Dancelot said:

yes, A leads to B leads to C leads to D an so on. but how is that relevant?fact is, Khan is not responsible, not more than Chekov who re-disovered him on Ceti Alpha, or the guy who contructed the USS Reliant the ship that went there. or Zefram Cochrane cause he made it possible in the first place by inventing warp drive. or Carol Marcus herself who built Genesis which caused the Klingons interest. and so on and on on and on on.

so since Khan did NOT kill David, Kirk is morally sound enuff not kill him for a crime he did/will not commit, more than let's say he would kill Checkov

and if he somehow would have found out what could happen in the future (through Spock Prime ) then there's an easier way than to kill anyone remotely connected. like well... not going to Ceti Alpha for example...?!?!? just a suggestion

[Edited 5/21/13 3:27am]

A, B, C, D & so on are relevant because cause & effect is relevant to Khan's existence regardless of the Timeline. Old Spock said to young Spock "I can't tell you certain things because of the Timeline"... It's basic Common sense. I'm not about to go back and Forth with you just because we don't agree.

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fine, cause it wouldbe moot anyway. IF Kirk knew that Carol had his kid (who could someday probably be killed by someone...) then for all we know he would not have left them alone for 20+ years anyway. so things would unfold completely different. happy family life, maybe a few more kids and so on

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kewlschool said:

there is a lack of substance in the underlining emotional texture of JJ's films

Yep.

And also a lack of plot logic under a gloss of great action flow.

I think the whole thing has been left wide open for whatever folks want to do with it in the future, either bring it back around to the more original stories or take it into a whole new direction. I just hope someone doesn't get a hold of if and weight it down with so much cannon that they end up crashing it into the ground. The fanbase is so wide and diverse, little things mean a lot to various segment of watchers, I like someone who keeps that in mind and does try to give a little to those various groups. Now personally, I'd like to see Nichelle make an appearance because she has never made an appearence in any of the other ST series even if it isn't as Uhura. I read a piece of fanbase fiction that had her as Uhura's grandmother, I'd love that, yet I know that some fans would have a hissy fit about it. Heck, I'd like to see all the remaining members make an appearence even if it's not as their original characters, just because it would be them touching it in some way.

I dont understand that if they went with a new time line why are they remaking Kahn to begin with. Why go to the effort of creating a whole new canon to only copy previous storylines.

News Kirk's upbringing is totally different than the OK so his reactions to things wouldn't play the same.

I dont know sounds like typical JJ shit.

This Spock is adorable!

Also did he know he was friends from the beginning because I was surprised when he said what he said towards the end. "Because you are my freind" Did that just dawn on him then?!?!? or did he just not say it earlier because it was not pertinent to a particular situation as of yet.

Silly Vulcans.

I can't speak to what's typical JJ style so I'm going to leave that one alone, maybe it is true, I can see that yeah this was kind of a cake walk in a way. It still was fun and it still makes me anticipate the possibilities. I could be 70 and still be hanging with this crew. Only problem are the actors, I don't see today's actors dealing with a single franchise for years/decades on end I think after ST XIII they'll call it quits, if they make it that far.

Like JJ or not, he will certainly do a better Star Wars then the last 3 that were spewed out.

Chancellor said:

babynoz said:

If they were gonna have new Spock consult with old Spock they should have done it with Spock alone having one of those Vulcan altered mind state thingys instead of having the whole bridge crew in on it. Did all of them actually see OS or just him?

Yep the whole Crew saw Old Spock when Young Spock called him and Put him on the Screen...You gotta see it, it's worth the ticket and Popcorn & Butter...

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I don't want to see Nimoy in Part 3. He was also in Part 1 & narrated the closing theme. I wanna see Nichelle Nichols come Fact to Face with Young Uhura....

That's what I thought...I wasn't sure I was remembering correctly.

It was well worth seeing...I had big fun,

violectrica said:

This Spock is adorable!

Also did he know he was friends from the beginning because I was surprised when he said what he said towards the end. "Because you are my freind" Did that just dawn on him then?!?!? or did he just not say it earlier because it was not pertinent to a particular situation as of yet.

Silly Vulcans.

Star Trek Part 3....Don't be Surprised if the Studio decides to Follow the Gay Movement here in America and have Spock DUMP Uhura and shack up with Captain Jim. We havent seen a Gay couple in Space yet. Star Trek or Star Wars is destined to do a First...

imago said:

**** BIGASS SPOILERS ****

I actually was not expecting him to be Khan at all, so that was a pleasant surprise.


It hit all the right marks, albeit clinically, in the beginning of the film. It was very 'finding Nemo' in it's formula at the beginning--make the audience care, so I give them kudos for that.

A few things that I wished Abrams would have addressed (albeit I understand why they didn't).

1. What happenned to the remaining vulcans after their home planet was destroyed in the previous film? How did they rebuild their civilization, and where? This would have been a fascinating storyline to approach. Spock mentions it in his all-too-heartfully conveyed explaination to Ahura and Kirk on the pod, but the problem with this is that if a person watches Into Darkness without the benefit of having seen the previous film, this would have been a tedius subtext thrown in with very little emotional impact.

2. We find out that Khan is 300 years old, and his very quickly narrated back-story is given to us by Khan himself, but this is done again via his narration when Abrams should have shown us--this disengages the audience members who are not sci-fi fans, nor fans of the genre. Show us.


3. The entire Klingon sequence could have been removed and still the scenerio of the Enterprise being stuck in Klingon territory would have increased the stakes. But why Khan would chose to hideout in Kronos is beyond me, since he was merely intersted in recovering his crew first.

4. Kirk and Spoke don't have enough of a friendship, nor is it shown in great detail in the movie, sufficient to make that final scene between the two of them the tear jerker it was meant to be. At the end of Wrath of Khan, the movie is heart-wrenching because the series established the strong bond between them--even Bone's reaction at the end of the movie shows this. But, in this movie, it feels Hollywood forced.

Things I liked:

1. Big ups to Zachery whats-his-face for making Spock so multi-dimensional that he becomes more interesting than Kirk. Leonard Nemoy explained many years ago that Spock is not an unfealing and unemotional being. That, indeed, Vulcans are not unfeeling and unemotional intrinsically--it's social conditioning that makes Spock who he is. The new Spock shows this very clearly, and in many places humerously.

2. Earth finally feels like a place that people live. The old movies never really conveyed this adequately in my opinion. This one has nightclubs, and backdrops, and the whole nine yards.

3. In in-atmosphere shots of the Enterprise are gorgeous.


Things that I didn't like

1. The sexual tension in this movie comes from a Vulcan and his all-too-girly girlfriend. Do we really need to get that rated G with it? Would it not hurt to have Kirk do, what he does best--tap booties? He taps two aliens in the beginning of this movie, but they are part of superfluous scens. Add a dangerous sex partner ala James Bond formula--This is James Kirk, you motherfuckers--not captain America.

2. The constant pre-reboot references. Just stop it already. Leonard Nemoy's scene was absolutely unecessary.

3. The end was......um....well, you'll just need to see it. Something was super rushed and off about it. They explained it through dialogue!!! WTF?


Overall, pretty good movie though. The first was better, but this was still good fun.

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[Edited 5/11/13 5:23am]

:yeahthis:

I thought it was average at best. Special effects, cinematography, even art direction were all above average but...whoever had a hand in writing this should have had at leaset ONE original thought. But NO... Let's use the second (only real classic of the series) movie to cherry pick from because we have a new young cast. Really? All the ideas of what could happen exploring our fucking Universe has been done? Really? Wait for cable!

Just watched it, loved it!!!!!!!!!! I still hate the look of the bridge (looks like they are in a department store). Funny how it is a new time line yet every one still has the same job as they did in the old time line.

[Edited 5/23/13 3:36am]

Since Captain Benjamin Sisko is a Prophet maybe they should work him into future storylines..

SUPRMAN said:

Chancellor said:

Star Trek: Into Darkness was Excellent....Great Action, Drama and the entire Crew got decent Film time. Kirk gave us tears this time around. Had Young Kirk known Young Evil Khan is going to Kill his Furture son young Kirk would have killed Young Khan instead of letting him sleep in that tank. Remember Old Spock didnt tell young Spock that Khan is going to Kill Young Kirk's ONLY child in the Future. The Director did a good job and didnt change the History of what happened with Khan. Like Spock said Khan was more Evil than the Devious & God-Like Alien "Q"......

I don't think we saw the same film. Future Spock could have told him but he's gonna let his best friend's son die. What a friend huh?

Why would Spock consult himself in front of the whole bridge? Why not go to the conference room off the bridge?

Why was Leonard Nimoy in this one at all?

Why not throw in Shatner too?!

No, he didn't technically change it, but we still don't see how Khan ended up on the planet where he was found later.

Throw in Shatner???? Yeah

Chancellor said:

Since Captain Benjamin Sisko is a Prophet maybe they should work him into future storylines..

They should make a movie dealing with Sisko return and have a total cross over with Star trek the next generation, DS9, and Voyager.

kpowers said:

They should make a movie dealing with Sisko return and have a total cross over with Star trek the next generation, DS9, and Voyager.

Wow...You really want to see all of them in ONE film? Since The Next Generation got MORE than their fair share of Movies I think Captain Sisko & his crew should get a Movie...I will admit one thing about Deep Space 9. It was the kind of "Boring" that I liked but the kind of "Boring" a lot of Treky's didnt prefer...I mean half the time they looked they was Flying in a Min-Van instead of a Serious Ship. Always putting a Brotha in the Clunkers while everybody get to ride in Fucking Limos...LOL.....How long did it take for them to Make the Brotha a Captain? What 5 years?...LOL...After all of that Deep Space 9 needs a Movie and they have to throw in Voyager to make it worth watching...

kpowers said:

SUPRMAN said:

I don't think we saw the same film. Future Spock could have told him but he's gonna let his best friend's son die. What a friend huh?

Why would Spock consult himself in front of the whole bridge? Why not go to the conference room off the bridge?

Why was Leonard Nimoy in this one at all?

Why not throw in Shatner too?!

No, he didn't technically change it, but we still don't see how Khan ended up on the planet where he was found later.

Throw in Shatner???? Yeah

Throw in Shatner?...Well I guess so...I like James but he did die...Do we really wanna bring him back to talk with Young Jimbo? Both of'em Fucked a whole lot of Chicks in both Timelines...

Chancellor said:

kpowers said:

They should make a movie dealing with Sisko return and have a total cross over with Star trek the next generation, DS9, and Voyager.

Wow...You really want to see all of them in ONE film? Since The Next Generation got MORE than their fair share of Movies I think Captain Sisko & his crew should get a Movie...I will admit one thing about Deep Space 9. It was the kind of "Boring" that I liked but the kind of "Boring" a lot of Treky's didnt prefer...I mean half the time they looked they was Flying in a Min-Van instead of a Serious Ship. Always putting a Brotha in the Clunkers while everybody get to ride in Fucking Limos...LOL.....How long did it take for them to Make the Brotha a Captain? What 5 years?...LOL...After all of that Deep Space 9 needs a Movie and they have to throw in Voyager to make it worth watching...

Yeah why not Voyager and Enterprise could travel to DS9, but not all in one movie. Maybe 3-5 movies. Hey the Defiant on DS9 was no mini-van, they were built to destroy borg ships.