nursev said:

I love 2009's Star Trek and im gonna see into Darkness just for that reason-yes i've been a secret Trekkie for awhile now

Aha! A confession.

I had big fun although the idea of Spock and Uhura still weirds me out a bit especially since in TOS it was at least implied that she and Kirk may have had a little something going. Still, it was good to see her do something other than murmur "captain, I'm frightened",

Somebody oughta give Zoe Saldana a two piece with a biscuit once in awhile though.

I thought the story was well told even if there were a few too many throwback references included, (mainly from Bones). The actors all did very well and I still can't believe how good Zachary Quinto is playing Spock, which to me is the most difficult character to nail.

The visuals were great, my favorite is when the Enterprise is crashing to earth...stunning,

The Klingons were under utilized. I was expecting to see at least one Bird of Prey since we're talking impending war here. And I wish they would make up their minds once and for all what Klingons actually look like.

I thought the scene with Leonard Nimoy could have been done better also, but all things considered it's still a worthwhile addition to the Star Trek saga.

noimageatall said:

I loved the technology. The warp core set was real!! I watched the documentary and it was so fascinating! And btw, I'm in love with Karl Urban!!






I first fell in love with him when he was leading the Riders Of Rohan in LOTR...Legolas is still my favorite though,

Dancelot said:

goddam what was that?


shit...


so I'm still deeply in the process of making my mind up on what to think about this..

being a long time trek nerd since early 70ees, I REALLY REALLY loved the reboot 3 years ago. and technically the new one isn't so much different, but still... this time something was just not right.. I think?!

maybe after watching a few more times I'll know better...

The first one wasn't right either. I'll never see this new attrocity, but the last one was a watered-down, plot hole ridden, no sense makin', piece of crap action movie so overflowing with bad cliches that it takes longer to write about them than they're worth. In short, it wasn't Star Trek, and it was an insult to call it such. This new pile goes far beyond insult. I mean, give me a break! They re-wrote Khan? Why? That's the feeling you're trying to suss out. Why. And there simply is no reason.

For fuck's sake! It doesn't have a COLON! Which makes it about the cheesiest movie title, well, EVER! Star Trek Into Darkness. Trek Into Darkness. Get it? FUCK!

babynoz said:

nursev said:

I love 2009's Star Trek and im gonna see into Darkness just for that reason-yes i've been a secret Trekkie for awhile now

Aha! A confession.

I had big fun although the idea of Spock and Uhura still weirds me out a bit especially since in TOS it was at least implied that she and Kirk may have had a little something going. Still, it was good to see her do something other than murmur "captain, I'm frightened",

Somebody oughta give Zoe Saldana a two piece with a biscuit once in awhile though.

I thought the story was well told even if there were a few too many throwback references included, (mainly from Bones). The actors all did very well and I still can't believe how good Zachary Quinto is playing Spock, which to me is the most difficult character to nail.

The visuals were great, my favorite is when the Enterprise is crashing to earth...stunning,

The Klingons were under utilized. I was expecting to see at least one Bird of Prey since we're talking impending war here. And I wish they would make up their minds once and for all what Klingons actually look like.

I thought the scene with Leonard Nimoy could have been done better also, but all things considered it's still a worthwhile addition to the Star Trek saga.

Uhura had curves! And Zachary is amazing!!!!!

Star Trek: Into Darkness was Excellent....Great Action, Drama and the entire Crew got decent Film time. Kirk gave us tears this time around. Had Young Kirk known Young Evil Khan is going to Kill his Furture son young Kirk would have killed Young Khan instead of letting him sleep in that tank. Remember Old Spock didnt tell young Spock that Khan is going to Kill Young Kirk's ONLY child in the Future. The Director did a good job and didnt change the History of what happened with Khan. Like Spock said Khan was more Evil than the Devious & God-Like Alien "Q"......

Just heard Star Trek took in $81 Million. The Studio thought they'd take $100 million of our money. They did release the Film last Wednesday vs a nornal Friday release. The Studio should understand that People LOVE Star Trek but it Ain't The Matrix or Iron Man....It's a different kind of baby.

Dancelot said:

Chancellor said:

Chancellor said:

Star Trek: Into Darkness was Excellent....Great Action, Drama and the entire Crew got decent Film time. Kirk gave us tears this time around. Had Young Kirk known Young Evil Khan is going to Kill his Furture son young Kirk would have killed Young Khan instead of letting him sleep in that tank. Remember Old Spock didnt tell young Spock that Khan is going to Kill Young Kirk's ONLY child in the Future. The Director did a good job and didnt change the History of what happened with Khan. Like Spock said Khan was more Evil than the Devious & God-Like Alien "Q"......

In this time line we dont even know if Kirk has a son, and throw in the prime directive its best that OS keep his mouth shut.

lazycrockett said:

Chancellor said:

Star Trek: Into Darkness was Excellent....Great Action, Drama and the entire Crew got decent Film time. Kirk gave us tears this time around. Had Young Kirk known Young Evil Khan is going to Kill his Furture son young Kirk would have killed Young Khan instead of letting him sleep in that tank. Remember Old Spock didnt tell young Spock that Khan is going to Kill Young Kirk's ONLY child in the Future. The Director did a good job and didnt change the History of what happened with Khan. Like Spock said Khan was more Evil than the Devious & God-Like Alien "Q"......

In this time line we dont even know if Kirk has a son, and throw in the prime directive its best that OS keep his mouth shut.

If they were gonna have new Spock consult with old Spock they should have done it with Spock alone having one of those Vulcan altered mind state thingys instead of having the whole bridge crew in on it. Did all of them actually see OS or just him?

lazycrockett said:

Chancellor said:

Star Trek: Into Darkness was Excellent....Great Action, Drama and the entire Crew got decent Film time. Kirk gave us tears this time around. Had Young Kirk known Young Evil Khan is going to Kill his Furture son young Kirk would have killed Young Khan instead of letting him sleep in that tank. Remember Old Spock didnt tell young Spock that Khan is going to Kill Young Kirk's ONLY child in the Future. The Director did a good job and didnt change the History of what happened with Khan. Like Spock said Khan was more Evil than the Devious & God-Like Alien "Q"......

In this time line we dont even know if Kirk has a son, and throw in the prime directive its best that OS keep his mouth shut.

Carol Marcus

Cerebus said:

Dancelot said:

goddam what was that?


shit...


so I'm still deeply in the process of making my mind up on what to think about this..

being a long time trek nerd since early 70ees, I REALLY REALLY loved the reboot 3 years ago. and technically the new one isn't so much different, but still... this time something was just not right.. I think?!

maybe after watching a few more times I'll know better...

The first one wasn't right either. I'll never see this new attrocity, but the last one was a watered-down, plot hole ridden, no sense makin', piece of crap action movie so overflowing with bad cliches that it takes longer to write about them than they're worth. In short, it wasn't Star Trek, and it was an insult to call it such. This new pile goes far beyond insult. I mean, give me a break! They re-wrote Khan? Why? That's the feeling you're trying to suss out. Why. And there simply is no reason.

Wish I'd skipped it.

Chancellor said:

Star Trek: Into Darkness was Excellent....Great Action, Drama and the entire Crew got decent Film time. Kirk gave us tears this time around. Had Young Kirk known Young Evil Khan is going to Kill his Furture son young Kirk would have killed Young Khan instead of letting him sleep in that tank. Remember Old Spock didnt tell young Spock that Khan is going to Kill Young Kirk's ONLY child in the Future. The Director did a good job and didnt change the History of what happened with Khan. Like Spock said Khan was more Evil than the Devious & God-Like Alien "Q"......

I don't think we saw the same film. Future Spock could have told him but he's gonna let his best friend's son die. What a friend huh?

Why would Spock consult himself in front of the whole bridge? Why not go to the conference room off the bridge?

Why was Leonard Nimoy in this one at all?

Why not throw in Shatner too?!

No, he didn't technically change it, but we still don't see how Khan ended up on the planet where he was found later.

lazycrockett said:

Chancellor said:

Star Trek: Into Darkness was Excellent....Great Action, Drama and the entire Crew got decent Film time. Kirk gave us tears this time around. Had Young Kirk known Young Evil Khan is going to Kill his Furture son young Kirk would have killed Young Khan instead of letting him sleep in that tank. Remember Old Spock didnt tell young Spock that Khan is going to Kill Young Kirk's ONLY child in the Future. The Director did a good job and didnt change the History of what happened with Khan. Like Spock said Khan was more Evil than the Devious & God-Like Alien "Q"......

In this time line we dont even know if Kirk has a son, and throw in the prime directive its best that OS keep his mouth shut.

That doesn't make sense. Why bother with setting up a prequel?

Original Spock should not have been in this movie at all. More Abrams laziness.

SUPRMAN said:

lazycrockett said:

In this time line we dont even know if Kirk has a son, and throw in the prime directive its best that OS keep his mouth shut.

That doesn't make sense. Why bother with setting up a prequel?

Original Spock should not have been in this movie at all. More Abrams laziness.

Well I havent seen the movie yet and probably will wait till its on cable. All Im was saying is that since this reboot is taking place in an alternative timeline than the original, We nor Spock knows if Kirk has a kid. Granted I didn't know that Dr. Marcus was in this one, so I can see why Spock would say something, but then again the prime directive comes into place. From what Ive gathered NS goes to starfleet after NK saves his ass by going against the PD.

But I agree I dont think OS should have been in either of them.

lazycrockett said:

SUPRMAN said:

That doesn't make sense. Why bother with setting up a prequel?

Original Spock should not have been in this movie at all. More Abrams laziness.

Well I havent seen the movie yet and probably will wait till its on cable. All Im was saying is that since this reboot is taking place in an alternative timeline than the original, We nor Spock knows if Kirk has a kid. Granted I didn't know that Dr. Marcus was in this one, so I can see why Spock would say something, but then again the prime directive comes into place. From what Ive gathered NS goes to starfleet after NK saves his ass by going against the PD.

But I agree I dont think OS should have been in either of them.

Spock is violating the Prime Directive (both younger who initiates it, and older, who responds), the Prime Directive is not in play, it has been set aside.

Dr. Marcus did not have to be in this one, she is in this one because she's in Star Trek II: Wrath of Khan. Abrams is just being lazy throughout with leaves you with no logic.

They didn't NEED Khan to bring Kirk back to life, the had 72 like him on board. Presumably whatever's in their blood is the same as in Khan's.

Spoiler alert:

When Khan crashes into SF with a ship-wouldn't there be something in place to stop a ship from crashing into cities. (Like a military force that springs into action.) It's not like they don't see it from space with their advance technology.

I thought it was enjoyable movie, but there is a lack of substance in the underlining emotional texture of JJ's films

SUPRMAN said:

morningsong said:

SUPRMAN said:

Spock is violating the Prime Directive (both younger who initiates it, and older, who responds), the Prime Directive is not in play, it has been set aside.

Dr. Marcus did not have to be in this one, she is in this one because she's in Star Trek II: Wrath of Khan. Abrams is just being lazy throughout with leaves you with no logic.

They didn't NEED Khan to bring Kirk back to life, the had 72 like him on board. Presumably whatever's in their blood is the same as in Khan's.

Would blood circulate when one is in stasis? I assumed it would be a lot like being frozen so they'd have to thaw out another person to get their blood. That was the conclusion I came too. The whole Tribble coming to life was completely hokie I'll admit that.

Of course they had time to thaw someone out. Look at home long it took the 'dead' tribble to come to life again. Kirk wasn't going to start decomposing. Chill Kirk while the other guys thaws.

SUPRMAN said:

babynoz said:

If they were gonna have new Spock consult with old Spock they should have done it with Spock alone having one of those Vulcan altered mind state thingys instead of having the whole bridge crew in on it. Did all of them actually see OS or just him?

Yep the whole Crew saw Old Spock when Young Spock called him and Put him on the Screen...You gotta see it, it's worth the ticket and Popcorn & Butter...

************************************************************************

I don't want to see Nimoy in Part 3. He was also in Part 1 & narrated the closing theme. I wanna see Nichelle Nichols come Fact to Face with Young Uhura....

SUPRMAN said:

Spock is violating the Prime Directive (both younger who initiates it, and older, who responds), the Prime Directive is not in play, it has been set aside.

Dr. Marcus did not have to be in this one, she is in this one because she's in Star Trek II: Wrath of Khan. Abrams is just being lazy throughout with leaves you with no logic.

They didn't NEED Khan to bring Kirk back to life, the had 72 like him on board. Presumably whatever's in their blood is the same as in Khan's.

Think about it..Khan and his people have Super-Human Strength and were the Original Warriors in the Galaxy. His people were asleep in those pods..Why risk waking up another Strong Crazy Fool when you can capture Khan and take his blood...They did the thing that made the most sense.

oh hey, this thread finally got it's feet of the ground after being on life support for a while I just learned that the US premiere was a week later, so that explains it

however, am I missing something here?? Khan DID NOT kill Kirks son or let him die, he was already dead himself then. it was that KLINGON CAPTAIN (the one with the Flux capaciter )

however, as others have said, we do not know IF Kirk and Marcus will have a son at all IN THIS ALTERNATE TIMELINE.
in this timeline even whole planetes (Vulcan) don't exist anymore, so how should we know about which PERSONS exist or will exist?

the whole point of the reboot and Star Trek 11 was to FREE this timeline of the classic and overblown canon, so they are nowhere bound by events or persons that happened AFTER THE KELVIN INCIDENT.
and that twist was a clever move, I admit

so no need for Kirk to have a son at all, or Kahn & his crew to get to Ceti Alpha 4 for some future movie. this is NOT not just retelling the old stories with more action and CGI, it's a whole different universe now, where the screenwriters could boldly go where no man has gone before. BUT they thought it was necessary to copy & paste from the past.... meeehhhh

SUPRMAN said:

lazycrockett said:

In this time line we dont even know if Kirk has a son, and throw in the prime directive its best that OS keep his mouth shut.

That doesn't make sense. Why bother with setting up a prequel?

Original Spock should not have been in this movie at all. More Abrams laziness.

that's the point, it was NOT a prequel, neither this film nor the last one.

they started a new timeline free of the canon and can tell any story they want


i still consider it canonical, like any other episode where the messed with the timeline or parallel / multi-univeres. this is no less canon than let's say the mirror universe episodes

[Edited 5/21/13 1:36am]

Chancellor said:

Remember Old Spock didnt tell young Spock that Khan is going to Kill Young Kirk's ONLY child in the Future.

that's because he didn't

The Director did a good job and didnt change the History of what happened with Khan.

what? everthing was changed. Khan is suppsed to be found sleeping on the Botany Bay, his crew will be woken up and in the end they all should end up in exile on on Ceti Alpha. and then some years even decades later the Warth Of Khan will kick in...

but instead now they sleep again in some torpedos. but that is irrelveant, again, this is an alternate timeline and it is HIGHLY unklikley 1:99999999999999999999 that this woud lead to the events of Wrath Of Khan

The Death of Kirk's son resulted from Khan's Wrath.. Did Khan Physically Kill Kirk's son? No, but the events of Khan's Terror is what led up to the Murder.....Old Spock said Khan's terrorist Acts led to terrible things and the Death of kirk's son was one of them.....Common sense tells you had their been No Khan Kirk's son would still be alive. Everything would have played out differently.

[Edited 5/21/13 2:31am]

Chancellor said:

The Death of Kirk's son resulted from Khan's Wrath.. Did Khan Physically Kill Kirk's son? No, but the events of Khan's Terror is what led up to the Murder.....Old Spock said Khan's terrorist Acts led to terrible things and the Death of kirk's son was one of them.....Common sense tells you had their been No Khan Kirk's son would still be alive. Everything would have played out differently.

[Edited 5/21/13 2:31am]

yes, A leads to B leads to C leads to D an so on. but how is that relevant? fact is, Khan is not responsible, not more than Chekov who re-disovered him on Ceti Alpha, or the guy who contructed the USS Reliant the ship that went there. or Zefram Cochrane cause he made it possible in the first place by inventing warp drive. or Carol Marcus herself who built Genesis which caused the Klingons interest. and so on and on on and on on.

so since Khan did NOT kill David, Kirk is morally sound enuff not kill him for a crime he did/will not commit, more than let's say he would kill Checkov

and if he somehow would have found out what could happen in the future (through Spock Prime ) then there's an easier way than to kill anyone remotely connected. like well... not going to Ceti Alpha for example...?!?!? just a suggestion

[Edited 5/21/13 3:27am]