morningsong said:

purplethunder3121 said:

Have you thought about juicing raw vegetables to replace regular meals (some of them on a permanent basis)? I don't believe in starving one's self to death. I cut out all junk foods and most prepared foods about three to four years ago. Without fasting, dieting, etc. It is really amazing on what little one can live on to actually live and be healthy. But long term fasting is not the answer for permanent weight loss and being healthy. Occasional fasting is fine... But, especially when you get older and if you suffer from health problems such as high blood pressure or diabeties, you can't keep up long term fasting and remain healthy. The health benefits from occasional fasting and reduced calorie load can backfire on you. The change has to be a lifestyle one--there is no substitute for eating healthy small meals every day and getting enough exercise. It is pure science, you have to input enough healthy calories (enegy input) every day to keep the body functioning and burn them off in a healthy way (energy output).

I wouldn't consider going a couple days hunger starving myself, people have been doing it for millenia and the human race has survived pretty well intact. One thing it is, is free, I don't need any special equipment or supplies, I don't need to go anywhere special, I don't need to make a lot of effort at all. Which is one of the problems I'd have with juicing right now, I'd have to go out and buy something, and have it be of quality. Let alone the time of prepartation and clean up 7 days a week. I would need to always have a decent supply of fresh fruits and vegetables on hand everyday. It would be fun a couple of times but I see that becoming tedious in a couple of weeks, consistancy is a major issue with anything.

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Another problem I have is the amount of fruits and veggies to make a serving a juice. I know it takes about 5 to 7 oranges to make 8oz of orange juice, that is far too many fruit calories for someone of 5'2" to 5'3" to consume in a day, unless they are a complete vegetarian, I have no interest in rearranging my lifestyle, I'm omnivorious and I plan on staying that way. Even using a excellent juicer (and here we go at spending money) you're still consuming a lot of calories in one sitting, that's fine for people who really don't like to eat, but that's not me. Eating an orange or carrot or a serving of spinach works far better for me than drinking it. I like vegetables, fixed properly I have no problem eating them.

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Heck a half head of Romaine is only 53 calories, add a mix of other vegetables, a little dressing you may get close to 150 calories or slightly over, that's one meal on a fasting day, eating that would be far more satisfying than drinking it. The cereal I eat everyday is 120 calories per serving, almond milk 1/2 cup is 20 calories, that still leaves it 210/310 calories to spread for the rest of the day a couple of times a week, which I make up with cheese, nuts, fruit, it's not filling but it's not absolutely starving either. The rest of the week is just normal.

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As far as the big chronic diseases go, I don't suffer from any yet, but I'm a good candidate for them so I'm taking it seriously.

I personally don't juice--but I know people who do and it is easier for them. I eat two to three meals a day--I don't weigh or measure. I am an omnivore like you--I like meat--but I just eat a lot less. I don't weigh myself but I have lost a lot of weight just by giving up a lot of junk and preparing my own meals, as well as saving money. Again, it is surprising how little it takes to eat and be healthy. This society just simply eats way too much in the U.S. for it's own good.

OK. 5 kilograms of weight loss now. (that's 13 pounds?)

I've incorporated more juices into the mix in order up my calory intake. I'ts VERY difficult to eat more food when I just don't feel hungry.

My strengthis going up, and my runs are getting better.

I'm starting to think that this is something I could probably do longterm, but still think the verdict is out on that. Either way, the gains in the gym, and the fact that my waste size is going down so quickly is nice. But, the best part is that my chest is getting bigger. I have been obsessed with having musicle mass since I was in my 20s.


I don't think this is going to work once I transition into raw-veganism though. It would be impossible to get enough calories--and trust me, I need to lose weight, but not like that.

A few things.

1. My skin looks great because of all the water I'm drinking.

2. My mood is elevated. I think maybe this is linked to stabalized insulin levels?

3. This is far, far easier than doing 6 meals a day. But for those wanting to get the same results as a water fast, this doesn't even come close. It's not really a 'cleansing' thing at all. From what I can tell, it seems like a calory restriction scheme and a way to increase insulin resistance and boost testosterone levels. I'll comit to 2 more months of this and see the results. So far, I like what I'm seeing.

4. My knees ache from running. I think my age is catching up to me. I feel more exhilerated and my stamina is up--but my knees are telling hell to the naw.

5 kilos!

I have found my favorite youtube personality currently thanks to looking IF.


I .... LOVE.....THIS....MAN

purplethunder3121 said:

ZombieKitten said:

If you do juice, use vegies: celery, cucumber, kale, parsley, ginger, lime and green apple for a little sweetness. Not 8 oranges that's way too many calories

For several years I did weekly 24-hour water fasts, and one annual week-long water fast. Over time, I learned how to reduce detox symptoms experienced during days 3-5 (drink often and *before* feeling hungry; limit TV to avoid being bombarded by fast food commercials). Water fasting can be powerfully detoxifying, which allows physical healing processes to accelerate, and aids in repair and restoration.

Personally I find fasting on water has great therapeutic value, though I don’t think I’d recommend it to someone if they were not comfortable with the idea. I did my own research, informed partially though some trial and error, and built up to it. When I became conditioned to the process, and really mindful about staying properly hydrated, days 6 and 7 started to feel like a stroll in the park with no weakness or hunger pangs (actually a sign of thirst), and I could go to the gym. Sometimes, the greatest discomfort I experienced was psychological, withdrawing from the comfort, routine, and even addictiveness of certain foods. (Dreams of being locked in a supermarket candy aisle overnight. That kind of crazy s***.)

I’ve never done juicing but I have been wanting to try it. So if anyone here is planning to do one this summer, send me a note because I might be interested in participating for 3 to 5 days.

[Edited 5/7/13 22:01pm]

morningsong said:

ZombieKitten said:

If you do juice, use vegies: celery, cucumber, kale, parsley, ginger, lime and green apple for a little sweetness. Not 8 oranges that's way too many calories

Yeah but that still requires a good amount of veggies to get a decent amount of juice. Technically, I'm on a 2fruit, 3veggie program, even a 3/4 (serving size) if I need, not much juice is coming out of that, none satisfying anyway.

That's true - I took a photo of how much vegies went into one juice.

I couldn't bear to throw out the pulp so I made a soup out of it

I calculated the juice would be about 200 calories

ZombieKitten said:

morningsong said:

ZombieKitten said: Yeah but that still requires a good amount of veggies to get a decent amount of juice. Technically, I'm on a 2fruit, 3veggie program, even a 3/4 (serving size) if I need, not much juice is coming out of that, none satisfying anyway.

That's true - I took a photo of how much vegies went into one juice.

I couldn't bear to throw out the pulp so I made a soup out of it

I calculated the juice would be about 200 calories

This would be excellent for people who gag, have conniption fits and nearly fall out on the floor about eating vegetables, for me the bowl with a little rice vinegar dressing is far more appealing, I like vegetables. And you brought up another thing I wasn't sure about and I didn't mention, the loss of fiber, it just seems like a lot of extra work when all you got to do is just eat it and be done with it.

morningsong said:

ZombieKitten said:

morningsong said:

This would be excellent for people who gag, have conniption fits and nearly fall out on the floor about eating vegetables, for me the bowl with a little rice vinegar dressing is far more appealing, I like vegetables. And you brought up another thing I wasn't sure about and I didn't mention, the loss of fiber, it just seems like a lot of extra work when all you got to do is just eat it and be done with it.

Yup. The soup was brilliant though - very low calorie and filling

If there was only one way to enjoy things it would be a sad world. I just don't see me putting a whole lot of effort into the juicing thing right now. The IF seems to be working for me so far, I think it forces me to focus on portion control and salt intact, major problems of mine. At the seminar on my job the speaker suggested Himalayan salt.

PurpleJedi said:

XxAxX said:

^ i've read that so-called primitive humans regularly fasted between searches for food, and our metabolism works best when we fast now and then

"primitive" as in pre-McDonalds?

I thought I was the only one who saw that PBS doc!

Like everyone here, I want to do it and the suggestions here are really helpful!

Thanks!

The only draw back I've noticed so far is that I get very hungry on my fasting days (no duh!) gnaw somebody's arm off hungry by the end of the day, even with the 3 little meals (snacks), I'm fine for an hour then hungry again. Everything else seems fine, and I mean Ev.er.y.thing . One more week in my 5 weeks and I'll see about taking a break maybe, for a month and just stick with averaging 1500 calories per day. I can say the day after the fast I don't have a desire to over indulge, maybe I eat a little more cereal then I'm fine.

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I do want to note that when I was going the the Sharp Healthplan 12 wk (liquid fasting) program, they took a vile of blood every week to check liver function, seems that sudden long term crash diets can lead to liver problems I'm not sure with the exacts I just know it was enough of an issue that the health program was very insistant about the weekly medical check ups. So folks should know what's going on with their bodies before just jumping in.

morningsong said:

The only draw back I've noticed so far is that I get very hungry on my fasting days

feeling hunger during a fast is usually a sign of thirst. Try increasing your water intake by about 50% and see if it helps. And don't wait until you start feeling hungry to hydrate. When fasting I drink water at regular intervals--about every 3 hours--throughout the day, at times when I'm feeling physically fine. If I am timing my water intake well, I can go an entire day without food and not feel hungry at all.

Bluu said:

morningsong said:

The only draw back I've noticed so far is that I get very hungry on my fasting days

feeling hunger during a fast is usually a sign of thirst. Try increasing your water intake by about 50% and see if it helps. And don't wait until you start feeling hungry to hydrate. When fasting I drink water at regular intervals--about every 3 hours--throughout the day, at times when I'm feeling physically fine. If I am timing my water intake well, I can go an entire day without food and not feel hungry at all.

I'll take that into consideration. Getting enough fluids is a longtime issue with me, but I'm working on it, some days are more difficult than others for some reason. Plus, I think I'm not going to spread out the meals on fasting days or at least save the first one to later in the day, I don't get as hungry in the mornings.

Bluu said:

morningsong said:

The only draw back I've noticed so far is that I get very hungry on my fasting days

feeling hunger during a fast is usually a sign of thirst. Try increasing your water intake by about 50% and see if it helps. And don't wait until you start feeling hungry to hydrate. When fasting I drink water at regular intervals--about every 3 hours--throughout the day, at times when I'm feeling physically fine. If I am timing my water intake well, I can go an entire day without food and not feel hungry at all.

Thank You!

Working on my first 24 hour fast and I want to eat anything. Maybe I should have started with the reduced calorie angle...

Gonna go drink more water...

morningsong said:

Well 8lbs. lost in nearly 5 weeks, not great but not too bad. Need to get a blood test for the rest of it.

will be interesting to hear.

you probably already posted it further up in the thread, but what was your starting weight and what is your goal weight?

ZombieKitten said:

morningsong said:

ZombieKitten said:

morningsong said:

Never said. Doctors have told me I'm suppose to weigh 114lbs based on my height. I took one of those biometric weight testing a while back from Sharp again and was told my true ideal weight is 135 with a healthy range to 154, so 145 would be sensible, got a little ways to yet.

I was 135 seven years ago, beginning of this year I was 165 and I'm 159 now. I should be at my goal weight of 145 by January at this rate. I'm frustrated at how slow it is, but part of the reason is that I have some muscle now, so I go by measurements and total loss from busy/waist/hips is 7" which I'm very happy about

You're dedicated and motivated.You'll get there.

You can shed a few lbs just walking around the Zoo all day.

iaminparties said:

ZombieKitten said:

iaminparties said:

You're dedicated and motivated.You'll get there.

You can shed a few lbs just walking around the Zoo all day.

I cooked for about 2 hours today making soup, fried rice for kids, my meals for the week and a couple of banana/date/peanut butter cakes. That burned about 250 calories!

I burned calories at my friends house recently by just standing in the kitchen watching him cook,it was hot as shit.

imago said:

OK. 5 kilograms of weight loss now. (that's 13 pounds?)

I've incorporated more juices into the mix in order up my calory intake. I'ts VERY difficult to eat more food when I just don't feel hungry.

My strengthis going up, and my runs are getting better.

I'm starting to think that this is something I could probably do longterm, but still think the verdict is out on that. Either way, the gains in the gym, and the fact that my waste size is going down so quickly is nice. But, the best part is that my chest is getting bigger. I have been obsessed with having musicle mass since I was in my 20s.


I don't think this is going to work once I transition into raw-veganism though. It would be impossible to get enough calories--and trust me, I need to lose weight, but not like that.

A few things.

1. My skin looks great because of all the water I'm drinking.

2. My mood is elevated. I think maybe this is linked to stabalized insulin levels?

3. This is far, far easier than doing 6 meals a day. But for those wanting to get the same results as a water fast, this doesn't even come close. It's not really a 'cleansing' thing at all. From what I can tell, it seems like a calory restriction scheme and a way to increase insulin resistance and boost testosterone levels. I'll comit to 2 more months of this and see the results. So far, I like what I'm seeing.

4. My knees ache from running. I think my age is catching up to me. I feel more exhilerated and my stamina is up--but my knees are telling hell to the naw.

5 kilos!

7 Kilograms or 15.5 pounds now.

Start date: 21 April

Current: 15 May

So, that's 15 pounds in 25 days (actually 6 pounds more than I wanted to shed in this amount of time, but that's ok).

A few things:

1. This is easier than other methods, IF YOU GO TO THE GYM. It is far, far, faaaarrrr easier to do meal planning on IF than it is on the 6 meal method.

2. Energy throughout the day has now increased and remains stable. The 2 hours prior to breaking the fast are somethings difficult if you don't have anything to do, because you automatically want to fill that empty time with eating or dining some place. So, it helps to be busy.

3. Muscle gain/definition is phenomenal. I honestly think if I keep at it, that I'll finally have the nearly the chest and shoulders I've always wanted.

4. I've dropped two inches off the waste, so I can now wear new pants at a smaller size.

5. Finally, my mood is elevated. Aside from the obvious things that happen when you get in shape, such as increased self-confidence and more optimism, I'm more alert. Albiet, I was felt this way and a bit better when I was a Raw vegan (and raw vegans craze all day).

Overally, I'm happy. I will pursue this for another 35 days at which point I'll probably keep this up to some capacity over the rest of the year.

imago said:

imago said:

OK. 5 kilograms of weight loss now. (that's 13 pounds?)

I've incorporated more juices into the mix in order up my calory intake. I'ts VERY difficult to eat more food when I just don't feel hungry.

My strengthis going up, and my runs are getting better.

I'm starting to think that this is something I could probably do longterm, but still think the verdict is out on that. Either way, the gains in the gym, and the fact that my waste size is going down so quickly is nice. But, the best part is that my chest is getting bigger. I have been obsessed with having musicle mass since I was in my 20s.


I don't think this is going to work once I transition into raw-veganism though. It would be impossible to get enough calories--and trust me, I need to lose weight, but not like that.

A few things.

1. My skin looks great because of all the water I'm drinking.

2. My mood is elevated. I think maybe this is linked to stabalized insulin levels?

3. This is far, far easier than doing 6 meals a day. But for those wanting to get the same results as a water fast, this doesn't even come close. It's not really a 'cleansing' thing at all. From what I can tell, it seems like a calory restriction scheme and a way to increase insulin resistance and boost testosterone levels. I'll comit to 2 more months of this and see the results. So far, I like what I'm seeing.

4. My knees ache from running. I think my age is catching up to me. I feel more exhilerated and my stamina is up--but my knees are telling hell to the naw.

5 kilos!

7 Kilograms or 15.5 pounds now.

Start date: 21 April

Current: 15 May

So, that's 15 pounds in 25 days (actually 6 pounds more than I wanted to shed in this amount of time, but that's ok).

A few things:

1. This is easier than other methods, IF YOU GO TO THE GYM. It is far, far, faaaarrrr easier to do meal planning on IF than it is on the 6 meal method.

2. Energy throughout the day has now increased and remains stable. The 2 hours prior to breaking the fast are somethings difficult if you don't have anything to do, because you automatically want to fill that empty time with eating or dining some place. So, it helps to be busy.

3. Muscle gain/definition is phenomenal. I honestly think if I keep at it, that I'll finally have the nearly the chest and shoulders I've always wanted.

4. I've dropped two inches off the waste, so I can now wear new pants at a smaller size.

5. Finally, my mood is elevated. Aside from the obvious things that happen when you get in shape, such as increased self-confidence and more optimism, I'm more alert. Albiet, I was felt this way and a bit better when I was a Raw vegan (and raw vegans craze all day).

Overally, I'm happy. I will pursue this for another 35 days at which point I'll probably keep this up to some capacity over the rest of the year.

But.... how do your balls look?

ZombieKitten said:

iaminparties said:

You're dedicated and motivated.You'll get there.

You can shed a few lbs just walking around the Zoo all day.

I cooked for about 2 hours today making soup, fried rice for kids, my meals for the week and a couple of banana/date/peanut butter cakes. That burned about 250 calories!

I don't think one can shed pound walking around a zoo in a day, but I know the zoo here one could burn a whole lot of calories walking around it, up and down those steep hills, they're killer. I wonder how many calories it would burn to walk between missions, though I don't think it's possible to do that anymore with all the development that's taken place but I'd imagine one could burn a pound or two doing that.

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ZK, you count every calorie burnt per task? I use to have to chart that, I just can't now.

morningsong said:

8 kilograms lost so far on IF.

( week 6 ).


I bought two pairs of shorts that were I couldn't fit into on the first week (on purpose), since I don't trust the scale too much.

By week 3 I could fit into the pants though they were quite tight.

Now in week 6, the pants are no longer tight. They're a good fit.

By week 8 or 9, I'm expecting them to be slightly loose.

My muscles are starting to show more nicely.

Overall, I'm quite happy with the results, and look forward to continuing.
I won't say that it's more dramatic than the 6-meal a day regimine yet, but

I will say it's a lot easier.