So OK these r just kids but still...

I'm good friends with the stray dogs in my street, I feed them and pet them and they're totally friendly. One female has had 4 babies lately and of course being her friend I'm totally allowed to go near them and touch them.

The other day I was with the dogs and a kid comes to me, about 10 or 12, and tells me "be careful, these dogs r dangerous: one kid tried to take a baby the other day and the mom bit him".

So basically a kid the dog had never seen before tries to kindnap a puppy and she bites him and SHE is the dangerous one!

I just told the kid that the dogs were my friends and they'd never bite me but deep down I really felt like telling him "no, u stupid, these dogs are not dangerous: they're just clever enough to protect their babies from total strangers!"

I find it really sad how most people still think of animals as being brainless machines when they, just like us, protect their interests and can establish complex interspecies relationships with some individuals while at the same time being suspicious of unknown other individuals.

[Edited 3/27/14 2:00am]

databank said:

So OK these r just kids but still...

I'm good friends with the stray dogs in my street, I feed them and pet them and they're totally friendly. One female has had 4 babies lately and of course being her friend I'm totally allowed to go near them and touch them.

The other day I was with the dogs and a kid comes to me, about 10 or 12, and tells me "be careful, these dogs r dangerous: one kid tried to take a baby the other day and the mom bit him".

So basically a kid the dog had never seen before tries to kindnap a puppy and she bites him and SHE is the dangerous one!

I just told the kid that the dogs were my friends and they'd never bite me but deep down I really felt like telling him "no, u stupid, these dogs are not dangerous: they're just clever enough to protect their babies from total strangers!"

I find it really sad how most people still think of animals as being brainless machines when they, just like us, protect their interests and can establish complex interspecies relationships with some individuals while at the same time being suspicious of unknown other individuals.

[Edited 3/27/14 2:00am]

great story...sort of like when this stray cat took residence in my garage ...had babies....and took care of them ...then they died cause of the brutal ny weather and the mother wouldnt eat anymore

databank said:

So OK these r just kids but still...

I'm good friends with the stray dogs in my street, I feed them and pet them and they're totally friendly. One female has had 4 babies lately and of course being her friend I'm totally allowed to go near them and touch them.

The other day I was with the dogs and a kid comes to me, about 10 or 12, and tells me "be careful, these dogs r dangerous: one kid tried to take a baby the other day and the mom bit him".

So basically a kid the dog had never seen before tries to kindnap a puppy and she bites him and SHE is the dangerous one!

I just told the kid that the dogs were my friends and they'd never bite me but deep down I really felt like telling him "no, u stupid, these dogs are not dangerous: they're just clever enough to protect their babies from total strangers!"

I find it really sad how most people still think of animals as being brainless machines when they, just like us, protect their interests and can establish complex interspecies relationships with some individuals while at the same time being suspicious of unknown other individuals.

Instead of judging a 10-year-old for what s/he doesn't know, why didn't you explain why the dog bit the person who tried to take one of her pups?

And wouldn't a real dog "friend," take the strays to a shelter or pay to get them spayed/neutered?

Genesia said:

databank said:

So OK these r just kids but still...

I'm good friends with the stray dogs in my street, I feed them and pet them and they're totally friendly. One female has had 4 babies lately and of course being her friend I'm totally allowed to go near them and touch them.

The other day I was with the dogs and a kid comes to me, about 10 or 12, and tells me "be careful, these dogs r dangerous: one kid tried to take a baby the other day and the mom bit him".

So basically a kid the dog had never seen before tries to kindnap a puppy and she bites him and SHE is the dangerous one!

I just told the kid that the dogs were my friends and they'd never bite me but deep down I really felt like telling him "no, u stupid, these dogs are not dangerous: they're just clever enough to protect their babies from total strangers!"

I find it really sad how most people still think of animals as being brainless machines when they, just like us, protect their interests and can establish complex interspecies relationships with some individuals while at the same time being suspicious of unknown other individuals.

Instead of judging a 10-year-old for what s/he doesn't know, why didn't you explain why the dog bit the person who tried to take one of her pups?

And wouldn't a real dog "friend," take the strays to a shelter or pay to get them spayed/neutered?

I agree, there a places everywhere that you can notify and they will come to your area, find the strays spay/neuter them, give them shots and let them go

.

There is a group where I live called Friends of Furry Friends and they do that.

.

I would try to get them somewhere safe. Because they will always be exposed to human/natural dangers

SuperSoulFighter said:

Humans have a strange hate/love relationship with animals. It's been like that at least since the ancient Egyptians with their animal-headed gods. In the modern age we cuddle our cats and dogs and put our cows and pigs in the bio industry. The boy you're talking about probably wanted to pick up the puppy because it looked so cute. I can't blame a child for not thinking about that. Best thing to do is to just tell the kids that no animal will harm you if you leave it alone. Except malaria moquitos of course.

Isn't it because we don't eat cat and dog, except in parts of Asia and Australia

.

Many people have cows, sheep, chickens, goats, donkeys as pets/farm animals. They don't eat them, they get dairy, eggs, work, wool out of them. In farm life, even cats and dogs have to work for their 'keep'

.

I don't think it's a love/hate situation. It's more biological than we want to admit.

Why are people so lackadaisical about stray animals?

Where are you located, databank?

imagine how they feel about people...

luvsexy4all said:

imagine how they feel about people...

What is this supposed to mean?

JustErin said:

luvsexy4all said:

imagine how they feel about people...

What is this supposed to mean?

they probably r just as cold

luvsexy4all said:

JustErin said:

What is this supposed to mean?

they probably r just as cold

Who are "they"?

OldFriends4Sale said:

Genesia said:

Instead of judging a 10-year-old for what s/he doesn't know, why didn't you explain why the dog bit the person who tried to take one of her pups?

And wouldn't a real dog "friend," take the strays to a shelter or pay to get them spayed/neutered?

I agree, there a places everywhere that you can notify and they will come to your area, find the strays spay/neuter them, give them shots and let them go

.

There is a group where I live called Friends of Furry Friends and they do that.

.

I would try to get them somewhere safe. Because they will always be exposed to human/natural dangers

Because I live in India. (Good question Erin )

They're very much safe when it comes to be harmed by humans: u c dogs and goats and cows and cats sleeping in the middle of the road and Indian car drivers are extremely careful never to kill them, and they're fed by many people not just me. You never, EVER see a roadkill. It's a completely different conception of animal/human cohabitation here: they do their thing and we do ours and sometimes we interact but the idea is to share the land because humans, even if they are the dominant species (and it's clear to EVERYONE in the animal community), have no right to claim that stray animals shouldn't be here and expell or kill them unless they become a major nuisance. But when they're sick and die in the street people ain't gonna take them home or to the vet no more than they'll take other humans home or to a doc if they're dying at their doorstep. It's how things are, you help a bit but everyone's on their own in the end. I've seen sick dogs in TERRIBLE conditions and no one will help. On the other hand I've seen humans in terrible conditions and no one will help either. Now India isn't like in the movies: there are no beggars or people dying in the street where I live, it's not like it's everywhere, but it exists and I've seen it.

If "my" dogs get sick I'll go to a vet, describe the symptoms and get them a treatment if I can bring the treatment to them and give them (I can't make an injection but I can spray them for skin disease for example) but I can't take them to a vet: they wouldn't follow me out of their territory and it's not like I can grab them and force them, but there are no such things as shelter and people comming to spray and sterilize them and shit here, this isn't Disneyland like home, it's a third world country. And I can't take them home and make them domestic dogs because for one thing I think they enjoy their freedom and even more than that because I'm changing country every 2 years and I can't take any animal with me. But believe me I've lived in Cambodia where they do roadkill for the fun of it (I've seen it, and sometimes they even do it with people, too), so animals in India are hardly more miserable than the poorest classes of humans, maybe even less in some ways.

My point when I started this thread wasn't the animals' condition anyway, it was the lack of empathy that humans have towards them, the way most people still have this outdated cartesian vision of them that science totally contradicts nowadays. I'm shocked by people's view of animals in the absolute. One of my student told me the other day that if we didn't eat animals they wouldn't exist (!), another told me that they have no intellectual capacities at all (!!) and that they can't feel pain (!!!). They don't make this up, it comes from the parents or the teachers or the media or the community (those students are westerners not Indians). I'm not judging 10 years-old for what they don't know, I'm judging the human community as a whole for not teaching their children what it now knows.

Oh, and I'm veg so I don't eat them cows and pigs

[Edited 3/27/14 9:36am]

databank said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I agree, there a places everywhere that you can notify and they will come to your area, find the strays spay/neuter them, give them shots and let them go

.

There is a group where I live called Friends of Furry Friends and they do that.

.

I would try to get them somewhere safe. Because they will always be exposed to human/natural dangers

Because I live in India. (Good question Erin )

They're very much safe when it comes to be harmed by humans: u c dogs and goats and cows and cats sleeping in the middle of the road and Indian car drivers are extremely careful never to kill them, and they're fed by many people not just me. You never, EVER see a roadkill. It's a completely different conception of animal/human cohabitation here: they do their thing and we do ours and sometimes we interact but the idea is to share the land because humans, even if they are the dominant species (and it's clear to EVERYONE in the animal community), have no right to claim that stray animals shouldn't be here and expell or kill them unless they become a major nuisance. But when they're sick and die in the street people ain't gonna take them home or to the vet no more than they'll take other humans home or to a doc if they're dying at their doorstep. It's how things are, you help a bit but everyone's on their own in the end. I've seen sick dogs in TERRIBLE conditions and no one will help. On the other hand I've seen humans in terrible conditions and no one will help either. Now India isn't like in the movies: there are no beggars or people dying in the street where I live, it's not like it's everywhere, but it exists and I've seen it.

If "my" dogs get sick I'll go to a vet, describe the symptoms and get them a treatment if I can bring the treatment to them and give them (I can't make an injection but I can spray them for skin disease for example) but I can't take them to a vet: they wouldn't follow me out of their territory and it's not like I can grab them and force them, but there are no such things as shelter and people comming to spray and sterilize them and shit here, this isn't Disneyland like home, it's a third world country. And I can't take them home and make them domestic dogs because for one thing I think they enjoy their freedom and even more than that because I'm changing country every 2 years and I can't take any animal with me. But believe me I've lived in Cambodia where they do roadkill for the fun of it (I've seen it, and sometimes they even do it with people, too), so animals in India are hardly more miserable than the poorest classes of humans, maybe even less in some ways.

My point when I started this thread wasn't the animals' condition anyway, it was the lack of empathy that humans have towards them, the way most people still have this outdated cartesian vision of them that science totally contradicts nowadays. I'm shocked by people's view of animals in the absolute. One of my student told me the other day that if we didn't eat animals they wouldn't exist (!), another told me that they have no intellectual capacities at all (!!) and that they can't feel pain (!!!). They don't make this up, it comes from the parents or the teachers or the media or the community (those students are westerners not Indians). I'm not judging 10 years-old for what they don't know, I'm judging the human community as a whole for not teaching their children what it now knows.

Oh, and I'm veg so I don't eat them cows and pigs

[Edited 3/27/14 9:36am]

This is why I asked where you were. It makes more sense now.

OldFriends4Sale said:

Genesia said:

Instead of judging a 10-year-old for what s/he doesn't know, why didn't you explain why the dog bit the person who tried to take one of her pups?

And wouldn't a real dog "friend," take the strays to a shelter or pay to get them spayed/neutered?

I agree, there a places everywhere that you can notify and they will come to your area, find the strays spay/neuter them, give them shots and let them go

.

There is a group where I live called Friends of Furry Friends and they do that.

.

I would try to get them somewhere safe. Because they will always be exposed to human/natural dangers

There are places that will capture homeless dogs and cats, spay/neuter them, and release them back on the street again so they can continue to be homeless and fend for themselves? Or do you mean release them to their owners?

kitbradley said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I agree, there a places everywhere that you can notify and they will come to your area, find the strays spay/neuter them, give them shots and let them go

.

There is a group where I live called Friends of Furry Friends and they do that.

.

I would try to get them somewhere safe. Because they will always be exposed to human/natural dangers

There are places that will capture homeless dogs and cats, spay/neuter them, and release them back on the street again so they can continue to be homeless and fend for themselves? Or do you mean release them to their owners?

I like this idea that animals can be wild animals AND live AND reproduce among humans in cities as they do in India. Why we accept it for pigeons in the West but we consider that cats and dogs are unable to survive on their own, without our help, is beyond me: they can survive in the wild so they can survive in cities. Of course they don't enjoy the level of comfort and care that domestic pets and humans do enjoy but in India the difference isn't that clear: ofc ourse more and more people can afford doctors and material comfort, and some have pets, but millions of humans live in what I'd call subhuman conditions and for Indians that's just the way things are, so obviously they'll take care of wild animals' sicknesses the day they've taken care of human poverty first, and that's not for next week. But save that shitty skin disease (menge) that many dogs have, most of them are quite healthy and seem well fed. If menge was massively treated (easy to do technically speaking because it's just spraying, but obviously India has other economic priorities since the disease isn't contagious to humans), they'd be perfectly safe and happy. It's also funny to see how dogs DON'T hunt cats (cats aren't even afraid of them). I'm quite sure cats hunt rats on the other hand -we have them too, but dogs, cats, cows, goats, crows, buffallos and humans live in quite perfect harmony in my neighborhood. Still, of course, if an unknown individual -human or dog- gets close to her puppies, a female dog may grown and bite.

databank said:

kitbradley said:

There are places that will capture homeless dogs and cats, spay/neuter them, and release them back on the street again so they can continue to be homeless and fend for themselves? Or do you mean release them to their owners?

I like this idea that animals can be wild animals AND live AND reproduce among humans in cities as they do in India. Why we accept it for pigeons in the West but we consider that cats and dogs are unable to survive on their own, without our help, is beyond me: they can survive in the wild so they can survive in cities. Of course they don't enjoy the level of comfort and care that domestic pets and humans do enjoy but in India the difference isn't that clear: ofc ourse more and more people can afford doctors and material comfort, and some have pets, but millions of humans live in what I'd call subhuman conditions and for Indians that's just the way things are, so obviously they'll take care of wild animals' sicknesses the day they've taken care of human poverty first, and that's not for next week. But save that shitty skin disease (menge) that many dogs have, most of them are quite healthy and seem well fed. If menge was massively treated (easy to do technically speaking because it's just spraying, but obviously India has other economic priorities since the disease isn't contagious to humans), they'd be perfectly safe and happy. It's also funny to see how dogs DON'T hunt cats (cats aren't even afraid of them). I'm quite sure cats hunt rats on the other hand -we have them too, but dogs, cats, cows, goats, crows, buffallos and humans live in quite perfect harmony in my neighborhood. Still, of course, if an unknown individual -human or dog- gets close to her puppies, a female dog may grown and bite.

I bet it smells amazing there.

Genesia said:

databank said:

I like this idea that animals can be wild animals AND live AND reproduce among humans in cities as they do in India. Why we accept it for pigeons in the West but we consider that cats and dogs are unable to survive on their own, without our help, is beyond me: they can survive in the wild so they can survive in cities. Of course they don't enjoy the level of comfort and care that domestic pets and humans do enjoy but in India the difference isn't that clear: ofc ourse more and more people can afford doctors and material comfort, and some have pets, but millions of humans live in what I'd call subhuman conditions and for Indians that's just the way things are, so obviously they'll take care of wild animals' sicknesses the day they've taken care of human poverty first, and that's not for next week. But save that shitty skin disease (menge) that many dogs have, most of them are quite healthy and seem well fed. If menge was massively treated (easy to do technically speaking because it's just spraying, but obviously India has other economic priorities since the disease isn't contagious to humans), they'd be perfectly safe and happy. It's also funny to see how dogs DON'T hunt cats (cats aren't even afraid of them). I'm quite sure cats hunt rats on the other hand -we have them too, but dogs, cats, cows, goats, crows, buffallos and humans live in quite perfect harmony in my neighborhood. Still, of course, if an unknown individual -human or dog- gets close to her puppies, a female dog may grown and bite.

I bet it smells amazing there.

U'd be surprised: it smells nothing but the wonderful spicy and humid smell of the Indian air, but no animals smells really.

Oh and I forgot hens and roosters in my list, who are all over the streets and totally left alone by cats and dogs!

Sounds like paradise.

databank said:

kitbradley said:

There are places that will capture homeless dogs and cats, spay/neuter them, and release them back on the street again so they can continue to be homeless and fend for themselves? Or do you mean release them to their owners?

I like this idea that animals can be wild animals AND live AND reproduce among humans in cities as they do in India. Why we accept it for pigeons in the West but we consider that cats and dogs are unable to survive on their own, without our help, is beyond me: they can survive in the wild so they can survive in cities. Of course they don't enjoy the level of comfort and care that domestic pets and humans do enjoy but in India the difference isn't that clear: ofc ourse more and more people can afford doctors and material comfort, and some have pets, but millions of humans live in what I'd call subhuman conditions and for Indians that's just the way things are, so obviously they'll take care of wild animals' sicknesses the day they've taken care of human poverty first, and that's not for next week. But save that shitty skin disease (menge) that many dogs have, most of them are quite healthy and seem well fed. If menge was massively treated (easy to do technically speaking because it's just spraying, but obviously India has other economic priorities since the disease isn't contagious to humans), they'd be perfectly safe and happy. It's also funny to see how dogs DON'T hunt cats (cats aren't even afraid of them). I'm quite sure cats hunt rats on the other hand -we have them too, but dogs, cats, cows, goats, crows, buffallos and humans live in quite perfect harmony in my neighborhood. Still, of course, if an unknown individual -human or dog- gets close to her puppies, a female dog may grown and bite.

Actually, that is not true. They live extremely short, very unhealthy, pathetic lives. Not to mention the females are constantly having litter after litter which is horrible for them.

People simply do not understand that dogs are 100% in need of humans to survive (directly or indirectly - such as living off human discarded food). They are NOT wild animals.

JustErin said:

databank said:

I like this idea that animals can be wild animals AND live AND reproduce among humans in cities as they do in India. Why we accept it for pigeons in the West but we consider that cats and dogs are unable to survive on their own, without our help, is beyond me: they can survive in the wild so they can survive in cities. Of course they don't enjoy the level of comfort and care that domestic pets and humans do enjoy but in India the difference isn't that clear: ofc ourse more and more people can afford doctors and material comfort, and some have pets, but millions of humans live in what I'd call subhuman conditions and for Indians that's just the way things are, so obviously they'll take care of wild animals' sicknesses the day they've taken care of human poverty first, and that's not for next week. But save that shitty skin disease (menge) that many dogs have, most of them are quite healthy and seem well fed. If menge was massively treated (easy to do technically speaking because it's just spraying, but obviously India has other economic priorities since the disease isn't contagious to humans), they'd be perfectly safe and happy. It's also funny to see how dogs DON'T hunt cats (cats aren't even afraid of them). I'm quite sure cats hunt rats on the other hand -we have them too, but dogs, cats, cows, goats, crows, buffallos and humans live in quite perfect harmony in my neighborhood. Still, of course, if an unknown individual -human or dog- gets close to her puppies, a female dog may grown and bite.

Actually, that is not true. They live extremely short, very unhealthy, pathetic lives. Not to mention the females are constantly having litter after litter which is horrible for them.

People simply do not understand that dogs are 100% in need of humans to survive (directly or indirectly - such as living off human discarded food). They are NOT wild animals.

Dogs at least seem to have lost any instinct for hunting, that's true, but here they do have food to scavenge or being given to them. Sure they live shorter lives than pets and they're always pregnent and shit but that is the same in the wild, and honestly except for those who have menge (which also exists in the wild), I wouldn't call any of the dogs and other animals here's lives pathetic. Sure, though, it's the subburb, almost the countyside, we're not in the middle of Mumbai either... it's probably much more difficult for them in metropolis' centers. We have lotsa stray cats in my homecity in Lyon, they seem quite clean and happy as well, and they're being fed by old grannies when they run out of rats. Now of course it's not a pet's life but for one thing many humans on Earth don't live ahuman life by our standards, and then that poses the problem of whether we should extend human rights to animals to the point that we FORCE all of them to live in a civilized world, as pets, trying to prevent them to eat each other, but how do we prevent african lions to eat gazelles when they can't be fed with veg' food in the first place, etc. That's quite complex ^^

morningsong said:

Sounds like paradise.

It's quite paradisiac, + I live 5 mn away from the beach and a colorful traditional fishermen's village so it's a complete cliché

databank said:

JustErin said:

databank said:

Dogs at least seem to have lost any instinct for hunting, that's true, but here they do have food to scavenge or being given to them. Sure they live shorter lives than pets and they're always pregnent and shit but that is the same in the wild, and honestly except for those who have menge (which also exists in the wild), I wouldn't call any of the dogs and other animals here's lives pathetic. Sure, though, it's the subburb, almost the countyside, we're not in the middle of Mumbai either... it's probably much more difficult for them in metropolis' centers. We have lotsa stray cats in my homecity in Lyon, they seem quite clean and happy as well, and they're being fed by old grannies when they run out of rats. Now of course it's not a pet's life but for one thing many humans on Earth don't live ahuman life by our standards, and then that poses the problem of whether we should extend human rights to animals to the point that we FORCE all of them to live in a civilized world, as pets, trying to prevent them to eat each other, but how do we prevent african lions to eat gazelles when they can't be fed with veg' food in the first place, etc. That's quite complex ^^

You just don't seem to get it.

I may not, I'm trying, I don't know everything, I do with what I see and know and it's certainly not a complete picture...

NFSW (?)

the ignorance of people/police is evident in this vid.

the thing with the police is, it could very well be a kid

in urban u.s.a. and people will say they resisted.

if you see danger in this dog, at any time in the vid,

i would like to be shown. resistence is the most

understandable action to a threat...

Genesia said:

databank said:

So OK these r just kids but still...

I'm good friends with the stray dogs in my street, I feed them and pet them and they're totally friendly. One female has had 4 babies lately and of course being her friend I'm totally allowed to go near them and touch them.

The other day I was with the dogs and a kid comes to me, about 10 or 12, and tells me "be careful, these dogs r dangerous: one kid tried to take a baby the other day and the mom bit him".

So basically a kid the dog had never seen before tries to kindnap a puppy and she bites him and SHE is the dangerous one!

I just told the kid that the dogs were my friends and they'd never bite me but deep down I really felt like telling him "no, u stupid, these dogs are not dangerous: they're just clever enough to protect their babies from total strangers!"

I find it really sad how most people still think of animals as being brainless machines when they, just like us, protect their interests and can establish complex interspecies relationships with some individuals while at the same time being suspicious of unknown other individuals.

Instead of judging a 10-year-old for what s/he doesn't know, why didn't you explain why the dog bit the person who tried to take one of her pups?

And wouldn't a real dog "friend," take the strays to a shelter or pay to get them spayed/neutered?

luvsexy4all said:

databank said:

So OK these r just kids but still...

I'm good friends with the stray dogs in my street, I feed them and pet them and they're totally friendly. One female has had 4 babies lately and of course being her friend I'm totally allowed to go near them and touch them.

The other day I was with the dogs and a kid comes to me, about 10 or 12, and tells me "be careful, these dogs r dangerous: one kid tried to take a baby the other day and the mom bit him".

So basically a kid the dog had never seen before tries to kindnap a puppy and she bites him and SHE is the dangerous one!

I just told the kid that the dogs were my friends and they'd never bite me but deep down I really felt like telling him "no, u stupid, these dogs are not dangerous: they're just clever enough to protect their babies from total strangers!"

I find it really sad how most people still think of animals as being brainless machines when they, just like us, protect their interests and can establish complex interspecies relationships with some individuals while at the same time being suspicious of unknown other individuals.

[Edited 3/27/14 2:00am]

great story...sort of like when this stray cat took residence in my garage ...had babies....and took care of them ...then they died cause of the brutal ny weather and the mother wouldnt eat anymore

Aww, that's sad!

SUPRMAN said:

Genesia said:

Instead of judging a 10-year-old for what s/he doesn't know, why didn't you explain why the dog bit the person who tried to take one of her pups?

And wouldn't a real dog "friend," take the strays to a shelter or pay to get them spayed/neutered?

Read the rest of the thread b4 speaking nonsense

kitbradley said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I agree, there a places everywhere that you can notify and they will come to your area, find the strays spay/neuter them, give them shots and let them go

.

There is a group where I live called Friends of Furry Friends and they do that.

.

I would try to get them somewhere safe. Because they will always be exposed to human/natural dangers

There are places that will capture homeless dogs and cats, spay/neuter them, and release them back on the street again so they can continue to be homeless and fend for themselves? Or do you mean release them to their owners?

Yeah I heard about it on a radio station, the hostess, feeds a few feral cats and she talked about it on the radio. The cats aren't technically homeless. I don't believe they have had owners, so the outdoors is their home. The lady lives more less in the outskirts of the burbs. They aren't running around in the streets. There are so many cats in shelters etc and many don't get adopted so they get put to sleep. At least these cats are healthy and free. Cats that live in more industrialized areas I believe are treated differently and brought in for possible adoption. But again. So many cats -all don't get adopted. I think the cats are tagged to. I would also rather they are free, than for some old woman with 30 cats already to take them and they become unhealthy and die stuffed in a house.

[Edited 3/28/14 6:08am]

morningsong said:

Sounds like paradise.

Yeah...it's all beer and skittles 'til someone gets rabies.