kpowers said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

Was Jaws evil? Seems he was just a shark.

Actually Jaws was heavy into devil worshipping

Now I want a Batman Vs Jaws Comic

OnlyNDaUsa said:

kpowers said:

Actually Jaws was heavy into devil worshipping

Now I want a Batman Vs Jaws Comic

I'll leave that up to Aquaman

ZombieKitten said:

the cylons weren't either. They simply had an agenda to preserve balance. Mankind was always messing stuff up so they were an obvious target.

you're always on the side of the robots

kpowers said:

ZombieKitten said:

kpowers said:

you're always on the side of the robots

In the original series they were lizard like creatures wearing armour.

in Battlestar Galactica? really? I thought they were siver plastic robots with that red light going back and forth? with some weird humonoid leader....

OnlyNDaUsa said:

ZombieKitten said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

in Battlestar Galactica? really? I thought they were siver plastic robots with that red light going back and forth? with some weird humonoid leader....

I read the tie-in novel - it's all explained in this book http://space1970.blogspot...chive.html [Edited 1/4/14 17:34pm]

oh... okay. i was going say they were not (as far as I could remember) ever being refered to as lizards in suits. I did go read that they were robots built by some lizard race but the lizards all died and the robots kept going.

Two monks were washing their bowls in the river when they noticed a scorpion that was drowning. One monk immediately scooped it up and set it upon the bank. In the process he was stung. He went back to washing his bowl and again the scorpion fell in. The monk saved the scorpion and was again stung. The other monk asked him, "Friend, why do you continue to save the scorpion when you know it's nature is to sting?"

"Because," the monk replied, "to save it is my nature."

OnlyNDaUsa said:

ZombieKitten said:

kpowers said: In the original series they were lizard like creatures wearing armour.

in Battlestar Galactica? really? I thought they were siver plastic robots with that red light going back and forth? with some weird humonoid leader....

The Imperaial Leader was a lizard, they were the real Cylons. The Lizards made the robots in human image (if my memory serves me right)

kpowers said:

kpowers said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

in Battlestar Galactica? really? I thought they were siver plastic robots with that red light going back and forth? with some weird humonoid leader....

The Imperaial Leader was a lizard, they were the real Cylons. The Lizards made the robots in human image (if my memory serves me right)

Imperious Leader was still a robot, but he was made in image of the lizard people who created them. The centurions were all robots as well. If I remember correctly, in the novelization of the pilot the cylons were all armored lizard-people, with the centurions being lower caste & the imperious leader a higher caste with two or three brains, which was the original plan for the series. That got nixed from the show, but was left in the novel.

ZombieKitten said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

in Battlestar Galactica? really? I thought they were siver plastic robots with that red light going back and forth? with some weird humonoid leader....

I read the tie-in novel - it's all explained in this book http://space1970.blogspot...chive.html [Edited 1/4/14 17:34pm]

Ah, I posted before seeing your comment. You're right that they were lizards in the novel, but I'm pretty sure that did not make it into the show. I read that book many times - BSG was a pretty big deal for the 9 year old damo.

damosuzuki said:

kpowers said:

The Imperaial Leader was a lizard, they were the real Cylons. The Lizards made the robots in human image (if my memory serves me right)

Imperious Leader was still a robot, but he was made in image of the lizard people who created them. The centurions were all robots as well. If I remember correctly, in the novelization of the pilot the cylons were all armored lizard-people, with the centurions being lower caste & the imperious leader a higher caste with two or three brains, which was the original plan for the series. That got nixed from the show, but was left in the novel.

The imperious leader was freaky looking

is Battlestar Galactica worth watching???

I'm asking this cuz I once tried to give Star Trek a chance...and well, no comment

JoeTyler said:

is Battlestar Galactica worth watching???

I'm asking this cuz I once tried to give Star Trek a chance...and well, no comment

The original series probably is unwatchable for someone who doesn't view it through the haze of childhood nostalgia. The pilot might be a fun watch even if you don't have that, and if nothing else it features Jane Seymour looking not the least bit ugly.

I think the first two seasons of the remake are great, & while there's a fairly steep drop in quality for three & four, it is still worth watching if you'd followed it to that point. They definitely did not stick the landing in the final episode IMO, & that ended the series on a sour note for me.

JoeTyler said:

is Battlestar Galactica worth watching???

I'm asking this cuz I once tried to give Star Trek a chance...and well, no comment

I loved the original series, I liked the new series as well. You are in your 20's, maybe watch the new version then.

This reminds me of any of my movie reviews, so I give JT's post 7 chestbursting baby Aliens out of a possible 5 chestbursting Aliens.

ET on the other hand was a major Asshole.

damosuzuki said:

ZombieKitten said:

OnlyNDaUsa said: I read the tie-in novel - it's all explained in this book http://space1970.blogspot...chive.html [Edited 1/4/14 17:34pm]

Ah, I posted before seeing your comment. You're right that they were lizards in the novel, but I'm pretty sure that did not make it into the show. I read that book many times - BSG was a pretty big deal for the 9 year old damo.

me too!!!

damosuzuki said:

kpowers said:

The Imperaial Leader was a lizard, they were the real Cylons. The Lizards made the robots in human image (if my memory serves me right)

Imperious Leader was still a robot, but he was made in image of the lizard people who created them. The centurions were all robots as well. If I remember correctly, in the novelization of the pilot the cylons were all armored lizard-people, with the centurions being lower caste & the imperious leader a higher caste with two or three brains, which was the original plan for the series. That got nixed from the show, but was left in the novel.

and they weren't evil, right? They were just keeping the universe in balance

Freddy Kruegar was just an innocent child molestor. The fucking parents killed him the kids deserved to get slashed by him!

ZombieKitten said:

damosuzuki said:

Imperious Leader was still a robot, but he was made in image of the lizard people who created them. The centurions were all robots as well. If I remember correctly, in the novelization of the pilot the cylons were all armored lizard-people, with the centurions being lower caste & the imperious leader a higher caste with two or three brains, which was the original plan for the series. That got nixed from the show, but was left in the novel.

and they weren't evil, right? They were just keeping the universe in balance

They just have their own motivation. You know I like to make everything about ants…I think cylons & aliens are a bit like the Argentinian ants taking over California or the crazy ants that are creating misery in Texas. http://www.nytimes.com/20....html?_r=0 A scourge from our perspective for sure, but within their own interests their actions are rational.

damosuzuki said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

ET on the other hand was a major Asshole.

ET was a sweetheart.

Love the original post and photos... I'm obsessed with A L I E N. I even drew a comicbook of the whole story back in middle school.

I can draw the Giger designed creature with my eyes closed... literally!

Neither was smallpox it was only doing what it needed to do to survive. And here we went and practically wiped it off the planet. We went all species-cide on it. So unfair.

ZombieKitten said:

damosuzuki said:

Imperious Leader was still a robot, but he was made in image of the lizard people who created them. The centurions were all robots as well. If I remember correctly, in the novelization of the pilot the cylons were all armored lizard-people, with the centurions being lower caste & the imperious leader a higher caste with two or three brains, which was the original plan for the series. That got nixed from the show, but was left in the novel.

and they weren't evil, right? They were just keeping the universe in balance

No they were evil, they were the ones who got Jaws into devil worshipping

kpowers said:

JoeTyler said:

is Battlestar Galactica worth watching???

I'm asking this cuz I once tried to give Star Trek a chance...and well, no comment

I loved the original series, I liked the new series as well. You are in your 20's, maybe watch the new version then.

I'm old too

JoeTyler said:

is Battlestar Galactica worth watching???

I'm asking this cuz I once tried to give Star Trek a chance...and well, no comment

Check out Space:1999 season 1

JoeTyler said:

I saw Alien (1979) yesterday's night, probably for the 9th time overall (and the first movie I've seen this 2014 btw) and, as always, I ended up crying...because of the ending...SPOILER because the Alien dies

this thread is full of spoilers, so, if you're one of those weird and uncool individuals who haven't watched this timeless classic please LEAVE this thread, the rest of you stay...

good, let's begin

I can't believe how everybody classifies this film as a "monster movie" or "humans vs a merciless creature" movie when it should be labelled as a "humans and their moral flaws" movie. Yes, the humans are the true villians of this film...not the Alien

first, everyone on the Nostromo is an asshole, pure and simple (Ripley could be the exception but there are several things I don't like about her) so it's no surprise that Ash the droid felt so uncomfortable around them...Glorified Financial Trouble? Check. Constant whining? Check. Personal issues? Check. Insecurities? Check. Ego and Arrogance? Check. Bah, the typical boring human stuff...

(yeah, look at them = a bunch of assholes)

second, it was the humans who wanted to land on the alien planet (evil-greedy corporation involved) despite that mysterious alien warning which advised otherwise...of course, they ignored and fuckin landed on that planet...

third, the facehugger was a nonsentient creature which acted by instinct, it's nature folks, nothing wrong with that, and at least it was gentle/considerate enough to put its "victim" into a coma to minimize the pain/fear/stress...

fourth, the chestburster is not an evil creature either, it's not its fault if humans are a weak species without regenerative abilities; it just HAD to liberate itself from those filthy human bowels...

the poor baby (yeah, it's a baby, don't forget that) saw the light of life for the first time but just encountered the faces of 6 ugly and hostile humans (plus a droid), they basically scared the crap out of it...

(look at the poor lil thang, look at its terror and confusion)

fifth, for no reason, the humans decided RIGHT AWAY that the Alien had to fuckin' die, just like that...and I think: why? Once again, only Ash the droid, a non-human, showed signs of patience, mercy and curiosity (and because he had a secret agenda, yeah yeah I know)

so, the Alien was basically minding its own business (basically getting bigger/healthier) when it detected that the humans had splitted in two groups hell-bent on killing it...they left it no other choice: KILL OR BE KILLED; first, it dispatched the guy with the cap in one flawless, painless blow that killed him instantly (that's what gentle predators do, or try to do, like lions)

then it was taking a nap in the tunnels when that asshole with the beard (the so-called captain of the ship) started stalking it with a fuckin FLAMETHROWER!!! (no less!), scaring the crap out of it; once again, its only option was "kill or be killed"

sixth, many people say that the Alien showed its true colors (pure evil) when it brutally assassinated the other chick of the ship and the black guy, WRONG! The Alien felt curiosity when it sensed the strong pheromones of the sweaty chick, probably feeling sexual urge (after all, this Alien was born from a guy who had probably had sex with Ripley or with this other chick, or maybe with BOTH OF THEM!)

so, the Alien was just standing there, gently examining the chick, satisfying its curiosity when the black guy attacked it from behind, for no reason! ONCE (yeah ONCE) AGAIN the poor thing was scared and killed the brother out of instinct with another fast, perfect, painless blow...nothing personal, kill or be killed (and remember, the black guy in a secondary role ALWAYS dies in a Hollywood movie)

back with the chick, the Alien, because of its lack of human penis, used its tail to satisfy its sexual needs; of course, that tail was, sadly, sharp as hell, so the chick, understandably, didn't enjoy the experience; but, does that make the Alien evil? NO. Here, folks, is another classic example of the monster of Frankenstein: a confused creature acting by instinct and making (often tragically lethal) mistakes because it doesn't quite understand the things that happen around it...

so, you basically have a confused, perpetually scared, isolated, sexually frustrated creature stalked by humans who hate it just because it's different. Oh, and I forgot to mention that, previously, Ash the droid had been eliminated by the humans just because he was the one who wanted to give the Alien a chance to express itself...brutal...

so, we're near the end of the film and Ripley (and some cat) are the only "survivors". Then, once again, for no reason, Ripley decides to blow up the ship. Why? Because she just assumed that the Alien wanted to kill her as well (proof??? NONE); of course, she later regretted this decision, but the AI of the ship has had enough of humans and their volatile behaviour and refuses to stop the countdown. So Ripley desperately headed to the auxiliary shuttle, escaped and then saw the Nostromo being obliterated, with the creature inside...satisfied because it is "finally" dead...whatever...

Previously, the Alien had been face to face with the cat, showing curiosity without any kind of violence, but Ripley PURPOSELY ignored that important detail...

But, is the Alien truly dead???? Of course not. The Alien is also on the shuttle (why? because this is Hollywood, folks, and we need a climax), taking a nap, harmless, and probably exhausted...

But, of course, Ripley cannot stand its sight and, rejecting one last chance of understanding and cooperation with the formidable alien creature, she propels it out into space by shooting it with a grappling hook (ouch), but the gun catches in the closing door, tethering the Alien to the shuttle. As it attempts to crawl into one of the engines, Ripley activates them and blasts the alien into space, previously burning it...NICE

So, the credits roll and "humans" have won, but, do they deserve it? This ending led to an equally jingoistic sequel that further treated Aliens like evil monsters just because their loving Mother Queen wanted to build a bright and prosperous future for her race. Of course, humans didn't allow it.

RIP, Alien race

discuss

You've totally changed my thinking on this film! Thanks! (I did think the Captain was an asshole when I first saw it).