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Thread started 12/21/13 12:25am

Gunsnhalen

Vegans, Vegatarians, and Meat Shaming.

I am in the strong believe that meat shaming people is bullshit. And just as annoying as people who try to shame you for being atheist, christian, or another religion they don't like.

I have some friends who are vegan, or Vegetarian. I respect their choice to do that! never question, never shame them, never talk down to them. HELL... i even go to vegan restaurants with them cause I'm open minded. And when i invite a huge group of friends over... i will cook a vegan dish too. I try to be considerate and respectful about my friends diet and eating lifestyles.

Yet... even when i do all that. They still have to give me dozens of talks about what is in meat, it's killing this and that, all these facts about animals, and go on and on.

I'm a body-builder and in the best shape of my life. I am all about protein! yes i am 100% aware there are vegan or vegetarian options for this. But, i am not interested in that. I like the diet i am with and don't want a strict vegan or vegetarian diet. Why can't people respect that?

I feel vegans, vegetarians, and meat eaters. Should all worry about them and not preach to others about what they eat. Are the people they talk to about this overweight? are they in some sort of horrible state?

I also tell them I'm not trying to look like them, they're not trying to look like me, and we are young and healthy. That's all that should matter right? i just don't find constantly judging and preaching to others about converting to an eating lifestyle to be a helpful thing. I seriously feel like i have people trying to convert me another religion... or turn me from gay to straight. That is how intense some of the vegans and vegetarians get in LA.

Thoughts? comments?

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Reply #1 posted 12/21/13 3:22am

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I am very accommodating of people's personal food choices - I have to be, I'm a difficult dinner guest myself (lactose and gluten intolerant bawl ).

I want to invite our vegetarian friends over to our house, and I will put on a good spread for them on the BBQ. Gonna scrub that hotplate clean too first.

But my friends aren't preachy about their choice. They work in animal shelters too, so I know where they come from with this and I respect it. They are also athletes, so I know their diet is working out for them and I don't need to tell them to eat some meat LOL

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Reply #2 posted 12/21/13 4:02am

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OK, u raise a valid issue here. I'm veg and I make a point of not harrassing meat-eaters because I just don't think it... works. I don't think u'll get any meat eater to go veg by making them feel bad, on the contrary u'll make tham wanna stick to their habits even more. It's more about educating people, giving them a stronger sense of empathy and compassion.

Now even though I blame the method for lack of efficiency I somehow understand veggies who r after meat-eaters' asses. U know the thing is that every day billions of animals die and suffer horrible lives and deaths because of meat-eating. It's not an opinion, it's a FACT. They feel pain and fear just the same way we do, particularly vertebraes. So to us it's a bit as if u had, IDK, them Talibans saying "we can't stand these humanist MF's harrassing us for not giving any rights to women and make rape and women slavery an institution", or some people saying "Them humanists are harrassing us for perpetrating a genocide, why won't they let us slaugthers these Jews/Tutsis/Armenians/Bosnians/non-communists/u name it bastards in peace?!".

So yeah I understand meat-eaters being tired of the BS because so many veg's r just agressive and not showing any kind of understanding towards meat-eaters, and I understand that eating meat is a deep-rooted cultural trend that most humans consider a God-given right and a natural thing to do. But from a humanist POV, the animals are still suffering horrible lives and deaths. So I try to preach tolerance among other veg's, but it's somewhat hard to preach tolerance when billions of sentient creatures r suffereing at the very same minute we're discussing the ethics of vegetarism and meat-eating lol

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Reply #3 posted 12/21/13 4:20am

Dave1992

If someone asks me why I don't eat meat, I tell them. If not, why bother?

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Reply #4 posted 12/21/13 6:42am

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Preaching to anyone about diet choices doesn't work, no matter what you're talking about.

As a vegetarian I simply don't talk about it unless folks ask or it becomes necessary for some reason. Often simply saying the word "vegetarian" makes many meat-eaters pre-emptively tell you how much they love meat and how they could never be a veggie and on and on and on. It's like they go on the defensive immediately. Not everyone, of course, but it's a majority for sure. I think by simply saying you're veggie people assume you're judging them for their diet choices and they need to prove something right away.

I sorta get the response as there are a lot of judgemental vegans, don't get me wrong, but I really think it's no more so than anyone else, it's just something to pick on. People get holier than thou about their diets all the time, whether it's vegan, paleo, atkins, even regular old american meat eaters. Heck, people get all puffed up defending their McDonald's. Whatevs.



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Reply #5 posted 12/21/13 7:40am

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I do understand that people talk about subjects that concerns them. So, maybe they just talk about it, without the intention of forcing their life-style to you?


I hold myself responsible for my decisions. That's why I became vegetarian recently. If I buy meat, I support an industry that handles against all my values. So, I will make sure that not one dime of my money goes to the people who run those horrible corporations.


Maybe your friends are just talking about what bothers them. Did you ask them if they mean it personally and think that you can be hold responsible for what industry you support with your money?

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Reply #6 posted 12/21/13 8:47am

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the real evil is the factory farm torture of intelligent animals which makes meat eating a blasphemy

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Reply #7 posted 12/21/13 9:43am

Timmy84

I'm one of those people if I decided to eat veggie food over meat, that's my personal choice, I don't try to force it on people to change their lifestyle. But that's just me. I'm apolitical when it comes to that though I'm REAL upset by GMO but that's as far as that goes (and it affects both meat and vegetables). I'm a meat eater by the way (but I also love vegetables).

[Edited 12/21/13 9:43am]

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Reply #8 posted 12/21/13 10:10am

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Its the other way around too you know. Even more so the other way around. You even been a vegetarion/vegan?

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I know how it is being vegetarian myself. 90 percent of the time vegetarians do NOT announce what they are. Because a lot of the times people start rubbing in their face what they eat. Either intentionally or unintentionally. "Yeah Im gonna eat a shit load of meat, I LOVE meat" "Yeah I cant do that, I love dead animals"

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Things like that. Happens all the time, its pretty annoying. Its like "Yeah we know, thanks" Nobody cares,

*

Not only that but you have to deal with all the annoyance of all the misinformation a long with it. I box/work out and dont eat meat, a lot of times I always hear the exact same 3 sentences over and over. Which by now I have 3 automated responces I regurgitate the exact same way like a robot on autoplay because I've heard them so much.

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Sometimes yes there are vegetarians/vegans "on a mission" but even more so casually as a vegetarian you have to deal with the same nonsense from the majority of people over and over.

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Reply #9 posted 12/21/13 10:29am

Gunsnhalen

dJJ said:

I do understand that people talk about subjects that concerns them. So, maybe they just talk about it, without the intention of forcing their life-style to you?


I hold myself responsible for my decisions. That's why I became vegetarian recently. If I buy meat, I support an industry that handles against all my values. So, I will make sure that not one dime of my money goes to the people who run those horrible corporations.


Maybe your friends are just talking about what bothers them. Did you ask them if they mean it personally and think that you can be hold responsible for what industry you support with your money?

They do it in a judgemental way. Like, they want you to change your life for them. I never once did that too them... which is why i think it's rude.

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Reply #10 posted 12/21/13 10:29am

Gunsnhalen

LayzieKiddZ said:

Its the other way around too you know. Even more so the other way around. You even been a vegetarion/vegan?

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I know how it is being vegetarian myself. 90 percent of the time vegetarians do NOT announce what they are. Because a lot of the times people start rubbing in their face what they eat. Either intentionally or unintentionally. "Yeah Im gonna eat a shit load of meat, I LOVE meat" "Yeah I cant do that, I love dead animals"

*

Things like that. Happens all the time, its pretty annoying. Its like "Yeah we know, thanks" Nobody cares,

*

Not only that but you have to deal with all the annoyance of all the misinformation a long with it. I box/work out and dont eat meat, a lot of times I always hear the exact same 3 sentences over and over. Which by now I have 3 automated responces I regurgitate the exact same way like a robot on autoplay because I've heard them so much.

*
Sometimes yes there are vegetarians/vegans "on a mission" but even more so casually as a vegetarian you have to deal with the same nonsense from the majority of people over and over.

Of course! i know vegans and vegatarians go through shit too. I don't think ANYONE should be trying to throw their diet onto others like it's a gospel.

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Reply #11 posted 12/21/13 10:41am

dJJ

Timmy84 said:

I'm one of those people if I decided to eat veggie food over meat, that's my personal choice, I don't try to force it on people to change their lifestyle. But that's just me. I'm apolitical when it comes to that though I'm REAL upset by GMO but that's as far as that goes (and it affects both meat and vegetables). I'm a meat eater by the way (but I also love vegetables).



GMO food is extremely upsetting.


Especially because the government and Monsanto are sooooo close.

There is evidence that men have became less fertile. Their seed is not as good as it used to be.

The same result is found in rats and mice (and other animals) who were served GMO food.

It's not only the gmo food, btw. It's also the toxics that are sprayed upon the GMO food that makes men infertile.

IMO, this is the biggest scandal since WWII, unfortunately nobody seems to care.

BTW, if the meat industry would not be as criminal as it is, I might eat meat now and then.

I'm not against eating meat (sometimes) per se, however, the way the animals are treated is just disgusting.

And there of course is the growth hormones, anti-biotics, bacterias and what more that influences your body, when you eat meat.



eek I'm doing exactly what Gunshalen his friends are doing!!!


Sorry, Gunshalen. It's not that I want you to change. It's just the topic that gets me talking.

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Reply #12 posted 12/21/13 10:44am

dJJ

Gunsnhalen said:

dJJ said:

I do understand that people talk about subjects that concerns them. So, maybe they just talk about it, without the intention of forcing their life-style to you?


I hold myself responsible for my decisions. That's why I became vegetarian recently. If I buy meat, I support an industry that handles against all my values. So, I will make sure that not one dime of my money goes to the people who run those horrible corporations.


Maybe your friends are just talking about what bothers them. Did you ask them if they mean it personally and think that you can be hold responsible for what industry you support with your money?

They do it in a judgemental way. Like, they want you to change your life for them. I never once did that too them... which is why i think it's rude.



Did you tell them you felt as if they wanted to change who you are?


I've had the same thing with a vegetarian once. Got me very irritated.

I might even hide that I don't eat meat anymore, just to irritate him evillol

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Reply #13 posted 12/21/13 10:49am

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I can confirm what's been said above: people's reactions are indeed always the same when u say u're veg: automatic responses that go from miaking fun of it or provoking u to trying to convince u how wrong u r. That's deeply annoying and I always dislike that moment when I have 2 say I'm veg because 9 times outta 10 I'll get a negative feedback.

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Reply #14 posted 12/21/13 10:49am

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Gunsnhalen said:

LayzieKiddZ said:

Its the other way around too you know. Even more so the other way around. You even been a vegetarion/vegan?

*

I know how it is being vegetarian myself. 90 percent of the time vegetarians do NOT announce what they are. Because a lot of the times people start rubbing in their face what they eat. Either intentionally or unintentionally. "Yeah Im gonna eat a shit load of meat, I LOVE meat" "Yeah I cant do that, I love dead animals"

*

Things like that. Happens all the time, its pretty annoying. Its like "Yeah we know, thanks" Nobody cares,

*

Not only that but you have to deal with all the annoyance of all the misinformation a long with it. I box/work out and dont eat meat, a lot of times I always hear the exact same 3 sentences over and over. Which by now I have 3 automated responces I regurgitate the exact same way like a robot on autoplay because I've heard them so much.

*
Sometimes yes there are vegetarians/vegans "on a mission" but even more so casually as a vegetarian you have to deal with the same nonsense from the majority of people over and over.

Of course! i know vegans and vegatarians go through shit too. I don't think ANYONE should be trying to throw their diet onto others like it's a gospel.

Well hey thats something we can all agree on. Misspelled ever* earlier, probably sounded mad.

[Edited 12/21/13 10:50am]

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Reply #15 posted 12/21/13 11:14am

Gunsnhalen

dJJ said:

Gunsnhalen said:

They do it in a judgemental way. Like, they want you to change your life for them. I never once did that too them... which is why i think it's rude.



Did you tell them you felt as if they wanted to change who you are?


I've had the same thing with a vegetarian once. Got me very irritated.

I might even hide that I don't eat meat anymore, just to irritate him evillol

razz lol that would drive them off the wall lol i don't think i could live with myself razz

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Reply #16 posted 12/21/13 11:15am

Gunsnhalen

dJJ said:

Timmy84 said:

I'm one of those people if I decided to eat veggie food over meat, that's my personal choice, I don't try to force it on people to change their lifestyle. But that's just me. I'm apolitical when it comes to that though I'm REAL upset by GMO but that's as far as that goes (and it affects both meat and vegetables). I'm a meat eater by the way (but I also love vegetables).



GMO food is extremely upsetting.


Especially because the government and Monsanto are sooooo close.

There is evidence that men have became less fertile. Their seed is not as good as it used to be.

The same result is found in rats and mice (and other animals) who were served GMO food.

It's not only the gmo food, btw. It's also the toxics that are sprayed upon the GMO food that makes men infertile.

IMO, this is the biggest scandal since WWII, unfortunately nobody seems to care.

BTW, if the meat industry would not be as criminal as it is, I might eat meat now and then.

I'm not against eating meat (sometimes) per se, however, the way the animals are treated is just disgusting.

And there of course is the growth hormones, anti-biotics, bacterias and what more that influences your body, when you eat meat.



eek I'm doing exactly what Gunshalen his friends are doing!!!


Sorry, Gunshalen. It's not that I want you to change. It's just the topic that gets me talking.

That's fair. I really don't mind hearing general concern or opinion. Just as long as your not beating over the head and forcing me to change my sinful ways pray

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Reply #17 posted 12/21/13 11:59am

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dJJ said:

Timmy84 said:

I'm one of those people if I decided to eat veggie food over meat, that's my personal choice, I don't try to force it on people to change their lifestyle. But that's just me. I'm apolitical when it comes to that though I'm REAL upset by GMO but that's as far as that goes (and it affects both meat and vegetables). I'm a meat eater by the way (but I also love vegetables).



GMO food is extremely upsetting.


Especially because the government and Monsanto are sooooo close.

There is evidence that men have became less fertile. Their seed is not as good as it used to be.

The same result is found in rats and mice (and other animals) who were served GMO food.

It's not only the gmo food, btw. It's also the toxics that are sprayed upon the GMO food that makes men infertile.

IMO, this is the biggest scandal since WWII, unfortunately nobody seems to care.

BTW, if the meat industry would not be as criminal as it is, I might eat meat now and then.

I'm not against eating meat (sometimes) per se, however, the way the animals are treated is just disgusting.

And there of course is the growth hormones, anti-biotics, bacterias and what more that influences your body, when you eat meat.



eek I'm doing exactly what Gunshalen his friends are doing!!!


Sorry, Gunshalen. It's not that I want you to change. It's just the topic that gets me talking.

I'm surprised that food can even be considered food in the US with all the GMO.
Not only in vegtiable and food products, but meat itself. Its disasterous. Its work to just find real food now a days. Worst part is most people dont know.

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Reply #18 posted 12/21/13 12:10pm

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Guns, I'm with you 1000%. As a fellow weight-trainer, I make sure I eat my share of veggies, but I LOVE meat. Wouldn't give it up for the world. Beef, chicken, goat, lamb, fish, pork - drool drool! Don't really care how the animals are killed, long as my belly's full. That sounds harsh, but hey, humas won - we're top of the food chain.

Come to think of it, plants are living things too. How do we know what they feel?

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Reply #19 posted 12/21/13 12:33pm

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uPtoWnNY said:

Guns, I'm with you 1000%. As a fellow weight-trainer, I make sure I eat my share of veggies, but I LOVE meat. Wouldn't give it up for the world. Beef, chicken, goat, lamb, fish, pork - drool drool! Don't really care how the animals are killed, long as my belly's full. That sounds harsh, but hey, humas won - we're top of the food chain.

Come to think of it, plants are living things too. How do we know what they feel?

We don't, but according to our current understanding of the processes of congintion and pain, plants aren't sentient nor do they feel pain or anything else. Similarly, some studies tend to show that arthropods, though somehow sentient, can't feel pain (but this is a controversial subject at this point, as some other studies may suggest the opposite and we really have no way to know for sure at this point).

What we DO know on the other hand is that molluscs and all vertebraes not only are sentient beings but feel pain similarly to us: the physical process of pain is the same for them.

As for emotions such as sadness, fear and anguish, all mammals and birds definitely feel them and it's also likely that reptilians, fishes and molluscs feel them as well but we're not certain to what extent. Octopi and turtles have showed quite intelligent behaviors, though, so they're likely to feel emotions. As for arthropods we don't know if and what they feel, because it's really hard to determine what, in their behavior, is "preprogrammed" and to what extent they are sentient or simply "automated" lifeforms.

So if u gonna do damage control u can't say for sure but it seems much more ethic to eat vegetals, then arthropods, but it's totally unethical to eat other animals.

So in doubt I eat only vegetals because even though I don't know what it does to them I DO know what it does to animals smile

I am absolutely convinced that in a few centuries all humanity will be veg, since there is no reason for animal rights not to progress and become the norm the same way human rights are (slowly) becoming the norm around the globe.

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Reply #20 posted 12/21/13 12:35pm

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On the other hands in a few decades ALL mosquito species will be extinct by the hand of man and I'm all for it! lol lol

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Reply #21 posted 12/21/13 8:25pm

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Reply #22 posted 12/21/13 8:27pm

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used to be a veg head for five years. then i stopped. i tried to transition. i can't. When i was teen and a complete animal activist i used to get into with people about it. it always resulted in me being mad and the other person laughing. I stop. my life is better now. you ultimately eat what you want in the end.

p.s. i can digest pork or red meat. so i think whats known a pollotarian?

i hate fish..

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Reply #23 posted 12/21/13 8:38pm

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CarrieMpls said:

Preaching to anyone about diet choices doesn't work, no matter what you're talking about.

As a vegetarian I simply don't talk about it unless folks ask or it becomes necessary for some reason. Often simply saying the word "vegetarian" makes many meat-eaters pre-emptively tell you how much they love meat and how they could never be a veggie and on and on and on. It's like they go on the defensive immediately. Not everyone, of course, but it's a majority for sure. I think by simply saying you're veggie people assume you're judging them for their diet choices and they need to prove something right away.

I sorta get the response as there are a lot of judgemental vegans, don't get me wrong, but I really think it's no more so than anyone else, it's just something to pick on. People get holier than thou about their diets all the time, whether it's vegan, paleo, atkins, even regular old american meat eaters. Heck, people get all puffed up defending their McDonald's. Whatevs.



Carrie, your response was pretty spot on! I've stoppd cow dairy because I have respiratory issues, and going meatless makes me feel better, but i'm not going to shame u. Why? Because I crave fried chicken every damn day! lol I only started to omit meat and dairy to reduce respiratory issues and it's working! But I'm so not judging, because I'm craving a steak! lol

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Reply #24 posted 12/21/13 10:06pm

dJJ

It's hard to be a vegetarian when you have tasted fried chicken. I love chicken.

Unfortunately, I have decided that I want to be a moralistic pain in my own ass........



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Reply #25 posted 12/22/13 7:12am

Timmy84

Rococo said:

used to be a veg head for five years. then i stopped. i tried to transition. i can't. When i was teen and a complete animal activist i used to get into with people about it. it always resulted in me being mad and the other person laughing. I stop. my life is better now. you ultimately eat what you want in the end.

p.s. i can digest pork or red meat. so i think whats known a pollotarian?

i hate fish..

I stopped eating seafood a few years ago. I never was a fan of fish. I tried but I think the taste (and the fact that a lot of bones were still intact made me not want fish of any kind. Only seafood I can eat is mackrels and even then it's not even my favorite type of food.

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Reply #26 posted 12/22/13 7:23am

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dJJ said:

It's hard to be a vegetarian when you have tasted fried chicken. I love chicken.

Unfortunately, I have decided that I want to be a moralistic pain in my own ass........



pfffffffffffffff

Fried chicken....it's so good! But it doesn't love me back. smile

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Reply #27 posted 12/22/13 7:48am

damosuzuki

I’m coming up on my second anniversary of adopting a vegetarian diet pretty quickly, and I made that choice for the kinds of reasons I suspect your friends are going on about. I’m not there, and I can’t tell how your friends are approaching the issue, but I think there are very good reasons for people to stop eating meat, and if people do choose to eat meat they ought to at least consider those things and think about them more than most people do, and if your friends are bringing those issues to you then I don’t think they’re doing anything really wrong.

It’s easy to become tone-deaf on these things, and I try to be tactful & soft-sell my points & not continuously drone on. I don’t know if it’s something I always do well, but my experience to date has been that bringing these things up hasn’t made people antagonistic or dismissive, but rather provoked a lot of pretty interesting & reasonable conversations. Perhaps some of that is because I made the conversion relatively late in life (42), so I’m not getting dismissed as a kid going through a phase, but I think most of it is because I try to bring a logic and rigour to the discussion. I certainly don’t want to proselytize or anything, but I think there are a lot of very serious discussion points in this area, and people who eat meat ought to at least be thinking about those issues, and I think if people can approach the topic in the right way, you can raise awareness & consciousness on those very things.

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Reply #28 posted 12/22/13 9:25am

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I am in the strong believe that meat shaming people is bullshit. And just as annoying as people who try to shame you for being atheist, christian, or another religion they don't like.

I have some friends who are vegan, or Vegetarian. I respect their choice to do that! never question, never shame them, never talk down to them. HELL... i even go to vegan restaurants with them cause I'm open minded. And when i invite a huge group of friends over... i will cook a vegan dish too. I try to be considerate and respectful about my friends diet and eating lifestyles.

Yet... even when i do all that. They still have to give me dozens of talks about what is in meat, it's killing this and that, all these facts about animals, and go on and on.

I'm a body-builder and in the best shape of my life. I am all about protein! yes i am 100% aware there are vegan or vegetarian options for this. But, i am not interested in that. I like the diet i am with and don't want a strict vegan or vegetarian diet. Why can't people respect that?

I feel vegans, vegetarians, and meat eaters. Should all worry about them and not preach to others about what they eat. Are the people they talk to about this overweight? are they in some sort of horrible state?

I also tell them I'm not trying to look like them, they're not trying to look like me, and we are young and healthy. That's all that should matter right? i just don't find constantly judging and preaching to others about converting to an eating lifestyle to be a helpful thing. I seriously feel like i have people trying to convert me another religion... or turn me from gay to straight. That is how intense some of the vegans and vegetarians get in LA.

Thoughts? comments?

1) I sincerely appreciate what you do for your friends - not many of mine are that open-minded.

2) Don't tar us all with the same brush like you seemed to end up doing in your post (which was a little disappointing after such a great opening salvo!) Because i'm not like them. At all.

I've been Vegetarian since 1985, and Lacto-Vegetarian for nearly ten years now. I don't judge others on what they eat (for pretty much the reasons you yourself stated so eloquently above). I will admit, it only truly frustrates me when people disrespect where their food comes from and what it went thru to get there - but even then, i'll still hold my tongue. But if people want to engage me on the topic, i'm happy to sit, listen and talk it out.

We're NOT all the same, thanks.

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