I want to begin by saying that I do not believe there is a Chemtrail conspiracy

BUT

I do have questions for those who believe Chemtrails are real!!!

1 - What is in the Chemtrail?

2 - Cars have visible vapor that comes from the tailpipe. Is it possible the trail is exhaust from the Jet engines?

3 - Do chemtrails appear in major cities only? Do they appear in the countryside? Are only certain cities "affected"?

4 - How can a small trail so far up in the atmostphere have large scale effects?

5 - Who do you believe is responsible for doing this and why?

If I think of more questions I will post them.

I have never really paid that much attention to those who make these claims however I have recently begun looking around when I see one of these trails and there are almost always other planes visibly emitting these trail in other parts of the sky. This morning on the way to work I saw a plane with the trail and saw 2 other planes with trails and 6 different remnants of trails from other planes

Some say chemtrails have various purposes, some say they don't exist.

No idea what the truth is but I found these interesting.

^I will comment on this thread right after I watch the 4 1/2 hours of video that Cloudbuster just posted.

No, really.

5 hours worth of video!!!??!

can I get bullet style answers?

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

5 hours worth of video!!!??!

can I get bullet style answers?

I wonder if we should be suspicious of someone who says they have "(n)o idea what the truth is" even after they watched all those videos?!?

RodeoSchro said:

^I will comment on this thread right after I watch the 4 1/2 hours of video that Cloudbuster just posted.

No, really.

I'm curious to see what people believe and say about this. Trying not to empower the crazy gene though

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

RodeoSchro said:

^I will comment on this thread right after I watch the 4 1/2 hours of video that Cloudbuster just posted.

No, really.

I'm curious to see what people believe and say about this. Trying not to empower the crazy gene though

I'd better warn you that the third vid which is about morgellons disease, nanotechnology and the self-replicating fibres is a total head fuck.

However, it's a well documented condition that people are suffering from. Joni Mitchell has it.

http://morgellonspgpr.wor...s-disease/

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

5 hours worth of video!!!??!

can I get bullet style answers?

No. Frankly I'm fed up with folk taking the piss out of people who want answers to things.

The info is there, you can draw your own conclusions.

Cloudbuster said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

5 hours worth of video!!!??!

can I get bullet style answers?

No. Frankly I'm fed up with folk taking the piss out of people who want answers to things.

The info is there, you can draw your own conclusions.

I honestly find it hard to believe that you could sit through almost 5 hours of YouTube videos on this and then say that you have no idea what the truth is.

I call shenanigans!

RodeoSchro said:

I honestly find it hard to believe that you could sit through almost 5 hours of YouTube videos on this and then say that you have no idea what the truth is.

I call shenanigans!

As I said, I don't know what the truth is.

Several theories have been put forward which is why it's better to draw your own conclusions.

If you're not interested in the subject then don't watch the videos. It's that simple.

I want a discussion!

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

I want a discussion!

Do your research first.

One thing that doesn't make sense is that the people who are spraying the chemtrails would be spraying this stuff on their own family and friends....unless they export the pilots to other cities....

Cloudbuster said:

RodeoSchro said:

I honestly find it hard to believe that you could sit through almost 5 hours of YouTube videos on this and then say that you have no idea what the truth is.

I call shenanigans!

As I said, I don't know what the truth is.

Several theories have been put forward which is why it's better to draw your own conclusions.

If you're not interested in the subject then don't watch the videos. It's that simple.

Absolutely.

But what I don't understand is why you (a person with very strong convictions, i.e. WTC building 7, the Pentagon, etc.) would watch almost 5 hours of video from which you could draw no definitive conclusions at all, and for some reason think it would be a good idea for us to watch the same videos.

If those videos could not direct your opinion one way or the other, why do you think they could direct anyone else's opinion?

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

I want a discussion!

You can't have one with someone that has no opinion.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

One thing that doesn't make sense is that the people who are spraying the chemtrails would be spraying this stuff on their own family and friends....unless they export the pilots to other cities....

Chemtrails are bollocks. There's your discussion!

RodeoSchro said:

Absolutely.

But what I don't understand is why you (a person with very strong convictions, i.e. WTC building 7, the Pentagon, etc.) would watch almost 5 hours of video from which you could draw no definitive conclusions at all, and for some reason think it would be a good idea for us to watch the same videos.

If those videos could not direct your opinion one way or the other, why do you think they could direct anyone else's opinion?

Well I don't see it like that. The information can be discussed without it being conclusive.

Or you could come to a conclusion that someone else wouldn't have. Such is the nature of debate.

Cloudbuster said:

RodeoSchro said:

Absolutely.

But what I don't understand is why you (a person with very strong convictions, i.e. WTC building 7, the Pentagon, etc.) would watch almost 5 hours of video from which you could draw no definitive conclusions at all, and for some reason think it would be a good idea for us to watch the same videos.

If those videos could not direct your opinion one way or the other, why do you think they could direct anyone else's opinion?

Well I don't see it like that. The information can be discussed without it being conclusive.

Or you could come to a conclusion that someone else wouldn't have. Such is the nature of debate.

Well so far there are only questions and no answers!

Cloudbuster said:

RodeoSchro said:

Absolutely.

But what I don't understand is why you (a person with very strong convictions, i.e. WTC building 7, the Pentagon, etc.) would watch almost 5 hours of video from which you could draw no definitive conclusions at all, and for some reason think it would be a good idea for us to watch the same videos.

If those videos could not direct your opinion one way or the other, why do you think they could direct anyone else's opinion?

Well I don't see it like that. The information can be discussed without it being conclusive.

Or you could come to a conclusion that someone else wouldn't have. Such is the nature of debate.

I don't think a pitch of "I watched all 5 hours of this and didn't come to any conclusions at all, but I think you should watch it anyway" is going to sell many people.

RodeoSchro said:

Cloudbuster said:

As I said, I don't know what the truth is.

Several theories have been put forward which is why it's better to draw your own conclusions.

If you're not interested in the subject then don't watch the videos. It's that simple.

Absolutely.

But what I don't understand is why you (a person with very strong convictions, i.e. WTC building 7, the Pentagon, etc.) would watch almost 5 hours of video from which you could draw no definitive conclusions at all, and for some reason think it would be a good idea for us to watch the same videos.

If those videos could not direct your opinion one way or the other, why do you think they could direct anyone else's opinion?

You'll be glad to know that the first video has sinister music playing in the background

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Cloudbuster said:

Well I don't see it like that. The information can be discussed without it being conclusive.

Or you could come to a conclusion that someone else wouldn't have. Such is the nature of debate.

Well so far there are only questions and no answers!

Chemtrails are bollocks. There's your answer!

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Well so far there are only questions and no answers!

If you care enough about a subject then you put the time in to learn about it.

That doesn't always mean you'll have a definite answer but at least you'll be as informed as you can be.

you know, 'scuse me for stepping in, but people in the P&R forum gave Cloud such a hard time, he might be feeling a bit reluctant to actually voice his opinions flat out. i know i would be.

i actually avoid that forum these days due to the lack of informed debate, due to the refusal of participants to actually watch the clips on offer, and participation by those who seem to be seeking attention, rather than information.

WATCH THE CLIPS. don't sit there asking what they say. don't demand that Cloudy defend his opinion, after you demand that he proffer one. watch. the. clip. find one on youtube about the same topic that is shorter. see what you think

i've watched a few movies on chemtrails and definitely cloud seeding chemtrails are present in our skies, as well as cloud dispersant chemicals. this is just the beginning. there is an entire school of meteorology which addresses chemicals deliberately infused into our skies. whether or not mind-body-altering chemicals are out there i do not know for sure, personally. i do not know how to find out conclusively, because the information is obviously not readily available. but the evidence suggests that there is some truth to this 'rumor'. watch some of the eyewitness tstimony and it will make you at least think.

my 2c

Personally, I would like simple answers by anyone believing in this stuff.

XxAxX said:

you know, 'scuse me for stepping in, but people in the P&R forum gave Cloud such a hard time, he might be feeling a bit reluctant to actually voice his opinions flat out. i know i would be.

i actually avoid that forum these days due to the lack of informed debate, due to the refusal of participants to actually watch the clips on offer, and participation by those who seem to be seeking attention, rather than information.

WATCH THE CLIPS. don't sit there asking what they say. don't demand that Cloudy defend his opinion, after you demand that he proffer one. watch. the. clip. find one on youtube about the same topic that is shorter. see what you think

i've watched a few movies on chemtrails and definitely cloud seeding chemtrails are present in our skies, as well as cloud dispersant chemicals. this is just the beginning. there is an entire school of meteorology which addresses chemicals deliberately infused into our skies. whether or not mind-body-altering chemicals are out there i do not know for sure, personally. i do not know how to find out conclusively, because the information is obviously not readily available. but the evidence suggests that there is some truth to this 'rumor'. watch some of the eyewitness tstimony and it will make you at least think.

my 2c

But they aren't clips, they're full-length feature films! I'm not about to invest 1 hour - much less almost 5 hours - on stuff that can neither persuade or dissuade a veteran debater like cloudbuster.

This is not a knock on cloudie; in fact, it's a compliment. Although I disagree with most of his positions that I know of, I do respect the fact that he has very definite opinions on all subjects upon which he posts.

So to hear him say, "I watched 5 hours on this and it didn't move me one way or the other" tells me that watching those videos would be a total waste of time. Cloudie is saying, "These videos are not well-enough put together to give you any kind of opinion at all".

RodeoSchro said:

I don't think a pitch of "I watched all 5 hours of this and didn't come to any conclusions at all, but I think you should watch it anyway" is going to sell many people.

My conclusion is that as of now it's inconclusive. But again, there's no harm in discussing information.

You've made it clear that you think the subject is bollocks so I don't even know why you're still posting here.

RodeoSchro said:

But they aren't clips, they're full-length feature films! I'm not about to invest 1 hour - much less almost 5 hours - on stuff that can neither persuade or dissuade a veteran debater like cloudbuster.

This is not a knock on cloudie; in fact, it's a compliment. Although I disagree with most of his positions that I know of, I do respect the fact that he has very definite opinions on all subjects upon which he posts.

So to hear him say, "I watched 5 hours on this and it didn't move me one way or the other" tells me that watching those videos would be a total waste of time. Cloudie is saying, "These videos are not well-enough put together to give you any kind of opinion at all".

I actually think they're well put together and informative. I just don't have a definite answer.

And maybe I never will but I don't see what's wrong with that. Each individual processes information in their own way.
You may get something from them that I don't.