As the saying goes........ sex sells.

I wonder how many parents have thrown out Miley's albums!

XxAxX said:

Byron said:

Nowhere in the OP does it complain or compare the quality of the performances...it only brings up women being "practically naked" while the men remained fully clothed.

In fact, it says this:

"VMAs why was the theme this year 'practically naked'???

how come the women were acting like strippers at this thing???? the men are wearing clothes so why are the women all naked and shit???"

Personally, I think it's laughable that members of a Prince site are complaining about sexuality and "practically" nudity during an MTV performance lol...Sex and nudity have been part of music performances since before most of the members on here were born.

i don't think it's at all laughable. i think it's a reflection of how far women have yet to come to be taken seriously as artists. remember, as lonvg as there has been MTV and the like, women like madonna, britney spears, lady gaga and miley have felt they need to be mostly nude onstage while performing. this is what they do up there. and far more than their male counterparts.


why do you suppose that is? are they that insecure they feel folks won't listen unless they're nekkid????

i would love to see an awards ceremony where the TALENT of the performers is on show, rather than their naughty bits.

I think it's laughable because the guy who this site is dedicated to and who we are (or were) all fans of insisted that sex and "practically nude" be a major part of his act. He's the guy who dressed up his minimally-talented protoges' like this:

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I think at this point we as Prince fans shouldn't be shocked or baffled by anything Miley or Gaga did. We've seen it a million times by now. If anything, we should be yawning, not fanning ourselves in surprised outrage.

Why did more women go "practically naked" than their male counterparts? Because sex sells, this is a patriarchal society, and men are visual creatures far more than women are. The men found other ways to sell their sex, ways that would appeal to women more. Rock's history is jammed full of musical acts infusing sex, practically-nudity and real nudity into musical performances. I'm seriously shocked that anyone here gives a rat's ass whether or not Miley stinkin' Cyrus rubbed her crotch for 1 1/2 seconds with a foam finger lol...

Do these women think nobody will listen to them unless they're acting and dressing like strippers who turn tricks on the side? lol...I doubt either Gaga or Cyrus worry about anyone listening to them at this point in their careers, regardless of what they wear. This is more about wanting to get everyone talking after the awards are over than it is wanting to get people to listen to them. Cyrus may just be a typical child star who becomes a young woman and wants to shed her child persona. Then again, if you believe the shtuff my sister has told me about her (she loves the gossip sites lol), Miley is pretty much a freak in bed (and other places wink wink nudge nudge) so maybe this is just a reflection of who she really is...she just doesn't have the talent to incorporate it into her act in a believable and artistic manner.

Gaga is Gaga lol...she does shit like this before breakfast. Plus, with all the news about her having gained weight over the last however-many months, maybe this was also a way of showing that she's got her body back. Hell, I dunno lol...

^ well, at least you put it out there. i think it's totally sad that women have to use sex to advertise their creative efforts. but at any rate, it 'worked' for miley, the entire world is talking about her, and not about lady gaga's showy return, (also no doubt meant to be a shocker).

callimnate said:

I feel sorry for the younger generations nowadays. Music Awards 25 years ago were SO exciting and full of class, talent, but most importantly, entertainment. Now, they're nothing but noise, smut, and standing ovations for mediocre performances. Gaga's performance was ok, but that song is atrocious. Yet they made it out like it was biggest thing on earth. Add Mileys slut parade, and Perry's "grand finale". Well, what you get end up with is....... CRAP. Someone get me the Hot Tub Time Machine!!!

If you went back to the good ol' days when the music was amazing and the musicians were real, you might find that things really haven't changed all that much...

dandan said:

If you went back to the good ol' days when the music was amazing and the musicians were real, you might find that things really haven't changed all that much...

DysregulatedToxicity said:

dandan said:

If you went back to the good ol' days when the music was amazing and the musicians were real, you might find that things really haven't changed all that much...

Exactly.

at least Prince did it with some taste/artistic merit

Miley's performance was ridiculous at best and absolutely despisable at worst

Can everyone else see the gif of Miley and Robin next to the Prince gif? Just wondering if it worked...

dandan said:

Can everyone else see the gif of Miley and Robin next to the Prince gif? Just wondering if it worked...

Not the same thing by the way.

Stymie said:

Not the same thing by the way.

Okay cool How is it not the same thing? Prince's highly sexualized performances, image and music where a way of getting people's attention through shock value. He's confirmed this many times through the years, such as his first interview with Tavis Smiley and in this classic interview for Rolling Stone http://princetext.tripod....one85.html. Im pretty damn sure that Miley's provocative performance was similarly a cry for attention and an attempt to shock.

dandan said:

callimnate said:

I feel sorry for the younger generations nowadays. Music Awards 25 years ago were SO exciting and full of class, talent, but most importantly, entertainment. Now, they're nothing but noise, smut, and standing ovations for mediocre performances. Gaga's performance was ok, but that song is atrocious. Yet they made it out like it was biggest thing on earth. Add Mileys slut parade, and Perry's "grand finale". Well, what you get end up with is....... CRAP. Someone get me the Hot Tub Time Machine!!!

If you went back to the good ol' days when the music was amazing and the musicians were real, you might find that things really haven't changed all that much...

Sign O The Times was a theatrical release with a PG-13 rating. It wasn't on television.

Miley should never work with that director again.

The woman already showed that she's a superficial and uncreative director with the Blurred Line video.

Genesia said:

dandan said:

If you went back to the good ol' days when the music was amazing and the musicians were real, you might find that things really haven't changed all that much...

Sign O The Times was a theatrical release with a PG-13 rating. It wasn't on television.

I'm pretty sure it was. When he cancelled the UK shows a few songs from the concert film were shown on the news (footage that would become the concert film at least). I don't know how they could show more than one song from the movie without showing the bikini clad women. If i'm completely wtong I apologize

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XxAxX said:

^ well, at least you put it out there. i think it's totally sad that women have to use sex to advertise their creative efforts. but at any rate, it 'worked' for miley, the entire world is talking about her, and not about lady gaga's showy return, (also no doubt meant to be a shocker).

But as a train wreck not as a rock/Pop star. It could have worked if she could have acted the sex kitten role better(see Madonna), but she couldn't pull it off that's what so sad about it.

kewlschool said:

XxAxX said:

^ well, at least you put it out there. i think it's totally sad that women have to use sex to advertise their creative efforts. but at any rate, it 'worked' for miley, the entire world is talking about her, and not about lady gaga's showy return, (also no doubt meant to be a shocker).

But as a train wreck not as a rock/Pop star. It could have worked if she could have acted the sex kitten role better(see Madonna), but she couldn't pull it off that's what so sad about it.

She didn't act like a sex kitten. And that is what bothers a lot of people.

kewlschool said:

XxAxX said:

^ well, at least you put it out there. i think it's totally sad that women have to use sex to advertise their creative efforts. but at any rate, it 'worked' for miley, the entire world is talking about her, and not about lady gaga's showy return, (also no doubt meant to be a shocker).

But as a train wreck not as a rock/Pop star. It could have worked if she could have acted the sex kitten role better(see Madonna), but she couldn't pull it off that's what so sad about it.

I can't see why anyone would have an issue with exposed skin or even dancing so called "provocatively".

Miley's performance was neither shocking or even sexually explicit. It was simply a terrible performance that was not entertaining in any way. It was a totally spastic, desperate attempt to show a subculture that she desperately wants to be part of but clearly has no idea what the fuck she is doing. Even she looked confused.

I saw this coming, as soon as I saw her Terry Richardson photos of her in her "express yourself" pose I knew it was all heading this way...I just didn't think she would look quite this pathetic.

callimnate said:

I feel sorry for the younger generations nowadays. Music Awards 25 years ago were SO exciting and full of class, talent, but most importantly, entertainment. Now, they're nothing but noise, smut, and standing ovations for mediocre performances. Gaga's performance was ok, but that song is atrocious. Yet they made it out like it was biggest thing on earth. Add Mileys slut parade, and Perry's "grand finale". Well, what you get end up with is....... CRAP. Someone get me the Hot Tub Time Machine!!!

Damn right.

I'm not joining you guys in the blame Miley for everything.

I do think that she has to watch 'Less than zero' over and over again.

And somebody should set up a meeting between Miley and Drew Barrymore. Because I think Drew can tell Miley a lot, and she understands her. Better than anybody else.

Miley should be dragged to AA groups for cocaine addicts. And she should get educated about drugs. Just serious education about drugs. Naturally she would not listen to somebody who would just blame her and tell her she's doing it all wrong. But her loved ones, def., should accept the phase she is going through right now. But make sure she is well informed about what is happening.


I dig Miley. So, I really hope she will be able to make the difference between going out, clubbing and having fun or being stupid for getting addicted to drugs and fake companions.

It's a very thin line. And I hope she has somebody to walk that line with her. No pun intended.

PurpleJedi said:

I'd just like to say this...

...this was the first VMA where I felt uncomfortable.

Not necessarily because of Miley's antics...but rather that it was MILEY.

My daughter watched her TV show. Same with Selena Gomez.

They are children. Children on par with my children.

When those little girls, uhm, "stir feelings" in me with their antic...it's unsettling.

Does it feel hypocrite to watch porn? Knowing those girls are somebody's daughter too?


Or are you just concerned about your own girls?

dJJ said:

PurpleJedi said:

I'd just like to say this...

...this was the first VMA where I felt uncomfortable.

Not necessarily because of Miley's antics...but rather that it was MILEY.

My daughter watched her TV show. Same with Selena Gomez.

They are children. Children on par with my children.

When those little girls, uhm, "stir feelings" in me with their antic...it's unsettling.

Does it feel hypocrite to watch porn? Knowing those girls are somebody's daughter too?


Or are you just concerned about your own girls?

It's about the fact that I would sit and watch "Hannah Montana" or "Wizards of Waverly Place" with my little princess...and I associate those characters as my daughter's "peers".

Selena Gomez may be 21 but in my mind she's still Alex from WoWP...a "daughter" figure to ME.

Think of it this way...8 years from now my daughter will be 21. All of the girls that she went to school with I will always see as her peers. So...when I'm a 50 year-old pervy old dude at the bar and I see a 21 year old walk in...if she happens to be a former friend or classmate of hers, I would vomit in my brain after "checking her out."

PurpleJedi said:

dJJ said:

Does it feel hypocrite to watch porn? Knowing those girls are somebody's daughter too?


Or are you just concerned about your own girls?

It's about the fact that I would sit and watch "Hannah Montana" or "Wizards of Waverly Place" with my little princess...and I associate those characters as my daughter's "peers".

Selena Gomez may be 21 but in my mind she's still Alex from WoWP...a "daughter" figure to ME.

Think of it this way...8 years from now my daughter will be 21. All of the girls that she went to school with I will always see as her peers. So...when I'm a 50 year-old pervy old dude at the bar and I see a 21 year old walk in...if she happens to be a former friend or classmate of hers, I would vomit in my brain after "checking her out."

Miley and Selena are are not children anymore..and really can't be blamed for anyone's weird vision of them still as children because they were well known as kids.

I simply can not stand when parents consider actors/singers as role models for their children...not saying this is what you said, but it's really crappy parenting in my opinion.

If kids like watching Hannah Montana or that other show you mentioned, those are actors playing a role and if they are positive characters in the show, awesome...let them watch if that's the type of image you wish for your child to see. I don't understand when people confuse the actor with the role.

No actor, singer, athlete, etc is obligated to be what you want them to be.

Agree with Erin & Clubon.


I don't think Miley is the problem.

It's more the double standard and hypocraty that creates the storm.

JustErin said:

PurpleJedi said:

It's about the fact that I would sit and watch "Hannah Montana" or "Wizards of Waverly Place" with my little princess...and I associate those characters as my daughter's "peers".

Selena Gomez may be 21 but in my mind she's still Alex from WoWP...a "daughter" figure to ME.

Think of it this way...8 years from now my daughter will be 21. All of the girls that she went to school with I will always see as her peers. So...when I'm a 50 year-old pervy old dude at the bar and I see a 21 year old walk in...if she happens to be a former friend or classmate of hers, I would vomit in my brain after "checking her out."

Miley and Selena are are not children anymore..and really can't be blamed for anyone's weird vision of them still as children because they were well known as kids.

I simply can not stand when parents consider actors/singers as role models for their children...not saying this is what you said, but it's really crappy parenting in my opinion.

If kids like watching Hannah Montana or that other show you mentioned, those are actors playing a role and if they are positive characters in the show, awesome...let them watch if that's the type of image you wish for your child to see. I don't understand when people confuse the actor with the role.

No actor, singer, athlete, etc is obligated to be what you want them to be.

I agree...and I'm all for Miley shaking what her momma didn't give her...but I still feel "weird" simply because of how I associate her with Hannah Montana. Not blaming anyone, simply stating a fact. I think I explained it well enough with my first post.

And I agree that Hollywood is NOT a good place to choose any type of role model. My daughter has been told since whenever to look up to her godmother...the successful lawyer with the corner office and the penthouse apartment overlooking Manhattan who has travelled the world and doesn't depend on a man, but rather is an equal partner to her husband.

Miley isn't a "problem" but rather simply a product of her environment. When I saw her "performance" I shook my head in dismay because at the root of the event - it was a shitty performance - but not because she was twerking. Hell, she ain't even got ass enough to twerk.

Besides...at the end of the day, she and her management company are laughing all the way to the bank.

dJJ said:

Agree with Erin & Clubon.


I don't think Miley is the problem.

It's more the double standard and hypocraty that creates the storm.

You are partially right in that Miley isn't the problem. However, keep in mind that Disney did NOT just market Hannah Montana - they marketed the beejezus out of Miley Cyrus as well. In fact, every single Hannah Montana concert performance was actually billed as "Miley Cyrus as Hannah Montana". So the point can be made that it was Disney who created Miley Cyrus's wholesome reputation. The question is, did Disney sell parents a bill of goods, or did Miley go off the rails later in the process?

It is absolutely impossible to keep young children from having heroes, whether they be actors, baseball players, astronauts or musicians. But the difference comes when the heroes are minors. Adults can tell their own story and are responsible for their own actions. Minors are not afforded those things, which is as it should be. About the only minor I can think of that was able to show her true/repulsive self was Taylor Momsen.

The upshot of this is that parents are going to be more cautious when Disney markets its next star, because they will be thinking, "How do I know this person isn't going to be the next Miley Cyrus?"

The saddest part about Miley is that she is certainly talented enough to not need to embarass herself as she did. She can sing, and sing very well. Rhianna wouldn't last 2 minutes in a vocal duel with Miley.

BTW - has TVD weighed in on how Miley's hair was done up to make it look like she had devil horns?

RodeoSchro said:

dJJ said:

Agree with Erin & Clubon.


I don't think Miley is the problem.

It's more the double standard and hypocraty that creates the storm.

You are partially right in that Miley isn't the problem. However, keep in mind that Disney did NOT just market Hannah Montana - they marketed the beejezus out of Miley Cyrus as well. In fact, every single Hannah Montana concert performance was actually billed as "Miley Cyrus as Hannah Montana". So the point can be made that it was Disney who created Miley Cyrus's wholesome reputation. The question is, did Disney sell parents a bill of goods, or did Miley go off the rails later in the process?

It is absolutely impossible to keep young children from having heroes, whether they be actors, baseball players, astronauts or musicians. But the difference comes when the heroes are minors. Adults can tell their own story and are responsible for their own actions. Minors are not afforded those things, which is as it should be. About the only minor I can think of that was able to show her true/repulsive self was Taylor Momsen.

The upshot of this is that parents are going to be more cautious when Disney markets its next star, because they will be thinking, "How do I know this person isn't going to be the next Miley Cyrus?"

The saddest part about Miley is that she is certainly talented enough to not need to embarass herself as she did. She can sing, and sing very well. Rhianna wouldn't last 2 minutes in a vocal duel with Miley.

I don't think Miley embarassed herself at all. I think that the critics are embarassing themselves.

When I was 12, I was a huge fan of Sade and....... Apolonia 6. I had never heard of Prince back then.

I playbacked -I'm a sex-shooter-, without having a clue what I was playbacking.

I just liked the sensuality of both women.

It was 2 years later that I discovered Prince.

I turned out fine. Completely at ease with my own sexuality.

My mother cruelly laughed at me, for combing my hair backwards with loads of gel, because I wanted to look like Sade.

And she just ignored the Apalonia thing. Allowing me to be myself.

If she would have gone frantic about it, she would have given me the idea that female sexuality is a bad thing.

In stead, I got bored with Apalonia pretty fast, till this day love Sade and am not ashamed of my female sexuality. Nor do I relate my own sexuality to pleasing a man.

I just had a lot of fun with two other girls, dressing up and acting silly.

No drama.

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Miley needs to enroll in Gaga's yoga classes.

By the way, Gaga's new video has about 31 million views.

Miley's has over 160 million.

Prince's FIXURLIFEUP has about 300,000.

Blame Disney for serving a unrealistic, silly perception of how life is to children.

Don't blame Miley for showing reality.


If you raise your children with fantasy TV and silly idealistic ideals that are far away from reality,

then you are guilty for not being ablt to handle the pain when they find out that reality is very different from what they were told by parents and Disney.

Personally, I would not leave raising my kids up, to Disney channel.

I prefer my own dedication and attention. Much more informative.

And girl will not be so horrible dissapointed when she finds out that Disney's prince does not exist.

Not at all.

Think about it. Girls dream about the princes that Disney served them. Whilst boys of their age secretly watch all the porn they can see on the internet.

Try to match that!


Boys acting as gentle princes, just to get into her trousers, so he can do to her what he saw on the internet. And when he's done, he'll dump her.

And she does not understand that all that Prince behavior and smooth talk, was just to get in her pants.

She will think it's something she did wrong. Because, she can't imagine that he would actually be lying to her, just to get sex.

Get my point?


No porn for boys, no Disney crap for girls. Let them play outside and experience reality.