wild. we all know this culture exists, but to have it formalized and published like this is a step in an even uglier direction.... parents - read/watch this with your kids. talk about it.

http://gawker.com/frat-ho...442143270A

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A Georgia Tech fraternity will likely face discipline after one of its top members sent out a chapter-wide email advising brother on how to lure "rapebait" at parties.

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The email, which was first brought to the administration's attention two weeks ago by concerned students, began making the social media rounds today after being forwarded to the college life site Total Frat Move.

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Attributed to the social chair of GT's Phi Kappa Tau chapter, the "rapiest email ever," as TFM calls it, goes into graphic detail on the topic of "how to mack and succeed at parties."

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TFM sums it up:The subject of his email is “Luring your Rapebait,” and it reads as a “How-to” guide on talking to girls at parties, getting them drunk, aggressively dancing with them, then finally, closing the deal.

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And although he urges his brothers, “NO RAPING,” this is the rapiest tangent I’ve ever seen.Read the full exchange below (sic throughout):Alright chods, some of you could use some help on how to mack and succeed at parties. Mostly pledges do, but some bros could use a review. For anytime throughout the party… If you are standing by yourself at any point, YOU ARE OUTTA HERE!!! If you are talking to a brother of your pledge brothers when there are girls just standing around, YOU ARE OUTTA HERE!!!

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Ok, if it is before midnight… A group of girls is standing around, grab a bro or pledge bro and go talk to them. First, introduce yourself and get their name, ask if they are having a good time, and then ask if they want anything to drink. If they say yes, walk them to the bar and tell them what we have to drink. If they say no and they look like they are in a sorority, ask them if they are in a sorority (DUH). If not, choose one of the following: where are you living, where are you from, have you been here before, how are classes going, or where all have you been tonight.

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Then proceed to have a conversation. IF THEY ARE HAMMERED AT ANY POINT BEFORE MIDNIGHT, JUST SKIP THE CHIT CHAT AND GO DANCE. Midnight or after, if you have been talking for awhile and they’ve had a couple drinks, ask if they want to dance. If you see an untalked to group or a solo girl, go up to her and ask if she wants anything to drink. If she says yes, get her a drink and then ask if she wants to dance. If she says no, ask her to dance. DANCING IS FUN!!!!!

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Always try to dance. If she does not want to dance and is with friends, say “aw thats no fun” (or something like that) and then ask one of her friends.Here is how to dance: Grab them on the hips with your 2 hands and then let them grind against your dick. After that slowly alternate between just putting your hand across their stomach, but make sure don’t to go to high (keep it under the boob) or too low(dont try to finger her… yet).

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After a song, start putting your cheek on the side of her cheek. ALWAYS USE YOUR HANDS OR ARMS TO GUIDE THEIR DANCING in order to maximize your pleasure. If she starts putting her hair over her ear, THAT MEANS SHE WANTS A KISS. Therefore, try to give her a kiss on the cheek. They usually like that and nothing really should ebcome of it. In the case, go for the neck kiss. If for some reason they aren’t down for a cheek kiss, just dance through it or say you are going to get another drink and see if they want one. And then repeat from the beginning.If the party is going good (a.k.a. there are a lot of open girls) try to escalate cause it’s awesome. Here is how to escalate:

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Try to twist her hips around to face you and dance front to front. FROM THERE THE OPTIONS ARE UNLIMITED! You can make-out with her (tongue on tongue), you can stick your hand up her shirt (not right away though), you can go for a butt grab (outside or inside the shirts), or use your imagination. ALWAYS START WITH THE MAKING OUT!!!! NO RAPING.A short guide consist of the 7 E’s of HOOKING UP!

1. Encounter (spot a girl or group of girls)

2. Engage (go up and talk to them)

3. Escalate (ask them to dance, or ask them to go up to your room or find a couch, depending on what kind of party)

4. Erection (GET HARD)

5. Excavate (should be self-explanatory)

6. Ejaculate (should also be self explanatory)

7. Expunge (send them out of your room and on their way out when you are finished. IF ANYTHING EVER FAILS, GO GET MORE ALCOHOL.

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I want to see everyone succeed at the next couple parties.In luring rapebait,[name redacted].Following the wide release of the email's content, ΦKT's brothers have gone into hiding and the email's alleged author appears to have deleted his Facebook page.On the frat's alumni list, one member wrote a "heads up" to other alumni letting them know "the email" has gone viral."The alumni groups (BOG, House Corporation), Georgia Tech, and the National fraternity are aware of this incident and have taken actions," wrote the alumnus, faculty member Rob Butera.

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"We have asked everyone (actives, volunteers) to refrain from any comments to the press/media and allow representatives of Georgia Tech as well as Phi Kappa Tau to speak officially on the topic and the actions that were taken."While Georgia Tech and the school's Interfraternity Council have yet to issue an official statement, some readers of TFM are already offering a defense of the Phi Tau bro."As Creepy/Rapey as this was; this should have never gotten out," writes FratRowRugby. "House Business is House Business. Period."[video via Uyen Le] LDiscuss

Oh no, that's just harmless, how to get a girl drunk and out of her panties 101. Somebody might just need to do a random drug screening on the damn house drinks. I'm just sayin'.

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

Oh no, that's just harmless, how to get a girl drunk and out of her panties 101. Somebody might just need to do a random drug screening on the damn house drinks. I'm just sayin'.

...and this is news because...?

I don't mean to belittle the seriousness of how disgusting this is, but after going on and on about getting a girl to dance with you and how to dance once someone agrees this line got me:

Try to twist her hips around to face you and dance front to front.

So up to this point to these guys "dancing" means having a girl grind her ass on your dick? That the only way to dance is with her back to you? Kids these days. It's so ridiculous.

CarrieMpls said:

I don't mean to belittle the seriousness of how disgusting this is, but after going on and on about getting a girl to dance with you and how to dance once someone agrees this line got me:

Try to twist her hips around to face you and dance front to front.

So up to this point to these guys "dancing" means having a girl grind her ass on your dick? That the only way to dance is with her back to you? Kids these days. It's so ridiculous.

Carrie, seriously. You know as well as I do that none of this shit is new.

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

Oh no, that's just harmless, how to get a girl drunk and out of her panties 101. Somebody might just need to do a random drug screening on the damn house drinks. I'm just sayin'.

i agree that a culture of rape is alive and well in the USA

PurpleJedi said:

...and this is news because...?

this particular example made the news because it was accompanied by a little movie which was widely distributed online.

CarrieMpls said:

I don't mean to belittle the seriousness of how disgusting this is, but after going on and on about getting a girl to dance with you and how to dance once someone agrees this line got me:

Try to twist her hips around to face you and dance front to front.

So up to this point to these guys "dancing" means having a girl grind her ass on your dick? That the only way to dance is with her back to you? Kids these days. It's so ridiculous.

sweet, isn't it? such an excellent strategy to use women

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JustErin said:

CarrieMpls said:

I don't mean to belittle the seriousness of how disgusting this is, but after going on and on about getting a girl to dance with you and how to dance once someone agrees this line got me:

So up to this point to these guys "dancing" means having a girl grind her ass on your dick? That the only way to dance is with her back to you? Kids these days. It's so ridiculous.

Carrie, seriously. You know as well as I do that none of this shit is new.

thanks so much for weighing in

It actually all sounds consensual up until "FROM THERE THE OPTIONS ARE UNLIMITED!", then it sounds crazy.

"House Business is House Business. Period."

Yeah.Fucking.Right

JustErin said:

CarrieMpls said:

I don't mean to belittle the seriousness of how disgusting this is, but after going on and on about getting a girl to dance with you and how to dance once someone agrees this line got me:

So up to this point to these guys "dancing" means having a girl grind her ass on your dick? That the only way to dance is with her back to you? Kids these days. It's so ridiculous.

Carrie, seriously. You know as well as I do that none of this shit is new.

True. Now imagine if an instruction manual had been mass mailed to every horny toad around, just prior.

^ um, yeah. the video and accompanying verbage ARE an instruction manual

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

JustErin said:

XxAxX said:

^ um, yeah. the video and accompanying verbage ARE an instruction manual

The link gives me an error. So it's the verbiage alone, that's the instruction manual to me.

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

XxAxX said:

^ um, yeah. the video and accompanying verbage ARE an instruction manual

The link gives me an error. So it's the verbiage alone, that's the instruction manual to me.

i think it's been removed, i can't find the youtube clip. here's another link

http://www.heavy.com/news...ait-email/

the whole thing just creeps me out. remember, this follows on the heels of massively publicized rape events in india, and of course america and elsewhere. the point is there has been a lot of discussion on this topic recently and if, after all that media exposure about rape in india and public demonstrations against it and discussion about the topic of rape and how shameful it all was, if EVEN NOW a bunch of frat boys still think this is even slightly funny, or cool, in any way.... seriously fucking creepy

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CarrieMpls said:

JustErin said:

I'm not talking about the whole article. I am talking about what Carrie mentioned about the "dancing".

Eh, I guess I wouldn't know. I've never been to a frat party. Back in the day when I went out dancing, grinding your ass on someone wasn't super common and it certainly wasn't the way you started dancing with someone, even if maybe it progressed to that.

Weird, I'm pretty sure I'm older than you and I can't think of any time that I went out dancing and didn't have some creep try to dance with me by grinding up on me. So annoying and gross. Looking around too grinding couples were everywhere. Yuck.

I've never been to a frat party.

XxAxX said:

PurpleJedi said:

...and this is news because...?

this particular example made the news because it was accompanied by a little movie which was widely distributed online.

Ahh...OK.

Because for as long as I've been alive, frat houses are notorious for being dens of booze and sex.

JustErin said:

CarrieMpls said:

JustErin said: Eh, I guess I wouldn't know. I've never been to a frat party. Back in the day when I went out dancing, grinding your ass on someone wasn't super common and it certainly wasn't the way you started dancing with someone, even if maybe it progressed to that.

Weird, I'm pretty sure I'm older than you and I can't think of any time that I went out dancing and didn't have some creep try to dance with me by grinding up on me. So annoying and gross. Looking around too grinding couples were everywhere. Yuck.

I've never been to a frat party.

I suppose you're right. I forget these things so easily. My dancing days started at raves (where everyone dances "alone") and moved on to mostly gay bars so it wasn't that prevalent but I do remember guys trying to grind on me now and again. I would always just dance away.

Yeah, preeettty sure the guide said "let them grind against..." not " YOU grind up on". There are definite steps and stages to this activity CONTINUING.

XxAxX said:

remember, this follows on the heels of massively publicized rape events in india, and of course america and elsewhere.

All of those stories were way worse, but I can see why this flood of stories creeps you out. Both young men and women need to learn how to treat each other fairly.

Cinny said:

XxAxX said:

remember, this follows on the heels of massively publicized rape events in india, and of course america and elsewhere.

All of those stories were way worse, but I can see why this flood of stories creeps you out. Both young men and women need to learn how to treat each other fairly.

it is ESPECIALLY creepy in a day and age where some folks are trying to force other folks to bear children, even those produced through such involuntary unions. i would have thought that today's generation of youth would be more sensitive, but i guess the power of the dick outweighs any such considerations

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XxAxX said:

Cinny said:

All of those stories were way worse, but I can see why this flood of stories creeps you out. Both young men and women need to learn how to treat each other fairly.

it is ESPECIALLY creepy in a day and age where some folks are trying to force other folks to bear children, even those produced through such involuntary unions. i would have thought that today's generation of youth would be more sensitive, but i guess the power of the dick outweighs any such considerations

What about the power of the pussy? A woman can certainly say no at any step in that dorky guide's planned sequence. She can certainly hook up if she wants to as well.

Cinny said:

XxAxX said:

it is ESPECIALLY creepy in a day and age where some folks are trying to force other folks to bear children, even those produced through such involuntary unions. i would have thought that today's generation of youth would be more sensitive, but i guess the power of the dick outweighs any such considerations

What about the power of the pussy? A woman can certainly say no at any step in that dorky guide's planned sequence. She can certainly hook up if she wants to as well.

remember this bit?: guide on talking to girls at parties, getting them drunk, aggressively dancing with them, then finally, closing the deal.

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that scenario doesn't really have a contingency plan for when she refuses which is in her power to do but not if she has been drugged, or is too drunk to consent. NO ONE should take advantage of someone who is drunk

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but i see your point, and yes women have the power to refuse. although, back when i used to go to clubs, i was frequently harassed. once i had a guy insist that i dance with him, even after i said no and left the area, he followed me around and kept demanding that i explain why i chose not to make contact with him. he stopped only after i found a security guard and told him what was going on.

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most guys are not assholes, most are quite nice. but there is a pervasive culture of sexual entitlement in america and elsewhere. globally, really. why do men feel themselves entitled to pussy? why not simply beat off???? to go to the lengths of using the date rape drug, or overdoses of alcohol, for a sexual encounter, i mean, really? imo, it is totally creepy that 'scoring' sexually trumps common sense and/or compassion for other human beings.

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and yes, we can flip the scenario, some women are truly awful as well. and use aguy's addiction to pussy to exploit his wallet and etc. but i digress.

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basically, i guess i'm just disappointed that we have not made much progress in this area

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XxAxX said:

Cinny said:

What about the power of the pussy? A woman can certainly say no at any step in that dorky guide's planned sequence. She can certainly hook up if she wants to as well.

remember this bit?: guide on talking to girls at parties, getting them drunk,

I admit I skipped over the intro written by the third party website, and just went to the "guide", which actually seems harmless.

First, introduce yourself and get their name, ask if they are having a good time, and then ask if they want anything to drink. If they say yes, walk them to the bar and tell them what we have to drink.

I mean.. it's just polite to offer a drink at party. That's certainly not out of line if you are chatting up a stranger and wanting to dance. It even recommends to NOT offer a drink, if she's already been drinking.

Then proceed to have a conversation. IF THEY ARE HAMMERED AT ANY POINT BEFORE MIDNIGHT, JUST SKIP THE CHIT CHAT AND GO DANCE. Midnight or after, if you have been talking for awhile and they’ve had a couple drinks, ask if they want to dance.

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i get your point, women don't have to attend parties, but with the rape and domestic abuse stats being what they are, are you seriously trying to argue that this 'rape bait' shit is okay? really??

http://www.cbsnews.com/83...ault-case/

I never went to any frat parties back in the day. I had no desire to go. Parties, yes, frat parties no. Almost always they were parties of people I already knew (not strangers).