JustErin said:

Beautifulstarr123 said:

Ok, granted, and the media does play an hand in this as well, though your focus was mainly on the parents.

At the end of the day the minute you decide to become a parent you have literally accepted a new job. It is your JOB to do everything in your power to raise a loving, compassionate, confident and productive member of society.

Too many people think it's their right to pop out some puppies when really it's a privilege and a massive undertaking that should never be taken lightly.

I'm in no way saying I have all the answers when it comes to parenting but at the very, very least parents need to stop raising their kids as per the world they wish it was and wake up to reality and start being honest with them.

I do agree

I raised my daughter the best, and the most honest way that I could, especially when it comes to sexual topics. She's becoming a young adult, and making fine choices right now. Sure, she's made mistakes, and I see that she's learned from them.

The opinions of a mother of a college daughter.

My daughter is in college now with, hopefully, one more year to graduation. I guess you’d call that young adulthood or “almost adulthood,” or not, depending on the financial or emotional crisis du jour. I’m proud of her accomplishment and her character. I feel as though her father and I have done a good job raising her, and believe me, it wasn’t easy. There is so much that affronts young girls today that it’s all a parent can do to stay ahead of the danger curve.

Bullying, self-image issues, eating disorders, and academic pressures, all piled on top of puberty, make raising a young girl difficult. And it’s so important to get it right! In the end, you strive for confidence, a sense of self-worth and ambition, positive self-image and good character. It takes time to reach these goals and all of it—the time—is precious.

So why does Victoria’s Secret want our daughters to skip a decade or so in development? Why are they marketing to young teenagers, really young teenagers, with their latest “Spring Break” ad campaign for the PINK clothing line? The Victoria Secret’s “clothing” includes lace-backed cheeksters with the word “Wild” on the back, a lace-trim thong with “Call me” on the front, and hipsters that read “Feeling Lucky.”

Do you want anyone “feeling lucky” with your 15-year-old?

The parent company that owns Victoria’s Secret is Limited Brands. At their conference in January, CFO Stuart Burgdoerfer confirmed the company’s plans: “When somebody’s 15 or 16 years old, what do they want to be? They want to be older, and they want to be cool like the girl in college, and that’s part of what we do at Pink.”

What I'm getting is that Victoria Secret is advertising to a younger market, and parents of daughters have something to say about it.

Cinny said:

Cuddles said:

I think parents should quit demonizing adolescent sexuality

if they want them to be responsible and mature about sex.

I would agree but I think they object moreso to the commodification of it.

That was completely skeevy. I'm glad they pulled the plug on that add campaign.

morningsong said:

The opinions of a mother of a college daughter.

At their conference in January, CFO Stuart Burgdoerfer confirmed the company’s plans: “When somebody’s 15 or 16 years old, what do they want to be? They want to be older, and they want to be cool like the girl in college, and that’s part of what we do at Pink.”

What I'm getting is that Victoria Secret is advertising to a younger market, and parents of daughters have something to say about it.

Yes, but they should be saying it to their daughters. Not the media. Not Victoria's Secret. Explain to them what Vitoria's Secret is doing, how the media plays a part, and how the decisions they (the daughters) make will reflect on them as human beings and consumers.

Cerebus said:

morningsong said:

The opinions of a mother of a college daughter.

What I'm getting is that Victoria Secret is advertising to a younger market, and parents of daughters have something to say about it.

Yes, but they should be saying it to their daughters. Not the media. Not Victoria's Secret. Explain to them what Vitoria's Secret is doing, how the media plays a part, and how the decisions they (the daughters) make will reflect on them as human beings and consumers.

Why shouldn't they say to a corporation, no you may NOT target my children for your personal profit? I don't get that.

I don't think a parent's job is just to say yes or no to their child, but to also beat the crap out of monsters, too.

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Wait, these panties are aimed at college-aged girls? Meaning 18+?

Girls that age can be in porn legally, let them wear the damn panties. If your daughter is a hoochie that's a shame, she'll give that pussy away on campus anyway, even if she wears slogan-less panties.

ISF said:

Wait, these panties are aimed at college-aged girls? Meaning 18+?

Girls that age can be in porn legally, let them wear the damn panties. If your daughter is a hoochie that's a shame, she'll give that pussy away on campus anyway, even if she wears slogan-less panties.

No not college age.

At their conference in January, CFO Stuart Burgdoerfer confirmed the company’s plans: “When somebody’s 15 or 16 years old, what do they want to be? They want to be older, and they want to be cool like the girl in college, and that’s part of what we do at Pink.”

Perhaps some people believe corporations should target whoever they like and citizens should just keep their mouths shut and keep their opinions in their house.

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morningsong said:

Cerebus said:

Yes, but they should be saying it to their daughters. Not the media. Not Victoria's Secret. Explain to them what Vitoria's Secret is doing, how the media plays a part, and how the decisions they (the daughters) make will reflect on them as human beings and consumers.

Why shouldn't they say to a corporation, no you may NOT target my children for your personal profit? I don't get that.

I don't think a parent's job is just to say yes or no to their child, but to also beat the crap out of monsters, too.

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There's nothing wrong with voicing your concerns. Hey, freedom of speech

morningsong said:

Cerebus said:

Yes, but they should be saying it to their daughters. Not the media. Not Victoria's Secret. Explain to them what Vitoria's Secret is doing, how the media plays a part, and how the decisions they (the daughters) make will reflect on them as human beings and consumers.

Why shouldn't they say to a corporation, no you may NOT target my children for your personal profit? I don't get that.

I don't think a parent's job is just to say yes or no to their child, but to also beat the crap out of monsters, too.

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I see both sides of the argument... then I think about the impressionable young girls who MAY view commercials like that and sometimes logic falls out the window because of their desire to get that type of brand.

Timmy84 said:

morningsong said:

Why shouldn't they say to a corporation, no you may NOT target my children for your personal profit? I don't get that.

I don't think a parent's job is just to say yes or no to their child, but to also beat the crap out of monsters, too.

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I see both sides of the argument... then I think about the impressionable young girls who MAY view commercials like that and sometimes logic falls out the window because of their desire to get that type of brand.

My attitude is you wouldn't send a 10 year old out with a battle axe to fight lions just because you showed them how to use a battle axe, you usually clear the path of lions yourself so your child can move around freely until their strong enough to fight their own battles.

morningsong said:

Timmy84 said:

I see both sides of the argument... then I think about the impressionable young girls who MAY view commercials like that and sometimes logic falls out the window because of their desire to get that type of brand.

My attitude is you wouldn't send a 10 year old out with a battle axe to fight lions just because you showed them how to use a battle axe, you usually clear the path of lions yourself so your child can move around freely until their strong enough to fight their own battles.

I agree. I think that parents standing up to corporations trying to market inappropriate or questionable items to younglings is a good thing. The notion that it somehow means that they're not teaching values in the home is silly. If anything they're leading by example.

Chad Donovan - Wikipedia,...cyclopedia

Porn Star Chad Donovan :

Early life and sexual maturity

Donovan has described himself variously as an "Ohio farm kid" and "a redneck [from] the hills of Ohio...a genuine redneck."^[1] He grew up on a ranch that bred the American Quarter Horse, noting that he "knew how to ride horses before I knew how to walk." In high school he was a member of Future Farmers of America and 4-H.^[1] He traces his early sexual maturity, in part, to working on the farm, noting it was "the best time of my life. Every year you got a different animal to raise...all year long until Fair at the end of the year in July. And you showed your project and then at the end of the year, the whole deal is to sell your project... So that was a big deal and it was a lot of fun. For two weeks we would sleep at the fairgrounds underneath the animals, with snot flying and everything. It was just all of us kids. We had shaving cream fights. And trust me, lots of cocksucking. Lots of cocksucking at the 4-H."^[1]

Donovan was born into a Southern Baptist family and switched to the Pentecostal movement for a period when he determined to become a preacher. His rigid religious background and sexual precocity led to experimentation at an early age. "My first sexual experience was when I was about four or five. And it was with a girl. We were camping and I ate her pussy and fingered her. That was my first sexual experience," he recalled. "My first experience with a guy was about eight, just playing around and fingering buttholes. We probably didn't even get hard." Donovan's large endowment prompted teasing from his classmates as he reached puberty. "Through high school I had a difficult time because I had to change clothes for gym and stuff. I nearly failed gym class because I didn't want to change clothes. I got made fun of. Plus, not to mention, I hit puberty at ten. So all these little boys were bald as a peacock and here I am, full out baby's arm holding an apple."^[1]