Yeah. I said it. I grew up with the old SW movies. I'll never 4get that day when I was 6 and my folks took me 2 that huge theatre to c ROTJ, back in 83. It was a massive shock! I'd never seen something like that. Then I bought the toys, the audio-story-books, finally managed 2 see the first 2 films in 1984, there was the Ewoks cartoon, too, and the Marvel series. Then I lost interest a bit when I was a teen, then in 97 they were back on the big screen it was WOW! again! I'd seen them 15 times each and still I totally rediscovered them, it was as much of a shock as ROTJ back when I was 6. I went back again and again, saw each 4 times. I love them. Deeply.

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This is just 2 say that I'm a huge fan of the original trilogy, it's part of my DNA, it's how I learned to love SW and how important those movies were and still r 4 me.

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But still, I think I love the prequel trilogy even more. And Revenge Of The Sith is definitely, absolutely, my favorite of the 6!

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I can't explain why. I don't think those films r bad for one thing, I think Lucas made a few mistakes, sure, but for the most part he was totally misunderstood, I really think that everyone missed the point, wanted him to so something in the spirit of iV-VI when I-III tells a very different story about very different characters, had to be quite different. But anyway I'm not gonna write an essay about y I think those films r brilliant, I've had this convo 2 many times IRL, I've made my point elsewhere, I don't care 4 making it here.

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What I wondered, besides my honest appreciation of the films, is whether there's something else. Maybe there is. Maybe this trilogy is my trilogy in ways the old one could never be. I took SW in the face when I was 6, I could even say I'd missed it in a way, starting with ROTJ in 83, I was a train late. I took it in the face, I didn't expect it b4hand, I didn't chose it, it just happened. I was a kid, my fate and my life were not my own yet.

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The prequels is another story altogether. 4 one thing I expected those films. 4 many years I feared Lucas would never make them. When I learned he would, I was so excited. Then I got afraid that I'd be disappointed. What if I found them 2 b crap (like so many of u did)? What if I didn't like them? Now that would have been a hell of a disappointment. I remember that day in 99 when I first saw TPM, how I was surprised at first by the tone, how I realized I liked it and how I left the theater wondering on what day I could come back that same week to see it again!

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Same happened with the next 2. + in early 2002 I started to read lots of SW novels, it expanded my experience. I was 22 when TPM got released. 25 for AOTC. 28 for ROTS. I can remember those months really clearly, what I was doing, who I was dating, what was going on in my whole life, how it was on the day each those movies was released. I have very fond memories of those years when, on the other hand, I have quite sad memories from those childhood years when I was trippin' on the old films.

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And besides the movies themselves maybe that's why. Maybe the prequel trilogy is my trilogy. I expected it for years. I feared to dislike it. I loved it. I chose it. It didn't blow up in my face: i chose it. And it was my generation's trilogy. I mean u know it's like no matter how I love 70's funk and 80's new wave (and I do, so much!), those musical movements don't belong to me. Trip-hop does, electroclash does, all that music from the 90's when I was hungry for life and a teen and a 20-sumthin, and from the 00's when I was building my own life as an adult, this is my music. My generation's. The zeitgeist of those years is mine. The zeitgeist of the 70's and 80's is only one I can dream of, whishing I'd been there. Funnily enough in a sense it's the same with Prince. I became a fan in 89-90. I'd missed the "classic" years and Newpower Soul, The Slaughterhouse or Mplsound will always be my albums way more that Purple Rain or SOTT ever will, even though I tripped on PR and SOTT like a madman 4 years and still do to this day. That's maybe why, deep down, I know I have more love for NPS, TS and Mplsound than 4 PR and SOTT. Because they're mine.

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So let's not turn this into a IV-VI vs. I-III thread, I'm just curious 2 know if there r any other here who like the prequel trilogy more than the classic and, whatever ur position, whether u feel it really has to do with the movies or more with how they define u, how they belong to such or such defining part of ur life. Because I was wondering, maybe if everyone loves the old ones it's either (for the oldest people) because they were exactly what the new trilogy is for me, their generation's thing, and for my generation's people maybe the old films represent the wonderful excitment of their childhood and their adult life could never surpass that?

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Opinions?

I still love Star Wars IV V VI the most because I love movies with mystery and revelations. And movies from the 1970s early 80s did not have a lot of talk/discussion etc which added to the mystery.

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But I like Star Wars I II III and understand they are a different period. The Republic was still this vast open free culture, the Jedi Knights were thriving etc, and a lot of the time spent was seen on Coruscant the capital world and modern societies of sorts. Not backwater worlds, primitive worlds, desert worlds which is what we get in the classic movies a lot of running and hiding, secret bases and fleets jumping from system to system. The Empire having supressed a lot of freedom in the universe

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They are 2 different time periods. And can't be compared really.

I, II, and III need to be scraped and remade.

OnlyNDaUsa said:

I, II, and III need to be scraped and remade.

Not the point nope nope nope

OldFriends4Sale said:

I still love Star Wars IV V VI the most because I love movies with mystery and revelations. And movies from the 1970s early 80s did not have a lot of talk/discussion etc which added to the mystery.

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But I like Star Wars I II III and understand they are a different period. The Republic was still this vast open free culture, the Jedi Knights were thriving etc, and a lot of the time spent was seen on Coruscant the capital world and modern societies of sorts. Not backwater worlds, primitive worlds, desert worlds which is what we get in the classic movies a lot of running and hiding, secret bases and fleets jumping from system to system. The Empire having supressed a lot of freedom in the universe

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They are 2 different time periods. And can't be compared really.

the only thing that may be more enjoyable about the prequels is the fact that they show galactic politics, the Jedi Order and a bigger, brighter universe/galaxy, whereas the original trilogy basically featured some planets (Tatooine, Yavin 4, Hoth, Dagobah, Bespin, Endor), an oppressive, perpetual state of simple Good vs Evil conflict, and then some old people talking about a previous era/key events that left us wondering and that we were not able to see until 1999/2002/2005...

the original trilogy is currenly the only films that I own in blu-ray; I own Episode III in DVD and then I downloaded and edited Episodes I and II; that much explains which is the trilogy that I prefer...

that said, I can see why some folks may prefer the prequels; after all, the prequels were all about Anakin(Vader), Palpatine(Sidious), Yoda and Obi-Wan, BY FAR more interesting/important characters than the original starring roles (with the only exception of Luke, a character rooted in the legacy of Yoda-Anakin-Obi-Wan, anyway); I think Leia may reach her true potential in the new trilogy

we'll see

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JoeTyler said:

the only thing that may be more enjoyable about the prequels is the fact that they show galactic politics, the Jedi Order and a bigger, brighter universe/galaxy, whereas the original trilogy basically featured some planets (Tatooine, Yavin 4, Hoth, Dagobah, Bespin, Endor), an oppressive, perpetual state of simple Good vs Evil conflict, and then some old people talking about a previous era/key events that left us wondering and that we were not able to see until 1999/2002/2005...

the original trilogy is currenly the only films that I own in blu-ray; I own Episode III in DVD and then I downloaded and edited Episodes I and II; that much explains which is the trilogy that I prefer...

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Yeah but how much of a personal thing is it beyond the mere appreciation of the films 4 what they r? What role did the original trilogy play in ur life and the new one too? How old were u? The mere fact that you BOTHERED editing the new ones show that u have a pretty intense relationship with SW (unless u edit all the movies u dislike but that'd b a hell of a hobby )

databank said:

JoeTyler said:

the only thing that may be more enjoyable about the prequels is the fact that they show galactic politics, the Jedi Order and a bigger, brighter universe/galaxy, whereas the original trilogy basically featured some planets (Tatooine, Yavin 4, Hoth, Dagobah, Bespin, Endor), an oppressive, perpetual state of simple Good vs Evil conflict, and then some old people talking about a previous era/key events that left us wondering and that we were not able to see until 1999/2002/2005...

the original trilogy is currenly the only films that I own in blu-ray; I own Episode III in DVD and then I downloaded and edited Episodes I and II; that much explains which is the trilogy that I prefer...

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Yeah but how much of a personal thing is it beyond the mere appreciation of the films 4 what they r? What role did the original trilogy play in ur life and the new one too? How old were u? The mere fact that you BOTHERED editing the new ones show that u have a pretty intense relationship with SW (unless u edit all the movies u dislike but that'd b a hell of a hobby )

I admit that editing many movies in the era of internet/powerful RAM computers is a personal hobby of mine

I'll be damned if I wanna watch again the POINTLESS slapstick/unfunny jokes of Jar Jar or the sickening "teen love story" that was the first half of Episode II...

I'm 29, the original trilogy is easily the first films I watched in VHS, back in 1990-91 (nearly 6 years old), the prequels were like some BIG episodes of my late teenagehood (15-20 yo), but even then I was able to see the flaws

that said, Episode III was nearly PERFECT and turned me into a HARDCORE SW fan again, in fact, I'll take EpIII over VI any day of the week...

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I usually watch the 6 movies every 2-3 years, easily

this is the order I follow

Episode IV (1977 original)

Episode V (1997 version)

Episode I (edit)

Episode II (edit)

the clone wars (the cartoon network show, not the 2008-2012 crap)

Episode III

Episode VI (1997 version)

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JoeTyler said:

I usually watch the 6 movies every 2-3 years, easily

this is the order I follow

Episode IV (1977 original)

Episode V (1997 version)

Episode I (edit)

Episode II (edit)

the clone wars (the cartoon network show, not the 2008-2012 crap)

Episode III

Episode VI (1997 version)

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As u may know now the Cartoon Network show is Legends continuity while the 2008-2013 series is Canon (it's Legends status is unsure now but as it contradicted many previous Clone Wars stories it may be safe to assume it's going to be removed from Legends continuity).

I think the difference between the classic SW Trilogy (Eps. IV, V, VI) and the prequel trilogy (I, II, III) is that the classic trilogy came out at a time where it was fresh, not only thematically, but cinematically. At the time the classic trilogy was made, no sci-Fi movie (or for that case, any other movie) was made with such a huge budget and such attention to detail. And when those movies came out they wowed audiences.

Contrast that to the prequel trilogy. When Episode I came out, the special effects in the classic trilogy that wowed people in the late 70's and early 80's was already dated. Plus CGI was already being used extensively in many blockbuster movies. In addition, the success of the classic trilogy spawned a huge industry of origin stories and related books/graphic novels, etc. So the fanbase was already engrossed in these side stories, and if the prequels did not live up to all of those elements, they were doomed to be a disappointment, if not failure. Despite the presence of Jar Jar Binks and the wooden acting of young Anakin, I thought Episode I wasn't nearly as bad as the fanboys claim it was. I thought Episode II was actually inferior to Episode I, particularly the hamhanded way they dealt with the love story between Anakin Skywalker and Padme Amidala. But the saving graces of that movie were the introduction of Jonga Fett (Bobba Fett's father) and Yoda's kickass light saber fight sequence. Episode III, however, was a worthy successor to the classic trilogy, and I thought it ranked just behind Episode V (The Empire Strikes Back) as the best of the Star Wars movies.

I never had a problem with II or III, but episode I still sucks ass.

Episodes IV & V were classic (V being the best). The series jumped-the-shark with 'Return of the Care Bears' and hasn't been the same since.

And WTF did Lucas see in Hayden Christensen?

OnlyNDaUsa said:

I, II, and III need to be scraped and remade.

Oh I think so too! But what do you do about Jar Jar? Count Dooku and his flying moped, all of the other terrible characters and plot points? I think the hole where they just uncovered the Atari E.T. games needs to be filled back up with episodes 1-3 and maybe in 30 years someone can dig them out and maybe figured out what to do with them then.


What evil vilian rides his pink Vespa to make his getaway?

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can i commit blasphemy here and admit i never saw the first three movies!!! (GASP). A friend of mine who was flabbergasted by such incredulousness MADE me go with him to the EVENT MOVIE that was Episode I... I was like okaaaaay. It did result in me seeing II and III. Best thing about I though was the movie poster (of the boy Anakin and DV as his shadow in the sand). I think I'm curious about the new movies.

V10LETBLUES said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

I, II, and III need to be scraped and remade.

Oh I think so too! But what do you do about Jar Jar? Count Dooku and his flying moped, all of the other terrible characters and plot points? I think the hole where they just uncovered the Atari E.T. games needs to be filled back up with episodes 1-3 and maybe in 30 years someone can dig them out and maybe figured out what to do with them then.


What evil vilian rides his pink Vespa to make his getaway?

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Count Dooku was very energy conscience.

Back in 1990 I rented the laserdiscs of Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi and edited them into Star Wars 2 on SVHS because I have a few problems with Empire, and a lot of problems with Return of the Jedi. I do enjoy watching any of the prequels more than Return of the Jedi. I think that's the worst of all six.

If you just pretend that the Ewoks are Wookies, which they were originally suppose to be, ROTJ is much easier to enjoy.

Seriously the back and forth of Vader(Evil) vs Luke(Good) and whats going on Endor with the Nature(Good) vs Technology(Evil) works wonderfully. Only after Luke realizes that Han and Company has destroyed the force field does he reject the dark side and become a Jedi.

ufoclub said:

Back in 1990 I rented the laserdiscs of Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi and edited them into Star Wars 2 on SVHS because I have a few problems with Empire, and a lot of problems with Return of the Jedi. I do enjoy watching any of the prequels more than Return of the Jedi. I think that's the worst of all six.

Wow, problems with Empire Strikes Back? Like what?

That one is my favorite out of all 3

lazycrockett said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

ufoclub said:

Back in 1990 I rented the laserdiscs of Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi and edited them into Star Wars 2 on SVHS because I have a few problems with Empire, and a lot of problems with Return of the Jedi. I do enjoy watching any of the prequels more than Return of the Jedi. I think that's the worst of all six.

Wow, problems with Empire Strikes Back? Like what?

That one is my favorite out of all 3

foremost, the Force is a religion. no flying thingy hocus pocus

I know we've all come to accpet this with the later movies, but it was not the original idea in 1977

oh and another thing is the unlcear/confusing timeline of the parallell story arcs of Han+Leia and Luke+Yoda. are we talking days? weeks? months? years?

but don't get me wrong, it's still a great movie though

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Dancelot said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Wow, problems with Empire Strikes Back? Like what?

That one is my favorite out of all 3

foremost, the Force is a religion. no flying thingy hocus pocus

I know we've all come to accpet this with the later movies, but it was not the original idea in 1977

oh and another thing is the unlcear/confusing timeline of the parallell story arcs of Han+Leia and Luke+Yoda. are we talking days? weeks? months? years?

but don't get me wrong, it's still a great movie though

the answer of the time line is simple:The Falcon flew threw a plot hole allowing Luke to training and allow Han and the others to get to Bespin in short order.


But really it does show another big mess up with the prequels. It was not until way later that the idea that kids would be taken from their family to receive a life time of training. Not needed. Another change they seemed to make between ANH and ESB was the Emperor. I do not think he was a Sith in ANH. (read the Preface to Star Wars).

But yeah there were big changes (such as Vader being Luke's father) between Star Wars and Empire.

There were MORE for the prequels.

OldFriends4Sale said:

ufoclub said:

Back in 1990 I rented the laserdiscs of Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi and edited them into Star Wars 2 on SVHS because I have a few problems with Empire, and a lot of problems with Return of the Jedi. I do enjoy watching any of the prequels more than Return of the Jedi. I think that's the worst of all six.

Wow, problems with Empire Strikes Back? Like what?

That one is my favorite out of all 3

Yes, ha, I was such a hard core Star Wars fan, reading the novelization, collecting the magazines and books (before Empire) that when Empire came out, things felt wrong. For example: A literal ghost image of Obi-wan. The voice in the head was such a big strong part of Star Wars... and then they made it a literal glowing ghost. That seemed weaker. I cut out Obi-wan's ghost image, left in his voice at times.

Dancelot said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Wow, problems with Empire Strikes Back? Like what?

That one is my favorite out of all 3

foremost, the Force is a religion. no flying thingy hocus pocus

I know we've all come to accpet this with the later movies, but it was not the original idea in 1977

oh and another thing is the unlcear/confusing timeline of the parallell story arcs of Han+Leia and Luke+Yoda. are we talking days? weeks? months? years?

but don't get me wrong, it's still a great movie though

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No, it is more that that. *another flaw they made was that people alive during the time of the Jedi just forgot!? But then again (another huge error) was that there were only 10,000 jedi. That would mean that most people would never see one.)

But with Luke seeing with his eyes closed. With jedi Mind Tricks! With Ben talking after being killed (I still want to know was the deal that he waw clearly GONE before the saber hit him an issuw with efectcs or was he already vanishing?). So we have some uses of 'magic' powers in Star Wars.

ufoclub said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Wow, problems with Empire Strikes Back? Like what?

That one is my favorite out of all 3

Yes, ha, I was such a hard core Star Wars fan, reading the novelization, collecting the magazines and books (before Empire) that when Empire came out, things felt wrong. For example: A literal ghost image of Obi-wan. The voice in the head was such a big strong part of Star Wars... and then they made it a literal glowing ghost. That seemed weaker. I cut out Obi-wan's ghost image, left in his voice at times.

the good old days when the force was a rock!

OnlyNDaUsa said:

Dancelot said:

foremost, the Force is a religion. no flying thingy hocus pocus

I know we've all come to accpet this with the later movies, but it was not the original idea in 1977

oh and another thing is the unlcear/confusing timeline of the parallell story arcs of Han+Leia and Luke+Yoda. are we talking days? weeks? months? years?

but don't get me wrong, it's still a great movie though

the answer of the time line is simple:The Falcon flew threw a plot hole allowing Luke to training and allow Han and the others to get to Bespin in short order.


But really it does show another big mess up with the prequels. It was not until way later that the idea that kids would be taken from their family to receive a life time of training. Not needed. Another change they seemed to make between ANH and ESB was the Emperor. I do not think he was a Sith in ANH. (read the Preface to Star Wars).

But yeah there were big changes (such as Vader being Luke's father) between Star Wars and Empire.

There were MORE for the prequels.

No this officially cleared by Lucasfilm: it took about a month for Han and Leia to travel from the Asteroid field to Bespin. So we go back and forth from events NOT happening at the exact same time but during a same time frame between Hoth and Bespin. Makes sense.

Please those of u who edit SW (and other) movies, DON'T share ur edits online.

databank said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

the answer of the time line is simple:The Falcon flew threw a plot hole allowing Luke to training and allow Han and the others to get to Bespin in short order.


But really it does show another big mess up with the prequels. It was not until way later that the idea that kids would be taken from their family to receive a life time of training. Not needed. Another change they seemed to make between ANH and ESB was the Emperor. I do not think he was a Sith in ANH. (read the Preface to Star Wars).

But yeah there were big changes (such as Vader being Luke's father) between Star Wars and Empire.

There were MORE for the prequels.

No this officially cleared by Lucasfilm: it took about a month for Han and Leia to travel from the Asteroid field to Bespin. So we go back and forth from events NOT happening at the exact same time but during a same time frame between Hoth and Bespin. Makes sense.

yeah but it is not good for the joke. I think they also suggested that there was a back up hyper-drive or that the sub light were still really fast. But where is the Astroid field in relation to Hoth? I would think that if Hoth was that close to Bespin (a month at sub light) seems Han would have realized that. And any system would be light years away. That is one part that I really take issue with... but it is still my favorite movie.