huh. i was kind of hoping there would be more to your participation than an ongoing grudge against Cloudy.

whatever. i've had enough of this. thanks

XxAxX said:

huh. i was kind of hoping there would be more to your participation than an ongoing grudge against Cloudy.

whatever. i've had enough of this. thanks

My participation consists mainly the complete and utter destructionof the "chemtrail" conspiracy, so there's that.

I'm surprised that you would think of my responding to the uncalled-for questioning of my religious beliefs as a "grudge" but hey - different strokes for different folks.

do you not see the exquisite humor of this???? let me entertain you for a moment. first, though, please believe that i have faith in 'god' too, probably not the same way you do, but it is there. i mean no disrespect, i only wish to address perspectives, and points of view.

i understand that to you, belief in the god of christianity is fundamental to your life, your purpose for being, and love of god is eveything that you hold dear. trust me here, the purpose of my bringing this up is not to denigrate the belief that you hold. i respect that you have a belief system and that you are true to that.

however, what Cloudy meant by refering to your religious belief is completely accurate in the sense that he meant it: from an atheist point of view, belief in God is nothing more than belief in unfounded rumors and fairy tales written of long-dead people and adventures which allegedly occurred centuries before any of us were born in an ancient, foreign culture which has no bearing on life today.

from an atheist point of view, the events in the bible are things that none of us have witnessed for ourselves, and which are therefore technically hearsay. inadmissible as evidence in any court of the land. let me be clear: faith in god is, on one level, and from a perspective that you do not embrace, the same as belief in chemtrails.

so, when you set out to destroy all discussions of chemtrail theory, because *you* don't eblieve such a thing could be true, while simultaneously defending the god that not everyone else believes in, why, the inherent contradiction in your proclaimed intent and action is sort of... funny. actually.

i do enjoy talking about stuff with you. i hope i don't cause offense

I have proven there's no such thing as chemtrails through facts, logic, personal experience, and the taking apart of the "evidence" presented by conspiracists.

Cloudie decided to get personal and bring religion into it. Who cares if he's an atheist or not? It would have been no less offensive if he was a Muslim or Jewish, and said the same thing about Jesus.

At any rate, I've disproven chemtrails. He can't disprove God and, might I add, he was the one who said so clearly this thread was only for chemtrail believers. He broke his own rule, didn't he?

No offense taken.

^ oh my golly me. and you entertain me right back

Wow. I haven't had a popular thread in a loooooong time and all of this....

Thank you all for participating. I do want to hear both sides and I really was wanting to know what people thought.

Yesterday I was on the train and I saw a plane taking off from Long Beach Airport and I could see a visible exhaust trail in the sky as the plane took off. For some reason this gave me comfort

I'm a believer in that I believe that my chemtrail is the one true Chemtrail.

I believe those trails are real and that chemtrails is an apt name for them because that's what they are - aircraft exhaust trails from atmosphere and fuel biproduct. Are they harmful? Yes, it's nasty. Are we being intentionally sprayed with mass bio vaccines? Is it bio weather control - lol hardcore advocates can spew some far out theories and prop some compelling video; I've watched some and hey - some of it does make you think. I think the reason the ChemTrail conspiracy continues to gain ground (again) is because people can look up into the sky on any given day now and see tons of scraper trails. Why? Do we realize how big air traffic has become? If you live on or near a flight path thousands of aircraft are overhead. We contribute to it on the ground and in the skies, but until we can transport ourselves with the twitch of our nose - what can we do about it? It may come, but until then - it's only going to get worse.

geoengineering.ox.ac.uk

Geoengineering is the deliberate large-scale intervention in the Earth’s natural systems to counteract climate change.

There is wide range of proposed geoengineering techniques. Generally, these can be grouped into two categories:

Solar Radiation Management (SRM) or Solar Geoengineering

SRM techniques aim to reflect a small proportion of the Sun’s energy back into space, counteracting the temperature rise caused by increased levels of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere which absorb energy and raise temperatures. Some proposed techniques include:

• Albedo enhancement. Increasing the reflectiveness of clouds or the land surface so that more of the Sun’s heat is reflected back into space.
• Space reflectors. Blocking a small proportion of sunlight before it reaches the Earth.
• Stratospheric aerosols. Introducing small, reflective particles into the upper atmosphere to reflect some sunlight before it reaches the surface of the Earth.

Red said:

I believe those trails are real and that chemtrails is an apt name for them because that's what they are - aircraft exhaust trails from atmosphere and fuel biproduct. Are they harmful? Yes, it's nasty. Are we being intentionally sprayed with mass bio vaccines? Is it bio weather control - lol hardcore advocates can spew some far out theories and prop some compelling video; I've watched some and hey - some of it does make you think. I think the reason the ChemTrail conspiracy continues to gain ground (again) is because people can look up into the sky on any given day now and see tons of scraper trails. Why? Do we realize how big air traffic has become? If you live on or near a flight path thousands of aircraft are overhead. We contribute to it on the ground and in the skies, but until we can transport ourselves with the twitch of our nose - what can we do about it? It may come, but until then - it's only going to get worse.

I don't appreciate you making fun of this important topic.



We all KNOW that what we're really waiting for is the development of a transporter so we can be beamed across the globe.

MacDaddy said:

geoengineering.ox.ac.uk

Geoengineering is the deliberate large-scale intervention in the Earth’s natural systems to counteract climate change.

There is wide range of proposed geoengineering techniques. Generally, these can be grouped into two categories:

Solar Radiation Management (SRM) or Solar Geoengineering

SRM techniques aim to reflect a small proportion of the Sun’s energy back into space, counteracting the temperature rise caused by increased levels of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere which absorb energy and raise temperatures. Some proposed techniques include:

• Albedo enhancement. Increasing the reflectiveness of clouds or the land surface so that more of the Sun’s heat is reflected back into space.
• Space reflectors. Blocking a small proportion of sunlight before it reaches the Earth.
• Stratospheric aerosols. Introducing small, reflective particles into the upper atmosphere to reflect some sunlight before it reaches the surface of the Earth.

I saw a special on one of those nature channels about these proposals.

One of them mentioned covering large swaths of the poles(?) in reflective sheeting material.

The other mentioned spraying reflective particles into the upper atmosphere.

Interesting stuff.

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MacDaddy said:

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Have you forgotten what you said earlier in this thread? "And if they are spraying, whatever it is, it might bind to the ice crystals and most likely enter the earth via rain. But hey, that's what it looks like to me."

Can you please tell us what the cloud conditions are in your picture? How many rain clouds do you see behind Mr. T?

LMMFBO, c'mon! I know you are smarter than this!

From http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/

Weather Warfare: Beware the US Military’s Experiments with Climatic Warfare

"Rarely acknowledged in the debate on global climate change, the world’s weather can now be modified as part of a new generation of sophisticated electromagnetic weapons. Both the US and Russia have developed capabilities to manipulate the climate for military use."

http://www.globalresearch.ca/weather-warfare-beware-the-us-military-s-experiments-with-climatic-warfare/7561

MacDaddy said:

Weather Warfare: Beware the US Military’s Experiments with Climatic Warfare

"Rarely acknowledged in the debate on global climate change, the world’s weather can now be modified as part of a new generation of sophisticated electromagnetic weapons. Both the US and Russia have developed capabilities to manipulate the climate for military use."

http://www.globalresearch.ca/weather-warfare-beware-the-us-military-s-experiments-with-climatic-warfare/7561

A story with no proof, no examples, and no theory. A story that clearly states every scientist in the world ignores this goofball theory.

Awesome!

RodeoSchro said:

MacDaddy said:

Weather Warfare: Beware the US Military’s Experiments with Climatic Warfare

"Rarely acknowledged in the debate on global climate change, the world’s weather can now be modified as part of a new generation of sophisticated electromagnetic weapons. Both the US and Russia have developed capabilities to manipulate the climate for military use."

http://www.globalresearch.ca/weather-warfare-beware-the-us-military-s-experiments-with-climatic-warfare/7561

A story with no proof, no examples, and no theory. A story that clearly states every scientist in the world ignores this goofball theory.

Awesome!

You obviously did not watch the the documentary I posted one post earlier. Watch that first and then give some feedback.
Good luck with your ignorance though!

MacDaddy said:

RodeoSchro said:

A story with no proof, no examples, and no theory. A story that clearly states every scientist in the world ignores this goofball theory.

Awesome!

You obviously did not watch the the documentary I posted one post earlier. Watch that first and then give some feedback.
Good luck with your ignorance though!

Obviously I did not, as I have a life.

I do not know what it is with this conspiracy moonbattery. Not a single one of you can articulately express your thoughts. All you can do is say "Watch several hours of these videos!" or "Read these hundreds of pages of documents!" Yet you cannot answer a single question about the contents of what you ask us to ingest. This leads me to believe that y'all don't watch the videos or read the documents, which kind of defines you guys as trolls. Or just lazy. No offense.

Case in point - you said "chemtrails" come down through rain and then posted a picture of a bunch of "chemtrails" in a completely clear sky. LMFAO, you can't make this kind of stuff up!

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RodeoSchro said:

MacDaddy said:

You obviously did not watch the the documentary I posted one post earlier. Watch that first and then give some feedback.
Good luck with your ignorance though!

Obviously I did not, as I have a life.

I do not know what it is with this conspiracy moonbattery. Not a single one of you can articulately express your thoughts. All you can do is say "Watch several hours of these videos!" or "Read these hundreds of pages of documents!" Yet you cannot answer a single question about the contents of what you ask us to ingest. This leads me to believe that y'all don't watch the videos or read the documents, which kind of defines you guys as trolls. Or just lazy. No offense.

Case in point - you said "chemtrails" come down through rain and then posted a picture of a bunch of "chemtrails" in a completely clear sky. LMFAO, you can't make this kind of stuff up!

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[Edited 7/17/13 8:24am]

The video is only 46 minutes and it's a presentation done by lead researcher Dane Wigington.
He can explain far better than I can what geo engineering entails and why we should pay attention. Everyone here has a life, including me. You obviously spend enough time on here defending your position so those 46 minutes will not take a way that much of your time.

RodeoSchro said:

MacDaddy said:

You obviously did not watch the the documentary I posted one post earlier. Watch that first and then give some feedback.
Good luck with your ignorance though!

Obviously I did not, as I have a life.

I do not know what it is with this conspiracy moonbattery. Not a single one of you can articulately express your thoughts. All you can do is say "Watch several hours of these videos!" or "Read these hundreds of pages of documents!" Yet you cannot answer a single question about the contents of what you ask us to ingest. This leads me to believe that y'all don't watch the videos or read the documents, which kind of defines you guys as trolls. Or just lazy. No offense.

Case in point - you said "chemtrails" come down through rain and then posted a picture of a bunch of "chemtrails" in a completely clear sky. LMFAO, you can't make this kind of stuff up!

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[Edited 7/17/13 8:24am]

i believe i mentioned above how narrowminded and dogmatically you cling to *your* version of what is. now, let me just say, it's disappointing to see you still advocating the same narrow scope of discernment.

although i like you, and find your posts entertaining, you should probably stay away from threads like this one. here, you make a bad impression

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

I want to begin by saying that I do not believe there is a Chemtrail conspiracy

BUT

I do have questions for those who believe Chemtrails are real!!!

1 - What is in the Chemtrail?

2 - Cars have visible vapor that comes from the tailpipe. Is it possible the trail is exhaust from the Jet engines?

3 - Do chemtrails appear in major cities only? Do they appear in the countryside? Are only certain cities "affected"?

4 - How can a small trail so far up in the atmostphere have large scale effects?

5 - Who do you believe is responsible for doing this and why?

If I think of more questions I will post them.

Supa...I too don't have much time for conspiracy theories...but apparently there are declassified documents about the matter?

On YouTube: 'WTF Declassified Docs Reveal Genocide Caused By Chemtrail Testing'

MacDaddy said:

RodeoSchro said:

Obviously I did not, as I have a life.

I do not know what it is with this conspiracy moonbattery. Not a single one of you can articulately express your thoughts. All you can do is say "Watch several hours of these videos!" or "Read these hundreds of pages of documents!" Yet you cannot answer a single question about the contents of what you ask us to ingest. This leads me to believe that y'all don't watch the videos or read the documents, which kind of defines you guys as trolls. Or just lazy. No offense.

Case in point - you said "chemtrails" come down through rain and then posted a picture of a bunch of "chemtrails" in a completely clear sky. LMFAO, you can't make this kind of stuff up!

.

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The video is only 46 minutes and it's a presentation done by lead researcher Dane Wigington.
He can explain far better than I can what geo engineering entails and why we should pay attention. Everyone here has a life, including me. You obviously spend enough time on here defending your position so those 46 minutes will not take a way that much of your time.

In other words, you are either putting your belief in something that you can neither explaoin yourself or probably even understand; or, you haven't watched the video either, and are unprepared to discuss it.

Either way, you are unprepared for the debate and I'm not going to waste my time watching a video and then find out my debate partner is unprepared/unable to discuss it.

Honestly, it's just plain rude to throw out hours of videos/reams of documents in a debate and say, "Hey, look at this" without any ability to discuss same. You guys do this all the time and quite honestly, it's damaging to your credibility.

I've debated economics ad infinitum on P&R, and I have NEVER just thrown out a bunch of links and said, "Here you go, boys! I win!" I ALWAYS present the relevant data from any source in my own words; draw my own conclusions based upon the evidence; and then post the link the supporting evidence - complete with instructions about where EXACTLY to go to find the data I've referenced.

But you and your ilk NEVER do that. There are two possible reasons: (1) You guys are lazy; and/or (2) You guys don't believe or can't even understand your own sources.

Either way, you lose.

XxAxX said:

RodeoSchro said:

Obviously I did not, as I have a life.

I do not know what it is with this conspiracy moonbattery. Not a single one of you can articulately express your thoughts. All you can do is say "Watch several hours of these videos!" or "Read these hundreds of pages of documents!" Yet you cannot answer a single question about the contents of what you ask us to ingest. This leads me to believe that y'all don't watch the videos or read the documents, which kind of defines you guys as trolls. Or just lazy. No offense.

Case in point - you said "chemtrails" come down through rain and then posted a picture of a bunch of "chemtrails" in a completely clear sky. LMFAO, you can't make this kind of stuff up!

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[Edited 7/17/13 8:24am]

i believe i mentioned above how narrowminded and dogmatically you cling to *your* version of what is. now, let me just say, it's disappointing to see you still advocating the same narrow scope of discernment.

although i like you, and find your posts entertaining, you should probably stay away from threads like this one. here, you make a bad impression

I like you too, and if I make a bad impression, it is upon those who are unprepared/unable/unwilling to debate their own positions.

If you think I'm going to apologize for insisting that those on the other side debate like grown-ups, then you are very, very wrong.

But if you'd care to take MacDaddy's position that "chemtrails" are delivered through rain, and then explain why all the pictures he and his ilk post of "chemtrails" show them in cloudless skies, then I'd be more than happy to hear what you have to say about that.

RodeoSchro said:

MacDaddy said:

No I don't believe in shapeshifting airplanes. Let me ask you again, did you watch the video I posted? It's only a little over 5 minutes.

Yes, I did watch it. Three minutes of slides, with absolutely no data whatsoever. Pictures of ONE jet fitted with barrels and nozzles. I am sure that jet exists. I know that various governments, including the US, have experimented with cloud seeding in an effort to reduce drought. No surprise there.

The surprise is that whomever put together your video provided absolutely NOTHING in the way of explanation for ANYTHING he posted.

How about the last two minutes? Nothing but a 180-degree view of some contrails. As you can see when he pans to the right side, the contrails begin to blend into what are CLEARLY stratocumulus clouds. And ask yourself this - why did the videographer not pan 360 degrees? I am certain the answer is that would have showed more of the cloud formations, thus killing the attempt to show the sky covered in "chemtrails".

But for the sake of argument, let's assume that video does, in fact, show chemical-laden spraying. Do you realize how high up those jets must be? Let me give you some technical information.

Commercial jet paths range from approximately 28,000 feet to approximately 39,000 feet. (Below that is reserved for not-jet aviation - prop planes, turbo props, etc.). The military uses space just above and just below commercial air routes. (One time an F-16 pilot asked permission to buzz us as a training exercise and we said OK. He intercepted us at 500 knots, right in front of our plane. It was the coolest MF-ing thing I have ever seen!)

Therefore, if there is a fleet of chemical-spraying jets, they MUST be at an altitude of about 45,000 feet or higher (that's about 8 miles up).

Winds aloft (meaning the wind speed at high altitudes) are never less than 20 knots, and often are consistently 100 knots or more. And weirdly enough, the strongest winds are usually found in mid-altitude levels. Are you with me so far?

So imagine if you will how much dispersal there is of a chemical released at 50,000 feet, from an aircraft traveling 500 knots. In order for ANY chemical to make it to the Earth in ANY kind of concentrated form at all, it would have to be about as thick as rain. But we don't ever see chemicals raining down on us, do we?

Oh but Rodeo, you say, maybe they release the chemicals INTO the rain! OK fine, but 99% of all "chemtrail" pictures posted as chemtrail proof are of "chemtrails" in cloudless skies. And think about it - how inconsistent would be the mind-control or whatever is supposed to be happening? People in rainy climates would be zombies, while people in arid climates would be under no mind-control at all! Hardly the hallmarks of an evil-genius plan, are they?

So any chemical sprayed from 45,000 feet, being dumped out of an aircraft traveling 500 knots, and floating down through winds that are consistently about 50 knots but much of the time are above 100 knots (i.e. hurricane-force winds!) would land on Earth at a molecule at a time. Seriously. If you stood under one of these "chemtrail" dumpings and let it filter down on you, the odds of even one grain landing on you are incredibly small.

To increase those odds, an absolutely GIGANTIC amount of chemtrails would have to be dumped continually. That, of course, would take an air force of chemtrail planes so large that it could not possibly be hidden anywhere on the face of the Earth. You know, there are only so many runways that can accommodate commercial airliner-size jets. It's not like they could be hiding these one-by-one at rural airports and if they did, they would stand out like sore thumbs.

If there IS an air force of these jets, you would know about it. There wouldn't be just ONE nozzle-equipped jet like in your video; there would be thousands and thousands.

Please tell me you grasp this.

By the way, here is what happened when I did watch one of MacDaddy's videos. As you can see, it was five minutes of absolutely NOTHING. I find it hard to believe MacDaddy would purposefully have me watch five minutes of NOTHING, which leads me to believe he hadn't yet watched what he insisted that I watch, and didn't know it was five minutes of NOTHING.

And when I did watch it, and presented the case against it, MacDaddy went completely silent. He has not addressed this video since I responded to it.

So given the way this 5-minute video played out, and MacDaddy's complete lack of ability to debate it once I watched it and responded about it, why on Earth does anyone think I would watch a 46-minute video?

Been there, done that.

RodeoSchro said:

XxAxX said:

you know, 'scuse me for stepping in, but people in the P&R forum gave Cloud such a hard time, he might be feeling a bit reluctant to actually voice his opinions flat out. i know i would be.

i actually avoid that forum these days due to the lack of informed debate, due to the refusal of participants to actually watch the clips on offer, and participation by those who seem to be seeking attention, rather than information.

WATCH THE CLIPS. don't sit there asking what they say. don't demand that Cloudy defend his opinion, after you demand that he proffer one. watch. the. clip. find one on youtube about the same topic that is shorter. see what you think

i've watched a few movies on chemtrails and definitely cloud seeding chemtrails are present in our skies, as well as cloud dispersant chemicals. this is just the beginning. there is an entire school of meteorology which addresses chemicals deliberately infused into our skies. whether or not mind-body-altering chemicals are out there i do not know for sure, personally. i do not know how to find out conclusively, because the information is obviously not readily available. but the evidence suggests that there is some truth to this 'rumor'. watch some of the eyewitness tstimony and it will make you at least think.

my 2c

But they aren't clips, they're full-length feature films! I'm not about to invest 1 hour - much less almost 5 hours - on stuff that can neither persuade or dissuade a veteran debater like cloudbuster.

This is not a knock on cloudie; in fact, it's a compliment. Although I disagree with most of his positions that I know of, I do respect the fact that he has very definite opinions on all subjects upon which he posts.

So to hear him say, "I watched 5 hours on this and it didn't move me one way or the other" tells me that watching those videos would be a total waste of time. Cloudie is saying, "These videos are not well-enough put together to give you any kind of opinion at all".

The original poster asked for an explaination for chemtrail conspiricy.
Someone posted 5 hours worth of material.

That is far too much apparently, they only need a short and concise answer.

Well unfortunatley there are no short and concise answers to things like this.

You actually have to go out there and do your own research instead of basing your entire perspective on what other people have told you, either in person or on the internet.

You shouldn't even be asking other people on here to tell you about it, you should go find out for yourself.

Seems people on this site want to have all these discussions on topics but don't actually have the patience or the mental capacity to carry out real discussions or debates. It's kind of like watching teenagers on this site lol

RodeoSchro said:

MacDaddy said:

You obviously did not watch the the documentary I posted one post earlier. Watch that first and then give some feedback.
Good luck with your ignorance though!

Obviously I did not, as I have a life.

I do not know what it is with this conspiracy moonbattery. Not a single one of you can articulately express your thoughts. All you can do is say "Watch several hours of these videos!" or "Read these hundreds of pages of documents!" Yet you cannot answer a single question about the contents of what you ask us to ingest. This leads me to believe that y'all don't watch the videos or read the documents, which kind of defines you guys as trolls. Or just lazy. No offense.

Case in point - you said "chemtrails" come down through rain and then posted a picture of a bunch of "chemtrails" in a completely clear sky. LMFAO, you can't make this kind of stuff up!

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"Obviously I did not, as I have a life"

Do you? Seems you have far too much of a life to actually watch material or spend time LEARNING things, but have more than enough life to talk about these things on a forum for like 7 pages. Yeah, seems like you're the coolest cat in town.

TheScouser said:

RodeoSchro said:

But they aren't clips, they're full-length feature films! I'm not about to invest 1 hour - much less almost 5 hours - on stuff that can neither persuade or dissuade a veteran debater like cloudbuster.

This is not a knock on cloudie; in fact, it's a compliment. Although I disagree with most of his positions that I know of, I do respect the fact that he has very definite opinions on all subjects upon which he posts.

So to hear him say, "I watched 5 hours on this and it didn't move me one way or the other" tells me that watching those videos would be a total waste of time. Cloudie is saying, "These videos are not well-enough put together to give you any kind of opinion at all".

The original poster asked for an explaination for chemtrail conspiricy.
Someone posted 5 hours worth of material.

That is far too much apparently, they only need a short and concise answer.

Well unfortunatley there are no short and concise answers to things like this.

You actually have to go out there and do your own research instead of basing your entire perspective on what other people have told you, either in person or on the internet.

You shouldn't even be asking other people on here to tell you about it, you should go find out for yourself.

Seems people on this site want to have all these discussions on topics but don't actually have the patience or the mental capacity to carry out real discussions or debates. It's kind of like watching teenagers on this site lol

Not true. Two points:

First point - The wee little cloudy posted 5 hours of videos that he said were unable to convince him one way or the other. You'd have to have absolutely NO life whatsoever to watch 5 hours worth of videos that someone who you know subscribes to almost every conspiracy theory out there tells you are inconclusive videos. I mean, if my little friend cloudy didn't buy into them, they are the weakest of the weak!

Second point - MacDaddy posted a video that he begged me to watch. I finally did. It was three minutes of slides with no narration, documentation or explanation, and two minutes of un-narrated video of contrails. I posted my thoughts on that video 45 days ago and MacDaddy has yet to respond to anything I posted. Either he is silently agreeing that his video was, in fact, totally useless or he never watched it himself and is thus unable to engage in debate about it.

That's just two examples of the total attempted wasting of time by "chemtrail" believers. If you read any of the Illuminati threads, you know that this is Standard Operating Procedure for conspiracy theorists.

I disagree that this is like watching teenagers. The conspiracy theorists can only dream that they could debate like teenagers. They are a long, long way from reaching that level.

TheScouser said:

RodeoSchro said:

Obviously I did not, as I have a life.

I do not know what it is with this conspiracy moonbattery. Not a single one of you can articulately express your thoughts. All you can do is say "Watch several hours of these videos!" or "Read these hundreds of pages of documents!" Yet you cannot answer a single question about the contents of what you ask us to ingest. This leads me to believe that y'all don't watch the videos or read the documents, which kind of defines you guys as trolls. Or just lazy. No offense.

Case in point - you said "chemtrails" come down through rain and then posted a picture of a bunch of "chemtrails" in a completely clear sky. LMFAO, you can't make this kind of stuff up!

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[Edited 7/17/13 8:24am]

"Obviously I did not, as I have a life"

Do you? Seems you have far too much of a life to actually watch material or spend time LEARNING things, but have more than enough life to talk about these things on a forum for like 7 pages. Yeah, seems like you're the coolest cat in town.

If you want to debate like an adult, then by all means go right ahead. It would be a refreshing change to what I've had to endure so far.

yes. you've proven YOUR *maturity* by calling Cloudbuster "wee cloudy" whenever and wherever you get a chance. so stfu and i say that with all due respect

now. why don't we all just stop fighting and have a beer and watch the chemtrails???

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how timely! in today's news,

http://www.nbcnews.com/sc...6C10680035

CIA said to back study on ways to hack the global climate

The U.S. intelligence community is helping to fund a study that is evaluating ways to cool the global climate, including proposals to pump the skies full of sunlight reflecting particles and build machines that vacuum greenhouse gases from the atmosphere.

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-A final report is tentatively scheduled for release in the spring or summer of 2014 by the National Academy of Sciences, which has convened a committee of science and policy experts to study the issue.

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"It is an assessment of the science — what do we know, what do we not know, what are the risks based on what we know and don't know right now," Lauren Rugani, a spokeswoman for the National Academy of Sciences, told NBC News.

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"We are not conducting experiments, we are not producing original research, we are not developing any new technologies," she added.

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In addition to the U.S. intelligence community, sponsors of the $630,000 study include the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, NASA and the sciences academy. According to Grist, an environmental news website, the term "U.S. intelligence community" refers to the CIA.

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Edward Price, a spokesperson for the CIA, would not confirm the agency's involvement, but told NBC News in an email that "on a subject like climate change, the agency works with scientists to better understand the phenomenon and its implications on national security."

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An intelligence community report in 2008 found that climate change, among other things, is likely to destabilize governments a... terrorism, posing a threat to U.S. national security, for example.

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A 2011 National Research Council report urged the U.S. Navy to pr...ge impacts including the prospect for geopolitical conflicts in the Arctic as the sea ice there continues to dwindle, opening the region up to increased mineral exploration and shipping traffic.

To that end, military contractor Raytheon is working with the Navy to develop technologies that will improve communications and "maintain vigilant situational awareness over a somewhat austere area and very logistically challenging to be able to operate in," Tim Raglin, a program manager for the Raytheon Innovation and Prototyping team, told NBC News in a technology briefing in April.

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That the government's top science agencies and intelligence community are also willing to fund research on techniques to cool the climate suggests the seriousness with which the government takes the potential impacts of global warming.

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The study committee held its first formal meeting this week in Washington, D.C. On top of evaluating proposed geoengineering techniques, the final report will comment on the "possible environmental, economic, and national security concerns" associated with the technologies, according to the project description.

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As for concerns that intelligence community funding will make some or all of the committee's findings secret, Rugani said not to worry.

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"The report is unclassified. It will be conducted in the public sphere and will be made available to the public in its entirety once it is completed," she said. "So, there's nothing nefarious going on here."

John Roach is a contributing writer to NBC News. To learn more about him, visit his website.