lust said:

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from what i've read, the crust is stabilized by the fact that it's hundreds of miles thick, as well as by centripetal force

But, what about the magnetic field that protects us from solar winds. Is that not reliant on the iron core of the solid earth model?

well, as i understand this, according to hollow earth theory there still IS a molten iron core in the earth, however it is just not housed in an entirely solid body; in addition the earth generates an electromagnetic field in and of itself molten core notwithstanding, as most rotating bodies tend to do.

http://arxiv.org/abs/1403.2248

http://journals.aps.org/pra/abstract/10.1103/PhysRevA.89.032124

i wonder how a person would go about obtaining funding for an expedition? grant proposal maybe?

I'm more in line of the "concave" hollow-Earth hypothesis. I think it would be cool to make a movie about this.

it would be cool to document a fly-over

What does the sun that is in there consist of? Is it small enough to fit inside the Earth and at the same time powerful enough to generate enough light and warmth? Do they have winters and summer? I suppose not. And the poor people living there, when they look up, they don't see the sky but only rocks.

Phishanga said:

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lust said:

Phishanga said:

What does the sun that is in there consist of? Is it small enough to fit inside the Earth and at the same time powerful enough to generate enough light and warmth? Do they have winters and summer? I suppose not. And the poor people living there, when they look up, they don't see the sky but only rocks.

No day or night either. Just permanent day. [Edited 5/25/14 11:02am]

Unless of course the sun there happens to stay in one place while the core turns. Or the core doesn't turn and the sun travels around. What utter bollocks.

lust said:

XxAxX said:

it would be cool to document a fly-over

You should do it. I've done some googling and you can do it very affordably. EK 225. Emirates flight 225 from Dubai to San Fran uses the polar route. Look at a globe and you'll see the shortest route and straightest line takes you over the pole. The hollow earth theory holds that the aperture of the entrance is 90miles across. EK225 gets to within 300 miles of the North Pole and has a cruising altitude of 39,000 ft. At that altitude, the horizon is 234 miles away. The opening to the hole however is said to start sloping in some 445 miles from the North Pole placing ek225 right over the hole giving a view right into it. On route to Dubai, sit on the left side of the plane. On the way back, sit in the right. . I'd suggest doing it twice, once in winter and once in summer so you get to see it in the "daytime" and at "night". The former will give you the view of the hole, the later should give an incredible view of the 90 mile wide beam of light that I assume would emanate from the aperture from the inner sun and high into the atmosphere, Though I assume such a beam would permanently be visible in the far distance to scandinavia's northern most communities. . If you can't afford a trip like this, I suppose you could ask crew and passengers what they experienced.

there are youtube clips and first person accounts of those who claim to have witnessed the phenomenon themselves. a respectable airline pilot who wished not to be identified recounted an interesting story of the green mountains and waterfalls therein.

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lust said:

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there are youtube clips and first person accounts of those who claim to have witnessed the phenomenon themselves. a respectable airline pilot who wished not to be identified recounted an interesting story of the green mountains and waterfalls therein.

I imagine there are 10s of thousands of eye witness reports due to this daily flight by Emirates. You should take that flight. The view would be like nothing else imagined. Are there any photos of it out there. What with all those passengers and their cameras?

yes, there does seem to be some visual evidence of this phenomenon. which i'm sure by now you've researched

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lust said:

XxAxX said:

yes, there does seem to be some visual evidence of this phenomenon. which i'm sure by now you've researched

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Thanks for the edit. The rest was a bit mean. I'm not trying to be a dick and take the piss like I've done in the past. I think it's obvious that I'm Skeptical but this is the first time I've really been aware of the theory so I'm curious of the mechanics wether I believe it or not. Have I researched it? No. I've spent an hour or so googling the theory and looking at supporting YouTube clips but I wouldn't call this research. It's just reading confirming opinions of others. The closest I've come to research was searching for a polar commercial flight. It's distance from the pole, the visibility distance from it's cruising altitude and such. I'd LOVE this to be true. Or anything like this to be true. To be alive when there is a massive paradigm shift in what we "know" is a dream for me. But I'm going to question claims like this as I agree with Sagan when he said "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" I tried to find the pilot you mentioned but couldn't. Can you link it? All I found was a guy who claimed to have been told by a Delta pilot about the hole but the pilot didn't want to lose his job but I'm guessing there's a more convincing and first hand account?

you're welcome for the edit. that was done despite the fact that we have had ORGers who've left the org over discussions like this (and others) which have gone south. i'm glad you aren't simply here to mock the idea; i really don't know whether the hollow earth theory is true, however, as i recall you are not much of a fan of david icke and his studies of human history?

you say you want to believe, and that you would love for the hollow earth theory to be true. at the risk of incurring your extreme mockery, i would recommend this reading material:

http://www.slideshare.net/DavidIcke/david-icke-children-of-the-matrix-how-an-interdimensional-race-has-controlled-the-world-for-thousands-of-yearsand-still-does

it requires an extremely open mind while reading but it meshes well with what little recorded history we have and explains a lot. many of my own personal conclusions (the nature of time, interdimensional worlds comprising what we currently call 'dark matter and dark energy') are outlined here in mr. icke's treatise.

it also explains why there is an 10,000 plus year old radioactive blast field in jodphur india (what?) and about beings who inhabit the hollow earth, complete with maps drawn of what lies underneath the ice of antarctica, maps which were drawn hundreds of years ago.

personally, i believe that human history was lost to us around 12,000 BC. the hudson bay meteor impact maybe, or something else. (mr icke theorizes that interdimensional beings/aliens waged war on each other and caused the earth's crust to destabilize, this account is confirmed by the indian mahabharata along with other similar ancient texts; we do know that the poles shifted by many miles around then by our study of magnetized iron compounds and core sample studies of the same)

at any rate i have no doubt whatsoever that humankind did not abrutly develop civilization from sumeria in 6,000 BC. that's plain ridiculous to my way of thinking. something cataclysmic almost wiped us out about 12,000 years ago, and along with it our knowledge of our own history.

to be clear, i am not sure i agree with everything mr icke has to say but i'm impressed with his studies of comparative religion and mythology. in my personal opinion, when so many of the legends and religious mythology from all over the planet seem to correspond with one another in substance, these overlapping accounts are well worth another look

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theoretically of course, we're talking about an advanced and ancient race of humanoids who do now and for millenia have inhabited a region of the earth we have yet to explore. i'm guessing the likelihood of "seeing" something from the window of a jetliner is not particularly high right?

it seems clear you have yet to read the mythology behind this particular hypothesis. i recommend you start with the bhagavadgita, move on to sumerian mythology, then the bible, then study the native american indian creation mythology. provided you take the time to read up on these, you will have more in the way of answers to questions like that one

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not reasonable, no. you refuse to educate yourself on the topic and yet here you are, once again taking the piss.

the problem with what you bring to this thread is that discussing ancient religious mythology with someone you is like discussing haute cuisine with someone who has spent a lifetime dining solely on big macs.

not only have you no background on the subject, and simply refuse to acquire any, but you further insist on remaining at table only to burp and fart your way through the conversation.

tell you what, i will create a thread just for you. something easily attainable and which requires no study whatsoever. you will be able to sink your teeth right into the new topic from the start!

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to the extent that you are truly offended, i do apologize. but from my point of view, i'm not being defensive so much as i am feeling impatience with your approach.

to whit, i've listed reading material you can make use of to answer your own questions, therefore, why would you expect or even want ME to answer your questions? isn't that somewhat like a child holding a math textbook but refusing to open the book while still asking what 2 + 2 is?

yes, it;s quite possible that i am rude, abrupt and not polished enough when it comes to interacting like this. please understand that i do value your input, you are a bright guy and usually have interesting opinions to offer.

i guess on this particular thread, i am looking for a discussion from those who might already have ideas about this topic, and who might have already studied the subject matter at least a little bit. (Graycap where did you go?) because i am not seeking to prove anything, and i'd rather talk about what is already known, in the hope that someone else knows more about it.

at this point in human civilization's 'scientific development' we only understand 4% of the universe, and that leaves 96% we cannot explain and don't understand. what if the old legends are actually true?? wouldn't that be super cool?

the hollow earth theory is divergent; some think there are other dimensions co-existing around and right through us (dark energy/dark matter) that there is an eternal space-time continuum where 'time' as we think of it does not exist. what little humankind currently knows of quantum physics seems to support some of these strange ideas.

there are still vast, unexplored regions of planet earth containing things we don't know much about like, for example the huge bodies of water deep within the earth's crust that have been so recently discovered. http://www.thewire.com/gl...ir/359108/ clearly, we don't even know what's down there yet.

anyway, if you DO happen to read the source material and find that you simply disagree with it all and think the whole notion is simply totally whack, that's okay. (an advanced race of technologically superior beings living in the hollow earth?) we can agree to disagree, and the world is a more interesting place for it. you would not be the first person to have some doubts about this particular topic. it is pretty far out, after all.

then again, the catholic church most interestingly has recently asserted that it is not unlikely that there are other intelligent beings in our universe. i find this intriguing, especially when we remember how long it took the church to forgive copernicus and galileo for their radical idea that the earth might not be central to the solar system....

again, i apologize for my rude shortcomings, if i had a lot of time i would link to each specific article and journal; i am not a very patient person, this is clearly something i need to work on. a lot.

here are a few pictures which may, or may not, support a hollow earth theory. according to ancient legends, the entrances to the hollow earth are hidden not only at the poles, but all around the earth and underwater as well. perhaps these are only sinkholes leading to underground cave systems. but just maybe they are more .....

according to legend, some other places where entrances to the hollow earth can be found are rumored to be:

Kentucky Mammoth Cave, in south-central Kentucky, US

Mount Shasta, California, US - the Agharthean city of Telos allegedly exists within and beneath this mountain.

Manaus, Brazil.

Mato Grosso, Brazil - the city of Posid supposedly lies beneath this plain.

Iguaçú Falls, border or Brazil and Argentina.

Mount Epomeo, Italy.

Himalayan Mountains, Tibet - the entrance to the underground city of Shonshe is allegedly guarded by Hindu monks.

Mongolia - the underground city of Shingwa allegedly exists beneath the border of Mongolia and China.

Rama, India - beneath this surface city is a long lost subterranean city, they say, also named Rama.

Pyramid of Giza, Egypt.King Solomon's Mines.Dero Caves,

North and South Poles.

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so much of human history has been lost. we are told that human civilization began roughly 7,000 years ago in ancient sumeria, in the region known as the mesopotamian valley. but what if that era was simply the re-birth of a devastated planet?

we know that a great flood swept the planet thousands of years ago because the legends of the native american indians, the incans, sumerians and stories contained in the bible tell us so (among others). but what if there were ancient civilizations which existed long before the great flood?

the "legend" of one of these great civilizations is that of atlantis. at one point in time we believed that the existence of atlantis was only a myth, recorded by Plato in his memory of socrates' dialogues with timaeus and critias.

according to the story, the great civilization of atlantis sank into the sea, along with the land upon which it was located, in a single day and night during a flood event much like that described in sumerian epic of gilgamesh and also in the bible:

http://classics.mit.edu/Plato/timaeus.html

critias: "Many great and wonderful deeds are recorded of your state in our histories. But one of them exceeds all the rest in greatness and valour. For these histories tell of a mighty power which unprovoked made an expedition against the whole of Europe and Asia, and to which your city put an end. This power came forth out of the Atlantic Ocean, for in those days the Atlantic was navigable; and there was an island situated in front of the straits which are by you called the Pillars of Heracles; the island was larger than Libya and Asia put together, and was the way to other islands, and from these you might pass to the whole of the opposite continent which surrounded the true ocean; for this sea which is within the Straits of Heracles is only a harbour, having a narrow entrance, but that other is a real sea, and the surrounding land may be most truly called a boundless continent. Now in this island of Atlantis there was a great and wonderful empire which had rule over the whole island and several others, and over parts of the continent, and, furthermore, the men of Atlantis had subjected the parts of Libya within the columns of Heracles as far as Egypt, and of Europe as far as Tyrrhenia. This vast power, gathered into one, endeavoured to subdue at a blow our country and yours and the whole of the region within the straits; and then, Solon, your country shone forth, in the excellence of her virtue and strength, among all mankind. She was pre-eminent in courage and military skill, and was the leader of the Hellenes. And when the rest fell off from her, being compelled to stand alone, after having undergone the very extremity of danger, she defeated and triumphed over the invaders, and preserved from slavery those who were not yet subjugated, and generously liberated all the rest of us who dwell within the pillars. But afterwards there occurred violent earthquakes and floods; and in a single day and night of misfortune all your warlike men in a body sank into the earth, and the island of Atlantis in like manner disappeared in the depths of the sea. For which reason the sea in those parts is impassable and impenetrable, because there is a shoal of mud in the way; and this was caused by the subsidence of the island.

today, now that we finally have the technology and capacity to actually see what lies under the oceans and seas, we are discovering the submerged ruins of civilizations which do, in fact, pre-date sumeria by thousands of years. it is clear that there are civilizations which date back to times when glaciers had not yet melted, raising sea levels by hundreds of feet.

in fact, as of 2014, it is possible we have actually located the city of atlantis itself:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NjG-h2XiwE

so what if the other legends are true? that the lost civilization of atlantis was part of the hollow earth civilization and culture?

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Anyone read Mike Grell's Warlord comics? That takes place inside a hollow earth.

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^there are a LOT of folk stories and legends, around the world, which feature a hollow earth. thanks for the tip about the warlord comics. worth a look!

lust, come on back and let's arm wrestle some more....

XxAxX said:

lust, come on back and let's arm wrestle some more....

Have you noticed the awesome opening titles of Game Of Thrones? It portays the world it's set in as being on the inside of a spehere with the sun in the middle. Apparently the books don't profess this but the imagery is very cool. I'd like to see a movie based on these theories set on and in our world.

I have to be honest, I've not had a chance to look at the sources you sugested.

lust said:

XxAxX said:

lust, come on back and let's arm wrestle some more....

Have you noticed the awesome opening titles of Game Of Thrones? It portays the world it's set in as being on the inside of a spehere with the sun in the middle. Apparently the books don't profess this but the imagery is very cool. I'd like to see a movie based on these theories set on and in our world.

I have to be honest, I've not had a chance to look at the sources you sugested.

cool! thank you for the tips about GOT. i love it when pop culture beguins to echo ancient legend.

it's okay if you don't want to check out the sources i listed. i was obviously being grumpy at you and i'm sorry for that. that stuff all took me many long hours to read. basically, it boils down to: there are numerous legends, folk stories, myths and really old written accounts from all over the planet about the hollow/middle earth. some myths tie the middle earth denizens to aliens who are the source of flying saucers, some tie them to an ancient race of humans as mentioned in the bible a/k/a 'giants, who live for hundreds of years

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