We all lie and anyone who says they don't is lying.

But can any lie be justified.

If someone asks you if they look good in an outfit and you lie (to save their feelings) is that OK.

What if they then go out in that outfit and people laugh at them?

Can a politician lie 'For the good of the country'.

Surely the reason he is lying is that he knows that 'the country' wouldn't like the truth.

Often we lie to save our own skins but that could mean the blame is put on someone else.

Can anyone come up with a justifiable lie?

all lies are 'justifiable', just ask the person who told it.

you wanna fuck people up, tell the truth (which seems less 'justifiable)

when that person asks "...how do i look?" let them know, then try to explain

your need to be truthfull (good luck with that shit)

a lie is justifiable when it is expected.

you love who you're with, but you don't rally like them any more.

you say "i love you babe." but it's only a half truth. it equals a lie,

but you are expected to leave the "i don't like you" out

lest you fancy a good arguement.

it's not 'ok' to lie at any time, however, society dictates that you do or

forever seem misguided because you just won't lie.

try to rip that

KingBAD said:

all lies are 'justifiable', just ask the person who told it.

you wanna fuck people up, tell the truth (which seems less 'justifiable)

when that person asks "...how do i look?" let them know, then try to explain

your need to be truthfull (good luck with that shit)

a lie is justifiable when it is expected.

you love who you're with, but you don't rally like them any more.

you say "i love you babe." but it's only a half truth. it equals a lie,

but you are expected to leave the "i don't like you" out

lest you fancy a good arguement.

it's not 'ok' to lie at any time, however, society dictates that you do or

forever seem misguided because you just won't lie.

try to rip that

Yes, we can all justify our own lies to ourselves but can we convince others that a lie is justified.

If you never lie your partner will know this and will accept your honesty or leave. The fact that we are not used to the truth causes a shock which causes the argument. If you were being honest from the start they would know things were not quite right before you said 'I don't like you'.

I agree with what you say about society but who gives a shit what society thinks.

Have I ripped that. (I don't know what it means)

MrBartolozzi said:

KingBAD said:

all lies are 'justifiable', just ask the person who told it.

you wanna fuck people up, tell the truth (which seems less 'justifiable)

when that person asks "...how do i look?" let them know, then try to explain

your need to be truthfull (good luck with that shit)

a lie is justifiable when it is expected.

you love who you're with, but you don't rally like them any more.

you say "i love you babe." but it's only a half truth. it equals a lie,

but you are expected to leave the "i don't like you" out

lest you fancy a good arguement.

it's not 'ok' to lie at any time, however, society dictates that you do or

forever seem misguided because you just won't lie.

try to rip that

Yes, we can all justify our own lies to ourselves but can we convince others that a lie is justified.

If you never lie your partner will know this and will accept your honesty or leave. The fact that we are not used to the truth causes a shock which causes the argument. If you were being honest from the start they would know things were not quite right before you said 'I don't like you'.

I agree with what you say about society but who gives a shit what society thinks.

Have I ripped that. (I don't know what it means)

yeah you did,

now let me stitch that back up for ya.

remember, honesty is unacceptable!!!

with that bein said;

a. If you were being honest from the start they would know things were not quite right before you said 'I don't like you'.

1. most likely, if one were "honest from the start", there would be no relationship to speak of.

(instead of sayin "i would just love to fuck the shit out of you" you know, the original thought. you say

" you are too beautiful for words") you don't spend the beginnin lettin someone know whut you don't like about them.

b."who gives a shit what society thinks"

2.believe it or not, even i give a shit about whut society thinks.

the most hardened anarchist care whut society thinks. only the multibillionaires don't care whut society thinks.

i don't really respect authority or the iedea of authority 'over me', thus i find it hard to find anyone

to lie to. i say whut i say and let it be.

oooooooooooooops, i lied. my daughters have authority over me and they are the target of the

lions share of my 'soft soapin'.

i'm not ingaged in crimminal activity so i don't even lie to cops.

there's a freedom to truth that one really can appieciate...

btw.

the lies can and do get justified by the like minded.

if you're a part of a group that thinks lyin about certain things is appropriate

you'd be amazed at whut lies can be justified in a group settin.

KingBAD said:

MrBartolozzi said:

Yes, we can all justify our own lies to ourselves but can we convince others that a lie is justified.

If you never lie your partner will know this and will accept your honesty or leave. The fact that we are not used to the truth causes a shock which causes the argument. If you were being honest from the start they would know things were not quite right before you said 'I don't like you'.

I agree with what you say about society but who gives a shit what society thinks.

Have I ripped that. (I don't know what it means)

yeah you did,

now let me stitch that back up for ya.

remember, honesty is unacceptable!!!

with that bein said;

a. If you were being honest from the start they would know things were not quite right before you said 'I don't like you'.

1. most likely, if one were "honest from the start", there would be no relationship to speak of.

(instead of sayin "i would just love to fuck the shit out of you" you know, the original thought. you say

" you are too beautiful for words") you don't spend the beginnin lettin someone know whut you don't like about them.

b."who gives a shit what society thinks"

2.believe it or not, even i give a shit about whut society thinks.

the most hardened anarchist care whut society thinks. only the multibillionaires don't care whut society thinks.

i don't really respect authority or the iedea of authority 'over me', thus i find it hard to find anyone

to lie to. i say whut i say and let it be.

oooooooooooooops, i lied. my daughters have authority over me and they are the target of the

lions share of my 'soft soapin'.

i'm not ingaged in crimminal activity so i don't even lie to cops.

there's a freedom to truth that one really can appieciate...

btw.

the lies can and do get justified by the like minded.

if you're a part of a group that thinks lyin about certain things is appropriate

you'd be amazed at whut lies can be justified in a group settin.

As I read this, I was going rip it to shreds then I read this line and realised sometimes you have to lie to kids. 'Everythings going to be OK.' When the truth is the situation you are in at the times looks like it not going to be OK.

Yes, lies can be justified.

Unless, anyone can show that lying to kids is not justified.

You're in Nazi Germany in the 40s...

Jews are being rounded up and put into concentration camps.

You decide to let a Jewish family of three hid in your basement.

You hear a knock at your door...."Any Jews here?" you're asked.

Is it ok to lie and say "Nope"?

Your sister is concerned about her boyfriend...he's been acting "weird" lately, at least according to her.

Her boyfriend confided in you a few days earlier--he's going to ask her to marry him tonight. He's a bit nervous, though...which 'splains his acting "weird".

She asks you if you know why her bf is acting weird.

Is it ok to lie and say "Sorry, have no idea"?

[Edited 8/9/13 23:36pm]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

see, society says it alright to justify a lie.

the one who hid the jews lied to save his ass

BUUUUT, if you told the cops that you didn't have

a suspect in your house because it's your kid and you

know they'll be trumpin up charges on him/her

it's the same thing.... justification; persecution.

your sister and her boyfriend

the lie will sustain whut 'you think' will make them happy, the surprise.

kinda like knowin that you're about to have someone 'looked at' in a mental ward

but you tell them you need them to come with you to pick up a friend...

justification; it's whut they need/want.

6 will say these are acceptable

6 will say they're not

"that's half a dozen of one

and six of the other"

Of course there are times when it's all right to lie. And there are times when lying is the morally right thing to do and telling the truth would not be okay. Being honest and telling the truth is a fantastic general model to follow, but it's certainly not iron-clad.

My mom told me to treat other people the way you want to be treated yourself.

And I like honesty. Eventhough it's very painful sometimes.

I really prefer to get all the information and be able to make an informed decidions myself, than to know that somebody else decided for me what info I had.

It's not easy to be frieds with me for that same reason. I'm scrupulous honest.

And very reliable (well, not when it comes to appointments), you know I'm not bulshitting.

And I only want to be friends with people who treat me with the same respect.

It's not that I think I need to agree with my friends.

If a friend hates my dress, but I like it, I will still wear it.

And hopefully vice versa. I love people who have a quirky taste and dress accordingly.

No matter if I or anybody else likes it.

There is already to much Zara, H&M and Ikea in the world.

I only lie when I need to save my ass

JoeTyler said:

I only lie when I need to save my ass

An how often do you need to save your ass?

And at what costs do you save your own ass?


Who get hurt, so your ass is saved??

dJJ said:

JoeTyler said:

I only lie when I need to save my ass

An how often do you need to save your ass?

monthly, I guess

And at what costs do you save your own ass?

it's free!


Who get hurt, so your ass is saved??

nobody

JoeTyler said:

dJJ said:

An how often do you need to save your ass?

monthly, I guess

And at what costs do you save your own ass?

it's free!


Who get hurt, so your ass is saved??

nobody

Nobody gets hurt, or you twist events in your head, so you excuse yourself and tell yourself nobody gets hurt?

Admitting to yourself to be wrong or to have done wrong to somebody is not easy.

But to me, pivotal as a compass, I need sincere reflection.


Do you reflect like that on yourself?

People seem to confuse a bad act with the right act.

That is if a lie saves lives of innocent people the good that is saving lives is so much greater than the bad of lie that I would say the lie is justified.

Killing is bad. But we have to kill to live. We kill animals or plants. It is part of the cycle.

A question I have pondered:

What if a huge asteroid was going to hit the Earth. Would it be justified to lie and tell us it was going to miss the planet?

I say it is best to keep that fact a secret. That if asked that they should lie to us all.

dJJ said:

JoeTyler said:

Nobody gets hurt, or you twist events in your head, so you excuse yourself and tell yourself nobody gets hurt?

Admitting to yourself to be wrong or to have done wrong to somebody is not easy.

But to me, pivotal as a compass, I need sincere reflection.


Do you reflect like that on yourself?

nah, it's not that complicated

I sometimes lie to avoid being fired

JoeTyler said:

dJJ said:

Nobody gets hurt, or you twist events in your head, so you excuse yourself and tell yourself nobody gets hurt?

Admitting to yourself to be wrong or to have done wrong to somebody is not easy.

But to me, pivotal as a compass, I need sincere reflection.


Do you reflect like that on yourself?

nah, it's not that complicated

I sometimes lie to avoid being fired

If you gotta lie to keep your job you might wanna find a new job lol ...

As for the act of lying itself, 99% of the time we do it for selfish reasons.

We wanted something we felt we couldn't have if we told the truth...or we were scared and let fear dictate our actions, even if just for a moment...or we coiuldn't deal with knowing we will hurt someone we care about if we told the truth...or maybe we just feel manipulation of another is fine and dandy as long as you don't get caught.

Whatever the reason, it's almost always us rationalizing to ourselves and just delaying the inevitable. But there are those times when a lie can and should be justified. My examples above were somewhat extreme but do (or did) happen...those moments in Life when a lie serves a positive purpose for all involved. Because lies aren't "bad" or "good" in an of themselves--they just "are". We come to define them as "bad" or "good" through our shared Life experiences and seeing the results and learning from them. Sometimes even when you already know the answers to the test you still have to take the test to truly learn the lesson.

And one thing's for certain: we all have lied.

Byron said:

As for the act of lying itself, 99% of the time we do it for selfish reasons.

We wanted something we felt we couldn't have if we told the truth...or we were scared and let fear dictate our actions, even if just for a moment...or we coiuldn't deal with knowing we will hurt someone we care about if we told the truth...or maybe we just feel manipulation of another is fine and dandy as long as you don't get caught.

Whatever the reason, it's almost always us rationalizing to ourselves and just delaying the inevitable. But there are those times when a lie can and should be justified. My examples above were somewhat extreme but do (or did) happen...those moments in Life when a lie serves a positive purpose for all involved. Because lies aren't "bad" or "good" in an of themselves--they just "are". We come to define them as "bad" or "good" through our shared Life experiences and seeing the results and learning from them. Sometimes even when you already know the answers to the test you still have to take the test to truly learn the lesson.

And one thing's for certain: we all have lied.

Wise words.

Byron said:

JoeTyler said:

nah, it's not that complicated

I sometimes lie to avoid being fired

If you gotta lie to keep your job you might wanna find a new job lol ...

I think you missed my "having sex with my boss" and "having sex with the mother of a co-worker" threads

JoeTyler said:

Byron said:

If you gotta lie to keep your job you might wanna find a new job lol ...

I think you missed my "having sex with my boss" and "having sex with the mother of a co-worker" threads

I must have lol...

her: growing up... people always said my sister was prettier than me... what do you think baby?

you: *insert lie here*

MoBetterBliss said:

her: growing up... people always said my sister was prettier than me... what do you think baby?

you: *insert lie here*

her: my last boyfriend told me that i'm not that great at giving blowjobs, so i never gave him one again... what do you think baby?

you: *insert lie here*

you: i think part of the reason my bother is a jerk, is overconfidence from having such a huge dick... oops, probably shouldn't have told you that *chuckle*... that won't make you look at him differently, will it hon?

her: *insert lie here*

If you're gonna lie, make sure you have a fantastic memory.

NO.

There is never a hgood justification for a lie.





(now the fun part is determining whether or not I just lied to you )