Genesia said:

JustErin said:

If the items are not sold in children's or junior sizes (which these are not) they are not for kids. It's that simple.

I was wearing adult sizes when I was 13.

You were total jail bait Genesia!

I think words printed across anyone's ass or crotch, of age or not, is just a bad look.

THAT'S what parents should be teaching: class and style.

Cinny said:

Genesia said:

I was wearing adult sizes when I was 13.

You were total jail bait Genesia!

Not really.

Genesia said:

Cinny said:

You were total jail bait Genesia!

Not really.

I'm sure!

And totally out of nowhere.

They just had on the news this week about the rising number in children especially girls hitting puberty early, as young as 4, which also causes early growth spurts.

Genesia said:

I remember my stepmom HATED this part of the "Turtle Power" video:

"When you stand for what you believe in, and find the strength to do what's right.."

"...THAT's Turtle Power!"

And I got a big lecture about why that was sexist and ruined the message, and today I'm gay.

Cuddles said:

I think parents should quit demonizing adolescent sexuality

if they want them to be responsible and mature about sex.

I would agree but I think they object moreso to the commodification of it.

I'm gonna say the same thing I said about this elsewhere...

Teenage girls can buy lingerie at Wal-Mart, Target, Macy's, Nordstrom's, Hot Topic and every other store on Earth. The issue is not the product, or the marketing, it's lazy, unaware, out of touch parents blaming a store for their failures as parents.

End.

Edit: And! If there isn't lingerie available in their section they can easily buy from another section in a smaller size. They do make petite size adult lingerie.

Just be aware of what your children are buying and wearing. Teach them what is appropriate. Teach them what other people will think of them wearing a certain type. Teach them about ADVERTISING, damn it! That will help them more than anything.

I hate stupid parents.

End: Part Deux.

[Edited 3/27/13 15:38pm]

Cerebus said:

I'm gonna say the same thing I said about this elsewhere...

Teenage girls can buy lingerie at Wal-Mart, Target, Macy's, Nordstrom's, Hot Topic and every other store on Earth. The issue is not the product, or the marketing, it's lazy, unaware, out of touch parents blaming a store for their failures as parents.

End.

"Realization of failure angers parents"

Cinny said:

Cerebus said:

I'm gonna say the same thing I said about this elsewhere...

Teenage girls can buy lingerie at Wal-Mart, Target, Macy's, Nordstrom's, Hot Topic and every other store on Earth. The issue is not the product, or the marketing, it's lazy, unaware, out of touch parents blaming a store for their failures as parents.

End.

"Realization of failure angers parents"

People frustrate Cerebus.

Cerebus said:

I'm gonna say the same thing I said about this elsewhere...

Teenage girls can buy lingerie at Wal-Mart, Target, Macy's, Nordstrom's, Hot Topic and every other store on Earth. The issue is not the product, or the marketing, it's lazy, unaware, out of touch parents blaming a store for their failures as parents.

We don't know that for sure, but Fruit Of The Loom has a poor man's version of the Victoria's Secret Pink line for teens and young adults at certain stores that you've mentioned.

Beautifulstarr123 said:

Cerebus said:

I'm gonna say the same thing I said about this elsewhere...

Teenage girls can buy lingerie at Wal-Mart, Target, Macy's, Nordstrom's, Hot Topic and every other store on Earth. The issue is not the product, or the marketing, it's lazy, unaware, out of touch parents blaming a store for their failures as parents.

We don't know that for sure, but Fruit Of The Loom has a poor man's version of the Victoria's Secret Pink line for teens and young adults at certain stores that you've mentioned.

You don't know what for sure? I don't think you understood what I said at all.... bah....

Cerebus said:

I'm gonna say the same thing I said about this elsewhere...

Teenage girls can buy lingerie at Wal-Mart, Target, Macy's, Nordstrom's, Hot Topic and every other store on Earth. The issue is not the product, or the marketing, it's lazy, unaware, out of touch parents blaming a store for their failures as parents.

End.

Edit: And! If there isn't lingerie available in their section they can easily buy from another section in a smaller size. They do make petite size adult lingerie.

Just be aware of what your children are buying and wearing. Teach them what is appropriate. Teach them what other people will think of them wearing a certain type. Teach them about ADVERTISING, damn it! That will help them more than anything.

I hate stupid parents.

End: Part Deux.

[Edited 3/27/13 15:38pm]

And there you have it.

Cerebus said:

Beautifulstarr123 said:

We don't know that for sure, but Fruit Of The Loom has a poor man's version of the Victoria's Secret Pink line for teens and young adults at certain stores that you've mentioned.

You don't know what for sure? I don't think you understood what I said at all.... bah....

Excuse me, but you cannot blame failure as parents as the sole reason why parents complain, but go ahead and draw your conclusion, based on your opinion, and no facts to support that statement.

Beautifulstarr123 said:

Cerebus said:

You don't know what for sure? I don't think you understood what I said at all.... bah....

Excuse me, but you cannot blame failure as parents as the sole reason why parents complain, but go ahead and draw your conclusion, based on your opinion, and no facts to support that statement.

Parents are dumb, and half the lot are nonconcenting, they have no idea what they sign themselves up for. Parents who are quick to say they wish they had been more smart and wish they had never had children. - this being true, how would they know how to raise a child, let alone about sexuality.

Sexuality - they have themselves barely understand and have never come to a reality about themselves.

Cuddles said:

Beautifulstarr123 said:

Excuse me, but you cannot blame failure as parents as the sole reason why parents complain, but go ahead and draw your conclusion, based on your opinion, and no facts to support that statement.

Parents are dumb, and half the lot are nonconcenting, they have no idea what they sign themselves up for. Parents who are quick to say they wish they had been more smart and wish they had never had children. - this being true, how would they know how to raise a child, let alone about sexuality.

Sexuality - they have themselves barely understand and have never come to a reality about themselves.

You're generalizing. Not all parents are dumb. Have you or anyone else consider that there are well raised children out there, and the parents want to keep it that way. Or that you have parents that have an traditional mindset, and want to keep it that way. Or even religious, like the minister in this article? There are a number of reasons why parents are upset about this. Yes, there are parents out there with unruly children, and felt in some way they have failed them, but you cannot based these complaints solely on bad parenting. We cannot speak for them.

Beautifulstarr123 said:

Cuddles said:

Parents are dumb, and half the lot are nonconcenting, they have no idea what they sign themselves up for. Parents who are quick to say they wish they had been more smart and wish they had never had children. - this being true, how would they know how to raise a child, let alone about sexuality.

Sexuality - they have themselves barely understand and have never come to a reality about themselves.

You're generalizing. Not all parents are dumb. Have you or anyone else consider that there are well raised children out there, and the parents want to keep it that way. Or that you have parents that have an traditional mindset, and want to keep it that way. Or even religious, like the minister in this article? There are a number of reasons why parents are upset about this. Yes, there are parents out there with unruly children, and felt in some way they have failed them, but you cannot based these complaints solely on bad parenting. We cannot speak for them.

If you cannot teach/speak to children reality and the truth, then you create distrust. Period.

Mainstream society is ass backward on too many issues that influence parents that it makes them incapable of raising children.

Cuddles said:

Beautifulstarr123 said:

You're generalizing. Not all parents are dumb. Have you or anyone else consider that there are well raised children out there, and the parents want to keep it that way. Or that you have parents that have an traditional mindset, and want to keep it that way. Or even religious, like the minister in this article? There are a number of reasons why parents are upset about this. Yes, there are parents out there with unruly children, and felt in some way they have failed them, but you cannot based these complaints solely on bad parenting. We cannot speak for them.

If you cannot teach/speak to children reality and the truth, then you create distrust. Period.

Mainstream society is ass backward on too many issues that influence parents that it makes them incapable of raising children.

Certain parents, of course.

It doesn't matter if the line has sizes that would actually fit a minor. It's still adult sizes that is marketed to adults.

If you don't want your 13 year old wearing underwear that says "call me" take some responsibility in parenting and stop trying to place blame on companies that are not even marketing to your kid.

I agree with Cuddles' comment about the demonizing of adolescent sexuality or adolescent anything really.

I'm also curious what "traditional mindset" parenting means. Suppressing natural curiosity and biological urges? Or explaining what those feelings are all about? Ignoring the ever changing world that is around your child? Or actually taking the time to explain the things they see and hear - even if it is a bit uncomfortable for you to talk about?

My 7 year old son sees the good, the bad and the ugly of this world whether I want him to see it or not...and it's my job as a parent to take the time to explain what it all means, not to put some childish spin on it or sugar coat it, but to tell him the truth.

Like I said, it's another distraction. People want something to complain because it makes them feel better. This surely ain't gonna make Victoria's Secret change their approach. So these parents are crying much ado about nothing.

JustErin said:

It doesn't matter if the line has sizes that would actually fit a minor. It's still adult sizes that is marketed to adults.

If you don't want your 13 year old wearing underwear that says "call me" take some responsibility in parenting and stop trying to place blame on companies that are not even marketing to your kid.

I agree with Cuddles' comment about the demonizing of adolescent sexuality or adolescent anything really.

I'm also curious what "traditional mindset" parenting means. Suppressing natural curiosity and biological urges? Or explaining what those feelings are all about? Ignoring the ever changing world that is around your child? Or actually taking the time to explain the things they see and hear - even if it is a bit uncomfortable for you to talk about?

My 7 year old son sees the good, the bad and the ugly of this world whether I want him to see it or not...and it's my job as a parent to take the time to explain what it all means, not to put some childish spin on it or sugar coat it, but to tell him the truth.

yup

as parents of boys though,

ZombieKitten said:

JustErin said:

It doesn't matter if the line has sizes that would actually fit a minor. It's still adult sizes that is marketed to adults.

If you don't want your 13 year old wearing underwear that says "call me" take some responsibility in parenting and stop trying to place blame on companies that are not even marketing to your kid.

I agree with Cuddles' comment about the demonizing of adolescent sexuality or adolescent anything really.

I'm also curious what "traditional mindset" parenting means. Suppressing natural curiosity and biological urges? Or explaining what those feelings are all about? Ignoring the ever changing world that is around your child? Or actually taking the time to explain the things they see and hear - even if it is a bit uncomfortable for you to talk about?

My 7 year old son sees the good, the bad and the ugly of this world whether I want him to see it or not...and it's my job as a parent to take the time to explain what it all means, not to put some childish spin on it or sugar coat it, but to tell him the truth.

yup

as parents of boys though,

Well, yes. This is true. I can't really speak for what it's like to have a daughter but I know what it's like to be a young girl so I can't see me parenting a girl any differently.

JustErin said:

ZombieKitten said:

yup

as parents of boys though,

Well, yes. This is true. I can't really speak for what it's like to have a daughter but I know what it's like to be a young girl so I can't see me parenting a girl any differently.

I was too much of a tomboy as a little girl, if I had to parent a little princess who talked all the time I would be like

JustErin said:

It doesn't matter if the line has sizes that would actually fit a minor. It's still adult sizes that is marketed to adults.

If you don't want your 13 year old wearing underwear that says "call me" take some responsibility in parenting and stop trying to place blame on companies that are not even marketing to your kid.

I agree with Cuddles' comment about the demonizing of adolescent sexuality or adolescent anything really.

I'm also curious what "traditional mindset" parenting means. Suppressing natural curiosity and biological urges? Or explaining what those feelings are all about? Ignoring the ever changing world that is around your child? Or actually taking the time to explain the things they see and hear - even if it is a bit uncomfortable for you to talk about?

My 7 year old son sees the good, the bad and the ugly of this world whether I want him to see it or not...and it's my job as a parent to take the time to explain what it all means, not to put some childish spin on it or sugar coat it, but to tell him the truth.

Children are going to see the good, bad, and the ugly of this world, and it's a parent's responsibility to teach them. At the end of the day, they're going to make their choices, as they grow. Believe it or not, I understood it.

However, that wasn't my sole point. My point is there are various reasons why parents are complaining, and you cannot single out one reason as to say bad parenting. Or maybe this article was written to create a rise and a reaction? I

What I mean about traditional mindset, I meant underwear weren't as sexually suggestive as it is now. Most of them left something to the imagination, but now as Cuddles' metioned, and you've agreed on, compaines and even mainstream media today has demonized the sexuality of young girls, leaving nothing to the imagination. Believe it or not, I do agree with this as well.

This is all I am saying.

[Edited 3/28/13 8:38am]

Beautifulstarr123 said:

JustErin said:

It doesn't matter if the line has sizes that would actually fit a minor. It's still adult sizes that is marketed to adults.

If you don't want your 13 year old wearing underwear that says "call me" take some responsibility in parenting and stop trying to place blame on companies that are not even marketing to your kid.

I agree with Cuddles' comment about the demonizing of adolescent sexuality or adolescent anything really.

I'm also curious what "traditional mindset" parenting means. Suppressing natural curiosity and biological urges? Or explaining what those feelings are all about? Ignoring the ever changing world that is around your child? Or actually taking the time to explain the things they see and hear - even if it is a bit uncomfortable for you to talk about?

My 7 year old son sees the good, the bad and the ugly of this world whether I want him to see it or not...and it's my job as a parent to take the time to explain what it all means, not to put some childish spin on it or sugar coat it, but to tell him the truth.

Children are going to see the good, bad, and the ugly of this world, and it's a parent's responsibility to teach them. At the end of the day, they're going to make their choices, as they grow. Believe it or not, I understood it.

However, that wasn't my sole point. My point is there are various reasons why parents are complaining, and you cannot single out one reason as to say bad parenting. Or maybe this article was written to create a rise and a reaction? I don't know.

What I mean about traditional mindset, I mean as tweens, teens or even women of the past, underwear weren't as sexually suggestive as it is now. Most of them left something to the imagination, but now as Cuddles' metioned, and you've agreed on, compaines and even mainstream media has demonized the sexuality of young girls, leaving nothing to the imagination. Believe it or not, I do agree with this as well.

This is all I am saying.

Well, I dunno about Cuddles, but that's not what I meant at all. It wasn't about the media, it was about parent's delusional ideals about sex and teenage sexuality.

JustErin said:

Beautifulstarr123 said:

Children are going to see the good, bad, and the ugly of this world, and it's a parent's responsibility to teach them. At the end of the day, they're going to make their choices, as they grow. Believe it or not, I understood it.

However, that wasn't my sole point. My point is there are various reasons why parents are complaining, and you cannot single out one reason as to say bad parenting. Or maybe this article was written to create a rise and a reaction? I don't know.

What I mean about traditional mindset, I mean as tweens, teens or even women of the past, underwear weren't as sexually suggestive as it is now. Most of them left something to the imagination, but now as Cuddles' metioned, and you've agreed on, compaines and even mainstream media has demonized the sexuality of young girls, leaving nothing to the imagination. Believe it or not, I do agree with this as well.

This is all I am saying.

Well, I dunno about Cuddles, but that's not what I meant at all. It wasn't about the media, it was about parent's delusional ideals about sex and teenage sexuality.

you and I are on the same page

JustErin said:

Beautifulstarr123 said:

Children are going to see the good, bad, and the ugly of this world, and it's a parent's responsibility to teach them. At the end of the day, they're going to make their choices, as they grow. Believe it or not, I understood it.

However, that wasn't my sole point. My point is there are various reasons why parents are complaining, and you cannot single out one reason as to say bad parenting. Or maybe this article was written to create a rise and a reaction? I don't know.

What I mean about traditional mindset, I mean as tweens, teens or even women of the past, underwear weren't as sexually suggestive as it is now. Most of them left something to the imagination, but now as Cuddles' metioned, and you've agreed on, compaines and even mainstream media has demonized the sexuality of young girls, leaving nothing to the imagination. Believe it or not, I do agree with this as well.

This is all I am saying.

Well, I dunno about Cuddles, but that's not what I meant at all. It wasn't about the media, it was about parent's delusional ideals about sex and teenage sexuality.

Ok, granted, and the media does play an hand in this as well, though your focus was mainly on the parents.

Beautifulstarr123 said:

JustErin said:

Well, I dunno about Cuddles, but that's not what I meant at all. It wasn't about the media, it was about parent's delusional ideals about sex and teenage sexuality.

Ok, granted, and the media does play an hand in this as well, though your focus was mainly on the parents.

At the end of the day the minute you decide to become a parent you have literally accepted a new job. It is your JOB to do everything in your power to raise a loving, compassionate, confident and productive member of society.

Too many people think it's their right to pop out some puppies when really it's a privilege and a massive undertaking that should never be taken lightly.

I'm in no way saying I have all the answers when it comes to parenting but at the very, very least parents need to stop raising their kids as per the world they wish it was and wake up to reality and start being honest with them.

No one else had a reaction to the Turtle Power panties, I see.