Cinny said:

VenusBlingBling said:

I notice that almost everything that isn't part of Christianity seems to be called the occult. Just like in the "good ol' days". So are all non-Christian symbols evil? Because that's what it sounds like to me, Tony.

The swastica is an Asian symbol of the sun and happiness. Calling it occult seems kind of derogatory to me, as you only seem to have negative feelings towards the occult.

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What is the occult to you?

This is why I stopped reading this kind of stuff. At the bottom line, most of these theories are very intolerant.

By now, you should know me (professionally speaking) better than that Cinnie. I don't care for conspiracy theories. I only care to know conspiracy facts.

TonyVanDam said:

Cinny said:

This is why I stopped reading this kind of stuff. At the bottom line, most of these theories are very intolerant.

By now, you should know me (professionally speaking) better than that Cinnie. I don't care for conspiracy theories. I only care to know conspiracy facts.

True enough, Tony.

I never thought about it, that Miley never got a chance to develop her own identity. Her identity is an invented marketing strategy?

But Miley can doe as she pleases, rigth?

I mean, she doesn't need to obey her handlers anymore, does she?

She can be however she wants to be.

As long as she is not addicted that is. Otherwise her addiction will dictate her what she does.

dJJ said:

I never thought about it, that Miley never got a chance to develop her own identity. Her identity is an invented marketing strategy?

But Miley can doe as she pleases, rigth?

I mean, she doesn't need to obey her handlers anymore, does she?

She can be however she wants to be.

As long as she is not addicted that is. Otherwise her addiction will dictate her what she does.

Bingo.

TonyVanDam said:

dJJ said:

I never thought about it, that Miley never got a chance to develop her own identity. Her identity is an invented marketing strategy?

But Miley can doe as she pleases, rigth?

I mean, she doesn't need to obey her handlers anymore, does she?

She can be however she wants to be.

As long as she is not addicted that is. Otherwise her addiction will dictate her what she does.

Bingo.

Isn't that the case with 90% of all artists? Nothing shocking there.

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VenusBlingBling said:

TonyVanDam said:

Bingo.

Isn't that the case with 90% of all artists? Nothing shocking there.

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But there is a difference if you create your artist imago yourself, eg Prince, Gaga, Madonna, Jack White, or that you let other people dress you as if you are their personal Barbie doll.

Rihanna, Miley, Perry and Byonce seem very marketed.

Alltough, the short hair cut of Miley and Byonce, to me, came across as a statement by them, against the hypersexualisation of girls.

tinaz said:

dJJ said: VenusBlingBling said: Isn't that the case with 90% of all artists? Nothing shocking there. . But there is a difference if you create your artist imago yourself, eg Prince, Gaga, Madonna, Jack White, or that you let other people dress you as if you are their personal Barbie doll.Rihanna, Miley, Perry and Byonce seem very marketed.Alltough, the short hair cut of Miley and Byonce, to me, came across as a statement by them, against the hypersexualisation of girls. .................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................Your last sentence doesnt add up... they are still wearing TONS of makeup and dressing in skimpy outfits....

Actually, there are lots of people and journalists who seem to read them that way. I constantly see articles saying Rihanna and Miley are getting bashed because they don't fit the traditional mold of what a woman is supposed to be like, that they act more like boys than girls. Apart from the skimpy outfits, if Miley would have been a guy and done the same things she does now (except grinding on Robin Thicke) I actually don't believe she would get the same reactions. But it's tricky...

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TonyVanDam said:

RodeoSchro said:

Tony, I have a serious question for you. Let's assume for a second that all these photos - http://vigilantcitizen.co...onth-0913/ - do indeed represent various artists throwing up Illuminati/occult symbolism at the impressionable youth of America.

What is the goal?

Do some believe that the symbols have a mystical power, and can influence people to do stuff kind of ala magic?

Are some saying that it's to pique interest in Satanism, and heopfully to get people to convert to it?

Is it simply to let other Illuminati know, "Hey, I'm one of you!"?

If so many of these photos are taken at photo shoots, then are you saying that not only are the artists in on this, but so are the photographers, costume designers and other people who plan these shoots?

Even if what you say is true about the occult symbolism, for the life of me I can't see how it would have any kind of effect on anything at all. Help me out here.

1. World domination

2. As sick AND batshit crazy as this is going to sound, yes, there are some people (including occult scientists, past and present) that know the meaning of all occult symbols and they would attemplt to harvest the power for their own selfish purposes. Remember, Adolf Hitler once took an innocent occult symbol called a swastika and turned it into something that was pure evil because he wanted power....at all cost.

3. Given that Satan is a myth and a fictional character that is a rip-off of other anicent deities (especially Set), there is no need for further comment.

4. Occult symbols are definitely used for members of the elite ruling class to communicate with one another. The pawns (such as Miley Cyrus, Jay-Z, Lady Gaga, and other celebrites) are throwning up these symbols as to letting the elitists know that they are loyal pawns and they will do exactly what they are suppose to do to have a successful career in the entertainment industry.

5. If you knew who AND what has been running the entertainment indusrty for decades, then you already know the answer to that question.

1. You're going to have to define "World domination" because I've already been around the block with you on whether or not the Illuminati/Bilderbergers,CFRs control the world or not. My understanding is that you believe they do. If so, then what is left for them to control?

2. I have a hard time believing symbols have power. All the symbols are already out there, right? So why aren't they all exercising this mystical power over us right now? What's to stop say, you me and VenusBlingBling, from using these symbols and controlling the world ourselves? And are these symbols unbeatable? Apparently so, since they are not in control of the world right now (as far as I can see). So, what is it that we're using that beats them?

3. My understanding is that occult refers to the supernatural. If so, then you can call Satan whatever you want, but the concept is still there.

4. Do you have to throw symbols to be successful in the music industry, or just the rap/trash side of it? I can think of many, many rockers that to my knowledge are not symbol-throwers.

5. Clearly I don't "know" who is running the entertainment industry, and I'm stumped as to why those who DO "know" keep that a secret. What are y'all afraid of?