I saw Alien (1979) yesterday's night, probably for the 9th time overall (and the first movie I've seen this 2014 btw) and, as always, I ended up crying...because of the ending...SPOILER because the Alien dies

this thread is full of spoilers, so, if you're one of those weird and uncool individuals who haven't watched this timeless classic please LEAVE this thread, the rest of you stay...

good, let's begin

I can't believe how everybody classifies this film as a "monster movie" or "humans vs a merciless creature" movie when it should be labelled as a "humans and their moral flaws" movie. Yes, the humans are the true villians of this film...not the Alien

first, everyone on the Nostromo is an asshole, pure and simple (Ripley could be the exception but there are several things I don't like about her) so it's no surprise that Ash the droid felt so uncomfortable around them...Glorified Financial Trouble? Check. Constant whining? Check. Personal issues? Check. Insecurities? Check. Ego and Arrogance? Check. Bah, the typical boring human stuff...

(yeah, look at them = a bunch of assholes)

second, it was the humans who wanted to land on the alien planet (evil-greedy corporation involved) despite that mysterious alien warning which advised otherwise...of course, they ignored and fuckin landed on that planet...

third, the facehugger was a nonsentient creature which acted by instinct, it's nature folks, nothing wrong with that, and at least it was gentle/considerate enough to put its "victim" into a coma to minimize the pain/fear/stress...

fourth, the chestburster is not an evil creature either, it's not its fault if humans are a weak species without regenerative abilities; it just HAD to liberate itself from those filthy human bowels...

the poor baby (yeah, it's a baby, don't forget that) saw the light of life for the first time but just encountered the faces of 6 ugly and hostile humans (plus a droid), they basically scared the crap out of it...

(look at the poor lil thang, look at its terror and confusion)

fifth, for no reason, the humans decided RIGHT AWAY that the Alien had to fuckin' die, just like that...and I think: why? Once again, only Ash the droid, a non-human, showed signs of patience, mercy and curiosity (and because he had a secret agenda, yeah yeah I know)

so, the Alien was basically minding its own business (basically getting bigger/healthier) when it detected that the humans had splitted in two groups hell-bent on killing it...they left it no other choice: KILL OR BE KILLED; first, it dispatched the guy with the cap in one flawless, painless blow that killed him instantly (that's what gentle predators do, or try to do, like lions)

then it was taking a nap in the tunnels when that asshole with the beard (the so-called captain of the ship) started stalking it with a fuckin FLAMETHROWER!!! (no less!), scaring the crap out of it; once again, its only option was "kill or be killed"

sixth, many people say that the Alien showed its true colors (pure evil) when it brutally assassinated the other chick of the ship and the black guy, WRONG! The Alien felt curiosity when it sensed the strong pheromones of the sweaty chick, probably feeling sexual urge (after all, this Alien was born from a guy who had probably had sex with Ripley or with this other chick, or maybe with BOTH OF THEM!)

so, the Alien was just standing there, gently examining the chick, satisfying its curiosity when the black guy attacked it from behind, for no reason! ONCE (yeah ONCE) AGAIN the poor thing was scared and killed the brother out of instinct with another fast, perfect, painless blow...nothing personal, kill or be killed (and remember, the black guy in a secondary role ALWAYS dies in a Hollywood movie)

back with the chick, the Alien, because of its lack of human penis, used its tail to satisfy its sexual needs; of course, that tail was, sadly, sharp as hell, so the chick, understandably, didn't enjoy the experience; but, does that make the Alien evil? NO. Here, folks, is another classic example of the monster of Frankenstein: a confused creature acting by instinct and making (often tragically lethal) mistakes because it doesn't quite understand the things that happen around it...

so, you basically have a confused, perpetually scared, isolated, sexually frustrated creature stalked by humans who hate it just because it's different. Oh, and I forgot to mention that, previously, Ash the droid had been eliminated by the humans just because he was the one who wanted to give the Alien a chance to express itself...brutal...

so, we're near the end of the film and Ripley (and some cat) are the only "survivors". Then, once again, for no reason, Ripley decides to blow up the ship. Why? Because she just assumed that the Alien wanted to kill her as well (proof??? NONE); of course, she later regretted this decision, but the AI of the ship has had enough of humans and their volatile behaviour and refuses to stop the countdown. So Ripley desperately headed to the auxiliary shuttle, escaped and then saw the Nostromo being obliterated, with the creature inside...satisfied because it is "finally" dead...whatever...

Previously, the Alien had been face to face with the cat, showing curiosity without any kind of violence, but Ripley PURPOSELY ignored that important detail...

But, is the Alien truly dead???? Of course not. The Alien is also on the shuttle (why? because this is Hollywood, folks, and we need a climax), taking a nap, harmless, and probably exhausted...

But, of course, Ripley cannot stand its sight and, rejecting one last chance of understanding and cooperation with the formidable alien creature, she propels it out into space by shooting it with a grappling hook (ouch), but the gun catches in the closing door, tethering the Alien to the shuttle. As it attempts to crawl into one of the engines, Ripley activates them and blasts the alien into space, previously burning it...NICE

So, the credits roll and "humans" have won, but, do they deserve it? This ending led to an equally jingoistic sequel that further treated Aliens like evil monsters just because their loving Mother Queen wanted to build a bright and prosperous future for her race. Of course, humans didn't allow it.

RIP, Alien race

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the cylons weren't either. They simply had an agenda to preserve balance. Mankind was always messing stuff up so they were an obvious target.

you're right! it DOES look like the poor little thing is reaching out for a hug..

kpowers said:

didn't you attack and kill an Alien once, Mr.Wayne?

you're biased

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you know, in a way the movie is a metaphor for human existence. the spaceship = life, the passengers = our human souls, the alien = our alienation from that part of our psyche which makes us whole. for are we not the real aliens? unacquainted with our basal urges and acting them out unconsciously? with this movie we have created the monster in our own image, and battle it onscreen that we might slay our own demons thereby.

this is a bit off topic but dang. it's snowing pretty hard here in denver. i'm glad i went *shopping* yesterday

XxAxX said:

back with the chick, the Alien, because of its lack of human penis, used its tail to satisfy its sexual needs; of course, that tail was, sadly, sharp as hell, so the chick, understandably, didn't enjoy the experience; but, does that make the Alien evil? NO. Here, folks, is another classic example of the monster of Frankenstein: a confused creature acting by instinct and making (often tragically lethal) mistakes because it doesn't quite understand the things that happen around it...

you know, in a way the movie is a metaphor for human existence. the spaceship = life, the passengers = our human souls, the alien = our alienation from that part of our psyche which makes us whole. for are we not the real aliens? unacquainted with our basal urges and acting them out unconsciously? with this movie we have created the monster in our own image, and battle it onscreen that we might slay our own demons thereby.

wait, are you implying that the Alien was inherently evil???

JoeTyler said:

XxAxX said:

you know, in a way the movie is a metaphor for human existence. the spaceship = life, the passengers = our human souls, the alien = our alienation from that part of our psyche which makes us whole. for are we not the real aliens? unacquainted with our basal urges and acting them out unconsciously? with this movie we have created the monster in our own image, and battle it onscreen that we might slay our own demons thereby.

wait, are you implying that the Alien was inherently evil???

no, i quoted that bit where you said: another classic example of the monster of Frankenstein: a confused creature acting by instinct and making (often tragically lethal) mistakes because it doesn't quite understand the things that happen around it...

which, when i thought about it in real depth i realized that humans live a similar existence, acting by instinct and making mistakes because we don't quite understand the things around us.

for example: humankind is blaming global qarming on co2 emissions when the true answer is that increased wireless transmission are the culprit. we have (instinctively) surrounded our planet with orbiting satellites that beam streams of energyaround us that are contributing greatly to the melting of polar icecaps. by the time we figure tnhis out it will already be too late. (tragic and lethal msitakes)

to sum up aliens/humans: creatures acting as the universe created them, trying hard but often failing tragically due to inherent design flaws and/or circumstances which conspire against them.

^ see? just look at all the freaking typos up there. had it not been for this keyboard in front of me, i would not have made those errors. i blame technology for my downfall

anyone know where john denver's house was back in the day? i think i'ma make a day trip later on when it stops snowing.

you know, i really liked your nickname "chestburster". it would make a nice name for a child. or, perhaps, something like c**tbuster. or pu**ypusher.

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XxAxX said:

JoeTyler said:

wait, are you implying that the Alien was inherently evil???

no, i quoted that bit where you said: another classic example of the monster of Frankenstein: a confused creature acting by instinct and making (often tragically lethal) mistakes because it doesn't quite understand the things that happen around it...

which, when i thought about it in real depth i realized that humans live a similar existence, acting by instinct and making mistakes because we don't quite understand the things around us.

for example: humankind is blaming global qarming on co2 emissions when the true answer is that increased wireless transmission are the culprit. we have (instinctively) surrounded our planet with orbiting satellites that beam streams of energyaround us that are contributing greatly to the melting of polar icecaps. by the time we figure tnhis out it will already be too late. (tragic and lethal msitakes)

to sum up aliens/humans: creatures acting as the universe created them, trying hard but often failing tragically due to inherent design flaws and/or circumstances which conspire against them.

yeah, shit, right? a couple of the next generations of humans will have A HARD time trying to adapt to Earth's new conditions, glad I'll be dead already, lol

XxAxX said:

you know, i really liked your nickname "chestburster". it would make a nice name for a child. or, perhaps, something like c**tbuster. or pu**ypusher.

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LOL at your edit

and WHAT? I didn't invent that nickname, it's almost as old as the movie, lol

JoeTyler said:

XxAxX said:

you know, i really liked your nickname "chestburster". it would make a nice name for a child. or, perhaps, something like c**tbuster. or pu**ypusher.

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LOL at your edit

and WHAT? I didn't invent that nickname, it's almost as old as the movie, lol

there ARE rules here, you know.

edited for previous edit: whoops no, it's someone else this time.......

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okay sorry for getting so far off topic. if you've been reading the news you will be aware that numerous alien visitations have occurred over the past few days and sightings have occurred around the country. just like with the phoenix lights event a few years back, residents of the state of california witnessed the invasion and the landing. so i've been thinking what if our alien guests should have a strong appetite for flesh and land in numbers too great to resist and enslave the human race, forcing us to work in their mines on and off planet while tinkering with our DNA and mating with both the male and female of our species, and using our bodies to host their embryonic clones while further advancing their technology and capabilities at the expense of us and our lovely planet, would we be able to like, lure them into some sort of trap using spam and blast them so far into the nultiverse they'd get lost trying to find their way back here? or do you think they'd hate spam?

XxAxX said:

okay sorry for getting so far off topic. if you've been reading the news you will be aware that numerous alien visitations have occurred over the past few days and sightings have occurred around the country. just like with the phoenix lights event a few years back, residents of the state of california witnessed the invasion and the landing. so i've been thinking what if our alien guests should have a strong appetite for flesh and land in numbers too great to resist and enslave the human race, forcing us to work in their mines on and off planet while tinkering with our DNA and mating with both the male and female of our species, and using our bodies to host their embryonic clones while further advancing their technology and capabilities at the expense of us and our lovely planet, would we be able to like, lure them into some sort of trap using spam and blast them so far into the nultiverse they'd get lost trying to find their way back here? or do you think they'd hate spam?

oh thank god you responded, man! i was beginning to think i was the only one who cares!!!!!!! this is no time to be caught napping.

XxAxX said:

oh thank god you responded, man! i was beginning to think i was the only one who cares!!!!!!! this is no time to be caught napping.

Denver looks like a nice place for some alien secret base

Was Jaws evil? Seems he was just a shark.

OnlyNDaUsa said:

Was Jaws evil? Seems he was just a shark.

its appetite was too big, ND it was a lazy SOB: it stayed near the beaches to get easy prey

it had it coming...BOOM!

JoeTyler said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

Was Jaws evil? Seems he was just a shark.

its appetite was too big, ND it was a lazy SOB: it stayed near the beaches to get easy prey

it had it coming...BOOM!

and! the BOOM! total bull... that would never happen! Not even if it wa full of propane would it ever explode like that. It had to be some kind of advanced bomb! I think the shark was some government experiment and they sent in Quint (former military) to kill it... with a bomb hidden in an air tank.

OnlyNDaUsa said:

JoeTyler said:

its appetite was too big, ND it was a lazy SOB: it stayed near the beaches to get easy prey

it had it coming...BOOM!

and! the BOOM! total bull... that would never happen! Not even if it wa full of propane would it ever explode like that. It had to be some kind of advanced bomb! I think the shark was some government experiment and they sent in Quint (former military) to kill it... with a bomb hidden in an air tank.

JoeTyler said:

kpowers said:

didn't you attack and kill an Alien once, Mr.Wayne?

you're biased

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kpowers said:

JoeTyler said:

didn't you attack and kill an Alien once, Mr.Wayne?

you're biased

[Edited 1/4/14 9:20am]

was that before or after Predator 2? i forget which was first... but if you seen and read them both you know what i mean.

jeef goldblum was not evil in The Fly but....

OnlyNDaUsa said:

Was Jaws evil? Seems he was just a shark.

Actually Jaws was heavy into devil worshipping

OnlyNDaUsa said:

kpowers said:

was that before or after Predator 2? i forget which was first... but if you seen and read them both you know what i mean.

honestly I lost track

kpowers said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

Was Jaws evil? Seems he was just a shark.

Actually Jaws was heavy into devil worshipping

yep, the ocean's abyss is def a place you don't want to explore...