard what they're going through is.

Aren't we all a little trans though? I have a penis but I'm gay so I'm not necessarily masculine or feminine. I pluck my eyebrows but I have a deep voice.

I'm still trying to figure out the difference between a tomboy, a butch lesbian, and a FTM trans. They all present the same/similar gender display.

Do pronouns refer to sex or gender? Do people call me "he" because of my penis or because of how i present myself?

Trans people wouldn't exist if we didn't enforce a binanry gender code in this country that's based on penis vs. vagina. What the fuck are intersexed people supposed to do?

Just thinkin' out loud!

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V10LETBLUES said:

14 is way too young to allow a kid to make such a choice. If he had any type of medical procdure, the doctors and parent/s must be nuts to allow such a thing. Unbelievable.

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Agreed. For one thing, there needs to be a lot of counseling. Make sure the child is making a fully informed choice so that when they are of age they can proceed as a well adjusted adult.

For all we know there could be some reaction to trauma having to do with the parents, especially R. Kelly. Are we sure that no molestation has taken place? Things are not always as they appear but nobody thinks beyond what they see and hear on the surface.

In any case the appropriate avenue to pursue the matter is to start with family counseling, not this damned social media stupidity.

babynoz said:

babynoz said:

Are we sure that no molestation has taken place?

Molestation doesn't cause people to turn trans. You can't turn trans.

babynoz said:

V10LETBLUES said:

14 is way too young to allow a kid to make such a choice. If he had any type of medical procdure, the doctors and parent/s must be nuts to allow such a thing. Unbelievable.

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Agreed. For one thing, there needs to be a lot of counseling. Make sure the child is making a fully informed choice so that when they are of age they can proceed as a well adjusted adult.

For all we know there could be some reaction to trauma having to do with the parents, especially R. Kelly. Are we sure that no molestation has taken place? Things are not always as they appear but nobody thinks beyond what they see and hear on the surface.

In any case the appropriate avenue to pursue the matter is to start with family counseling, not this damned social media stupidity.

What does this have to do with him being trans?

Why family counseling? We don't place cisgender children in counseling simply for identifying with a specific gender, even if they have a fucked up home life.

KingBAD said:

a direct result of black women in specific, single women in general

tellin their kids that "men ain't shit".

and it's not about them not payin support

as much as it's about them not havin time

time for some greedy broad that turns into

some broad with an axe to grind...

i find it all quite comical

Your prejudice shows more and more. Damn shame.

AborshaClinique said:

Gender identity. and sexuality are two different things.

THANK YOU.

aardvark15 said:

babynoz said:

Are we sure that no molestation has taken place?

Molestation doesn't cause people to turn trans. You can't turn trans.

There is no evidence that she has turned anything. She very well may have been born trans, however these things are not to be determined on twitface or fuckbook.

Being that the father is a dirtbag and the mother has the brains of a doorknob, I don't see how anyone could be against the child having competent guidance through her journey of self discovery, transgender or not.

LadyCasanova said:

babynoz said:

Agreed. For one thing, there needs to be a lot of counseling. Make sure the child is making a fully informed choice so that when they are of age they can proceed as a well adjusted adult.

For all we know there could be some reaction to trauma having to do with the parents, especially R. Kelly. Are we sure that no molestation has taken place? Things are not always as they appear but nobody thinks beyond what they see and hear on the surface.

In any case the appropriate avenue to pursue the matter is to start with family counseling, not this damned social media stupidity.

What does this have to do with him being trans?

Why family counseling? We don't place cisgender children in counseling simply for identifying with a specific gender, even if they have a fucked up home life.

Go back and read reply #35 and then tell me aardvark's friend might not have benefitted from having counseling support? Somebody mentions counseling and right away people go off the deep end and attach some sort of stigma to it.

You do not have to be certifiable to seek counseling you know.

How about helping her and her family to understand the process of growing up trans? There ain't exactly a manual for it. The counselor can be an advocate on the child's behalf and give her tools that will further empower her to cope with the people around her who may not necessarily be the soul of compassion.

I can't believe I have to explain this.

babynoz said:

LadyCasanova said:

What does this have to do with him being trans?

Why family counseling? We don't place cisgender children in counseling simply for identifying with a specific gender, even if they have a fucked up home life.

Go back and read reply #35 and then tell me aardvark's friend might not have benefitted from having counseling support? Somebody mentions counseling and right away people go off the deep end and attach some sort of stigma to it.

You do not have to be certifiable to seek counseling you know.

How about helping her and her family to understand the process of growing up trans? There ain't exactly a manual for it. The counselor can be an advocate on the child's behalf and give her tools that will further empower her to cope with the people around her who may not necessarily be the soul of compassion.

I can't believe I have to explain this.

I can't believe you are getting upset because I wanted you to talk a little more about your views.

LadyCasanova said:

KingBAD said:

a direct result of black women in specific, single women in general

tellin their kids that "men ain't shit".

and it's not about them not payin support

as much as it's about them not havin time

time for some greedy broad that turns into

some broad with an axe to grind...

i find it all quite comical

Your prejudice shows more and more. Damn shame.

you ain't knowin the half of it...

but see, me... i'm free to think what i want.

i don't need your permission nor your acceptance.

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aardvark15 said:

babynoz said:

There is no evidence that she has turned anything. She very well may have been born trans, however these things are not to be determined on twitface or fuckbook.

Being that the father is a dirtbag and the mother has the brains of a doorknob, I don't see how anyone could be against the child having competent guidance through her journey of self discovery, transgender or not.

You really didn't have to say anything else. The highlighted tells me all I need to know.

LadyCasanova said:

babynoz said:

Go back and read reply #35 and then tell me aardvark's friend might not have benefitted from having counseling support? Somebody mentions counseling and right away people go off the deep end and attach some sort of stigma to it.

You do not have to be certifiable to seek counseling you know.

How about helping her and her family to understand the process of growing up trans? There ain't exactly a manual for it. The counselor can be an advocate on the child's behalf and give her tools that will further empower her to cope with the people around her who may not necessarily be the soul of compassion.

I can't believe I have to explain this.

I can't believe you are getting upset because I wanted you to talk a little more about your views.

No upset here...thought I was clear, that's all.

aardvark15 said:

babynoz said:

There is no evidence that she has turned anything. She very well may have been born trans, however these things are not to be determined on twitface or fuckbook.

Being that the father is a dirtbag and the mother has the brains of a doorknob, I don't see how anyone could be against the child having competent guidance through her journey of self discovery, transgender or not.

You really didn't have to say anything else. The highlighted tells me all I need to know.

Really? I'll speak my mind like anyone else....don't like it, that's tough.

I don't know the child and neither do you, therefore your assumptions are no more or less valid than mine. Stop manufacturing reasons to be offended and put of his or her needs before anybody's political/social agenda.

ANYONE UNDERGOING SUCH A PROFOUND EXPERIENCE CAN BENEFIT FROM COUNSELING.

Aren't you the one who mentioned how painful this experience can be for some people?

It is a life-changing coming of age for him or her. New parents sometimes get counseling, there's pre-marital counseling, there's divorce counseling, college prep, and many other events where a person might want guidance when making a transition.

And as mentioned above, I have absolutely no faith in the parenting skills of Kelly and his ex.

KingBAD said:

this site has turned into a place where folks loose sight

of the fact that everybody don't have to be gay happy...

i don't HAVE to agree with the gay agenda, or the pediphile

agenda, or the beatiality agenda...

i don't have to like anything about what these people do.

AND i have the right to have an opinion about what they do and

how it affects my community and the kids in it.

i know gay people, they are not my friends and we are

harmonious among oneanother. i also have white friends

and i am BLACK and all for BLACK causes above all others.

that don't make me a whitiephobe or any other kind of phobe.

the fact that the word get's dropped so much is proof of the

kind of agenda that is bein followed.

everyone/kids now has to worry about bein labeled as some

kind of freak because they get hit on by samesex proponents

and feel if they don't accept this UNWANTED ATTENTION

they will be accused of bein IN FEAR with no real reason.

so when y'all speak of the emotional trauma that may lead to mental

illness, think of how PHOBISM is created for them...

i heard how y'all claimed that dragon trainer 2 was such an

out in the open message and those that didn't appreciate it were 'phobic'

and there could be no agenda attached to it. HOWEVER,

it's funny that not one traile for it brings up this REVOLUTIONARY

BREAKTHROUGH, why? shit, if you gonna be proud and open

that should have been the main sellin point... instead it looks to me

that thats a thing for unsuspectin patrons were left to handle with their kids,

leavin them in yet another dificult position of havin to let it slide

or be labeled homophobic by their own kids who have been doctrenated

to be acceptin of somethin they not comfortable with... you know

like when uncle billy wants you to touch him and keep it a secret...

oooops, didn't mean to hit home with you personally...

call me what you will...

your likin or dislikin of me changes my day NONEWHUTSOEVER!!! PEACE

Oh you have totally f***ed up now KingBad. You are so asking to get ban from the org for THAT^ shit!

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TonyVanDam said:

KingBAD said:

this site has turned into a place where folks loose sight

of the fact that everybody don't have to be gay happy...

i don't HAVE to agree with the gay agenda, or the pediphile

agenda, or the beastiality agenda...

i don't have to like anything about what these people do.

AND i have the right to have an opinion about what they do and

how it affects my community and the kids in it.

i know gay people, they are not my friends and we are

harmonious among oneanother. i also have white friends

and i am BLACK and all for BLACK causes above all others.

that don't make me a whitiephobe or any other kind of phobe.

the fact that the word get's dropped so much is proof of the

kind of agenda that is bein followed.

everyone/kids now has to worry about bein labeled as some

kind of freak because they get hit on by samesex proponents

and feel if they don't accept this UNWANTED ATTENTION

they will be accused of bein IN FEAR with no real reason.

so when y'all speak of the emotional trauma that may lead to mental

illness, think of how PHOBISM is created for them...

i heard how y'all claimed that dragon trainer 2 was such an

out in the open message and those that didn't appreciate it were 'phobic'

and there could be no agenda attached to it. HOWEVER,

it's funny that not one traile for it brings up this REVOLUTIONARY

BREAKTHROUGH, why? shit, if you gonna be proud and open

that should have been the main sellin point... instead it looks to me

that thats a thing for unsuspectin patrons were left to handle with their kids,

leavin them in yet another dificult position of havin to let it slide

or be labeled homophobic by their own kids who have been doctrenated

to be acceptin of somethin they not comfortable with... you know

like when uncle billy wants you to touch him and keep it a secret...

oooops, didn't mean to hit home with you personally...

call me what you will...

your likin or dislikin of me changes my day NONEWHUTSOEVER!!! PEACE

Oh you have totally f***ed up now KingBad. You are so asking to get ban from the org for THAT^ shit!

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weally???

i am chagrinned...

it was the 'beatiality thang wun't it???

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babynoz said:

aardvark15 said:

You really didn't have to say anything else. The highlighted tells me all I need to know.

Really? I'll speak my mind like anyone else....don't like it, that's tough.

I don't know the child and neither do you, therefore your assumptions are no more or less valid than mine. Stop manufacturing reasons to be offended and put of his or her needs before anybody's political/social agenda.

ANYONE UNDERGOING SUCH A PROFOUND EXPERIENCE CAN BENEFIT FROM COUNSELING.

Aren't you the one who mentioned how painful this experience can be for some people?

It is a life-changing coming of age for him or her. New parents sometimes get counseling, there's pre-marital counseling, there's divorce counseling, college prep, and many other events where a person might want guidance when making a transition.

And as mentioned above, I have absolutely no faith in the parenting skills of Kelly and his ex.

Now this I actually agree with. But the connection between family trouble causing him to be trans as well as the use of incorrect pronouns is really just okay. I agree family counseling is a great idea for something like this. Not counseling based specificaly on the fact that someone is transgender.

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missfee said:

V10LETBLUES said:

14 is way too young to allow a kid to make such a choice. If he had any type of medical procdure, the doctors and parent/s must be nuts to allow such a thing. Unbelievable.

[Edited 6/12/14 15:59pm]

My thoughts exactly. Her body hasn't even finished developing naturally yet at 14.

Kathryn Hepburn went by a male name for quite a long time. She looked like a boy in her young teen pictures. Thankfully there wasn't such choices back then.

artist76 said:

Have you heard of Body integrity Identity Disorder? People who have BIID strongly feel that their healthy limbs are not a part of who they "truly" are. They also get extremely depressed, suffer emotionally and mentally, and even go to great lengths to sever their own limbs. I mention this because, while I do not begrudge transgender people to live and do as they feel, I would not be "happy" if my child were transgender, similar to how I would not be happy if my loved one had BIID. I have no problems with homosexuality, I'd be happy for my child if they found a partner to love, whatever sex, but to drastically "mutilate" a healthy body (that's what it is, really, rearranging organs and body chemistry) is a worrisome thing, don't you think? I agree with babynoz that counseling for the family would be helpful, because this is not as easy as just saying on twitter, "yeah, I'm happy and proud of my (now) brother!" and "I love my (now) son!" This is not something that fits neatly into 140 characters - There's a long road ahead for everyone, and many challenges. I wish them luck.

I have never heard of Body Integrity Identity Disorder. That is pretty frightening.

I do get your point. This is not a simple procedure and the results are not aesthetically pleasing. I wish we would not offer it to anyone under 21. There are also people that regret having it done. To me it is like offering breast implants to 16 year old girls. Do they have a clue how many breast implants they are in for in a lifetime???

KingBAD said:

I'm sure you could use this same quote to justify misogyny, racism, antisemitism, xenophobia, islamophobia, etc. etc.

If you really believe the "gay agenda" is controlling society you might want to go hang out with the holocaust deniers and those who believe the blacks are taking over America, because that's really the level of thought you're on.

If you criticize an already oppressed minority, that miniority is going to fire back at you.

aardvark15 said:

KingBAD said:

I'm sure you could use this same quote to justify misogyny, racism, antisemitism, xenophobia, islamophobia, etc. etc.

If you really believe the "gay agenda" is controlling society you might want to go hang out with the holocaust deniers and those who believe the blacks are taking over America, because that's really the level of thought you're on.

If you criticize an already oppressed minority, that miniority is going to fire back at you.

i could, but i didn't