Graycap23 said:

robertlove said:

maybe there were other options to defend himself, it's scary people have guns with them and decide who is going to die. How far can you go? if somebody threatens you to smack your face you kill him? Is that justified?

We don't know excately what happened but we do know somebody got killed.

He did not threaten 2 smack him.............he threaten 2 kill him

So this is not even a case of self defense. Dude murdered him in cold blood over a verbal threat.

JustErin said:

Graycap23 said:

He did not threaten 2 smack him.............he threaten 2 kill him

So this is not even a case of self defense. Dude murdered him in cold blood over a verbal threat.

A knife is a verbal threat?

JustErin said:

Beautifulstarr123 said:

True, because the US is more lenient, when it comes to gun laws, especially in the south. Go to the sporting goods section of Walmart, and you would see people buying guns, 9mm and shotgun ammos all day long.

Guns at Walmart!

Yeah

....and I am not convinced that all of those people are going deer hunting

Graycap23 said:

JustErin said:

So this is not even a case of self defense. Dude murdered him in cold blood over a verbal threat.

A knife is a verbal threat?

He was in his car. Why not just drive away?

CarrieMpls said:

Graycap23 said:

A knife is a verbal threat?

He was in his car. Why not just drive away?

Excately my point, maybe there were other options.

But apperently a lot of people here think it's right to take a gun and kill somebody without even knowing what excetly happened. What a great world we live in.

Graycap23 said:

JustErin said:

So this is not even a case of self defense. Dude murdered him in cold blood over a verbal threat.

A knife is a verbal threat?

From the article posted the Domino's employee was not attacked, it wasn't self defense.

The way it is explained is: guy approached him showing a knife demanded money or he would kill him (standard robbery line) then Domino's dude immediately pulled out a gun and killed him.

It is utterly amazing to me that this reaction is deemed totally acceptable by some.

CarrieMpls said:

Graycap23 said:

A knife is a verbal threat?

He was in his car. Why not just drive away?

I'm sure there are some details missing from the story.

At the end of the day, if u threaten 2 kill someone, u have placed yourself in a situation where u could be killed.

If u can't understand that................I don't know what 2 say.

JustErin said:

Cinny said:

I'm pretty sure in Canada, the Domino's driver who shot the person would do time for using excessive defensive force or some shit.

Domino's driver would not have been packing a gun.

Also true.

JustErin said:

Graycap23 said:

A knife is a verbal threat?

From the article posted the Domino's employee was not attacked, it wasn't self defense.

The way it is explained is: guy approached him showing a knife demanded money or he would kill him (standard robbery line) then Domino's dude immediately pulled out a gun and killed him.

It is utterly amazing to me that this reaction is deemed totally acceptable by some.

In GA, that is classic self defense.

I'd like for some of these folks to explain what the driver should have done - let the scumbag stab him first?

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uPtoWnNY said:

I'd like for some of these folks to explain what the driver should have done - let the scumbag stab him first?

perhaps... and i know this is gonna seem super crazy... but try and stay with me here... perhaps he could have given the robber the money

MoBetterBliss said:

MoBetterBliss said:

Graycap23 said:

MoBetterBliss said:

perhaps... and i know this is gonna seem super crazy... but try and stay with me here... perhaps he could have given the robber the money

Hell no.

So a man's life isn't worth one night of pizza delivery tips.

Wow.

CarrieMpls said:

Graycap23 said:

MoBetterBliss said: Hell no.

So a man's life isn't worth one night of pizza delivery tips.

Wow.

Dude gives up the loot....and gets killed anyway.

Sorry.......I don't come from that world.

U make a threat, u pay the price.

Graycap23 said:

CarrieMpls said:

So a man's life isn't worth one night of pizza delivery tips.

Wow.

Dude gives up the loot....and gets killed anyway.

Sorry.......I don't come from that world.

U make a threat, u pay the price.

You must know martial arts. Do you?

MoBetterBliss said:

uPtoWnNY said:

I'd like for some of these folks to explain what the driver should have done - let the scumbag stab him first?

perhaps... and i know this is gonna seem super crazy... but try and stay with me here... perhaps he could have given the robber the money

.....Or sped off like a speed demon. The driver was already in the car, according to the article.

When I got robbed, I gave the robber all that he demanded: money and jewelry, but that's what I get for flashing my jewelry after midnight, flagging a cab, instead of calling one. Later on, my family member gave me mace.

What if the robber's family sue Domino's. Just saying.

I would have run the thug over with the car - problem solved.

Graycap23 said:

CarrieMpls said:

So a man's life isn't worth one night of pizza delivery tips.

Wow.

Dude gives up the loot....and gets killed anyway.

Sorry.......I don't come from that world.

U make a threat, u pay the price.

Why would he get killed anyway? And if he hasn't even made a move towards hurting him, why think he would? So for threatening someone the just punishment is the death penalty. Wow.

I don't believe in the death penalty period (and neither does my state). I get that when someone attacks you you have a right to defned yourself, but from the story all the guy did was threaten him for his money. Most theives aren't out to hurt anyone, or at the least don't intend on killing anyone. They're simply desperate or stupid or both. None of those means they deserve to die.

Even if this WAS a case of self defense, I simply don't understand the mentality that applauds this kind of thing. It's a tragedy. It's a tragedy on all sides. It's awful that this man is in a mind state that he has to steal in the first place, from a guy who makes an average living at best, and it's awful that he's died because of it. I don't care what he was trying to do, when someone dies it sucks. It's wrong. He's a person who's made mistakes, sure, but he's a person with a mother and father and family and probably friends. Maybe kids who depend on him.

If it's self defense I get that it's justified, but it's still not a moment to celebrate.

To me, a threat on my life with a weapon is enough reason to take some fool out. I'd rather be safe than sorry, especially when you have no idea what the other person is capable of. If Mr. Park hesitated, he might have wound up like that poor pizza driver in Newark. Can't play Monday morning quarterback in situations like this.

I'm a native New Yorker, and I wouldn't have made it all these years thinking like some of you folks - no offense.

Beautifulstarr123 said:

What if the robber's family sue Domino's. Just saying.

Ugh.

uPtoWnNY said:

To me, a threat on my life with a weapon is enough reason to take some fool out. I'd rather be safe than sorry, especially when you have no idea what the other person is capable of. If Mr. Park hesitated, he might have wound up like that poor pizza driver in Newark. Can't play Monday morning quarterback in situations like this.

I'm a native New Yorker, and I wouldn't have made it all these years thinking like some of you folks - no offense.

U simply can't thik this way and live 4 a very long time living in an Urban environment.

Especially a BLACK man.

Beautifulstarr123 said:

Graycap23 said:

Dude gives up the loot....and gets killed anyway.

Sorry.......I don't come from that world.

U make a threat, u pay the price.

You must know martial arts. Do you?

It is not about what u know. A friend of mine a few years ago was shot and killed even though he was professional boxer. U have a make a quick judgement about the situation u find yourself in, and act accordingly. U don't have all day 2 make a life or death decision.

Graycap23 said:

Beautifulstarr123 said:

You must know martial arts. Do you?

It is not about what u know. A friend of mine a few years ago was shot and killed even though he was professional boxer. U have a make a quick judgement about the situation u find yourself in, and act accordingly. U don't have all day 2 make a life or death decision.

Well, you've stated that if a robber makes a threat, they pay the price, so I figured that meant you would subdue the robber.

About making a quick judgment, I think the best judgement of them all is don't bring temptation to yourself, especially when you know it's hard times out there, a mistake I've made when I got robbed, and the mistake I believe that the driver made. This would alleviate all of this on a grand scale.

Beautifulstarr123 said:

Graycap23 said:

It is not about what u know. A friend of mine a few years ago was shot and killed even though he was professional boxer. U have a make a quick judgement about the situation u find yourself in, and act accordingly. U don't have all day 2 make a life or death decision.

Well, you've stated that if a robber makes a threat, they pay the price, so I figured that meant you would subdue the robber.

About making a quick judgment, I think the best judgement of them all is don't bring temptation to yourself, especially when you know it's hard times out there, a mistake I've made when I got robbed, and the mistake I believe that the driver made. This would alleviate all of this on a grand scale.

I don't want 2 find myself in that situation.

If I do, most likely the robber is done but these situations take on a life on their own.

U just never know until u are in the situation. It is a fact of life in Urban AmeriKa.

Graycap23 said:

Beautifulstarr123 said:

Well, you've stated that if a robber makes a threat, they pay the price, so I figured that meant you would subdue the robber.

About making a quick judgment, I think the best judgement of them all is don't bring temptation to yourself, especially when you know it's hard times out there, a mistake I've made when I got robbed, and the mistake I believe that the driver made. This would alleviate all of this on a grand scale.

I don't want 2 find myself in that situation.

If I do, most likely the robber is done but these situations take on a life on their own.

U just never know until u are in the situation. It is a fact of life in Urban AmeriKa.

Yep. Ask the citizens of Detroit, Chicago, Charlotte, Atlanta, Compton, Watts, Boston and DC. You just never know what is going to happen. It's easy to say "don't shoot" but until you're in that predicament, you just never know. And that's the scary thing. We have to protect ourselves. It may seem harsh but eh. This world is harsh in general. You're not promised tomorrow.