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Vegans, Vegatarians, and Meat Shaming. I am in the strong believe that meat shaming people is bullshit. And just as annoying as people who try to shame you for being atheist, christian, or another religion they don't like. Pistols sounded like "Fuck off," wheras The Clash sounded like "Fuck Off, but here's why.."- Thedigitialgardener
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I am very accommodating of people's personal food choices - I have to be, I'm a difficult dinner guest myself (lactose and gluten intolerant ).
I want to invite our vegetarian friends over to our house, and I will put on a good spread for them on the BBQ. Gonna scrub that hotplate clean too first.
But my friends aren't preachy about their choice. They work in animal shelters too, so I know where they come from with this and I respect it. They are also athletes, so I know their diet is working out for them and I don't need to tell them to eat some meat LOL I'm the mistake you wanna make | |
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OK, u raise a valid issue here. I'm veg and I make a point of not harrassing meat-eaters because I just don't think it... works. I don't think u'll get any meat eater to go veg by making them feel bad, on the contrary u'll make tham wanna stick to their habits even more. It's more about educating people, giving them a stronger sense of empathy and compassion. Now even though I blame the method for lack of efficiency I somehow understand veggies who r after meat-eaters' asses. U know the thing is that every day billions of animals die and suffer horrible lives and deaths because of meat-eating. It's not an opinion, it's a FACT. They feel pain and fear just the same way we do, particularly vertebraes. So to us it's a bit as if u had, IDK, them Talibans saying "we can't stand these humanist MF's harrassing us for not giving any rights to women and make rape and women slavery an institution", or some people saying "Them humanists are harrassing us for perpetrating a genocide, why won't they let us slaugthers these Jews/Tutsis/Armenians/Bosnians/non-communists/u name it bastards in peace?!". So yeah I understand meat-eaters being tired of the BS because so many veg's r just agressive and not showing any kind of understanding towards meat-eaters, and I understand that eating meat is a deep-rooted cultural trend that most humans consider a God-given right and a natural thing to do. But from a humanist POV, the animals are still suffering horrible lives and deaths. So I try to preach tolerance among other veg's, but it's somewhat hard to preach tolerance when billions of sentient creatures r suffereing at the very same minute we're discussing the ethics of vegetarism and meat-eating A COMPREHENSIVE PRINCE DISCOGRAPHY (work in progress ^^): https://sites.google.com/...scography/ | |
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If someone asks me why I don't eat meat, I tell them. If not, why bother? | |
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I do understand that people talk about subjects that concerns them. So, maybe they just talk about it, without the intention of forcing their life-style to you? 99% of my posts are ironic. Maybe this post sides with the other 1%. | |
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the real evil is the factory farm torture of intelligent animals which makes meat eating a blasphemy | |
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I'm one of those people if I decided to eat veggie food over meat, that's my personal choice, I don't try to force it on people to change their lifestyle. But that's just me. I'm apolitical when it comes to that though I'm REAL upset by GMO but that's as far as that goes (and it affects both meat and vegetables). I'm a meat eater by the way (but I also love vegetables). [Edited 12/21/13 9:43am] | |
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Its the other way around too you know. Even more so the other way around. You even been a vegetarion/vegan? * I know how it is being vegetarian myself. 90 percent of the time vegetarians do NOT announce what they are. Because a lot of the times people start rubbing in their face what they eat. Either intentionally or unintentionally. "Yeah Im gonna eat a shit load of meat, I LOVE meat" "Yeah I cant do that, I love dead animals" * Things like that. Happens all the time, its pretty annoying. Its like "Yeah we know, thanks" Nobody cares, * Not only that but you have to deal with all the annoyance of all the misinformation a long with it. I box/work out and dont eat meat, a lot of times I always hear the exact same 3 sentences over and over. Which by now I have 3 automated responces I regurgitate the exact same way like a robot on autoplay because I've heard them so much. * | |
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They do it in a judgemental way. Like, they want you to change your life for them. I never once did that too them... which is why i think it's rude. Pistols sounded like "Fuck off," wheras The Clash sounded like "Fuck Off, but here's why.."- Thedigitialgardener
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Of course! i know vegans and vegatarians go through shit too. I don't think ANYONE should be trying to throw their diet onto others like it's a gospel. Pistols sounded like "Fuck off," wheras The Clash sounded like "Fuck Off, but here's why.."- Thedigitialgardener
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99% of my posts are ironic. Maybe this post sides with the other 1%. | |
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99% of my posts are ironic. Maybe this post sides with the other 1%. | |
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I can confirm what's been said above: people's reactions are indeed always the same when u say u're veg: automatic responses that go from miaking fun of it or provoking u to trying to convince u how wrong u r. That's deeply annoying and I always dislike that moment when I have 2 say I'm veg because 9 times outta 10 I'll get a negative feedback. A COMPREHENSIVE PRINCE DISCOGRAPHY (work in progress ^^): https://sites.google.com/...scography/ | |
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Well hey thats something we can all agree on. Misspelled ever* earlier, probably sounded mad. [Edited 12/21/13 10:50am] | |
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that would drive them off the wall i don't think i could live with myself Pistols sounded like "Fuck off," wheras The Clash sounded like "Fuck Off, but here's why.."- Thedigitialgardener
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That's fair. I really don't mind hearing general concern or opinion. Just as long as your not beating over the head and forcing me to change my sinful ways Pistols sounded like "Fuck off," wheras The Clash sounded like "Fuck Off, but here's why.."- Thedigitialgardener
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I'm surprised that food can even be considered food in the US with all the GMO. | |
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Guns, I'm with you 1000%. As a fellow weight-trainer, I make sure I eat my share of veggies, but I LOVE meat. Wouldn't give it up for the world. Beef, chicken, goat, lamb, fish, pork - drool drool! Don't really care how the animals are killed, long as my belly's full. That sounds harsh, but hey, humas won - we're top of the food chain.
Come to think of it, plants are living things too. How do we know what they feel? | |
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We don't, but according to our current understanding of the processes of congintion and pain, plants aren't sentient nor do they feel pain or anything else. Similarly, some studies tend to show that arthropods, though somehow sentient, can't feel pain (but this is a controversial subject at this point, as some other studies may suggest the opposite and we really have no way to know for sure at this point). What we DO know on the other hand is that molluscs and all vertebraes not only are sentient beings but feel pain similarly to us: the physical process of pain is the same for them. As for emotions such as sadness, fear and anguish, all mammals and birds definitely feel them and it's also likely that reptilians, fishes and molluscs feel them as well but we're not certain to what extent. Octopi and turtles have showed quite intelligent behaviors, though, so they're likely to feel emotions. As for arthropods we don't know if and what they feel, because it's really hard to determine what, in their behavior, is "preprogrammed" and to what extent they are sentient or simply "automated" lifeforms. So if u gonna do damage control u can't say for sure but it seems much more ethic to eat vegetals, then arthropods, but it's totally unethical to eat other animals. So in doubt I eat only vegetals because even though I don't know what it does to them I DO know what it does to animals I am absolutely convinced that in a few centuries all humanity will be veg, since there is no reason for animal rights not to progress and become the norm the same way human rights are (slowly) becoming the norm around the globe. A COMPREHENSIVE PRINCE DISCOGRAPHY (work in progress ^^): https://sites.google.com/...scography/ | |
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On the other hands in a few decades ALL mosquito species will be extinct by the hand of man and I'm all for it! A COMPREHENSIVE PRINCE DISCOGRAPHY (work in progress ^^): https://sites.google.com/...scography/ | |
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used to be a veg head for five years. then i stopped. i tried to transition. i can't. When i was teen and a complete animal activist i used to get into with people about it. it always resulted in me being mad and the other person laughing. I stop. my life is better now. you ultimately eat what you want in the end.
p.s. i can digest pork or red meat. so i think whats known a pollotarian?
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Carrie, your response was pretty spot on! I've stoppd cow dairy because I have respiratory issues, and going meatless makes me feel better, but i'm not going to shame u. Why? Because I crave fried chicken every damn day! I only started to omit meat and dairy to reduce respiratory issues and it's working! But I'm so not judging, because I'm craving a steak! | |
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It's hard to be a vegetarian when you have tasted fried chicken. I love chicken. 99% of my posts are ironic. Maybe this post sides with the other 1%. | |
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I stopped eating seafood a few years ago. I never was a fan of fish. I tried but I think the taste (and the fact that a lot of bones were still intact made me not want fish of any kind. Only seafood I can eat is mackrels and even then it's not even my favorite type of food. | |
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Fried chicken....it's so good! But it doesn't love me back. | |
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I’m coming up on my second anniversary of adopting a vegetarian diet pretty quickly, and I made that choice for the kinds of reasons I suspect your friends are going on about. I’m not there, and I can’t tell how your friends are approaching the issue, but I think there are very good reasons for people to stop eating meat, and if people do choose to eat meat they ought to at least consider those things and think about them more than most people do, and if your friends are bringing those issues to you then I don’t think they’re doing anything really wrong. It’s easy to become tone-deaf on these things, and I try to be tactful & soft-sell my points & not continuously drone on. I don’t know if it’s something I always do well, but my experience to date has been that bringing these things up hasn’t made people antagonistic or dismissive, but rather provoked a lot of pretty interesting & reasonable conversations. Perhaps some of that is because I made the conversion relatively late in life (42), so I’m not getting dismissed as a kid going through a phase, but I think most of it is because I try to bring a logic and rigour to the discussion. I certainly don’t want to proselytize or anything, but I think there are a lot of very serious discussion points in this area, and people who eat meat ought to at least be thinking about those issues, and I think if people can approach the topic in the right way, you can raise awareness & consciousness on those very things.
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1) I sincerely appreciate what you do for your friends - not many of mine are that open-minded. | |
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