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None of this shit is new. The timing of re-hashing this old shit is incredibly suspect! There is a trial agains AEG going on. I always said Katie should have left well enuff alone cause MJ would only get dragged through the mud.
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Is there any proof? Plus the pic looks like the cover of a tabloid. | |
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Why didn't they? Oh yeah, $$$. | |
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That the parents of the victims are easily labelled greedy is a key part of how a wealthy paedophile targets and grooms their target. It's very sad that all these victims get their reputations ripped to shreds for holding a pop singer's behaviour to account. | |
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Dsoul said: That the parents of the victims are easily labelled greedy is a key part of how a wealthy paedophile targets and grooms their target. It's very sad that all these victims get their reputations ripped to shreds for holding a pop singer's behaviour to account. Would you take money if someone molested your child? | |
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But you say that with such certainty. You really think there is absolutely nothing to any of these allegations? I'm not so sure, and I will reserve judgement. But as the old saying goes... where there is smoke.. | |
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I say it after having done plenty of research. If there had been any solid proof that Jackson was guilty he would have been arrested back in the 90s. Settling the civil suit with the Chandler family in '94 didn't guarantee that he wouldn't face criminal charges had any further evidence surfaced. Tom Sneddon kept the case open for more victims to come forward even after two grand juries had determined that there were no grounds for prosecution. As for the 'no smoke without fire' line that people always like to drag up, I say bullshit. People are falsely accused of stuff all the time. | |
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I'm pretty sure if the FBI had a big fucking file on this back in the 90s it's have landed on Sneddons desk in 2004 or MJ woulda been in jail in the 90s.
You can visit the Feds website and look at the MJ files. [Edited 6/30/13 17:19pm] | |
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it's about what can be proved. Someone's word against another. A child's against a grown man who is a millionaire and a legend. An FBI file cannot distinguish who is lying. Anyway. We may never know. Either a child molester went free, or an innocent man was put through hell because of greed. Pretty sad either way. Like something out of Shakespeare. | |
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V10LETBLUES said: it's about what can be proved. Someone's word against another. A child's against a grown man who is a millionaire and a legend. An FBI file cannot distinguish who is lying. Anyway. We may never know. Either a child molester went free, or an innocent man was put through hell because of greed. Pretty sad either way. Like something out of Shakespeare. | |
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What has always bothered me is people with no vested interest don't go into great detail and research and only go by what they see in the press. Non-fans can't be be bothered looking at court transcripts so it's easier for them to accept what they're spoon fed. I get that. Fans get a lot of shit, but at the end of the day, they look hardest at this stuff.
* Similarly, I'm tired of MJ fans saying Jordy said nothing happened after Michael's death, because that isn't so apart from internet rumour. Same with Evan Chandler killing himself. MJ fans would like to believe he did that out of guilt because of what he put MJ through. For all anybody knows, he might believe 1993. It could actually be he did that after seeing Michael virtually given a sainthood after he died and could take no more. Who knows?
* I'd like law enforcement to come out and definatively say what they had on MJ. A press conference or something. It might have to take that. It's high time there was a conclusion. Shit, we don't know what happened to Monroe to this day, so expect nothing. Same shit.
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I haven't been to visit my family in the UK in a while, but isn't the mirror right up there with the daily fail for crappy tabloid journalism? Everything old is new again... | |
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See. I remember when the news about MJ taking that boy on tour with him for a year and giving his parents a Rolls Royce was rather telling. At the time I became very, very suspicious of MJ. But when I thought about the parents allowing this to happen, to me they were scum. | |
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dont know whats more disturbing.. the approximate what?? 30-40 childfen whom were alledged to have abused OR these crazy MJ fans??
imagine if your mate had been accused of one...okay maybe innocent..BUT DOZENS???
then you found out he had paid EVERY ONE OF THEM OFF??
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Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise. | |
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There would be no amount of money that could compensate me. Also, if he really did molest those kids, those parent s don't deserve a fucking dime as they are the ones that left their kids alone with a grown man. | |
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Before you throw the crazy label around, As the OP of this thread, Ask yourself are you actually level headed about this yourself? Or do you already have your own possibly prejudiced opinion? and what are you really basing that on?
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The Feds website is still there, with their released files and info on MJ.
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 another day another Michael Jackson did something that can't be proven or didn't happen thread | |
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mods.......may as well lock this thread
the MJ lunatics have taken over......
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Does any of this stuff matter now?
Let's move on,shall we?
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Michael Jackson is dead.I really don't see the point in re-hashing old,unproven accusations and vicious rumors when the person is not here to defend himself.jonylawson said:
mods.....may as well lock this thread
the MJ lunatics have taken over.....
You mean people that don't have bias towards a man proven innocent. Yes some such as funkyandy have and will make insane posts defending him but you're no better looking for anything to prove he's guilty when there's nothing new to find. Tabloids are tabloids. I'm sure you don't think Bill Clinton is dying of AIDS do you? Just because it's about Michael Jackson it's no more valid | |
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maybe if the cost of rectifying all these NEW aligations out numbers the cost that the jackson fam is (pardon my french) tryin to (wait for it) jack other people for (on the premiss of whut coulda been) everybody can be happy and shut the fuck up. dude is dead, may he rest in peace... be glad he adopted the kids he got and let them eat in peace. i am KING BAD!!!
you are NOT... 
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From the link that illimack posted. SUNDAY, 30 JUNE 2013 The Mirror, the People, and the settlement that never was…It’s a funny thing. Ever since the high-profile Michael Jackson death trial started going pear-shaped for promoter AEG Live, a lot of newspapers which carry prominent and lucrative advertising for its events have become more intent on smearing Michael Jackson than ever.Leading the way has been The Mirror in the UK. A few weeks ago, contemporaneous emails presented at trial showed that AEG boss Randy Phillips had ‘slapped’ Michael Jackson because he was scared about attending a press conference. Slapped him and screamed at him ‘so loud the walls shook’.The shocking revelation was widely ignored by the press. Several days after the evidence was heard in open court, only one outlet had summoned the courage to publish the evidence. AP did not include the testimony in its daily missive from the courtroom. The wire’s reporter claimed on twitter he had been out of the courtroom sending emails when the testimony occurred.It was only when fans started making noise about the ‘cover-up’ on sites like Twitter that other media companies grudgingly published the comments.
AEG-sponsored newspapers like the Mirror, though, bizarrely tried to paint Michael Jackson as the bad guy. According to the first line of the Mirror’s story, Jackson ‘needed to be slapped’. Interestingly, the Mirror was a lot faster to publish a story last year accusing Janet Jackson of slapping a minor. A story which turned out to be a lie.This weekend – days after Jackson’s son took the stand and testified that he saw Phillips in his home while his father was not there, behaving ‘aggressively’ towards Jackson’s doctor – the Mirror’s Sunday edition, called the People, is at it again. It has published a highly misleading story about some ‘FBI files’ which allegedly show Michael Jackson was witnessed molesting children by multiple Neverland employees. The ‘FBI files’ also detail a supposed settlement with a young accuser in 1992 – before the Jordy Chandler case.In reality, the story is a nonsense; a birds nest of mangled and misstated accusations which are neither ‘new’ nor ‘exclusive’, despite the People’s repeated claims that they are. In fact, the documents are not ‘FBI files’ at all. This is a flat-out lie. Moreover, the claims have all been in the public domain for a very long time, some having been discredited two decades ago.Of course, most readers won’t bother to fact-check the story. Why would they? The newspaper is supposed to do that before publishing it. Sadly, it seems other media outlets can’t be bothered either. Britain’s Mail newspaper has already rehashed the story, evidently making no attempt to investigate its veracity before doing so.I could go into a whole lot of detail about the claims made by the People – and the various lazy journalists who will copy and paste its story hundreds, or perhaps thousands of times onto their own websites and into their own newspapers in the coming days. But what is the point? The info is already in the public domain.Those who hate Jackson will adopt the People’s story as evidence for their case. Those with an interest in hearing both sides of Jackson’s case will already know that these claims were debunked a long time ago. Nobody else will even bother to research the story. The People’s readers buy the newspaper because they like and trust it. They, as intended, will believe this story and will not question it.Briefly, however, for the record:
1) The ‘FBI files’ are not FBI files. They are transcripts of interviewscompiled by a tabloid journalist who paid his sources – including one who turned out not to exist.They were acquired by a PI who worked for Jackson’s defence team. A decade later, he was prosecuted for tapping phones. The FBI seized all of his files, of which these tabloid interviews formed a miniscule part. 2) The allegations of Jackson being caught by multiple employees do not, as the People infers, come from a host of different documents. They all come from one document – a transcript of an interview with a couple called the LeMarques, who worked at Neverland in the late 80s and early 90s. The People intentionally does not state that all of these uncorroborated accusations come from just one of the documents, instead purposely misleading readers and suggesting that they’re taken from a cache of evidence. The LeMarques never contacted police about the abuse they claimed to have witnessed, instead opting to negotiate deals with tabloid newspapers – including the Mirror. Their claims were investigated by cops probing Jackson, who found the couple had agreed to add increasingly graphic details to their interviews for more and more money. Investigators concluded in the 90s that the pair had no credibility and possessed no evidence of any genuine abuse. They were called on out of desperation to testify in Jackson’s 2005 trial after prosecutors watched their case begin to disintegrate, but weredestroyed under cross-examination. Jurors rejected their testimony and acquitted Jackson, unanimously. 3) The supposed ‘settlement’ in 1992 was detailed to a tabloid reporter, for money, by a female source who claimed to work for Jordan Chandler’s legal firm. She never showed the reporter a document – she simply ‘read it out’ over the phone. A police investigation into the claim found that the boy named in the settlement did not exist, there was no record of any settlement ever being paid, and the female source had never worked for the legal firm and in fact did not exist. She was never heard of again. This leaves one element of the People’s story standing; that Jackson ‘allegedly’ – what a convenient little word that is – paid $35million to two-dozen young accusers. The newspaper presents no evidence to corroborate this claim. Just a note in the tabloid reporter’s documents, which the People intentionally misrepresents as an ‘FBI file’. Contrary to the People’s claim, investigators knew about and investigated these tapes as part of their probe into Jackson in 2003/4, in which they were assisted by the FBI. Despite all of their resources, neither the Californian police nor the FBI was ever able to locate any evidence that any child besides Jordan Chandler or Jason Francia ever received a settlement.
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jonylawson...you're a troll.
[Edited 6/30/13 18:02pm] The salvation of man is through love and in love. - Dr. V. Frankl
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So NOW you want out? I think i've been even-handed in my comments. I'm bored of the whole damn subject to be honest. [Edited 6/30/13 18:11pm] | |
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Yes you have. I personally suggest jony needs a little time out to think about this. I suggest a nice little temp ban. | |
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So NOW you want out? I think i've been even-handed in my comments. I'm bored of the whole damn subject to be honest. [Edited 6/30/13 18:11pm] And I'm not even a fan. | |
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