PurpleJedi said:

Stymie said:

Hey there's still time for you. Especially if you come to Seattle.

Stymie said:

PurpleJedi said:

Travelocity here I come...

PurpleJedi said:

Stymie said:

Travelocity here I come...

I am looking forward to meeting you.

I don't know if I'll ever get married and if by chance I do, I'm sure it'd be pretty small if anything at all since I HATE planning events and such.. Coordinating, and organizing stuff for groups of people makes me crazy.

...That being said... I LOVE going to weddings Everything about them..

Just had an interesting conversation here in the office that reminded me of this thread;

Someone argued (and I agree) that today's society no longer calls for big, extravagant weddings, because marriage itself is not what it used to be.

Once-upon-a-time boy & girl fell in love, got married and celebrated with a lavish wedding to mark the beginning of a lifelong commitment. A big, big thing.

Nowadays, in our disposable society where people get married for a few years then go on to the next relationship when they get tired of it...the celebration should be toned down. It's more like; "Let's celebrate the union of these two people who're gonna be together for the next 5 or 10 years".
You don't need a wedding party of 20 groomsmen/bridesmaids and a $2,000 cake to celebrate that.



What do you think about that?

PurpleJedi said:

Just had an interesting conversation here in the office that reminded me of this thread;

Someone argued (and I agree) that today's society no longer calls for big, extravagant weddings, because marriage itself is not what it used to be.

Once-upon-a-time boy & girl fell in love, got married and celebrated with a lavish wedding to mark the beginning of a lifelong commitment. A big, big thing.

Nowadays, in our disposable society where people get married for a few years then go on to the next relationship when they get tired of it...the celebration should be toned down. It's more like; "Let's celebrate the union of these two people who're gonna be together for the next 5 or 10 years".
You don't need a wedding party of 20 groomsmen/bridesmaids and a $2,000 cake to celebrate that.



What do you think about that?

I totally agree, altho not for the same reasoning..

I think spending 10s of thousands of dollars on a wedding is just completely insane whether it lasts forever or 2 years..

PurpleJedi said:

Just had an interesting conversation here in the office that reminded me of this thread;

Someone argued (and I agree) that today's society no longer calls for big, extravagant weddings, because marriage itself is not what it used to be.

Once-upon-a-time boy & girl fell in love, got married and celebrated with a lavish wedding to mark the beginning of a lifelong commitment. A big, big thing.

Nowadays, in our disposable society where people get married for a few years then go on to the next relationship when they get tired of it...the celebration should be toned down. It's more like; "Let's celebrate the union of these two people who're gonna be together for the next 5 or 10 years".
You don't need a wedding party of 20 groomsmen/bridesmaids and a $2,000 cake to celebrate that.



What do you think about that?

I disagree.

You would be pretty hard pressed to find couples that are not fully convinced that they are in it for the long when they decide to marry.

I truly believe that those that marry really have the best intentions. That has never really changed.

The change is that many now realize that getting married is no longer the trap that it used to be - especially for women. Many married couples have always had major issues, and those issues often led to very dysfunctional families.

Thankfully, many couples have decided that stopping the cycle of dysfunction is more sacred than a "vow made to God".

Since they won't wed atheists in churchs here I think I'll be able to save a few bucks with that.

I'm also somewhat lactose-intolerant and so are most of my family members, so I might have hard time justifying a 2,000€ cake.

JustErin said:

PurpleJedi said:

Just had an interesting conversation here in the office that reminded me of this thread;

Someone argued (and I agree) that today's society no longer calls for big, extravagant weddings, because marriage itself is not what it used to be.

Once-upon-a-time boy & girl fell in love, got married and celebrated with a lavish wedding to mark the beginning of a lifelong commitment. A big, big thing.

Nowadays, in our disposable society where people get married for a few years then go on to the next relationship when they get tired of it...the celebration should be toned down. It's more like; "Let's celebrate the union of these two people who're gonna be together for the next 5 or 10 years".
You don't need a wedding party of 20 groomsmen/bridesmaids and a $2,000 cake to celebrate that.



What do you think about that?

I disagree.

You would be pretty hard pressed to find couples that are not fully convinced that they are in it for the long when they decide to marry.

I truly believe that those that marry really have the best intentions. That has never really changed.

The change is that many now realize that getting married is no longer the trap that it used to be - especially for women. Many married couples have always had major issues, and those issues often led to very dysfunctional families.

Thankfully, many couples have decided that stopping the cycle of dysfunction is more sacred than a "vow made to God".

Exactly.



The superficial marriages are history.

No need to stay unhappily married 4-ever.

Happily divorced is a much better place for many.



Partners have to act more responsible and involved nowadays.

When they don't the marriage will not work. That is not disposable, that is progress.

PurpleJedi said:

Just had an interesting conversation here in the office that reminded me of this thread;

Someone argued (and I agree) that today's society no longer calls for big, extravagant weddings, because marriage itself is not what it used to be.

Once-upon-a-time boy & girl fell in love, got married and celebrated with a lavish wedding to mark the beginning of a lifelong commitment. A big, big thing.

Nowadays, in our disposable society where people get married for a few years then go on to the next relationship when they get tired of it...the celebration should be toned down. It's more like; "Let's celebrate the union of these two people who're gonna be together for the next 5 or 10 years".
You don't need a wedding party of 20 groomsmen/bridesmaids and a $2,000 cake to celebrate that.



What do you think about that?

These days I'd say it's probably closer to the opposite, the bigger the ceremony the less likely they're in it for the long haul, that it's all for show. Bridezillas make me think they want to have a wedding, not that they want to build a marriage. The quiet ceremonies tend to be folks who want to make a serious committment and don't need to spend thousands of dollars and invite their parent's colleagues to witness it.

All a generalization, of course. There are exceptions on all sides.

If I get married it will be intimate and fun. Nothing lavish but the occasion will be marked for sure.

thekidsgirl said:

I don't know if I'll ever get married and if by chance I do, I'm sure it'd be pretty small if anything at all since I HATE planning events and such.. Coordinating, and organizing stuff for groups of people makes me crazy.

...That being said... I LOVE going to weddings Everything about them..

thekidsgirl said:

dJJ said:

JustErin said:

I disagree.

You would be pretty hard pressed to find couples that are not fully convinced that they are in it for the long when they decide to marry.

I truly believe that those that marry really have the best intentions. That has never really changed.

The change is that many now realize that getting married is no longer the trap that it used to be - especially for women. Many married couples have always had major issues, and those issues often led to very dysfunctional families.

Thankfully, many couples have decided that stopping the cycle of dysfunction is more sacred than a "vow made to God".

Exactly.



The superficial marriages are history.

No need to stay unhappily married 4-ever.

Happily divorced is a much better place for many.



Partners have to act more responsible and involved nowadays.

When they don't the marriage will not work. That is not disposable, that is progress.

Marriage is not a happily ever after.

It's hard work.

Are there dysfunctional and abusive relationships out there? Absofreakinlutely. That's why we make divorce readily available.

But 50% of marriages end up in divorce.
Does that mean that 50% of the relationships out there are dysfunctional and abusive?
I would bet the ranch that the answer is NO.

In fact, I continued this conversation with my therapist.
He deals with marriage counseling.
He deals with people either trying to save their marriage or wanting to end it.
In his experience, MOST of the people who "give up" on their marriage have someone else.

So I did a head-count. I am personally acquainted with SEVEN different people/couples who have divorced in the past four years (or are going through divorces now). Not counting my own.
In 6 out of the 7 cases, there was someone else. The 7th case was weird (she packed up and moved down South and told him to follow her or else). Probably more to that story I'm sure, but there was no one else on the side on either part.

There are 2 abusive relationships that I am familiar with (not counted above because neither one ever got to the "I do" stage)...one resulted in a child out of wedlock (the deadbeat dad packed up and moved to Florida, working off the books so he doesn't pay child support) and the other is still in that "We love each other so much it's worth fighting for" stage, and no matter what either one is told, they are going to go through their love/hate cycles of passion, anger, cheating, and mind-blowing makeup sex until one of them gets hurt (emotionally or physically). It's a train wreck that I'm trying to distance myself from (I'm good friends with both).

But the rest were breakups of complacency. People who gave up. Who allowed bitterness and unhappiness to fester and grow. Who allowed that spark of "love" to die. I don't know of ANY long-married couple who hasn't gone through dark periods. My own parents almost split b/c of my dad's heavy drinking. My closest friends are recently married (5 years to me is "recent") and they're already having problems. But they work at it. They TALK about it. They take action. They're not settling and - most of all - they're not looking for solace in someone else's arms.

Sorry for the long-winded reply...but that's my experience. That's what I know. If I was surrounded by people who were in abusive relationships but staying married "for the kids" then that would be what I would post about.



SO...back to the OP...regardless of WHY it happens, or what the initial intentions are...the fact remains that we are at a point in our society where marriage is temporary..."disposable" in my dictionary...so KNOWING that (as mature educated people should) it makes no sense to go and blow tens of thousands of dollars on a wedding. Go, have a simple ceremony, save the cash for the down payment on a house or something. If the marriage lasts 20 years, then have a lavish ceremony to renew your vows. THAT would be something to celebrate!

PurpleJedi said:

dJJ said:

Exactly.



The superficial marriages are history.

No need to stay unhappily married 4-ever.

Happily divorced is a much better place for many.



Partners have to act more responsible and involved nowadays.

When they don't the marriage will not work. That is not disposable, that is progress.

Marriage is not a happily ever after.

It's hard work.

Are there dysfunctional and abusive relationships out there? Absofreakinlutely. That's why we make divorce readily available.

But 50% of marriages end up in divorce.
Does that mean that 50% of the relationships out there are dysfunctional and abusive?
I would bet the ranch that the answer is NO.

In fact, I continued this conversation with my therapist.
He deals with marriage counseling.
He deals with people either trying to save their marriage or wanting to end it.
In his experience, MOST of the people who "give up" on their marriage have someone else.

So I did a head-count. I am personally acquainted with SEVEN different people/couples who have divorced in the past four years (or are going through divorces now). Not counting my own.
In 6 out of the 7 cases, there was someone else. The 7th case was weird (she packed up and moved down South and told him to follow her or else). Probably more to that story I'm sure, but there was no one else on the side on either part.

There are 2 abusive relationships that I am familiar with (not counted above because neither one ever got to the "I do" stage)...one resulted in a child out of wedlock (the deadbeat dad packed up and moved to Florida, working off the books so he doesn't pay child support) and the other is still in that "We love each other so much it's worth fighting for" stage, and no matter what either one is told, they are going to go through their love/hate cycles of passion, anger, cheating, and mind-blowing makeup sex until one of them gets hurt (emotionally or physically). It's a train wreck that I'm trying to distance myself from (I'm good friends with both).

But the rest were breakups of complacency. People who gave up. Who allowed bitterness and unhappiness to fester and grow. Who allowed that spark of "love" to die. I don't know of ANY long-married couple who hasn't gone through dark periods. My own parents almost split b/c of my dad's heavy drinking. My closest friends are recently married (5 years to me is "recent") and they're already having problems. But they work at it. They TALK about it. They take action. They're not settling and - most of all - they're not looking for solace in someone else's arms.

Sorry for the long-winded reply...but that's my experience. That's what I know. If I was surrounded by people who were in abusive relationships but staying married "for the kids" then that would be what I would post about.



SO...back to the OP...regardless of WHY it happens, or what the initial intentions are...the fact remains that we are at a point in our society where marriage is temporary..."disposable" in my dictionary...so KNOWING that (as mature educated people should) it makes no sense to go and blow tens of thousands of dollars on a wedding. Go, have a simple ceremony, save the cash for the down payment on a house or something. If the marriage lasts 20 years, then have a lavish ceremony to renew your vows. THAT would be something to celebrate!

I have a feeling your idea of "dysfunction" may not be on par with a lot of people's idea.

"Someone else" usually comes along because of issues in a relationship, and that can be anything from serious abuse to the simple realization that they had a delusional idea of what a marriage is about, or even worse what the person they married is all about.

Relationships take work, period. A piece of paper or a commitment to God does not automatically make a relationship more solid or worth trying harder. It either works or it doesn't and you really won't know if it works or not until you try.

Is a wife that realizes that she married someone that she has absolutely nothing in common with, that she is totally bored with, that she is really unhappy with a woman that is just giving up on her marriage? Sure, guess you can call it that...but why should someone just be unhappy for the rest of their lives? Is that not a good enough reason to move on and find someone that makes her totally happy?

I think it is and more and more people agree that it is.

JustErin said:

PurpleJedi said:

Marriage is not a happily ever after.

It's hard work.

Are there dysfunctional and abusive relationships out there? Absofreakinlutely. That's why we make divorce readily available.

But 50% of marriages end up in divorce.
Does that mean that 50% of the relationships out there are dysfunctional and abusive?
I would bet the ranch that the answer is NO.

In fact, I continued this conversation with my therapist.
He deals with marriage counseling.
He deals with people either trying to save their marriage or wanting to end it.
In his experience, MOST of the people who "give up" on their marriage have someone else.

So I did a head-count. I am personally acquainted with SEVEN different people/couples who have divorced in the past four years (or are going through divorces now). Not counting my own.
In 6 out of the 7 cases, there was someone else. The 7th case was weird (she packed up and moved down South and told him to follow her or else). Probably more to that story I'm sure, but there was no one else on the side on either part.

There are 2 abusive relationships that I am familiar with (not counted above because neither one ever got to the "I do" stage)...one resulted in a child out of wedlock (the deadbeat dad packed up and moved to Florida, working off the books so he doesn't pay child support) and the other is still in that "We love each other so much it's worth fighting for" stage, and no matter what either one is told, they are going to go through their love/hate cycles of passion, anger, cheating, and mind-blowing makeup sex until one of them gets hurt (emotionally or physically). It's a train wreck that I'm trying to distance myself from (I'm good friends with both).

But the rest were breakups of complacency. People who gave up. Who allowed bitterness and unhappiness to fester and grow. Who allowed that spark of "love" to die. I don't know of ANY long-married couple who hasn't gone through dark periods. My own parents almost split b/c of my dad's heavy drinking. My closest friends are recently married (5 years to me is "recent") and they're already having problems. But they work at it. They TALK about it. They take action. They're not settling and - most of all - they're not looking for solace in someone else's arms.

Sorry for the long-winded reply...but that's my experience. That's what I know. If I was surrounded by people who were in abusive relationships but staying married "for the kids" then that would be what I would post about.



SO...back to the OP...regardless of WHY it happens, or what the initial intentions are...the fact remains that we are at a point in our society where marriage is temporary..."disposable" in my dictionary...so KNOWING that (as mature educated people should) it makes no sense to go and blow tens of thousands of dollars on a wedding. Go, have a simple ceremony, save the cash for the down payment on a house or something. If the marriage lasts 20 years, then have a lavish ceremony to renew your vows. THAT would be something to celebrate!

I have a feeling your idea of "dysfunction" may not be on par with a lot of people's idea.

"Someone else" usually comes along because of issues in a relationship, and that can be anything from serious abuse to the simple realization that they had a delusional idea of what a marriage is about, or even worse what the person they married is all about.

Relationships take work, period. A piece of paper or a commitment to God does not automatically make a relationship more solid or worth trying harder. It either works or it doesn't and you really won't know if it works or not until you try.

Is a wife that realizes that she married someone that she has absolutely nothing in common with, that she is totally bored with, that she is really unhappy with a woman that is just giving up on her marriage? Sure, guess you can call it that...but why should someone just be unhappy for the rest of their lives? Is that not a good enough reason to move on and find someone that makes her totally happy?

I think it is and more and more people agree that it is.

^^^Exactly.

Is it not good enough reason to move on? Not without a fight. At least, not if you value or care for the person that you supposedly married, "for good and for bad, in sickness or in health". You don't just walk away.

I suppose dysfunction could be subjective. In my mind, "dysfunctional" means something to the effect of "irreparably damaged" and "borderline dangerous". Not "bored".

Let me add that, as you may know, happiness is a state of mind.
It is our mindset that determines how to deal with any particular variable and either become negative (unhappy) or positive (happy).
We dealt with this matter in that other thread (I can't recall which) but while there are variables that cannot be dealt with in a "happy" state (terminal illness, abuse, etc.) for the most part we assign an emotion to that which we experience.
That is why you can have wealthy miserable people and dirt-poor happy people, or why someone can fall into a state of depression over being 10 pounds overweight while another born without legs can remain positive and excel in life and become an athlete.

No one should live an unhappy life. But I believe - or rather, have learned that, ultimately we decide what brings up happiness...how to deal with the variables of life.

Yes, PLENTY of people are becoming bored with their partners. That boredom leads to bitterness, regret, and all that nasty stuff.

It's what you do with that boredom that matters.

PurpleJedi said:

JustErin said:

I have a feeling your idea of "dysfunction" may not be on par with a lot of people's idea.

"Someone else" usually comes along because of issues in a relationship, and that can be anything from serious abuse to the simple realization that they had a delusional idea of what a marriage is about, or even worse what the person they married is all about.

Relationships take work, period. A piece of paper or a commitment to God does not automatically make a relationship more solid or worth trying harder. It either works or it doesn't and you really won't know if it works or not until you try.

Is a wife that realizes that she married someone that she has absolutely nothing in common with, that she is totally bored with, that she is really unhappy with a woman that is just giving up on her marriage? Sure, guess you can call it that...but why should someone just be unhappy for the rest of their lives? Is that not a good enough reason to move on and find someone that makes her totally happy?

I think it is and more and more people agree that it is.

^^^Exactly.

Is it not good enough reason to move on? Not without a fight. At least, not if you value or care for the person that you supposedly married, "for good and for bad, in sickness or in health". You don't just walk away.

I suppose dysfunction could be subjective. In my mind, "dysfunctional" means something to the effect of "irreparably damaged" and "borderline dangerous". Not "bored".

Let me add that, as you may know, happiness is a state of mind.
It is our mindset that determines how to deal with any particular variable and either become negative (unhappy) or positive (happy).
We dealt with this matter in that other thread (I can't recall which) but while there are variables that cannot be dealt with in a "happy" state (terminal illness, abuse, etc.) for the most part we assign an emotion to that which we experience.
That is why you can have wealthy miserable people and dirt-poor happy people, or why someone can fall into a state of depression over being 10 pounds overweight while another born without legs can remain positive and excel in life and become an athlete.

No one should live an unhappy life. But I believe - or rather, have learned that, ultimately we decide what brings up happiness...how to deal with the variables of life.

Yes, PLENTY of people are becoming bored with their partners. That boredom leads to bitterness, regret, and all that nasty stuff.

It's what you do with that boredom that matters.

What does "fight" even mean in a case like the one I mentioned? Try to change the person you married to someone that is better suited to you? Try to change yourself to someone you're not?

Like I said earlier, I strongly believe that people enter marriage with the best intentions, but these best intentions are often delusional and impractical. That vow of "for better or worse or good or bad" is totally ridiculous, imo.

If it works out, and everyone is happy - that's awesome. And don't get me wrong, I am all for working together with your partner to have a loving, productive relationship...but when it's wrong, it's wrong and a ring isn't going to somehow make it right.

Marriage is not a trap, nor should it ever be.

JustErin said:

PurpleJedi said:

^^^Exactly.

Is it not good enough reason to move on? Not without a fight. At least, not if you value or care for the person that you supposedly married, "for good and for bad, in sickness or in health". You don't just walk away.

I suppose dysfunction could be subjective. In my mind, "dysfunctional" means something to the effect of "irreparably damaged" and "borderline dangerous". Not "bored".

Let me add that, as you may know, happiness is a state of mind.
It is our mindset that determines how to deal with any particular variable and either become negative (unhappy) or positive (happy).
We dealt with this matter in that other thread (I can't recall which) but while there are variables that cannot be dealt with in a "happy" state (terminal illness, abuse, etc.) for the most part we assign an emotion to that which we experience.
That is why you can have wealthy miserable people and dirt-poor happy people, or why someone can fall into a state of depression over being 10 pounds overweight while another born without legs can remain positive and excel in life and become an athlete.

No one should live an unhappy life. But I believe - or rather, have learned that, ultimately we decide what brings up happiness...how to deal with the variables of life.

Yes, PLENTY of people are becoming bored with their partners. That boredom leads to bitterness, regret, and all that nasty stuff.

It's what you do with that boredom that matters.

What does "fight" even mean in a case like the one I mentioned? Try to change the person you married to someone that is better suited to you? Try to change yourself to someone you're not?

Like I said earlier, I strongly believe that people enter marriage with the best intentions, but these best intentions are often delusional and impractical. That vow of "for better or worse or good or bad" is totally ridiculous, imo.

If it works out, and everyone is happy - that's awesome. And don't get me wrong, I am all for working together with your partner to have a loving, productive relationship...but when it's wrong, it's wrong and a ring isn't going to somehow make it right.

Marriage is not a trap, nor should it ever be.

"Fight" as in...explore your feelings. Why do you feel this way? What changed? What can be changed? DO something about it. Try therapy. Counseling. Retreats.
By default...you've ALREADY changed since, had this person been so boring to begin with, you would've never married him/her to begin with.

Whenever someone feels like they're in a "trap" and not in a relationship...it's time to seek help.

HELP.

Ridiculous or not...some people have no problem being faithful to a relationship, come hell or high water. Different strokes and all that.

But like I said...it's different now. You agree as well.

So back to the O.P. - BECAUSE it's different now...no need for an excessive celebration.

PurpleJedi said:

JustErin said:

What does "fight" even mean in a case like the one I mentioned? Try to change the person you married to someone that is better suited to you? Try to change yourself to someone you're not?

Like I said earlier, I strongly believe that people enter marriage with the best intentions, but these best intentions are often delusional and impractical. That vow of "for better or worse or good or bad" is totally ridiculous, imo.

If it works out, and everyone is happy - that's awesome. And don't get me wrong, I am all for working together with your partner to have a loving, productive relationship...but when it's wrong, it's wrong and a ring isn't going to somehow make it right.

Marriage is not a trap, nor should it ever be.

"Fight" as in...explore your feelings. Why do you feel this way? What changed? What can be changed? DO something about it. Try therapy. Counseling. Retreats.
By default...you've ALREADY changed since, had this person been so boring to begin with, you would've never married him/her to begin with.

Whenever someone feels like they're in a "trap" and not in a relationship...it's time to seek help.

HELP.

Ridiculous or not...some people have no problem being faithful to a relationship, come hell or high water. Different strokes and all that.

But like I said...it's different now. You agree as well.

So back to the O.P. - BECAUSE it's different now...no need for an excessive celebration.

Oh I dunno, we all know that many people tend to market themselves dishonestly in order to attract a mate. The old bait and switch is alive and well.

But let's say that's not it at all, I still go back to the delusional and unrealistic expectations that people have when it comes to marriage and all that it has traditionally stood for. Then reality hits and they don't want it...I don't think they should try and try and try for something they just do not want. 50% end in divorce because they have realized that they don't want to be in it - for whatever reason, and that's not something to be discouraged. Actually I think marriage should be discouraged until people have been in a serious relationship for several years...then maybe people would be were more honest and not so disillusioned going into it.

So yeah, it is different now. People are waking up.

And I don't see weddings being scaled down at all. It's just as excessive as ever, from everything I've seen.

JustErin said:

PurpleJedi said:

"Fight" as in...explore your feelings. Why do you feel this way? What changed? What can be changed? DO something about it. Try therapy. Counseling. Retreats.
By default...you've ALREADY changed since, had this person been so boring to begin with, you would've never married him/her to begin with.

Whenever someone feels like they're in a "trap" and not in a relationship...it's time to seek help.

HELP.

Ridiculous or not...some people have no problem being faithful to a relationship, come hell or high water. Different strokes and all that.

But like I said...it's different now. You agree as well.

So back to the O.P. - BECAUSE it's different now...no need for an excessive celebration.

Oh I dunno, we all know that many people tend to market themselves dishonestly in order to attract a mate. The old bait and switch is alive and well.

But let's say that's not it at all, I still go back to the delusional and unrealistic expectations that people have when it comes to marriage and all that it has traditionally stood for. Then reality hits and they don't want it...I don't think they should try and try and try for something they just do not want. 50% end in divorce because they have realized that they don't want to be in it - for whatever reason, and that's not something to be discouraged. Actually I think marriage should be discouraged until people have been in a serious relationship for several years...then maybe people would be were more honest and not so disillusioned going into it.

So yeah, it is different now. People are waking up.

And I don't see weddings being scaled down at all. It's just as excessive as ever, from everything I've seen.

Yeah...the old "bait & switch" is definitely alive and well.

And you are 1,000% correct about that^^^^ bolded part.

I think mid-thirties is a good time for people to get married nowadays. Once they've been around the block and don't have any more "discoveries" to make about themselves & are genuinely ready to settle down...and they've lived together for a while.

THEN maybe you can spend tens of thousands of dollars on a wedding.

Otherwise, just go to the justice of the peace. That way 5 years later when one of them has "woken up" and decides it's not what they wanted, they're not still paying for the damned reception.

I would love to attend a wedding. The only one I went to took place when I was around 6 years old. Sadly only people from school I DIDN'T keep in touch with are getting married (and none of my other friends are about to get married...)

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